Food shortages and hunger have not been about the availability since food production became industrialized, we have more than enough food to feed everyone on Earth. It's about the distribution infrastructure that doesn't exist and the lack of capital incentive to make it feasible. There simply aren't enough people who can afford to give away their time, labor, and equipment to distribute the food.
On the other hand, farmers and governments fought really hard to not have the crisis lead to a potential benefit for consumers. Tax payers subsidized farmers everywhere with billions and billions, but god forbid the retail price falls even for a short while for a little bit because of oversupply. Nope, better just f*cking destroy all the produce. Rarely anything got cheaper during Covid, even though it easily could have. Instead I heard "due to Covid..." as an excuse for rising prices and falling standards. Socialize the losses and privatize the gains.
The idea that we produce enough food to end world hunger ignores that some of what we produce is feed for livestock, and if I'm not mistaken doesn't consider issues of nutrition.
nah bro just freeze it 5head, just give it away 5head hahahhaha i swear people just need to understand there are much much more complicated reasons for things than your attempt at good will allows for. People have no concept of logistics.
@@obolisk0430 we can double our food production if we wanted to. The problem is unwillingness from the global north to allow developing countries to produce their own food.
For those wondering why the farmers would rather just destroy their crops instead of saving or delivering it: -They would need to spend a lot of money to obtain more facilities for storage purposes -Some crops would require devices to maintain their healthy status for storage, resulting in even more money -They would need to find a location that would want to buy their produce -They would need to spend more income on additional assistance to deliver more produce if they manage to find a buyer -They would need to hope that the amount of income they generate from other locations would be enough to cover all of the increased costs and then obtain more money so they actually generate some form of income TL;DR: Its significantly less expensive to simply dump it all instead of having to set up an entirely different farming style
@@zecharl-1348 Yeah, and if you give it away, no one gonna buy what you are selling. It's a lot more logical to recycle the food into compost. Our brains are wired "food keep, food collect", that's why we hate seeing it.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Unironically this is the same major problem people don't think about with the whole "just give it all to Africa" argument. Even if we could, just dumping food into any country in Africa, hell, on the planet, would help in the short term, but would absolutely crash their market. Why buy from your local farmer when you already have what you need. Why farm if no one is gonna buy your crops at a price that would atleast even allow you to break even?
I live in Australia, and I remember seeing a jewellery store with a sign out the front, just before the lockdowns, that said "One toilet roll, $19,999 (comes with free gold ring)". Thought it was hilarious.
In other words, it is literally impossible for them to give this stuff away for free. They would literally need to pay a fortune to get rid of it. The only real option is to just dump it and move on.
yup, you have to sell it for less than it costs to grow it, and then you have to pay even more to ship it. OR, it's all stuff that has a short shelf life and was just going to rot anyway. Too much supply with a time limit, and nowhere near enough demand to take it all.
Kind of like how the price of oil went negative for a minute there. Futures contracts are all fun and games until you realize eventually "future" becomes "now" and the oil needs to be stored somewhere...
I work as a volunteer in a distribution center for poor people. Even before COVID, we always had farms that were willing to give us their produce, but during COVID even if they wanted to give us more we could not take it, as we had neither storage nor people to give those supplies to. Imagine having a big bottle of water, which is the amount of food you produce, a small cup, as our distribution center, and a big jug, which are restaurants, food stores etc.. . Even if the jug breaks, the cup is not going to change size and you are going to have water that you don't want in the bottle. As others mentioned, kindness can be expensive, but that is not the main issue here. There were plenty of farmers that did not want their hard work thrown away, but we and other organizations couldn't take all those supplies (we ourselves had to give some excess to family and friends so it didn't go to waste)
As others have said about farmers destroying their produce instead of feeding the hungry: It's less about the farmers being greedy as it is the problem with logistics. If a system exist where they can donate all that food to people that need it in a seamless manner, they would have done it. But there isn't one. You need to think about where to store all that produce, the electricity to refrigerate all of it, the manpower required to transport and distribute them, the fleets of trucks/ships/planes that will carry them, etc,... You simply can't expect the farmers to handle all that when they have their own work to do. A lot of time people look at the problem and say "why not ship food over there?" but it is easier said than done.
That's basically what they're doing under normal conditions. Like that's what supermarkets and other buyers are for. Basically they make the food, and WalMart goes "Yeah we'll buy it, we've got lots of big trucks and what not, we'll pay for it." And then the farmers load up the trucks or the train or whatever, and they get paid, WalMart gets its tomatoes, people buy the tomatoes. The last part is the important one, people BUY the tomatoes. So that's why WalMart can buy the tomatoes, they make the money they spent on transporting the food BACK. If they just give it away for free, they just spent a LOT of money and made NONE in return. It's impossible to run a business like that, because that's not a business, it's a charity. A very expensive one as well. If they're not gonna make any money off this food anyway, and some charity comes along and says "We'll take it off your hands, no cost." They'd have been happy to do it. So long as they're not losing money (Or in this case, MORE money) Farmers don't give a shit where the produce goes. If some billionaire bought a million gallons of milk in order to try and fill up the grand canyon, the farmer's gonna look at him like he's batshit, but he'll still give him the milk. This is where hunger comes from. There's plenty of food, it's just all in the one spot and shipping it across the COUNTRY, let alone the whole world, costs a lot of money, and nobody can afford to do that over and over for free.
@@haku8135 that and also the thing about the "capitalism" argument drives me insane. people think if we didn't have capitalism and had some other system that this wouldn't happen... wrong... resources don't just spawn out of no where. you can't suddenly change up your whole system of shipments, storage, manpower and more over night... its just not physically possible... nothing to do with the system. one small example would be how refrigeration storage buildings cost millions (because of all the resources and manpower) to build, and generally take 2 - 3 years to build even if they go all in on building it. if in some other world with a different system tried to do what they suggested... the storage for that wasted food would just be starting to be finished NOW... long after there isn't a use for them. so the manpower and resources used to build those useless buildings went to waste, and all the food still went to waste... arguably a worse situation for that hypothetical world... and if someone were to think, "well now we have them for next time" well next time could be in a hundred years or even never, and maintaining a useless building (or many) so it remains "ready" takes a lot of resources, resources better spent other places.
Farmers giving away their crops for free marketing would be a terrible decision. It would be crazy expensive to store, transport, and distribute their unwanted crops.
Plus the fact that in some places, they can be prosecuted if someone get even mildly sick by the given food, there was a similiar situation involving Mc Donalds a time ago irrc.
@Bruno-qj5xu I thought about that too, but I think that applies more to eatery businesses. The crops they would be giving away would be more like fresh produce rather than "expired" or "end of sale" food.
@@reduwu7602 Not that fresh due to transport, etc... also it can still make ppl sick and the law apply to both civilians and businesses, some people are just evil and they would abuse this law to the limit for money
yeah also, how would marketing help farmers? they usually have deals with big companies that buy their food to sell in stores. with a lot of that gone, who would they be marketing to? a lot of people throw around the word marketing when it has no real tangible value. marketing has to lead to direct profit, otherwise it means less than nothing.
"why people refuse the give aways?" food is periciable, and is also quite fast at it. So you cant just give for free you have to process it what cost money as well. Then in order to give it away you have to build operation (local to give it away, third parties that would distrubt the food for other people) what costs time that already was estabelished that food doesnt have much of it before it spoils. Finally if some one eat and get sick, you can be found liable for uncenitizend food distribuiton and get sue. TLDR: Its never that simple.
Ah yes, hollywood writing, pandering to everyone. Person might be smart, but most aren't. To be fair, most human apes could barely be called a person. They're more akin to 905 from the song by The Who. So in that sense, the saying actually fits. The more towards an extreme of any political, religious or other world view shaping tribal doctrine they lean, the less brains and/or experience they have.
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For the food destruction part: here they literally give away so much, but they couldnt go to give to people, they made adds to collect but the goverment said "nuh huh" so the farmers needed to at least us it as compost in their own farm or risk all going bad and not serving anything
22:30 When he says processing, that includes freezing it. The farmers do not have freezers on site. Most goods would need to be processed anyway. Potatoes would have to be cut to shape, wheat would have to be made into bread, some vegetables would need to be cut to form. Even then, there's plenty that can't be frozen. Meat, milk, vegetables that are supposed to be fresh. And even then, how much space would that take up? For how long? How much more would it cost to hold that in stasis, rather than growing fresh ones and hoping the panic dies by the time that's done?
Okay, about the shower thing. I know it's fairly common in Europe to have a hand held shower head you can move around and I'm not sure about Australia but in America our shower heads like 95% of the time are fixed stationary ones and bidets aren't super common either.
25:27 logistics problems, Not enough workers for that. Plus these are colossal amounts of produce, you would need to build fridges the size of entire apartments just to house all that. Then consider moving all that crap in an organized and timely manner. That is already a nightmare before the pandemic, during it would be just insanity.
23:04 storage. Storage takes up space and costs money and supermarkets only have so much storage space. Remember that cheese video. Giving it away for free isn't an option, because that will destroy the value of the stock. It would also be a punch to the stock market. Remember, if 2020 taught us 1 thing. Supply lines. Everything is connected.
The farmers can't give away their crops even if they wanted to. There's a strict ban on movement and a severely limited workforce. The expense would be immense since most of these farms operate on an industrial scale.
Even giving it away would be at a high cost... you need to deliver it to a non customer or even anyone with less working force on your side. You can not froze that amount of things anywhere btw.
I'm from a very small town in the United States. A town that feels completely separate from the rest of the world. Nothing that happens ever affects this town. But even there, we ran out of toilet paper. I had about a week of using paper towels and bagging them up afterwards since you can't flush it.
Not enough space to freeze and giving it away would incur more costs for the farmer. Workers regulations, etc. Farmers are not charity. Farmers dont have freezers, and any freezer of sufficient size would cost millions. Joust imagine the logistic nightmare If each of them somehow found the 1000 or so freezers they need for one cropcycle. Giving it away is not easy. it's food and has regulations. You would also neeed many locations to give it away as one field of anything is to much for the local comunity. Not to mention the missing freezers which mean that it would go bad fast. Not to mention that fucking no one would come. Sure they are giving away free onions but the not the other things i need. The extra distance i would have to drive for that 1kg of onions i need would be more expensive in fuel than joust buying it in the store. They are not "joust" focusing on money. Both above mentioned options would ruin them financially within weeks if persued in any meaningfully capacity.
23:58 Why? He explained it. No one was going to buy it. It was going to spoil. It's already been made, it has to be removed to make room for fresh. This is what happens when you declare most of the workforce "non essential." The previous supply does not meet the current demand.
3:05 demonetization was definitely a thing when mentioning covid verbally or in text form (maybe it still is IDK). If i recall correctly the idea was stop the flow if misinformation in the hands of conspiracy theorists and other bad actors by removing any monetary incentive of doing so. "you may have millions of people listening to you talk about gay frog water, but don't think you'll make any money from the platform by insinuating covid is a hoax". Ironically I find there's also the opposite effect, where now there's a significant lack of information regarding the everyday lives of the people living in it. Because if people do mention it, suddenly they wont get paid. Paws Asking "is that why it's called "TheVarus"" is an example of what i'm talking about. A bunch of people were saying they caught "ligma" or "the big C" back in the day. That was fine at the time, because we knew what they were talking about, but 10 years from now you'll have people looking back and wondering "what's with all the ligma?" not knowing it was because of an actual pandemic.
I am sure the farmers reached out to everyone they knew and gave away all the food they could, but you have to consider where food is grown compared to the population centers, people in New York aren’t going to drive 18 hours to Iowa for free food. Even if all the non-farmers here in Iowa were to take all the food we could fit in our vehicles there would still be millions of tons that would be left there aren’t enough freezers in the world to store it.
24:40 No, not cost effective. The packaging plants would not take it. The stores would not take it. The product has a very fast expiration date, they can't just hold it. If the economy picked up the next week and they held it, every milk jug would have a one week expiration date. Very few people would buy that. And that's a quick turn around, this was the state of things for *months*.
You can give only small amount of food for free. Cause if you want to give all that food, you need to deliver it. And this is out of question, cause you already lost millions and delivery would only increase your loses. So if someone wants free food, they need to go to the farm. The problem is people who can drive to farm mostly can afford food and people who really in need can't afford road to farm. It is really sad situation.
Just have the consumers pick them up themselves... Set up a shop right next to the production and sell the goods for half the retail price for anyone who comes. Sure, they still wouldn't be able to sell everything, but it's better than destroying it all. Same with retailers. At least let the price fall a bit, since consumers are subsidizing your greed with billions and billions of tax payer money. But no, there is less profit to made this way, why should they?
@@peffiSC2source I don't wanna start typing an essay in a yt comment explaining how the food production economic model was completely taken by surprise by the virus. And also, you seem pretty deadset on your view that "farmers = greedy evil food hoarders", so changing your mind is probably impossible. I'm sure there are plenty of videos out there that go in full detail as to _why_ so much food was dumped during the pandemic, if you're _actually_ interested.
@@frenchynoob Let me get this straight. You don't want to get into an argument, yet waste both of our time with your empty comments that only exist to boost your own ego and boil down to nebulous hypotheses and calls for me to "do my own research". Wow, thanks for nothing, Friedman. I'll extend an olive branch to you though. Arguments I would have made relate to the volume of subsidies in the U.S. and EU for farmers, the profit margins for various products in year by year comparisons, especially dairy, and total profits during the pandemic years. I am of course not talking about some family farms with like four cows and a potato field, who donated their surplus to the local food shelter during those years. I am talking about the mega-agri-corporations that actually feed the world and had some banging years. You'll quickly find that "farmers = greedy" in that context is a pretty reasonable conclusion if you look deeper into it and if you're *actually* interested.
I feel like this two part series is the best content Internet Historian has ever made, although our clown world did help a lot with making things content.
I used to work at a janitorial supply place that delivered orders of toilet paper to places like factories Walmart big businesses etc. And so I bought a big industrial pack for our home and we were set for awhile, no fighting in the stores or whatever.
They cant just give away and its not about money. Let's say I make 100 gallons of milk a day and come to your house and give you 5 gallons. You won't be able to consume all of it in one day, but tomorrow, I will be knocking on your door with 5 more, and that will continue EVERY DAY, FOR MONTHS. You won't be able to store or freeze all of it. To be able to send it to other people I would need to transport it with a truck, and that truck needs gas. I would have to drive to deliver the milk to people FOR FREE every day, for months. I am working for free while paying for the transpor, the maintenance of the farm, and my own bills. And we are only talking about milk, and a very small amount of that. If we start adding other products you will start seeing how you would run out of space, people, workforce and money really fast. Because people are not gonna start consuming more. And we are only talking about 1 small farm. These are not farmers that produce for themselves, they supply the market. They deliver many trucks full of products EVERY DAY. So when the market can't take all of that, they will give away what they can, consume what they can, preserve what they can, and would still be stuck with mountains of products with nowhere to go, and when tomorrow comes, the products they stored yesterday won't disappear to store new ones. So all its left to do it to throw everything away.
Also if its raw untreated milk, it will spoil really quickly, the last thing u want is to get a law suit for causing a town to have explosive diarrhea in a middle of toilet paper shortage
22:55 Freezing and storing crop costs a lot. 24:18 costs of transporting milk to “give it away” would not make financial sense… anything dealing with excess wastes of food in the world can be explained by storage and transportation costs. 25:10 it’s all just money, the food was made for money, transported for money, store for money, and the transporting of of goods only to give it away doesn’t create good will because most of society doesn’t acknowledge the true source of their food. The farmers already lost the money since they wouldn’t be paid for their crops from distributors. If the farmers spent money to freely give it to the distributors and the distributors gave it to the public for free then only the distributors would gain the goodwill. You have effectively double punished the farmer on costs with no benefit.
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Freezing it where? In a conveniently empty self tempered store house in the middle of nowhere? Maam, i know the pain it causes, but there was literally no other option, many of this places where farmers without that much money now because of the freezing economy. Not to mention that freezing things like lettuce is detrimental as the things burns
If farmers gave away food fewer people would be buying from stores, meaning the stores also run at a loss and have to shut down. If one part of the chain decides to cut out the parts after them in the chain the whole system would collapse.
24:15 the thing about giving away is: costs even if you give it away to the nearest city's orphanage or whatever, it still won't come close to use all the thousands of liters of milk or metric tonnes of food if you go ahead and give it away to charity that goes to the needy in other cities/states/countries, well that needs to be transported far away, costing money, money that will put you further into the negative if you try to store it, well milk would spoil and can't be frozen, potatoes would require to be processed first, tomatoes and lettuce/cabbage would be inedible if frozen, and even then it would require storage, which costs money, a frozen storage even more in form of energy and infrastructure
As a free tidbit, Australia comes up kinda often in IH videos, that's because he lives there. I believe he is from New Zeland, but has lived for so long in Australia now we might as well just consider him Australian.
I love how our politicians dealt with the panic... Instead of trying to use big politic words, they went on national television in a press conference and said: "You don't need all that toilet paper. Getting sick might give you a runny nose, not a runny ass!".
My understanding of the toilet paper thing is when people are in situations when they have no control, like a global pandemic, people grasp at small things that they can control, like having enough toilet paper, and when they can't control that, they panic even more
Problem with donating is they need people willing and ABLE to take it at a reduced workload. Sure plenty would take it but they may not have the ability to store it. And if people get sick for improper storage they'd be liable. Result is destroy it.
I'm work at retail at somepoint and yeah they hate giving away product because people will stop buying the product and wait for the product closer to expire and they will giving away
One of the major reasons that it could not just "be given away" is that thanks to "food safety" laws it's illegal to just give away food if it has an expiry date in a lot of places.
I feel like another reason why they couldn’t give away the food is that it’s illegal in some cities or states to give food to homeless people. I might be wrong though.
It's also that they could get sued if any of them got sick from it. Disney used to give away their old food to the homeless, but some homeless people claimed they got food poisoning from it and sued Disney so they just threw it away.
25:33 and who exactly is going to freeze all that produce? There is no company out there where they would or could take an entire markets worth of produce and freeze it most of which would still need to be thrown out because freezing foods doesn't last forever. Even then you have to look at the cost of maintaining said frozen food and transporting all of it every cycle with no returns which would mean they are all going to lose so much money that they would be forced to shut down their farms in turn destroying the entire industry and seeing more people starving in the end. It's a shame that they had to terminate all that produce but in the end they had to do it. Even then there is no actual benefit in terms of marketing value because farms don't sell their produce directly from said farm or to a personally owned business, for the most part they sell exclusively to the major grocery store chains who transport everything to their stores. So farms don't really have the infostructure to transport things themselves and they aren't a business that gains anything from marketing. The reason why all the produce was being tossed is because people simply weren't buying enough food to justify to grocery store chains to purchase more produce from farms. So with no one capable of paying for that produce or even capable of transporting it they had to terminate all of it.
26:00 this is little bit complicated, first most farmer live mile away from city you need to pay for moving the products, and because of virus™ no-one can checking bad/good products (this shit can be lawsuit because some randome guy get sick consuming free stuff) and most farmer don't have enough place to store the product that they make everyday like dairy,egg and maybe there another 2-3 point that i don't know
FYI on the farmers. Here in California, the government puts alot of farmers in a position where they have to destroy the extra just so they can get by to the next year.
I’m assuming they couldn’t give it away because the world was in lock down, like I’m sure they could give it to the homeless within the states but not say the starving children in Africa
When you said "we all have working showers and water", that was my exact reaction! In some countries' homes like mine, we have a hose spray that you can use to wash yourself after. In the absence of that, even the shower works, along with liquid soap to properly cleanse. You just need to undress, and have a towel to dry up. The fact that people are adamant to use ANY water and have this doomsday mentality about toilet paper puzzles me.
It didn't need to be free. Besides everyone was paying for it through Covid subsidies. US farmers got 19 billion in tax payer money. So they were desotrying food that was indirectly paid for already.
Fun fact: the fish tank cleaner was actually just a woman who murdered her husband with it and tried to get away with it by saying she heard Trump tell her to do it as a cure so she did it because she trusted him, except the police can use facebook and noticed that she was an avid Hillary Clinton supporter who hated Trump. As for the crops being destroyed issue, they couldn't just give it away because of regulations that require them to process the food first. Kind of like how restaurants can get in trouble for giving away leftovers at the end of the day. They didn't just give it away because they LEGALLY couldn't give it away due to regulations.
28:36 For those that dont know, the content creator known as "Twomad" recently passed away from an apparent OD on ketamine. After his rocket rise to fame, he slowly, then quickly, fell from grace. A tragedy to say the least.
See, you're applying your own situation to the entire world with your argument. The average person poops once a day. On top of that, there are inventions like the BIDET which allow you to easily "shower" just that area. It might not be a practical solution for you, but it is a thing many of us do.
My stores had no toilet paper for 2 months. Luckily I had plenty as I buy 3 12-packs and it lasts me a year before I need to buy more. 2020 was a crazy ass year and I'm glad to have seen it go down. 50 years from now, they'll rewrite history to change what happened or leave out details.
To all those comments about the Farmers throwing away their produce. There is one thing that is often forgotten. Depending on your country, you not only need all that extra money to store, deliver, etc. these goods. Giving it away for free does not excempt you from taxes. Throwing it away does. This is the case here in Germany, for example. If you give it away for free, you'd still have to pay taxes as if you normally sold it. You'd have to donate it to specific places to avoid that. There is this misconception that these Producers have enough savings or other ways to get money to survive such a thing. That is simply not the case for most of them. Being "nice" and giving it away would literally kill their business, so the free marketing wouldn't help them much. Just look at Nursing as a whole, they were championed early on in the pandemic, but nothing ultimately changed for them in terms of working conditions, pay etc. You can't feed your kids with good marketing.
A farmers margins are so slim that any loss could be devastating and send them under. the facilities required to; move, store, maintain, and distribute all this extra produce not for market would be so astronomical that they would almost be immediately bankrupt
Lmao, as someone who almost never used toilet paper since I used water and soap with my left hand instead, knowing the fact people fighting to dead for toilet papers is hillarious😂
Awesome work Paws! I remember walking into stores and TP was just gone, 2021 was unique. Napkins, Paper towels, and tissues were still there it was just TP here. Hot pockets too, singles were just gone the whole year, bulk only had two kinds.🤔 On another note The Fat Electrician single ply toilet paper rant video is funnier than it should be, this videos hilarity just makes me think of it. This video is great, it's a great reaction.
19:35 As someone who caught covid its one the worst experience I have ever dealt with the constant coughing to the point it started to hurt my chest. So please be careful y'all and stay safe out there.
Oh man... it was fun experiencing all of this while working in a grocery store through the pandemic. Being exposed to sick people on the regular, testing a few times because coworkers came in sick... getting a few $100 gift cards *to the store we worked in* as "hazard pay," only to find out we were mandated to accept the cards, and that they were entered into our W-2 as "untaxed income," so we inevitably had to pay taxes on the cards...
The farmers couldn't give away food because that would screw over their business partners, the grocery stores. If people are getting a bunch of food for free, they're not going to be buying it.
The Great Toilet Paper shortage of 2020, those were some fun times, reminds me of a fight in a Sainsbury's where two women were fighting over a single toilet roll, my dad and I were trying not to laugh because it looked like two walrus fighting over crack cocaine. But at the same time it's sad because the vast majority of people will believe anything if told by Lame Stream Media.
The farmer's weren't given a choice about throwing away the extra food. The government didn't let them sell it at a lower cost. Even though selling it at a lower cost would inevitably lowered prices for consumers.
To say they had no choice is ridiculous. They got billions and billions in subsidies but couldn't figure out a way to give more of their excess produce away below potential peak profit? I bet if dairy farms made a Facebook post saying "Bring your own milk canister and we will fill it up for you for half the retail price", there would be cars lined up halfway across the state. Tax payers funded farmers with billions in subsidies, just for them to destroy their crop, because they didn't want the retail price to fall even a single percent. Food could have been much cheaper during Covid. It wasn't. Because there was profit to be made in crisis. I will never forgive that greed.
It's not that the government didn't allow sales it's that there's a whole set of labeling and packaging regulations for consumer safety that are completely different from commercial regulations, the companies would have had to reprocess and repackage everything at great cost.
@@Zulooth1 The way you wrote it implied that the government would not allow the sales in this specific situation because it would help people. You were trying to paint long established food regulation being lawfully enforced as a deliberate decision to hurt people, I simply clarified your negative spin. These regulations can't just be turned on and off when they feel like it, the entire industry is built around them.
I love post apocalyptic games/movies, they are always dingy and serious with alot of dread and despair. But living through 2020s in Australia made me realise that an apocalypse would be far more funny and pathetic then what is portrayed.
acest om este grozav. Partea mamei mele a familiei este poloneză/maghiară, iar partea tatălui meu este italiană. Și Italia a avut o lipsă similară. Între timp, locuiesc în Australia și pot confirma 100% că acest lucru a fost un lucru timp de aproape 8-9 luni. Oamenilor le place pur și simplu să intre în panică
Ah I remembered getting yelled at by customers when the lockdown was starting One woman ordered a salad and came back an hour later because we forgot the utensils as they were having a picnic at the beach - she didn’t ask if she wanted any when we gave the order to her And we ran out of utensils anyway so we couldn’t give her any
yeah.. the zoom part was pretty cringe.. and Twomad didnt not help at all.. :D but rest of the video was so funny and also my god insane.. :D and the next part is even more insane.. like your jaw will drop guaranteed^^ im from EU and i dont remember any of these issues sure the distancing and not going outside etc but we had no issue with toilet paper etc.. also wow great to hear you havent had covid.. i had it twice.. :D it was not good but it wasnt that bad to me to visit hospital or anything :)
"you could have given it away" -- yeah... you'd think it'd be that easy, but government food and safety (in EU and USA at least) says no to that.... you are not allowed to give it away... you'd be criminally charged, giving it away for free.... so yeah... i bet you farmers didn't like throwing all that stuff but what should they have done? they aren't allowed to give it away for free and even if they were, they are already hemorrhaging money and can barely keep their businesses afloat during that time and many actually went bankrupt during covid. so even if they were allowed to give it away for free they aren't able to pay for that. and freezing everything is also no solution.... where are you going to store 3.7 billion gallons of frozen milk? and next day there'll be 7.4 billion gallons of frozen milk.... lockdowns went on for months.... where do you store all that? and when lockdown ends, what do you do with all that frozen milk, whenever people are not gonna start using more than 3.7 billion gallons of milk daily? and the cows dont stop producing milk.... so you suddenly have 1000x of what people are able to eat/drink and it rots anyway..... it sucks that all that food was wasted, but there is literally nothing (even with endless money and endless storage space and even without taking the fact, that the produce starts rotting, into account) that could have been done... have elon musk, bill gates and jeff bezoz pay to have all that shipped to africa and distributed to poor people? there are not enough ships and planes and trucks in the world to move all that stuff efficiently before it rots.... its sad but nothing could have been done there...
To clarify: the farmers could theoretically give it away for free, but they need to label and package everything and all that jazz so food and drugs administration doesnt come down on them with the book of law. packaging, labeling, etc. is usually not handled by the farmers but the distributor. on a small scale farmers can and actually do all that themselves (like small mom and pop farms with a little farm store where you can buy stuff straight from them), but big industrialized farms dont handle that themselves and dont have the facilities and equipment to do that. and without proper labeling, packaging and all that jazz, you cant give it away. here in germany its even stricter than in the u.s.
4:35 Wait? Paws, are you suggesting people use logic and reason to come to a logical conclusion on what can do? That we could have used normal reusable towels and clean them afterwards? Not happening. Not on this earth.
Always remember: that Overwatch 2 is so bad that TwoMad overdosed himself in process kiIIinq himself because you can't play that game if you are high like a kite
The farmers can not afford to transport it to give it away and are always screwed because of government interference and it is getting worse. That is the reason for all the tractors in towns across Europe. Terrible greedy governments and during the shutdown some people viewed the sun directly for the very first time, but it quickly vanished behind the haze of there green energy once again. By green energy I mean the coal plants they keep building :)
We go thu a large thing of tp in a week or so and when that hit when bought 2 huge ones and 2 large ones and where good for the major shortage 😅 Theres 7 of us in this house for reference
Hell the tube still censors and demonetizes over certain sociopolitical words. But yeah having lived through it, there was a concerning about of canned & preserved foods left untouched; sadly it just shown how much people value convenience over necessity, and how easily it's exploited.
After learning about Twomad from this video, I learned he died to an OD....and I felt relieved that someone like him was no longer around. Sure, there will be others like him, but it will take time for them to grow their platform to the same size if they can at all, and the fewer "Nuisance/Problem Maker" content creators the better l.
People like me who never went outside didn't even notice. And many people who went outside noticed that the degen life is much better and there's no reason to touch grass for anything other than supplies, urgent needs, or duties/work.
Showering after every bowel movement? So... 3 times a day on top of the normal showering? Then there's the ladies wiping after urinating, so 6-8 times a day? I don't think showering after is the answer you make it out to be.
Food shortages and hunger have not been about the availability since food production became industrialized, we have more than enough food to feed everyone on Earth. It's about the distribution infrastructure that doesn't exist and the lack of capital incentive to make it feasible. There simply aren't enough people who can afford to give away their time, labor, and equipment to distribute the food.
On the other hand, farmers and governments fought really hard to not have the crisis lead to a potential benefit for consumers. Tax payers subsidized farmers everywhere with billions and billions, but god forbid the retail price falls even for a short while for a little bit because of oversupply. Nope, better just f*cking destroy all the produce. Rarely anything got cheaper during Covid, even though it easily could have. Instead I heard "due to Covid..." as an excuse for rising prices and falling standards. Socialize the losses and privatize the gains.
The idea that we produce enough food to end world hunger ignores that some of what we produce is feed for livestock, and if I'm not mistaken doesn't consider issues of nutrition.
nah bro just freeze it 5head, just give it away 5head hahahhaha i swear people just need to understand there are much much more complicated reasons for things than your attempt at good will allows for. People have no concept of logistics.
@@obolisk0430 we can double our food production if we wanted to. The problem is unwillingness from the global north to allow developing countries to produce their own food.
Exactly. Just because you produce food doesn't mean you can be some food Santa and fly all over the world handing it out.
For those wondering why the farmers would rather just destroy their crops instead of saving or delivering it:
-They would need to spend a lot of money to obtain more facilities for storage purposes
-Some crops would require devices to maintain their healthy status for storage, resulting in even more money
-They would need to find a location that would want to buy their produce
-They would need to spend more income on additional assistance to deliver more produce if they manage to find a buyer
-They would need to hope that the amount of income they generate from other locations would be enough to cover all of the increased costs and then obtain more money so they actually generate some form of income
TL;DR: Its significantly less expensive to simply dump it all instead of having to set up an entirely different farming style
I also fail to see how distribution could even take place during a lockdown.
@@zecharl-1348 Yeah, and if you give it away, no one gonna buy what you are selling. It's a lot more logical to recycle the food into compost. Our brains are wired "food keep, food collect", that's why we hate seeing it.
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Or finding more buyers. Supermarkets only have so much space after all.
Not to mention that that would deflate the price of the crops they did sell, tanking their profits.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Unironically this is the same major problem people don't think about with the whole "just give it all to Africa" argument. Even if we could, just dumping food into any country in Africa, hell, on the planet, would help in the short term, but would absolutely crash their market.
Why buy from your local farmer when you already have what you need. Why farm if no one is gonna buy your crops at a price that would atleast even allow you to break even?
I live in Australia, and I remember seeing a jewellery store with a sign out the front, just before the lockdowns, that said "One toilet roll, $19,999 (comes with free gold ring)". Thought it was hilarious.
Lmao, that is actually hilarious
That's genius XD
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The logistics of the farmers just giving it away without mass losses on top of their current losses makes it no where near worth it.
In other words, it is literally impossible for them to give this stuff away for free. They would literally need to pay a fortune to get rid of it. The only real option is to just dump it and move on.
yup, you have to sell it for less than it costs to grow it, and then you have to pay even more to ship it. OR, it's all stuff that has a short shelf life and was just going to rot anyway. Too much supply with a time limit, and nowhere near enough demand to take it all.
Kind of like how the price of oil went negative for a minute there. Futures contracts are all fun and games until you realize eventually "future" becomes "now" and the oil needs to be stored somewhere...
I work as a volunteer in a distribution center for poor people. Even before COVID, we always had farms that were willing to give us their produce, but during COVID even if they wanted to give us more we could not take it, as we had neither storage nor people to give those supplies to. Imagine having a big bottle of water, which is the amount of food you produce, a small cup, as our distribution center, and a big jug, which are restaurants, food stores etc.. . Even if the jug breaks, the cup is not going to change size and you are going to have water that you don't want in the bottle. As others mentioned, kindness can be expensive, but that is not the main issue here. There were plenty of farmers that did not want their hard work thrown away, but we and other organizations couldn't take all those supplies (we ourselves had to give some excess to family and friends so it didn't go to waste)
As others have said about farmers destroying their produce instead of feeding the hungry: It's less about the farmers being greedy as it is the problem with logistics.
If a system exist where they can donate all that food to people that need it in a seamless manner, they would have done it. But there isn't one. You need to think about where to store all that produce, the electricity to refrigerate all of it, the manpower required to transport and distribute them, the fleets of trucks/ships/planes that will carry them, etc,...
You simply can't expect the farmers to handle all that when they have their own work to do.
A lot of time people look at the problem and say "why not ship food over there?" but it is easier said than done.
That's basically what they're doing under normal conditions.
Like that's what supermarkets and other buyers are for. Basically they make the food, and WalMart goes "Yeah we'll buy it, we've got lots of big trucks and what not, we'll pay for it."
And then the farmers load up the trucks or the train or whatever, and they get paid, WalMart gets its tomatoes, people buy the tomatoes. The last part is the important one, people BUY the tomatoes.
So that's why WalMart can buy the tomatoes, they make the money they spent on transporting the food BACK. If they just give it away for free, they just spent a LOT of money and made NONE in return. It's impossible to run a business like that, because that's not a business, it's a charity. A very expensive one as well. If they're not gonna make any money off this food anyway, and some charity comes along and says "We'll take it off your hands, no cost." They'd have been happy to do it. So long as they're not losing money (Or in this case, MORE money) Farmers don't give a shit where the produce goes. If some billionaire bought a million gallons of milk in order to try and fill up the grand canyon, the farmer's gonna look at him like he's batshit, but he'll still give him the milk.
This is where hunger comes from. There's plenty of food, it's just all in the one spot and shipping it across the COUNTRY, let alone the whole world, costs a lot of money, and nobody can afford to do that over and over for free.
@@haku8135 that and also the thing about the "capitalism" argument drives me insane. people think if we didn't have capitalism and had some other system that this wouldn't happen... wrong... resources don't just spawn out of no where. you can't suddenly change up your whole system of shipments, storage, manpower and more over night... its just not physically possible... nothing to do with the system.
one small example would be how refrigeration storage buildings cost millions (because of all the resources and manpower) to build, and generally take 2 - 3 years to build even if they go all in on building it.
if in some other world with a different system tried to do what they suggested... the storage for that wasted food would just be starting to be finished NOW... long after there isn't a use for them. so the manpower and resources used to build those useless buildings went to waste, and all the food still went to waste... arguably a worse situation for that hypothetical world... and if someone were to think, "well now we have them for next time" well next time could be in a hundred years or even never, and maintaining a useless building (or many) so it remains "ready" takes a lot of resources, resources better spent other places.
Farmers giving away their crops for free marketing would be a terrible decision. It would be crazy expensive to store, transport, and distribute their unwanted crops.
Plus the fact that in some places, they can be prosecuted if someone get even mildly sick by the given food, there was a similiar situation involving Mc Donalds a time ago irrc.
@Bruno-qj5xu I thought about that too, but I think that applies more to eatery businesses. The crops they would be giving away would be more like fresh produce rather than "expired" or "end of sale" food.
@@reduwu7602 Not that fresh due to transport, etc... also it can still make ppl sick and the law apply to both civilians and businesses, some people are just evil and they would abuse this law to the limit for money
yeah also, how would marketing help farmers? they usually have deals with big companies that buy their food to sell in stores. with a lot of that gone, who would they be marketing to? a lot of people throw around the word marketing when it has no real tangible value. marketing has to lead to direct profit, otherwise it means less than nothing.
"why people refuse the give aways?"
food is periciable, and is also quite fast at it. So you cant just give for free you have to process it what cost money as well. Then in order to give it away you have to build operation (local to give it away, third parties that would distrubt the food for other people) what costs time that already was estabelished that food doesnt have much of it before it spoils. Finally if some one eat and get sick, you can be found liable for uncenitizend food distribuiton and get sue.
TLDR:
Its never that simple.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals ..."
Ah yes, hollywood writing, pandering to everyone. Person might be smart, but most aren't. To be fair, most human apes could barely be called a person. They're more akin to 905 from the song by The Who. So in that sense, the saying actually fits.
The more towards an extreme of any political, religious or other world view shaping tribal doctrine they lean, the less brains and/or experience they have.
For the food destruction part: here they literally give away so much, but they couldnt go to give to people, they made adds to collect but the goverment said "nuh huh" so the farmers needed to at least us it as compost in their own farm or risk all going bad and not serving anything
22:30 When he says processing, that includes freezing it. The farmers do not have freezers on site. Most goods would need to be processed anyway. Potatoes would have to be cut to shape, wheat would have to be made into bread, some vegetables would need to be cut to form. Even then, there's plenty that can't be frozen. Meat, milk, vegetables that are supposed to be fresh. And even then, how much space would that take up? For how long? How much more would it cost to hold that in stasis, rather than growing fresh ones and hoping the panic dies by the time that's done?
If there's one thing this pandemic has proved very clear it's that we are nowhere close to comprehend the boundaries of people's stupidity.
Okay, about the shower thing. I know it's fairly common in Europe to have a hand held shower head you can move around and I'm not sure about Australia but in America our shower heads like 95% of the time are fixed stationary ones and bidets aren't super common either.
But you can just use a bucket to put water on and wash yo ass in the toilet, that way you even minimize the water consumption to get them cheeks clean
Big TP got its claws sunk deep
Damn, how can you people properly wash yourself if you cant move the handle?
Is reaching around your waist or bending over to wash your crack also uncommon in the U.S. or is this a setup for an "Americans are fat"-joke?
@@peffiSC2source respectfully, how the hell would I know lmao, I don't watch other people's hygiene routines
Edit: we are fat though, it's a problem.
25:27 logistics problems,
Not enough workers for that.
Plus these are colossal amounts of produce, you would need to build fridges the size of entire apartments just to house all that.
Then consider moving all that crap in an organized and timely manner.
That is already a nightmare before the pandemic, during it would be just insanity.
23:04 storage. Storage takes up space and costs money and supermarkets only have so much storage space.
Remember that cheese video. Giving it away for free isn't an option, because that will destroy the value of the stock. It would also be a punch to the stock market.
Remember, if 2020 taught us 1 thing. Supply lines. Everything is connected.
The farmers can't give away their crops even if they wanted to. There's a strict ban on movement and a severely limited workforce. The expense would be immense since most of these farms operate on an industrial scale.
Even giving it away would be at a high cost... you need to deliver it to a non customer or even anyone with less working force on your side. You can not froze that amount of things anywhere btw.
I'm from a very small town in the United States. A town that feels completely separate from the rest of the world. Nothing that happens ever affects this town. But even there, we ran out of toilet paper. I had about a week of using paper towels and bagging them up afterwards since you can't flush it.
Not enough space to freeze and giving it away would incur more costs for the farmer. Workers regulations, etc. Farmers are not charity.
Farmers dont have freezers, and any freezer of sufficient size would cost millions. Joust imagine the logistic nightmare If each of them somehow found the 1000 or so freezers they need for one cropcycle.
Giving it away is not easy. it's food and has regulations. You would also neeed many locations to give it away as one field of anything is to much for the local comunity. Not to mention the missing freezers which mean that it would go bad fast. Not to mention that fucking no one would come. Sure they are giving away free onions but the not the other things i need. The extra distance i would have to drive for that 1kg of onions i need would be more expensive in fuel than joust buying it in the store.
They are not "joust" focusing on money. Both above mentioned options would ruin them financially within weeks if persued in any meaningfully capacity.
23:58 Why? He explained it. No one was going to buy it. It was going to spoil. It's already been made, it has to be removed to make room for fresh. This is what happens when you declare most of the workforce "non essential." The previous supply does not meet the current demand.
3:05 demonetization was definitely a thing when mentioning covid verbally or in text form (maybe it still is IDK). If i recall correctly the idea was stop the flow if misinformation in the hands of conspiracy theorists and other bad actors by removing any monetary incentive of doing so. "you may have millions of people listening to you talk about gay frog water, but don't think you'll make any money from the platform by insinuating covid is a hoax".
Ironically I find there's also the opposite effect, where now there's a significant lack of information regarding the everyday lives of the people living in it. Because if people do mention it, suddenly they wont get paid. Paws Asking "is that why it's called "TheVarus"" is an example of what i'm talking about. A bunch of people were saying they caught "ligma" or "the big C" back in the day. That was fine at the time, because we knew what they were talking about, but 10 years from now you'll have people looking back and wondering "what's with all the ligma?" not knowing it was because of an actual pandemic.
I am sure the farmers reached out to everyone they knew and gave away all the food they could, but you have to consider where food is grown compared to the population centers, people in New York aren’t going to drive 18 hours to Iowa for free food. Even if all the non-farmers here in Iowa were to take all the food we could fit in our vehicles there would still be millions of tons that would be left there aren’t enough freezers in the world to store it.
24:40 No, not cost effective. The packaging plants would not take it. The stores would not take it. The product has a very fast expiration date, they can't just hold it. If the economy picked up the next week and they held it, every milk jug would have a one week expiration date. Very few people would buy that. And that's a quick turn around, this was the state of things for *months*.
You can give only small amount of food for free. Cause if you want to give all that food, you need to deliver it. And this is out of question, cause you already lost millions and delivery would only increase your loses. So if someone wants free food, they need to go to the farm. The problem is people who can drive to farm mostly can afford food and people who really in need can't afford road to farm. It is really sad situation.
Just have the consumers pick them up themselves... Set up a shop right next to the production and sell the goods for half the retail price for anyone who comes. Sure, they still wouldn't be able to sell everything, but it's better than destroying it all. Same with retailers. At least let the price fall a bit, since consumers are subsidizing your greed with billions and billions of tax payer money. But no, there is less profit to made this way, why should they?
@@peffiSC2sourcethat's... not how that works.
@@frenchynoob Wow, what an insightful rebuttal.
@@peffiSC2source I don't wanna start typing an essay in a yt comment explaining how the food production economic model was completely taken by surprise by the virus. And also, you seem pretty deadset on your view that "farmers = greedy evil food hoarders", so changing your mind is probably impossible.
I'm sure there are plenty of videos out there that go in full detail as to _why_ so much food was dumped during the pandemic, if you're _actually_ interested.
@@frenchynoob Let me get this straight. You don't want to get into an argument, yet waste both of our time with your empty comments that only exist to boost your own ego and boil down to nebulous hypotheses and calls for me to "do my own research". Wow, thanks for nothing, Friedman.
I'll extend an olive branch to you though. Arguments I would have made relate to the volume of subsidies in the U.S. and EU for farmers, the profit margins for various products in year by year comparisons, especially dairy, and total profits during the pandemic years.
I am of course not talking about some family farms with like four cows and a potato field, who donated their surplus to the local food shelter during those years. I am talking about the mega-agri-corporations that actually feed the world and had some banging years.
You'll quickly find that "farmers = greedy" in that context is a pretty reasonable conclusion if you look deeper into it and if you're *actually* interested.
I feel like this two part series is the best content Internet Historian has ever made, although our clown world did help a lot with making things content.
I used to work at a janitorial supply place that delivered orders of toilet paper to places like factories Walmart big businesses etc. And so I bought a big industrial pack for our home and we were set for awhile, no fighting in the stores or whatever.
They cant just give away and its not about money.
Let's say I make 100 gallons of milk a day and come to your house and give you 5 gallons. You won't be able to consume all of it in one day, but tomorrow, I will be knocking on your door with 5 more, and that will continue EVERY DAY, FOR MONTHS. You won't be able to store or freeze all of it. To be able to send it to other people I would need to transport it with a truck, and that truck needs gas. I would have to drive to deliver the milk to people FOR FREE every day, for months. I am working for free while paying for the transpor, the maintenance of the farm, and my own bills. And we are only talking about milk, and a very small amount of that. If we start adding other products you will start seeing how you would run out of space, people, workforce and money really fast. Because people are not gonna start consuming more. And we are only talking about 1 small farm. These are not farmers that produce for themselves, they supply the market. They deliver many trucks full of products EVERY DAY.
So when the market can't take all of that, they will give away what they can, consume what they can, preserve what they can, and would still be stuck with mountains of products with nowhere to go, and when tomorrow comes, the products they stored yesterday won't disappear to store new ones.
So all its left to do it to throw everything away.
Also if its raw untreated milk, it will spoil really quickly, the last thing u want is to get a law suit for causing a town to have explosive diarrhea in a middle of toilet paper shortage
22:55 Freezing and storing crop costs a lot.
24:18 costs of transporting milk to “give it away” would not make financial sense… anything dealing with excess wastes of food in the world can be explained by storage and transportation costs.
25:10 it’s all just money, the food was made for money, transported for money, store for money, and the transporting of of goods only to give it away doesn’t create good will because most of society doesn’t acknowledge the true source of their food. The farmers already lost the money since they wouldn’t be paid for their crops from distributors. If the farmers spent money to freely give it to the distributors and the distributors gave it to the public for free then only the distributors would gain the goodwill. You have effectively double punished the farmer on costs with no benefit.
Freezing it where? In a conveniently empty self tempered store house in the middle of nowhere? Maam, i know the pain it causes, but there was literally no other option, many of this places where farmers without that much money now because of the freezing economy. Not to mention that freezing things like lettuce is detrimental as the things burns
If farmers gave away food fewer people would be buying from stores, meaning the stores also run at a loss and have to shut down. If one part of the chain decides to cut out the parts after them in the chain the whole system would collapse.
24:15 the thing about giving away is: costs
even if you give it away to the nearest city's orphanage or whatever, it still won't come close to use all the thousands of liters of milk or metric tonnes of food
if you go ahead and give it away to charity that goes to the needy in other cities/states/countries, well that needs to be transported far away, costing money, money that will put you further into the negative
if you try to store it, well milk would spoil and can't be frozen, potatoes would require to be processed first, tomatoes and lettuce/cabbage would be inedible if frozen, and even then it would require storage, which costs money, a frozen storage even more in form of energy and infrastructure
Just wanted to give you a heads up but milk can be frozen for up to 3 months
As a free tidbit, Australia comes up kinda often in IH videos, that's because he lives there. I believe he is from New Zeland, but has lived for so long in Australia now we might as well just consider him Australian.
I love how our politicians dealt with the panic...
Instead of trying to use big politic words, they went on national television in a press conference and said: "You don't need all that toilet paper. Getting sick might give you a runny nose, not a runny ass!".
Farmers don't gain anything from marketing, and the don't have freezers to freeze mass amounts of produce. Also, who would help them?
My understanding of the toilet paper thing is when people are in situations when they have no control, like a global pandemic, people grasp at small things that they can control, like having enough toilet paper, and when they can't control that, they panic even more
Problem with donating is they need people willing and ABLE to take it at a reduced workload. Sure plenty would take it but they may not have the ability to store it. And if people get sick for improper storage they'd be liable. Result is destroy it.
I'm work at retail at somepoint and yeah they hate giving away product because people will stop buying the product and wait for the product closer to expire and they will giving away
One of the major reasons that it could not just "be given away" is that thanks to "food safety" laws it's illegal to just give away food if it has an expiry date in a lot of places.
I feel like another reason why they couldn’t give away the food is that it’s illegal in some cities or states to give food to homeless people. I might be wrong though.
It's also that they could get sued if any of them got sick from it.
Disney used to give away their old food to the homeless, but some homeless people claimed they got food poisoning from it and sued Disney so they just threw it away.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Makes sense.
25:33 and who exactly is going to freeze all that produce? There is no company out there where they would or could take an entire markets worth of produce and freeze it most of which would still need to be thrown out because freezing foods doesn't last forever. Even then you have to look at the cost of maintaining said frozen food and transporting all of it every cycle with no returns which would mean they are all going to lose so much money that they would be forced to shut down their farms in turn destroying the entire industry and seeing more people starving in the end. It's a shame that they had to terminate all that produce but in the end they had to do it. Even then there is no actual benefit in terms of marketing value because farms don't sell their produce directly from said farm or to a personally owned business, for the most part they sell exclusively to the major grocery store chains who transport everything to their stores. So farms don't really have the infostructure to transport things themselves and they aren't a business that gains anything from marketing. The reason why all the produce was being tossed is because people simply weren't buying enough food to justify to grocery store chains to purchase more produce from farms. So with no one capable of paying for that produce or even capable of transporting it they had to terminate all of it.
26:00 this is little bit complicated, first most farmer live mile away from city you need to pay for moving the products, and because of virus™ no-one can checking bad/good products (this shit can be lawsuit because some randome guy get sick consuming free stuff) and most farmer don't have enough place to store the product that they make everyday like dairy,egg and maybe there another 2-3 point that i don't know
FYI on the farmers.
Here in California, the government puts alot of farmers in a position where they have to destroy the extra just so they can get by to the next year.
I’m assuming they couldn’t give it away because the world was in lock down, like I’m sure they could give it to the homeless within the states but not say the starving children in Africa
covid time was like another dimension that somehow the whole world got isekai into, a florida dimension specifically.
Legend has it that there was also a panic buying of pasta in Italy during that time.
No toilet paper shortage in my house. Bidet gang rise up!
When you said "we all have working showers and water", that was my exact reaction!
In some countries' homes like mine, we have a hose spray that you can use to wash yourself after. In the absence of that, even the shower works, along with liquid soap to properly cleanse. You just need to undress, and have a towel to dry up.
The fact that people are adamant to use ANY water and have this doomsday mentality about toilet paper puzzles me.
26:00 from what I understand giving away that much free food would likely cause the economy to crash unfortunately.
Yes. And No
It didn't need to be free. Besides everyone was paying for it through Covid subsidies. US farmers got 19 billion in tax payer money. So they were desotrying food that was indirectly paid for already.
The Economy was already crashing because of the lockdowns. Something we have never fully recovered from.
Fun fact: the fish tank cleaner was actually just a woman who murdered her husband with it and tried to get away with it by saying she heard Trump tell her to do it as a cure so she did it because she trusted him, except the police can use facebook and noticed that she was an avid Hillary Clinton supporter who hated Trump.
As for the crops being destroyed issue, they couldn't just give it away because of regulations that require them to process the food first. Kind of like how restaurants can get in trouble for giving away leftovers at the end of the day. They didn't just give it away because they LEGALLY couldn't give it away due to regulations.
I'm not sure anyone will ever top the Twomad zoom call trolling; that was peak content. Rest in peace, he was a real one :(
I lived on the outskirts of a major city with no supermarket around at the time so I had to use magazines because the cornershops were out
28:36 For those that dont know, the content creator known as "Twomad" recently passed away from an apparent OD on ketamine. After his rocket rise to fame, he slowly, then quickly, fell from grace. A tragedy to say the least.
It is extremely impractical to shower every time you pooped. That would be 3-4 showers a day. That is not a good idea.
See, you're applying your own situation to the entire world with your argument. The average person poops once a day. On top of that, there are inventions like the BIDET which allow you to easily "shower" just that area. It might not be a practical solution for you, but it is a thing many of us do.
Ngl quarantine was probably best year or so of my life
My stores had no toilet paper for 2 months. Luckily I had plenty as I buy 3 12-packs and it lasts me a year before I need to buy more. 2020 was a crazy ass year and I'm glad to have seen it go down. 50 years from now, they'll rewrite history to change what happened or leave out details.
To all those comments about the Farmers throwing away their produce. There is one thing that is often forgotten. Depending on your country, you not only need all that extra money to store, deliver, etc. these goods. Giving it away for free does not excempt you from taxes. Throwing it away does. This is the case here in Germany, for example. If you give it away for free, you'd still have to pay taxes as if you normally sold it. You'd have to donate it to specific places to avoid that. There is this misconception that these Producers have enough savings or other ways to get money to survive such a thing. That is simply not the case for most of them. Being "nice" and giving it away would literally kill their business, so the free marketing wouldn't help them much. Just look at Nursing as a whole, they were championed early on in the pandemic, but nothing ultimately changed for them in terms of working conditions, pay etc. You can't feed your kids with good marketing.
A farmers margins are so slim that any loss could be devastating and send them under. the facilities required to; move, store, maintain, and distribute all this extra produce not for market would be so astronomical that they would almost be immediately bankrupt
Lmao, as someone who almost never used toilet paper since I used water and soap with my left hand instead, knowing the fact people fighting to dead for toilet papers is hillarious😂
Awesome work Paws! I remember walking into stores and TP was just gone, 2021 was unique. Napkins, Paper towels, and tissues were still there it was just TP here. Hot pockets too, singles were just gone the whole year, bulk only had two kinds.🤔 On another note The Fat Electrician single ply toilet paper rant video is funnier than it should be, this videos hilarity just makes me think of it. This video is great, it's a great reaction.
In the US there was a diaper shortage along with toilet paper. Also a lysol shortage
19:35 As someone who caught covid its one the worst experience I have ever dealt with the constant coughing to the point it started to hurt my chest. So please be careful y'all and stay safe out there.
Oh man... it was fun experiencing all of this while working in a grocery store through the pandemic. Being exposed to sick people on the regular, testing a few times because coworkers came in sick... getting a few $100 gift cards *to the store we worked in* as "hazard pay," only to find out we were mandated to accept the cards, and that they were entered into our W-2 as "untaxed income," so we inevitably had to pay taxes on the cards...
The farmers couldn't give away food because that would screw over their business partners, the grocery stores. If people are getting a bunch of food for free, they're not going to be buying it.
The Great Toilet Paper shortage of 2020, those were some fun times, reminds me of a fight in a Sainsbury's where two women were fighting over a single toilet roll, my dad and I were trying not to laugh because it looked like two walrus fighting over crack cocaine. But at the same time it's sad because the vast majority of people will believe anything if told by Lame Stream Media.
Fun fact: X-AE-X-12 is actually read as "Ksaeksi too", which is sexy too.
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The farmer's weren't given a choice about throwing away the extra food. The government didn't let them sell it at a lower cost. Even though selling it at a lower cost would inevitably lowered prices for consumers.
To say they had no choice is ridiculous. They got billions and billions in subsidies but couldn't figure out a way to give more of their excess produce away below potential peak profit? I bet if dairy farms made a Facebook post saying "Bring your own milk canister and we will fill it up for you for half the retail price", there would be cars lined up halfway across the state.
Tax payers funded farmers with billions in subsidies, just for them to destroy their crop, because they didn't want the retail price to fall even a single percent. Food could have been much cheaper during Covid. It wasn't. Because there was profit to be made in crisis. I will never forgive that greed.
It's not that the government didn't allow sales it's that there's a whole set of labeling and packaging regulations for consumer safety that are completely different from commercial regulations, the companies would have had to reprocess and repackage everything at great cost.
@@OrbObserver not much of a difference between what you and said. You had more details than I could remember.
@@Zulooth1 The way you wrote it implied that the government would not allow the sales in this specific situation because it would help people. You were trying to paint long established food regulation being lawfully enforced as a deliberate decision to hurt people, I simply clarified your negative spin. These regulations can't just be turned on and off when they feel like it, the entire industry is built around them.
@@OrbObserver I already agnoliged that you are clearly more informed than I am. What more do you expect from me on this?
Covid was truly a world changing event
I love post apocalyptic games/movies, they are always dingy and serious with alot of dread and despair. But living through 2020s in Australia made me realise that an apocalypse would be far more funny and pathetic then what is portrayed.
Now that you did this. Do the Varus strikes back
Late 2020::
A - "The kidnappers are willing to release your children if you give them your toilet paper."
B - "..."
A - "Well?"
B - "I'm thinking!"
Paws your voice is so cute. I can listen to you all day
6:50 - Toilet paper cartels and japanese toilets
acest om este grozav. Partea mamei mele a familiei este poloneză/maghiară, iar partea tatălui meu este italiană. Și Italia a avut o lipsă similară. Între timp, locuiesc în Australia și pot confirma 100% că acest lucru a fost un lucru timp de aproape 8-9 luni. Oamenilor le place pur și simplu să intre în panică
The toilet paper shortage proves how people will do anything to not just use a bidet 😄
As an Australian, living through this idiocy was pure hell. And it was that really that bad, and it got way worse. And I am sorry we exported it.
24:15 they can't the supply chain was cut. No one was there to take it and it just sit there to rot.
Tails from Paws ❤
Great video paw
Ah I remembered getting yelled at by customers when the lockdown was starting
One woman ordered a salad and came back an hour later because we forgot the utensils as they were having a picnic at the beach
- she didn’t ask if she wanted any when we gave the order to her
And we ran out of utensils anyway so we couldn’t give her any
Rest in piece, TwoMad.
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"I haven't had covid yet" Proceeds to cough 😮 o7. Love the videos btw❤
Thanks 😅 , my cough had a great timing there
yeah.. the zoom part was pretty cringe.. and Twomad didnt not help at all.. :D but rest of the video was so funny and also my god insane.. :D and the next part is even more insane.. like your jaw will drop guaranteed^^ im from EU and i dont remember any of these issues sure the distancing and not going outside etc but we had no issue with toilet paper etc.. also wow great to hear you havent had covid.. i had it twice.. :D it was not good but it wasnt that bad to me to visit hospital or anything :)
part 2 is also good. a bit prophetic somehow XD
"you could have given it away" -- yeah... you'd think it'd be that easy, but government food and safety (in EU and USA at least) says no to that.... you are not allowed to give it away... you'd be criminally charged, giving it away for free.... so yeah...
i bet you farmers didn't like throwing all that stuff but what should they have done? they aren't allowed to give it away for free and even if they were, they are already hemorrhaging money and can barely keep their businesses afloat during that time and many actually went bankrupt during covid. so even if they were allowed to give it away for free they aren't able to pay for that.
and freezing everything is also no solution.... where are you going to store 3.7 billion gallons of frozen milk? and next day there'll be 7.4 billion gallons of frozen milk.... lockdowns went on for months.... where do you store all that? and when lockdown ends, what do you do with all that frozen milk, whenever people are not gonna start using more than 3.7 billion gallons of milk daily? and the cows dont stop producing milk.... so you suddenly have 1000x of what people are able to eat/drink and it rots anyway.....
it sucks that all that food was wasted, but there is literally nothing (even with endless money and endless storage space and even without taking the fact, that the produce starts rotting, into account) that could have been done...
have elon musk, bill gates and jeff bezoz pay to have all that shipped to africa and distributed to poor people? there are not enough ships and planes and trucks in the world to move all that stuff efficiently before it rots.... its sad but nothing could have been done there...
To clarify: the farmers could theoretically give it away for free, but they need to label and package everything and all that jazz so food and drugs administration doesnt come down on them with the book of law. packaging, labeling, etc. is usually not handled by the farmers but the distributor. on a small scale farmers can and actually do all that themselves (like small mom and pop farms with a little farm store where you can buy stuff straight from them), but big industrialized farms dont handle that themselves and dont have the facilities and equipment to do that. and without proper labeling, packaging and all that jazz, you cant give it away. here in germany its even stricter than in the u.s.
4:35 Wait? Paws, are you suggesting people use logic and reason to come to a logical conclusion on what can do? That we could have used normal reusable towels and clean them afterwards?
Not happening. Not on this earth.
Always remember: that Overwatch 2 is so bad that TwoMad overdosed himself in process kiIIinq himself because you can't play that game if you are high like a kite
The farmers can not afford to transport it to give it away and are always screwed because of government interference and it is getting worse. That is the reason for all the tractors in towns across Europe. Terrible greedy governments and during the shutdown some people viewed the sun directly for the very first time, but it quickly vanished behind the haze of there green energy once again. By green energy I mean the coal plants they keep building :)
Keep reacting to good content love you
Definitely had enough toilet paper. I had bought a mega back like 3 months before.
Oh wow!
We go thu a large thing of tp in a week or so and when that hit when bought 2 huge ones and 2 large ones and where good for the major shortage 😅
Theres 7 of us in this house for reference
Hell the tube still censors and demonetizes over certain sociopolitical words. But yeah having lived through it, there was a concerning about of canned & preserved foods left untouched; sadly it just shown how much people value convenience over necessity, and how easily it's exploited.
After learning about Twomad from this video, I learned he died to an OD....and I felt relieved that someone like him was no longer around. Sure, there will be others like him, but it will take time for them to grow their platform to the same size if they can at all, and the fewer "Nuisance/Problem Maker" content creators the better l.
Bidet gang rise up! Bidet owners took the W during the pandemic
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You should hear the stories in part 2 lol
0:08 me when I hit puberty
Oh no. Not Twomad.
Ah yes, the lockdowns. We all remember where we were when that happened...
People like me who never went outside didn't even notice.
And many people who went outside noticed that the degen life is much better and there's no reason to touch grass for anything other than supplies, urgent needs, or duties/work.
MAAN I LOVE BIDET
Showering after every bowel movement? So... 3 times a day on top of the normal showering? Then there's the ladies wiping after urinating, so 6-8 times a day? I don't think showering after is the answer you make it out to be.
It's my freedom to have guns and knifes..merica