The Draft Riots of 1863 - US Civil War - Extra History

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    July 13th, 1863, New York City: The Colored Orphan Asylum is under siege. A cauldron of resentment, anti-authority, and racial tensions rise as the city becomes a battleground for Irish immigrants and the African American communities, who have been manipulated by powerful players. 🏢🔥 As anti-draft sentiments boil over into racial violence, the dire consequences of division and prejudice unfold in heart-wrenching detail. - When divisions are sown, everyone loses.
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  • @extrahistory
    @extrahistory  8 місяців тому +93

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    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 8 місяців тому +1

      You guys always make My day better🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

    • @Altitude_adict
      @Altitude_adict 8 місяців тому +2

      How was this commented 7d ago is my phone glitching?😂

    • @k1inzSukma
      @k1inzSukma 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Altitude_adict 😂 fr thinking the same thing

    • @Gentleman_GamingYT
      @Gentleman_GamingYT 8 місяців тому +2

      Same

    • @k1inzSukma
      @k1inzSukma 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Gentleman_GamingYT frrrrrr

  • @KyleRayner12
    @KyleRayner12 8 місяців тому +1347

    The tactic of pitting Irish Catholics against other immigrant groups has had a lasting legacy in a lot of Northern cities. I'm from Boston, where the most recent lynching recorded was in the 1970s, and there's a notable constituency of fiercely anti-immigrant and anti-nonwhite Irish-American locals, including a lot of my relatives.

    • @newjerseyyouth4853
      @newjerseyyouth4853 8 місяців тому +6

      What lynching

    • @CodaMission
      @CodaMission 8 місяців тому +41

      ​@XtoDoubt25 If that were the primary animus, they should still be pissed at ANY immigrant. But its suspiciously one pigment.

    • @noahjohnson935
      @noahjohnson935 8 місяців тому +63

      ​​@@XtoDoubt25 it's still horrible. The Irish of all people should be against oppression and racism, after experiencing it for so long. Oppressing non-whites makes us no better than the Anglos who wished to destroy Eire.

    • @williamhamilton1154
      @williamhamilton1154 8 місяців тому +18

      Yeah. Don’t think Canada didn’t see it’s own share of things like that. Well into the 20th century the Greek community in Toronto was targeted with such violence. That’s just a tiny slice of it.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson 8 місяців тому +15

      Including Marky Mark Walburg.

  • @odolwa099
    @odolwa099 8 місяців тому +1266

    Considering our history with the Brits, nothing disappoints me more as an Irish person than seeing our own people do to another what was done to us.

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 8 місяців тому +75

      I might be Northern Irish myself but I 100% agree with you

    • @mccloaker
      @mccloaker 8 місяців тому +60

      Remember, we're all the same kind of person. We're all one empty stomach away from trying to eradicate the competition.

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 8 місяців тому +39

      Ironically, Ireland seems to be testing ground for what British would do to India (namely extracting resources in time of famine, meager handouts, and second class citizens to everyone, even the rich with “exceptions”) yet made up large chunk of British Army personnel who tends to suppress them..
      Not that universal since there was an Irish journalist who converted to Buddhism and advocated for Burma Independence (then part of British Raj*), and both Irish and Indian activists often shared solidarity.
      * To add similarity with the video, they also pit various groups, whether it’s between Muslims and Hindus in India, or Buddhists against Christian hill people, lower class Indians, and Chinese that screwed things up even after independence.

    • @balls9420
      @balls9420 8 місяців тому +16

      As a Cornish Person I'm starting to see that same worrying trend in SOME Cornish Nationalists. They are hating the English people for doing basically nothing. A lot of these on the extreme end of Cornish Nationalism, not to anyone's surprise have a list of mental problems.

    • @thedaniel4999
      @thedaniel4999 8 місяців тому +30

      People always like to punch down. What better way to make yourself feel better about your place in society than to seemingly assert your social superiority against your seeming lessers

  • @trippyhare
    @trippyhare 8 місяців тому +691

    Whenever someone in power tells you to hate another stigmatized group, their goal is *never* to increase your power.
    That line right there is brilliant.

    • @05Matz
      @05Matz 8 місяців тому +19

      Definitely a great line. The core lesson of this bloody incident summed up well, and sadly it remains a very relevant lesson.

    • @shawnwarrynn8609
      @shawnwarrynn8609 8 місяців тому +9

      So why is it that lately Extra History seems to be encouraging this among the various minorities and minority groups of America?!

    • @malogibeaux4946
      @malogibeaux4946 8 місяців тому +20

      @@shawnwarrynn8609 CARE TO EXPLAIN,

    • @informatikabos5481
      @informatikabos5481 8 місяців тому +27

      @@malogibeaux4946 If I had to guess, I'd assume they are referring to several videos that subjects the discrimination and crimes that happened especially in the US against various minorities living in America. To which I'd respond with "If I'm can't even point out the injustices that have and still are committed against my community, how can I ever expect for things to change? How subservient do you want me to be until you grant me the simple right to exist?"
      (Obv. I don't know if thats what they meant, but it's a common sentiment on the internet.)

    • @malogibeaux4946
      @malogibeaux4946 8 місяців тому +13

      @@informatikabos5481 fun fact, I did not meant it to be in capital (caps lock but it looks way better this way).

  • @kellenlean2076
    @kellenlean2076 8 місяців тому +386

    The gangs of New York is a great movie that depicts some of the riots albeit in a very Hollywood way. The military shells New York in the movie which never happened but other then that I think it does a good job at showing what they were like.

    • @VoteBidentoSaveDemocracy
      @VoteBidentoSaveDemocracy 8 місяців тому

      I didn't realize Gangs of New York took place during the Civil War.....

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 8 місяців тому +12

      I saw someone use that scene to describe what it mustve been like when the Savlar Chemdogs arrived in a hive city, if you know Warhammer 40k.

  • @louthegiantcookie
    @louthegiantcookie 8 місяців тому +610

    What level of evil do you have to be to attack an orphanage of all things? I first read about the Draft Riots in the book Gangs of New York, and was shocked at just how sadistic the mob were. Awful times.

    • @SugaPappi32
      @SugaPappi32 8 місяців тому +8

      I love the movie

    • @DJHDOG
      @DJHDOG 8 місяців тому +61

      Very easy to act that way, if they see the other side as "not people"

    • @existentialcrisisactor
      @existentialcrisisactor 8 місяців тому

      The American standard is pretty evil once looked at objectively

    • @markmower1746
      @markmower1746 8 місяців тому +6

      ​@@DJHDOGYou're right, when the other people act more like animals more than people...

    • @righthandstep5
      @righthandstep5 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@markmower1746 reminds me of war for the planet of the apes.

  • @silvertalon007
    @silvertalon007 8 місяців тому +57

    "CALL A DOCTOR! CALL A DOCTOR!" * Readies Up Gatling Guns * "But Not For Me!"

  • @Double_D__
    @Double_D__ 8 місяців тому +199

    I did a quick Google Search on a whim to find out how much it would cost in today's money to avoid the draft with these laws: If you had to pay $300 in 1863 to avoid the draft, today it would cost a little over *_$7,300_* in today's money. I've heard of Class Warfare, but this really was the rich leaving combat and warfare to the lower classes. Despicable.

    • @jamesboswell1804
      @jamesboswell1804 8 місяців тому +3

      This isn't the wealthiest country in the world for nothing

    • @50TNCSA
      @50TNCSA 8 місяців тому +16

      rich man's war poor man's fight

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli 8 місяців тому +8

      That's our European heritage. There have been exemptions for the wealthy for a very long time. And it didn't really end. The exemptions got more convoluted, but draft exemptions like being a college student before the era of student aid had an obvious intent. By the Vietnam War, it was a lot more accessible to the middle class, but still not for a lot of people.

    • @joythought
      @joythought 8 місяців тому +8

      I agree with your points but imagine being the head of finance for the Union army and knowing that if you can extract a significant amount of extra money from all the wealthy folk of the North you can afford the provisions, equipment, etc to overmatch your enemy. I would suggest that there is a chance that the money was an important cash flow. It was called the "Commutation fee" and it could be charged to someone on each draft for which they were called and wanted to avoid.

    • @BillMcD
      @BillMcD 8 місяців тому +1

      @@joythought the problem is it shouldn't have been a randomized per capita tax, but part of a larger progressive income tax structure. Federal income tax wasn't established until 1913. At this point the country could only rely on war bonds and state funds to pay for soldiers and gear. The "commutation fee" was arbitrary in who it hit, and often times it would be better to hire someone to go in your stead either because it was cheaper or it was a sure way to not get back in the draft again. I highly doubt the Union Army saw much if any of that money.

  • @AynenMakino
    @AynenMakino 8 місяців тому +245

    The point you ended on, of never trusting a politician who tells you to hate another group, the world really needs you to keep hammering that point home. We as a global culture still don't recognize these politicians for what they are early enough. Education on their playbook has a long way to go. But you guys are very good teachers, imho. So I hope you'll keep at it! 💚

  • @wikiuser92
    @wikiuser92 8 місяців тому +209

    I've heard this very wise phrase on the internet:
    "Politics and religion should serve the people instead of telling people to hate."

    • @jamesboswell1804
      @jamesboswell1804 8 місяців тому +6

      They are what they attract

    • @Cacowninja
      @Cacowninja 8 місяців тому +11

      Politics was never meant to serve people.
      It's just the running of a ruling class under supposed legitimacy.
      As for religion that can go in a number of ways.

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 8 місяців тому +13

      @@Cacowninja You may think so, but there are many politicians who selflessly want to help the people who chose them.

    • @Cacowninja
      @Cacowninja 8 місяців тому +3

      @@wikiuser92Then why do they choose a profession that is inherently involuntary?
      I mean politics is forced on people. It's force.
      You don't get to choose whether anyone rules over you or not, and you most certainly don't get to choose whether to pay the taxes they charge or not.
      If you want to help people choose something other than being a politician that actually helps people.
      Agorism is the absence of a ruling class which there are many video on youtube to learn about it.

    • @wikiuser92
      @wikiuser92 8 місяців тому +12

      @@Cacowninja Believe it or not, there are many politicians who actively seek to become politicians to change the world for the better.

  • @Gillemear
    @Gillemear 8 місяців тому +82

    While I am a proud Irishman who has heard many times how the Irish "built" America, I appreciate this dark chapter in our shared history. It's just as important to recognise the darkness as well as the light in the past. Only then can we learn from our mistakes

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 4 місяці тому +4

      If only we would learn from said darkness now instead of mistreating other vulnerable minorities that come here for a better life

    • @Al-Rudigor
      @Al-Rudigor 17 днів тому

      Built America?! People actually say that? Geez!

    • @Gillemear
      @Gillemear 17 днів тому +1

      @Al-Rudigor Yes, the vast majority of labourers on New York skyscrapers were Irish for example.

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 8 місяців тому +192

    Just because New York was in the union doesn’t mean they weren’t horribly racist at the time. During the civil war for a lot of people in the north it was more about preserving the union than freeing the slaves.

    • @Ninja1Ninja2
      @Ninja1Ninja2 8 місяців тому +17

      this logic is how the south can still say it was states rights lol

    • @witoldtadeusz
      @witoldtadeusz 8 місяців тому +9

      And many factory owners just wanted really cheap workers to come north - the slavers at least needed to keep their "property" alive and functional, a manufacturer always has workers in dire need of money lined up, so that little he cares for their wellbeing.
      Whereas the southrons frequently fought not for the slavery, but for the sovereignty of their own states - the right to choose whether to be in a union or break apart from it. Take Robert Edward Lee, for example. He was personally against slavery, and yet commanded the Confederate forces, having refused such command over the Union.
      USA is a union of states, not a state divided into administrative regions, isn't it

    • @chico9805
      @chico9805 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@witoldtadeuszVery true, it's all about personal interests. There were some who geniunely cared, but for most, there were and always are ulterior motives.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 8 місяців тому

      ​@@witoldtadeuszThe part where they fought for the independence of the states is pure hogwash. Richmond is just as overbearing as Washington and Georgia was vocal enough to say how much "states' rights" eventually means nothing. I mean read the Confederate Constitution: states are not allowed to free any slaves inside their own state borders, ever nor are they allowed to secede from the Confederacy. The US Constitution didn't say they could do that or couldn't do that...

    • @spiffygonzales5160
      @spiffygonzales5160 8 місяців тому

      ​@@Ninja1Ninja2
      Honestly the anti neo confeds are worse than the neo confeds these days.
      Like seriously how many neo confeds do you ACTUALLY see these days? Now compare it to the number of people who say stuff in the vein of "Shermans march should have killed more people".

  • @HardCodedGaming
    @HardCodedGaming 8 місяців тому +19

    Whether it's 2023 or 1863, don't listen to people at the buffet about how to get your table scraps.

  • @bluejay4214
    @bluejay4214 8 місяців тому +71

    Oh man I remember seeing this interpreted in the Gangs of New York movie. It was absolutely horrifying.

  • @warkijiji4474
    @warkijiji4474 8 місяців тому +28

    You don’t need to pick a man’s pockets to get his money, give him someone to look down upon and it will fall right out

  • @user-xq5og9lt8p
    @user-xq5og9lt8p 8 місяців тому +90

    It's truly frightetning how easy it is to appeal to the crowd's "we are better then them" feel

    • @jesseberg3271
      @jesseberg3271 8 місяців тому +16

      Crowds are as intelligent as their least intelligent member. The same is true of their restraint, morality, and compassion.

    • @user-xq5og9lt8p
      @user-xq5og9lt8p 8 місяців тому +7

      ​@@jesseberg3271correction: as their least intelligent member's cognition divided by the number of members

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 8 місяців тому +8

      deeply ingrained human psychology, tribalism is. Might have been useful for litteral tribes in the Stone Age, but not anymore.

    • @BeingFireRetardant
      @BeingFireRetardant 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Game_Hero
      You are still affected by it, and have not in any way risen above it, or evolved past it, you just know it by other names and means. But you have always been, and will always be, tribal.

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 8 місяців тому +7

      @@BeingFireRetardant Never said I didn't, but self-awareness is a first step at limiting its effects.

  • @ThinksFarToMuch
    @ThinksFarToMuch 8 місяців тому +80

    Even though this is a tragic story, I still lost it from laughter at the part where The NY Times has gatling guns 😂

    • @martylund8411
      @martylund8411 8 місяців тому +1

      It was an age where Lincoln sent federal agents to beat up reporters in the North, imprison them without trial, and forcibly deport US citizens to Canada if they something critical of him they wrote in the paper got him angry.
      You'd better believe newspaper men were as strapped as they could be.

    • @GaldirEonai
      @GaldirEonai 8 місяців тому +11

      Around that time Richard Gatling was still trying to get his guns adopted by the Union military so they'd probably have been in there for publicity purposes, allowing for drawings and detailed descriptions to be made (along with possibly some photographs for later reference).
      Fun fact: Mr. Gatling believed his invention would _reduce_ the lethality of war. Didn't quite work out that way, did it...

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 7 місяців тому +5

      ​@@GaldirEonaiAnd the funny thing about Dr. Gatling is that he lived just long enough to make what would become the Minigun by 1895 (essentially attaching an electric motor to an 1873 model Gatling)...

  • @korstmahler
    @korstmahler 8 місяців тому +14

    When someone tells you to hate, at all, you should resist them.

  • @Kellen_Quigley
    @Kellen_Quigley 5 місяців тому +8

    My great-great-great-grandfather was one of the Irish Catholics in New York who was paid $300 by a rich person to fight in their place. He was shot in the cheek during battle and the bullet passed right through so for the rest of his life he had a deep scar on the side of his face. My great-grandfather apparently remembered sitting on his lap as a small boy and putting his hand on and in the scar and thought it was the coolest thing. Thank you so much for doing this video, it was super fascinating!

  • @zacharydavis8197
    @zacharydavis8197 8 місяців тому +26

    Hold up, why did the New York Times have gating gun?
    I want to know more about that!

  • @evanbunch1612
    @evanbunch1612 8 місяців тому +95

    HISTORY TIME

    • @germanfisch
      @germanfisch 8 місяців тому

      This is when extra history said "its history time!" And historied all over the place

  • @thevoxofreason8468
    @thevoxofreason8468 8 місяців тому +17

    I was surprised when "Gangs of New York" essentially ended showing the start of the riots. Upon first seeing the film, I had no idea it was even going to touch on the subject. You're vid has made me want to go watch it again.

  • @yanluoanthony6868
    @yanluoanthony6868 8 місяців тому +24

    Might I also add that the Catholic Church in america was also divided when it came to the civil war. The pope didn’t approve of slavery nor recognize the confederacy but some Catholics and even clergy owned slaves. Like most of the civil war it wasn’t just brothers against brothers it’s Church against church.

    • @clipobserver
      @clipobserver 7 місяців тому +4

      This wouldn't be the only time, Pope Francis supported people taking the COVID vaccine but a good number of Catholics refused.

  • @johnp5250
    @johnp5250 8 місяців тому +13

    History doesn't repeat
    But it definently rhymes

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 8 місяців тому +67

    Thanks for all your hardwork and dedication guys! Your content always makes me more imformed and fills me with joy!😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

  • @Canhistoryismylife
    @Canhistoryismylife 8 місяців тому +77

    It’s interesting to see the role of capital in dictating who had to fight. We hide it much more successfully now of course.

    • @kaltaron1284
      @kaltaron1284 8 місяців тому +4

      Nowadays it's usually just knowing a sympathatic (or worse corrupt) doctor. If your country even still has drafts.

    • @Whattabatt
      @Whattabatt 7 місяців тому

      "bone spurs"

  • @RedWizrobe
    @RedWizrobe 8 місяців тому +75

    Oh, boy! Time to systematically shread my faith in humanity again!
    EDIT: Yep, called it. 200 years later and basically nothing changed. All I can do is remember this line from Don't Be a Sucker:
    "We human beings are not born with prejudices. Always they are made for us. Made by someone who wants something. Remember that when you hear this kind of talk; somebody's going to get something out of it, and it isn't going to be you."

    • @MathGPT
      @MathGPT 8 місяців тому +7

      We are born with brains, brains discriminate and seek out patterns. It’s this process that gets exploited. We are also at fault

    • @tonysoprano..-
      @tonysoprano..- 8 місяців тому +2

      Don't Be a Sucker was such a superb little piece, immediately thought of it on hearing Matt's final line

    • @ASpaceOstrich
      @ASpaceOstrich 8 місяців тому +4

      @@MathGPT Mm. This myth that we're all born pure and clean and only taught to be prejudiced falls apart as soon as you realise that the people who teach it also had to learn it from somewhere. It's an incorrect belief that people hold so that they can tell themselves that they could never be prejudiced like this.
      Everyone is born prejudiced and has to learn not to be, usually by exposure to varied groups and people. Its why people that are well traveled and have met many different types of people generally tend to be less prejudiced, while those from small, non diverse communities who haven't interacted much with the rest of the world generally tend to be more prejudiced.

    • @BeingFireRetardant
      @BeingFireRetardant 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@ASpaceOstrich
      Yes and No.
      Yes, people exposed to a broad spectrum of cultures tend to have a less xenophobic nature.
      No, I don't necessarily think babies are born to hate anyone in particular inherently. They are sans motive.
      People are tribal, and US versus THEM is a fairly natural theme, but can be quickly overcome by change in scenery.
      I never fully understood racism clearly, until I had lunch years ago with my newly arrived Romanian friend. He went on and on about the 'fuggin Hungarians' for hours. Being from a small town in the midwest, I had never met any Hungarians in my life, and had barely heard the word, let alone understood the distinction.
      But in that moment, I grasped hatred for your neighbor, competition for resources, and how bias is manufactured, not inherently ingrained.
      It is almost comical to think about. And to any Magyari reading this, thank you for helping me understand the world better...

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 8 місяців тому +8

    Episode starts with people with torches, going to an orphanage.
    Oh, no.
    Oh, hell, no!

  • @john.harrison
    @john.harrison 8 місяців тому +10

    3 words in and i already can tell this is one of the sad episodes

  • @E.b.c_drum
    @E.b.c_drum 8 місяців тому +40

    One of my reltives captain myles keogh came from ireland and fought in the papel states. He then came to America to fight in the cival war as a captain. He fought at Gettysburg, the second battle of bull run, and a huge list of others and later died at custers last stand. Hes got a wiki page so look him up if you have the time.

  • @cdcastro7986
    @cdcastro7986 8 місяців тому +9

    You guys gotta make a series about Tammany Hall and Tweed.

  • @GallowglassVT
    @GallowglassVT 8 місяців тому +15

    Gangs of New York was the first I'd heard of the Draft Riots, but looking into the actual records of the events... yikes, is all I can say.

  • @redacted229
    @redacted229 8 місяців тому +9

    “Babe wake up, Extra history made another video”

  • @jesseberg3271
    @jesseberg3271 8 місяців тому +13

    A contemporary critic of New York mayor Fernando Wood referred to him as having a walk which was straight and true when he was in front of the people, but "slantindicular" when he was not. Or, to put it another way, he was crooked.

  • @harrison6082
    @harrison6082 7 місяців тому +6

    1:19 It's really surprising how often people think a war will be short.
    Ukraine, Vietnam, ww1, and the American civil war

  • @bionicpun862
    @bionicpun862 8 місяців тому +8

    @extrahistory at 7:25 you say "On january 16th troops returned from the battle of Gettysburg..." I'm pretty sure you mean 'JULY 16th' and that you still had January on the brain from pointing out when the emancipation proclamation was announced.

  • @sharkside8
    @sharkside8 8 місяців тому +8

    What a coincidence, my US History class is currently talking about the Civil War.

    • @jonnunn4196
      @jonnunn4196 8 місяців тому

      This early? When I was in high school and college they would not even reach the election of 1860 until around Thanksgiving. At that time the first US History course ended with Reconstruction and the second started with post Civil War western expansion.

    • @sharkside8
      @sharkside8 8 місяців тому

      @@jonnunn4196 It’s probably because of these two things. We go to different schools, or things changed over time.

  • @srdjan455
    @srdjan455 4 місяці тому +4

    If you want to feel better after watching this video then just rewatch the scene in "gangs of new york" where the mob is gunned down

  • @generalsmite7167
    @generalsmite7167 8 місяців тому +33

    I really happy to see all these more specific episodes on the civil war as it’s really interesting. I would you to see stuff on the start of the civil war with the election of Lincoln.

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, everyone thinks it all started with Fort Sumter, but in reality Confederate troops were seizing federal armories all over the south for months beforehand. They were getting ready for war.

  • @TheIrishvolunteer
    @TheIrishvolunteer 8 місяців тому +13

    I feel such a sorrow at learning of the crimes my countrymen committed against the African American community and those people who went against such a moral evil like slavery during these riots.
    I don’t know how such an event went unmentioned during my schooling.

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 4 місяці тому +1

      It unfortunately is a thing in humans to be tribalistic.
      I would say there is a lot of guilt to be placed at the structure of their society for the depraved conditions many of these people were left in, probably the children of famine survivors.
      The country they went to gave them the worst work and also expected them to fight in a war they probably didnt understand outside the context of this will mean more competition for work-if you survive unscathed from battle and disease.
      And as is mentioned the people that would send them to war don’t even go themselves and were probably much more noticeable given the large absences of working and middle class soldiers.
      None of this is to excuse them but to say they were a horrible outcome of a brutal system

  • @animationfanatic2133
    @animationfanatic2133 6 місяців тому +3

    NY times editor, "so anyway I just started blasting

  • @Al-Is-Gaming
    @Al-Is-Gaming 8 місяців тому +8

    My ancestors came to America in 1849 and settled in Missouri. The blood bath that it was

  • @burninghard
    @burninghard 8 місяців тому +7

    Marginalized groups fighting each other to distract from the fact the upper class takes up all of teh resources? That sounds pretty familiar doesn´t it?

  • @philtkaswahl2124
    @philtkaswahl2124 8 місяців тому +7

    Unfortunately the tactics still work because for the most part people, especially extremely disaffected ones, dislike complexity. And "it's all the fault of these people Not Like You" is all too simple.

  • @FakeBlocks
    @FakeBlocks 8 місяців тому +8

    Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next
    I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!

  • @trinefanmel
    @trinefanmel 7 місяців тому +3

    Wow. Just wow.
    So happy I found this channel otherwise I might never have come across these parts of history. The final message of this video is really important and I wish more people would hear it and learn from it.
    Thanks for all the work you do!

  • @NevsTechBits
    @NevsTechBits 8 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the great content Extra Credits! Every week you top me up with info. You guys rule. Please keep going!!!

  • @apachewolfscornerofthestag3579
    @apachewolfscornerofthestag3579 8 місяців тому +7

    SVP you are just Awesome brother!!

  • @benjaminmatheny6683
    @benjaminmatheny6683 7 місяців тому +5

    I would argue that the Confederate draft exemptions were slightly worse than the Union ones, as the Confederate exemptions applied for free to the wealthy class. i.e. It didn't cost them anything to avoid the draft. At least the Union draft dodgers had to pay something.

  • @That1J1
    @That1J1 7 місяців тому +3

    Could you imagine coming home from the battle of Gettysburg, having just turned the tide of the war for the abolition of slavery, and then having to turn your gun towards your own city thanks to some rich people trying to get richer?

    • @rasheed7934
      @rasheed7934 7 місяців тому

      They weren't fighting to end slavery. Stop the lie.

    • @danomyte67
      @danomyte67 7 місяців тому +4

      @@rasheed7934 it resulted in the end of slavery. So who’s the liar?

  • @mebrychi6504
    @mebrychi6504 8 місяців тому +8

    I love all of your civil war era vids

  • @sasserfamily6425
    @sasserfamily6425 2 місяці тому +2

    Anything more american than having two Gatling guns in a NEWSPAPER OFFICE?

  • @anderskorsback4104
    @anderskorsback4104 7 місяців тому +5

    It's an oversimplification to say that the Democrats at the time were pro-slavery. The Democratic Party had itself had a major schism between Northern and Southern Democrats during the events leading up to the war. Northern Democrats weren't pro-slavery per se, but they were largely pro states' rights, so were opposed to federal interference with slavery. During the war, Northern Democrats themselves were split between pro-war and anti-war. Preserving the support of pro-war democrats was important for the Lincoln administration, which led it to take actions that compromised the war effort, such as appointing prominent pro-war Democrats to high positions of military command that they were poorly suited for.

    • @dastemplar9681
      @dastemplar9681 Місяць тому

      They pressured Lincoln in 1864 to reverse Emancipation. That says enough on where they stood. Democrats by majority were very much for slavery, even moderates with the whole “states rights” argument (which SUCKS btw).

  • @bolokollo5767
    @bolokollo5767 8 місяців тому +6

    „les tuniques bleues“ or in english „the blue coats“ have a very detailed Comic about this event. Even the Gatling Guns from the NY Times are mentioned. It’s worth giving it a look.

  • @stalinnotballen7592
    @stalinnotballen7592 8 місяців тому +2

    got to love a little bit of Extra History

  • @stoopifz
    @stoopifz 8 місяців тому +5

    Wow, we were equally pathetic back then

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 8 місяців тому

      Tbf we haven't had a draft in 50 years, so there's been at least some progress.

    • @chico9805
      @chico9805 8 місяців тому

      ​@@kostakatsoulis2922The only reason why the draft hasn't returned is because it would collapse our fragile society.

    • @OptimusWombat
      @OptimusWombat 8 місяців тому

      @@kostakatsoulis2922 I think he was referring more to the blatant political manipulation by pitting one group against another. It still happens today.

    • @OptimusWombat
      @OptimusWombat 8 місяців тому

      @@chico9805 and the rich can still find ways to avoid it.

  • @skyden24195
    @skyden24195 8 місяців тому +1

    Cannot give enough praise for the relative comparisons between the way back when and the very recent ago.

  • @michaelbarnes5223
    @michaelbarnes5223 8 місяців тому +26

    It's always wild to me when I study the ACW, that the Irish immigrants of NYC could so fiercely defend the union (see the Irish Brigade) while threatening to bring the city to secede itself.

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero 8 місяців тому +1

      the duality of man

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 4 місяці тому

      Wasn’t it the archbishop of New York that threatened to turn the city into another Moscow if churches were attacked by nativists

  • @amyherman7063
    @amyherman7063 8 місяців тому +1

    Looks amazing, I have always loved this show.

  • @bertbaker7067
    @bertbaker7067 8 місяців тому +4

    There's only one war, class war.

  • @MariaVosa
    @MariaVosa 8 місяців тому +2

    Your videos are always excellent. This one however. This one was next level.
    Powerful and poignant.
    💔❤

  • @-jeff-
    @-jeff- 8 місяців тому +3

    Some who learn from the past work hard to make sure it IS repeated.

  • @edits7034
    @edits7034 7 місяців тому +4

    Imagine being a solider for the Union and going off to fight in the biggest bloodiest and most grueling battle fought in American history. Surviving that, then coming back to deal with a bunch of rowdy Irish lunatics. Those guys must of been pooped and they had just seen the worst side of humanity from all angles 😢

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 4 місяці тому

      I would just say that the shitty situation for the people that were sympathetic to the riots really should be appreciated that they had been whipped up into a frenzy of fear and panic by people exploiting their desperate situation for political gain.
      These were the children of a cataclysmic famine whose reward for reaching adulthood was more destitution and a brutal war, which they had been led to believe would mean more competition for what little work they could get.
      None of this is to excuse the horrendous acts, but to say that the situation was created and sustained by an elite that happily played the tensions of desperate people against one another for gain.
      It’s the thing colonial empires did with rival tribes that more modern states do with the poor and disenfranchised

  • @Ranlac_the_Black
    @Ranlac_the_Black 8 місяців тому +2

    That orphanage story really is new to me.

  • @cautionfn1292
    @cautionfn1292 8 місяців тому

    needed this for history class thank you🙏🏽

  • @mannyfernandez1713
    @mannyfernandez1713 8 місяців тому

    If history has taught me something is that any war you think will end quickly, will simply drag on

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea 8 місяців тому +13

    The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't well received by the army when it was implemented. A lot of Union soldiers weren't down with the idea of fighting to free slaves, while troops from South Illonois came close to mutiny and had to be threatened not to desert.

  • @Domesthenes
    @Domesthenes 8 місяців тому +3

    I would love for you guys to do a series on the 54th Massachusetts Infantry.

  • @dextercochran4916
    @dextercochran4916 7 місяців тому +5

    I can feel that ESG score going up from here. Good job, Stooges!

  • @kayeka4123
    @kayeka4123 8 місяців тому +9

    Funny thing is, I imagine that the 300 dollars probably was more useful to the war effort than another warm body would have been. Allowing the rich to buy themselves out of the draft was probably just an easy way to gain funds without having to actually raise taxes on anyone "important".

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 8 місяців тому

      "Warm bodies" and money are needed to win the war. It cannot be "or"...

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 8 місяців тому

      Yeah but people dislike risking their own precious life while another risks some dollars, even if it was half their fortune there would be resentment.

    • @animalia5554
      @animalia5554 5 місяців тому

      Especially before the income tax existed

  • @ZAK31591
    @ZAK31591 7 місяців тому +3

    Imagine slugging it out at Gettysburg for three days and coming home to this. No wonder they opened fire.

  • @Studdblog
    @Studdblog 8 місяців тому +4

    Excellent choice of subject matter

  • @EricTheKei
    @EricTheKei 8 місяців тому +2

    The more things change, the more they stay the same...

  • @AdriLeemput
    @AdriLeemput 7 місяців тому +4

    It always bothers me when people say Lincoln freed the slaves with the Emancipation Declaration, because it is just not true.
    The Declaration is only applicable on territory not controlled/governed by the union.

    • @tylersmith3139
      @tylersmith3139 4 місяці тому +2

      Yeah because northern states had already abolished slavery. That's why the term slave state/ free state exists.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes 2 місяці тому

      And that was the vast majority of the slave population.

    • @AdriLeemput
      @AdriLeemput 2 місяці тому

      @@baneofbanes yes true, but besides the point.
      It's easy to pas a law banning slavery for a territory that you have no jurisdiction over.
      Would have been better if he would have done it for the entire territory the USA claimed jurisdiction over, and not only the part they did not control.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes 2 місяці тому

      @@AdriLeemput except he didn’t have the power to do that. Have you ever actually studied the war?

    • @AdriLeemput
      @AdriLeemput 2 місяці тому

      @@baneofbanes Yes, and he also did not have the power to abolish slavery in a territory he does not control.
      Again: the law excluded all territory that was under control of the Union for abolishing slavery.
      I'm not saying it is a bad thing, I am just pointing out that it was not abolishing slavery in the United States, only in the states that were rebelling against the Union.

  • @sebastiantrummer8838
    @sebastiantrummer8838 8 місяців тому +5

    7:23 - I seriously doubt any troops returned from the Battle of Gettysburg on JANUARY 16

  • @UtahSustainGardening
    @UtahSustainGardening 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you!

  • @tarawalker7193
    @tarawalker7193 2 місяці тому

    Thank you for this channel, from the entirety of my heart!

  • @jorenbosmans8065
    @jorenbosmans8065 8 місяців тому +3

    I love this one. I first learned about these riots from the comics "blue coats" (or what was the name of the union troops). I'm happy to get more info😊

  • @gustavocarvalholoboleite3526
    @gustavocarvalholoboleite3526 8 місяців тому +3

    Hey history credits what you think about make a video about the los angeles riots of 1992?

  • @lagieboyfontanilla3073
    @lagieboyfontanilla3073 8 місяців тому +14

    Hey Extra History UA-cam channel,
    It would be good if you made a series of the Philippine Revolution. Im a Filipino fan of yours so if you made a series about it, it would be great.
    Sincerely,
    Filipino Viewers

  • @jmanj3917
    @jmanj3917 7 місяців тому +3

    8:45 Take a look at the current political landscape if you need an example of this.

  • @xaviersaavedra7442
    @xaviersaavedra7442 8 місяців тому +2

    I remember learning about this on hs. As apart of the civil rights lesson plan

  • @ASPECTICKLE
    @ASPECTICKLE 8 місяців тому +4

    I hate drafts but I think I hate racists more.

  • @jeremy1860
    @jeremy1860 8 місяців тому +23

    I've been opposed to the idea of forcing people to fight in wars all my life. Ever since I learned of what happened to conscientious objectors here in the UK in World War One 😟

    • @MathGPT
      @MathGPT 8 місяців тому +1

      Well you’re gonna have a hard time reading history because basically it’s all wars

    • @jeremy1860
      @jeremy1860 8 місяців тому +3

      @@MathGPT You're not wrong. Every period, in every place, has its dark side, and as someone who has spent his entire life loving and learning history, it's a legitimately difficult thing to reconcile. The fascinating and the horrific, all in equal measure 😟

    • @MatthewCobalt
      @MatthewCobalt 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@MathGPTYou know that it's a specialization, right?

    • @kostakatsoulis2922
      @kostakatsoulis2922 8 місяців тому +1

      Its pretty sad that a lot of European nations are interested in bringing back limited selective service systems in order to combat other mass conscription-based possible enemies.(IE, Russia). You'd think we'd be past that in this day and age, but hey at least it isn't full-on conscription, right?

    • @23tovarm5
      @23tovarm5 8 місяців тому

      @@kostakatsoulis2922well I mean we see how Russia is handling that (very, very poorly)

  • @josephfioretti6851
    @josephfioretti6851 8 місяців тому +2

    He uploaded 🗣🔥

  • @05Matz
    @05Matz 8 місяців тому +4

    Grim history, but something we acutely need to be aware of today.

  • @caelgrayheavens1234
    @caelgrayheavens1234 8 місяців тому +3

    I think the word: DICHOTOMY most Suits this episode🗒

  • @user-es6ru3sc9y
    @user-es6ru3sc9y 6 місяців тому +1

    History repeating itself

  • @nyxsolice
    @nyxsolice 6 місяців тому

    For anyone who is interested in this topic and also likes theater Paradise Square is a lovely musical about some of these events. It has other plots mixed in but the build up to the characters and their respective groups becoming enemies is very well written and worth the watch if you can!

  • @alekseishkurin4590
    @alekseishkurin4590 8 місяців тому +3

    Very timely episode!

    • @sarasamaletdin4574
      @sarasamaletdin4574 8 місяців тому

      How so? What has happened in US that’s similar? I am not American

    • @alekseishkurin4590
      @alekseishkurin4590 8 місяців тому

      @@sarasamaletdin4574 I'm talking more about global events :)

    • @beaglaoich4418
      @beaglaoich4418 4 місяці тому

      @@sarasamaletdin4574​​⁠Dublin had anti immigration riots to our shame a month nearly to the day after this was released

  • @ronaanwer7161
    @ronaanwer7161 8 місяців тому

    I am early to my favorite channel for once, and congrats on 1b views ❤🎉🎉❤

  • @burningtank160
    @burningtank160 8 місяців тому +3

    Oh yeahhh historypostimg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @dreadkalibur1613
    @dreadkalibur1613 8 місяців тому +4

    Gangs of New York movie, i believe, was based on this event?

  • @coyote4237
    @coyote4237 8 місяців тому

    Thank you.

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro 2 місяці тому

    very nice EH! a lot of other channels would have missed the point of what made these riots tragic but not this fine channel! I just hope the message sinks in for many!

  • @nanni-buyerofcopper
    @nanni-buyerofcopper 6 місяців тому +1

    You need to do a series on the civil war overall

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 5 місяців тому

      Racism was covered epicly by 'Some More News', even if we cont count the criticically acclaimed Thanksgiving-Video

  • @Bob-the-1-and-only-blob-fish
    @Bob-the-1-and-only-blob-fish 8 місяців тому +1

    A lottery where the "winner" gets death?! 🤔

  • @commandercorl1544
    @commandercorl1544 8 місяців тому +2

    6:08 What is it with post offices and putting up a good fight against a larger, better armed enemy?

  • @lucky_lynx7867
    @lucky_lynx7867 8 місяців тому +3

    Could you do some more WW1 videos?

  • @deny.nurdin
    @deny.nurdin 8 місяців тому

    Make me wanna rewatch Gank of New York