I have so many questions.. did Mr Moore die en route to the hospital? If not, I assume he was transferred to the hospital’s care, and then he died? Did they keep him in the prone position at the hospital? How did Mr Moore died of asphyxiation if care was transferred. Do not read into this that I codone their action?
@DavidNguyen-vh6nl late reply but he died enroute to the hospital. He was prone and strapped down tightly. He suffacated due to positional asphyxiation. That also means they didnt have him on the monitor. Also a big no no. No EMS worker should ever behave like this. Those are both no no's for patient packaging and transport. As an EMT this is despicable behavior and should have never been tolerated by their supervision or the police. They know, or should know, this is unacceptable.
As a nurse, I agree with you completely. Absolutely no professional medical assessment happening. Completely unacceptable. They deserve the murder charge.
Some people simply don't belong in healthcare in any capacity. It is not just a job, and if you can't at least care about the people you're supposed to help, then you have no place in the field.
It's not like people go into the job not caring. They get worn and beaten down and overloaded with stress. I'm not defending any actions here but if you're going to analyze this event you must look at all sides.
@@jdub204 take a second look at my comment. Maybe you don't understand. I never said anything about murder. I said people enter that job with good intentions and get burned out. You seem to be assuming that the woman was always this way and chose to enter the profession despite it running counter to her personality. You missed the point. I'm not writing about her actions I'm writing about her mood.
@user-cf5fc4kc5k it doesn't matter. Burnout sucks but possibly millions of other healthcare employees suffer exactly the same or worse and still don't kill people so your point is entirely irrelevant.
@@L_Train Even an EMS with burnout should not put a patient in a prone position knowing the end result would be death.A bad mood or burnout is no excuse for what they did.
Even in her mugshot she looks like she has an attitude. Throw them both UNDER THE JAIL. I live in Illinois and not too far from Springfield. This is common. Only this time it's on camera and there is no denying it. Tired of people who look like me getting treated this way! This is EXACTLY why I went to nursing school. To help heal, protect, and advocate for my community. ✊🏿 Rest in peace to this brother and prayers that justice will be served.
@@ashog1426oh, you're sure? You live in this area? You know her personally? You deal with this on a regular basis? 🤔 ...Don't speak on issues that don't pertain to you.
@@ashog1426 I see you failed to answer any of the questions I asked. Like I said, don't speak on issues concerning race to which you have ZERO experience. Feel free to report me to the board of nursing 🤷🏿♂️.
She literally openly displayed it. They both did. You wouldn't know the signs and signals because it doesn't apply to you! Like I said, when you wake up a person of color then you speak on what's racist and what's not. Until then speak on issues that you can relate to and try not to "advise" others on what we should and should not speak on based on your belief of when race is and isn't involved.
I am white and my son is white and he has been treated this way and I have been afraid for his life. It doesn’t matter what color you are some medical professionals are amazing angels and do a wonderful job and some are so horrific you fear for the life of your loved one in their hands. I’m glad this was caught on tape and I pray they go to prison for murder as they did kill him. They get paid to help people. They should be held to an even higher standard than someone else would be. We need to send people to prison when they killed their patients with such horrific misstreatment. We need to make sure that the wonderful people in the medical field stay there and the horrific ones like this are always charged.
Her family might be relieved from her abuse at home as she serves out her prison sentence after trial ruling. She is waaay too comfortable being abusive!
DISRESPECTFUL and IRRESPONSIBLE!!!! To HUMAN LIFE!!!! Their lack of cost them to loose everything!!! Its sad that people can't receive help from EMT'S. Noone should judge a person in distress needing emergency attention. This was exposed. Think about what we don't know!!! Very hurtful!! PRAYING FOR FAMILY 😪
I used to be an EMT right up the road from you. I was at 35 and 50 back in 2017-2019 ish. Once I finish my undergrad my plan is to go to PA school. Great video, hopefully his family gets the justice they deserve. Keep up the good work!
this is why people dont seek medical help. my foot got completely shattered (3 surgeries to fix) and when they showed up, i actually got laughed at in the ambulance. because i was crying. i cried even harder when that happened and the time i got in a car accident i just refused medical attention. i would have just rather died at that point. to this day, unless i really need an antibiotic i will not go to the hospital or doctors. im done.
This happened in my home town of Springfield Illinois. I work at one of the local hospitals and I’ve seen these people before working together and would’ve never thought they would treat someone like this.
My condolences to his family. It is sad that not one of them noticed how critically unwell he was...perhaps he was in metabolic acidosis by now...He needed icu admission and Im sure he would have required being intubated. They were both ill prepared for the initial assessment. Sad sad sad state that he had to go through this...even his partner at the door was already clearly 'over his condition'...I wonder how long she took before calling EMS....if one only knew the final outcome.....it could have had a different outcome. MHDSRIP
I had an EMT try my uncle. He was a hypochondriac and wo call 911 all the time. Lucky for him I am a former RN and made sure the paramedics did the right thing. He had insurance and always paid his bills to the hospital.
?? You’re uncle was a hypochondriac? As in, he did not have any actual illness, just the perception of an illness? If the EMT’s performed an assessment, as a former RN, why would you allow your uncle to be transported by ambulance to the ER?
There could always be that one time, when something serious is going on. That is why EMS has to transport people regardless of the number of times they go to the hospital. You are supposed to give a frequent patient the SAME care as you would anyone else.
@@periloustimes7 same care, as in perform an assessment and make proper suggestions. Of course, they are not allowed to refuse transport, but you are not calculating, problems down the line. Clogging up hospital beds, financial concerns from unneeded hospital and ambulance bills. Or even the simple fact, that the Uncle is needlessly taking up limited resources, such as the ambulance, when alternative transportation could be used. But let’s be honest, most people will utilize an ambulance, thinking they will up the long line at the ER waiting room.
hi! make more of these! I like hearing your input as a PA. So sad to hear this even happened to the poor guy I hope people take their job more seriously :(
Withdrawl can be deadly. This is despicable, inhumane behavior! I don't care how annoyed you may be at having to do your job, you treat human beings with care, and hopefully respect.
When we call EMS here in Toledo they respond with a lot of guys they always assess patient at the same time they are ready to get the patient out of there thank God for Toledo EMS and Toledo firefighters thank you watching this is very sad
The police knew he had alcohol withdrawal. The medics did not know because they hadn't arrived when the cops were told. Then the medics perform zero patient assessment and just get mad at the guy.
He’s in extremis. We are supposed to “treat at the X”….. In the bedroom: Full vitals and 12 lead EKG Pulse ox and ETCO2 Glucose check IV access Use Reeves stretcher to carry him out (don’t think he’s rigid enough for the stairchair) Supine transport with vigilant monitoring for deterioration As an EMS provider I can’t wait till I retire. Too many bozos, older providers who now suck, and young who think they know it all as soon as they graduate
It's crazy because the original UA-cam video for this report has nothing but hateful comments and remarks of people giving excuses on why he asked for it and how his behavior led to them treating him like that I can't imagine in any shape form or fashion it being in a health profession why you would think that that was okay to treat any other human being if you're that bad with people you probably need to get one of those at home jobs with a laptop
EMS is kind of like law enforcement. There's a lot of individuals that do not belong there, but manage to stay... until this happens. I work EMS. I take being a public servant very seriously. The way he slammed this patient on the stretcher was assault. You cannot take anything personally. This is an embarrassment to the EMS community. I hope we're not all stereotyped.
They can't get 1st degree, but only because of politics. Her disregard for the patient was "malice" and that is premeditated. She forced the cops to do her job by refusing to transport him to the ambulance. Had one officer demanded professional behavior and threatened to call her supervisor, none of this would have happened.
This happened tou neighboor he was quitying on his own. He straight up passed out and couldnt feel his extremeties. He would not wake up to sternal rubs so we called the ems. Theybtold is he can walk and literally drug him out. They literally told us hes fine why are you overeacting. Turns out he had acute liver failure and thats what was happeneing. I hate these people and they should not be in health care
They didn't want to do the lifting. That's it. They deserve jail time. Edit: every time I see one of these and it reminds me of someone I know, there's also a possibility that race played a role. Hate to say it, but it's true
RN of 26 years here. This makes me absolutely sick. I hope they're both prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. UNBELIEVABLE
She’s disgusting, I can’t believe she treat anyone this way. Regardless of burnout this is no excuse!
As a former EMT, I have seen many like these two.
Truth. I think people just do it for so long that at some point they fear leaving. Everyone seems to start in EMS all starry-eyed.
I have so many questions.. did Mr Moore die en route to the hospital? If not, I assume he was transferred to the hospital’s care, and then he died? Did they keep him in the prone position at the hospital? How did Mr Moore died of asphyxiation if care was transferred. Do not read into this that I codone their action?
That's awful and scary
@DavidNguyen-vh6nl late reply but he died enroute to the hospital. He was prone and strapped down tightly. He suffacated due to positional asphyxiation. That also means they didnt have him on the monitor. Also a big no no. No EMS worker should ever behave like this. Those are both no no's for patient packaging and transport.
As an EMT this is despicable behavior and should have never been tolerated by their supervision or the police. They know, or should know, this is unacceptable.
Please make an example of these horrible EMT's. Prison lock up
They knew exactly what they were doing they didn't care
As a nurse, I agree with you completely. Absolutely no professional medical assessment happening. Completely unacceptable. They deserve the murder charge.
Some people simply don't belong in healthcare in any capacity. It is not just a job, and if you can't at least care about the people you're supposed to help, then you have no place in the field.
It's not like people go into the job not caring. They get worn and beaten down and overloaded with stress. I'm not defending any actions here but if you're going to analyze this event you must look at all sides.
@user-cf5fc4kc5k no we don't. Burnout doesn't justify or even explain murder.
@@jdub204 take a second look at my comment. Maybe you don't understand. I never said anything about murder. I said people enter that job with good intentions and get burned out. You seem to be assuming that the woman was always this way and chose to enter the profession despite it running counter to her personality. You missed the point. I'm not writing about her actions I'm writing about her mood.
@user-cf5fc4kc5k it doesn't matter. Burnout sucks but possibly millions of other healthcare employees suffer exactly the same or worse and still don't kill people so your point is entirely irrelevant.
@@L_Train Even an EMS with burnout should not put a patient in a prone position knowing the end result would be death.A bad mood or burnout is no excuse for what they did.
Even in her mugshot she looks like she has an attitude. Throw them both UNDER THE JAIL. I live in Illinois and not too far from Springfield. This is common. Only this time it's on camera and there is no denying it. Tired of people who look like me getting treated this way! This is EXACTLY why I went to nursing school. To help heal, protect, and advocate for my community. ✊🏿
Rest in peace to this brother and prayers that justice will be served.
@@ashog1426oh, you're sure? You live in this area? You know her personally? You deal with this on a regular basis? 🤔 ...Don't speak on issues that don't pertain to you.
@@ashog1426 I see you failed to answer any of the questions I asked. Like I said, don't speak on issues concerning race to which you have ZERO experience. Feel free to report me to the board of nursing 🤷🏿♂️.
She literally openly displayed it. They both did. You wouldn't know the signs and signals because it doesn't apply to you! Like I said, when you wake up a person of color then you speak on what's racist and what's not.
Until then speak on issues that you can relate to and try not to "advise" others on what we should and should not speak on based on your belief of when race is and isn't involved.
I am white and my son is white and he has been treated this way and I have been afraid for his life. It doesn’t matter what color you are some medical professionals are amazing angels and do a wonderful job and some are so horrific you fear for the life of your loved one in their hands. I’m glad this was caught on tape and I pray they go to prison for murder as they did kill him. They get paid to help people. They should be held to an even higher standard than someone else would be. We need to send people to prison when they killed their patients with such horrific misstreatment. We need to make sure that the wonderful people in the medical field stay there and the horrific ones like this are always charged.
@@shannon2740 Hush Karen. Always gotta be one to the rescue screaming "color doesn't matter" 🙄😒
Utter incompetence and lack of professionalism. Jail those two incompetents for life.
Why be in a field where you are paid to be helping people......
If you do not want to help people.
@bunny_yt1556this^^^ I’ve seen too many nurses like this.
Her family might be relieved from her abuse at home as she serves out her prison sentence after trial ruling.
She is waaay too comfortable being abusive!
DISRESPECTFUL and IRRESPONSIBLE!!!! To HUMAN LIFE!!!! Their lack of cost them to loose everything!!! Its sad that people can't receive help from EMT'S. Noone should judge a person in distress needing emergency attention. This was exposed. Think about what we don't know!!! Very hurtful!! PRAYING FOR FAMILY 😪
I'M A FIRST RESPONDER NOW FOR 32 YEARS AND NEVER SEEN SUCH CARELESS STUFF THEY ALL DESERVE WHAT'S COMING TO THEM THIS IS DISGUSTING AS HECK
I used to be an EMT right up the road from you. I was at 35 and 50 back in 2017-2019 ish. Once I finish my undergrad my plan is to go to PA school.
Great video, hopefully his family gets the justice they deserve. Keep up the good work!
Another reminder to try and be as compassionate and patient with my patients as possible.
Sad loss for someone who needed help ❤
this is why people dont seek medical help. my foot got completely shattered (3 surgeries to fix) and when they showed up, i actually got laughed at in the ambulance. because i was crying. i cried even harder when that happened and the time i got in a car accident i just refused medical attention. i would have just rather died at that point. to this day, unless i really need an antibiotic i will not go to the hospital or doctors. im done.
The police allowed it to happen though, why aren't they fired? They watched everything go down they didn't say anything at all, they just watched.
This happened in my home town of Springfield Illinois. I work at one of the local hospitals and I’ve seen these people before working together and would’ve never thought they would treat someone like this.
The worst thing that would have happened if they did it correctly would have been him throwing up .
Has she dealt with him before? What is she so angry about? Why have that job?
He probably was a frequent flyer. Didn't make it right
They treated this man who needed help like a piece of trash.
Alcohol withdrawls are fucked up, tried cold turkey and i had a fuckin seizure o,0. this is terrifying
Thanks for bringing this up better than them saving a life
I probably would have intubated the pt on the spot. What they did was criminal
Hope they are LOCKED away! They need to reflect for a few years.
As an EMT, I can confirm that the actions of these paramedics are absolutely despicable. They should never be allowed to practice medicine again.
Whoa. This is shocking. Very good coverage and commentary; thank you for getting it out there.
My condolences to his family. It is sad that not one of them noticed how critically unwell he was...perhaps he was in metabolic acidosis by now...He needed icu admission and Im sure he would have required being intubated. They were both ill prepared for the initial assessment. Sad sad sad state that he had to go through this...even his partner at the door was already clearly 'over his condition'...I wonder how long she took before calling EMS....if one only knew the final outcome.....it could have had a different outcome. MHDSRIP
I had an EMT try my uncle. He was a hypochondriac and wo call 911 all the time. Lucky for him I am a former RN and made sure the paramedics did the right thing. He had insurance and always paid his bills to the hospital.
?? You’re uncle was a hypochondriac? As in, he did not have any actual illness, just the perception of an illness? If the EMT’s performed an assessment, as a former RN, why would you allow your uncle to be transported by ambulance to the ER?
There could always be that one time, when something serious is going on. That is why EMS has to transport people regardless of the number of times they go to the hospital. You are supposed to give a frequent patient the SAME care as you would anyone else.
@@periloustimes7 same care, as in perform an assessment and make proper suggestions. Of course, they are not allowed to refuse transport, but you are not calculating, problems down the line. Clogging up hospital beds, financial concerns from unneeded hospital and ambulance bills. Or even the simple fact, that the Uncle is needlessly taking up limited resources, such as the ambulance, when alternative transportation could be used. But let’s be honest, most people will utilize an ambulance, thinking they will up the long line at the ER waiting room.
hi! make more of these! I like hearing your input as a PA. So sad to hear this even happened to the poor guy I hope people take their job more seriously :(
The EMTs should rather join the police if they have no empathy for sick people.
Withdrawl can be deadly. This is despicable, inhumane behavior! I don't care how annoyed you may be at having to do your job, you treat human beings with care, and hopefully respect.
It’s insane to think this is EMS.
When we call EMS here in Toledo they respond with a lot of guys they always assess patient at the same time they are ready to get the patient out of there thank God for Toledo EMS and Toledo firefighters thank you watching this is very sad
Homicide. The cops were trying to be helpful. The EMTs seem to be hateful.
He pushed the sick man on the bed. That's assault.
Someone in alcohol withdrawl should be given benzos immediately. Alcohol withdrawl is the only withdrawl that can kill.
Thank you my brother ✊🏿❤️✊🏿😭😭👹👱🏻♀️👹🧔👹
The police knew he had alcohol withdrawal. The medics did not know because they hadn't arrived when the cops were told. Then the medics perform zero patient assessment and just get mad at the guy.
They told the Hospital on the way that they aren’t taking vitals because they don’t want to “poke the bear”
If that's true, that's crazy!
And the cherry on top I bet they billed them to kill him.
they are all complicit, no one, not even his wife/girlfriend spoke up... wtf
He’s in extremis. We are supposed to “treat at the X”…..
In the bedroom:
Full vitals and 12 lead EKG
Pulse ox and ETCO2
Glucose check
IV access
Use Reeves stretcher to carry him out (don’t think he’s rigid enough for the stairchair)
Supine transport with vigilant monitoring for deterioration
As an EMS provider I can’t wait till I retire. Too many bozos, older providers who now suck, and young who think they know it all as soon as they graduate
It's crazy because the original UA-cam video for this report has nothing but hateful comments and remarks of people giving excuses on why he asked for it and how his behavior led to them treating him like that I can't imagine in any shape form or fashion it being in a health profession why you would think that that was okay to treat any other human being if you're that bad with people you probably need to get one of those at home jobs with a laptop
She sounds like she’s his mother
Like a mother talking to their little kid.
EMS is kind of like law enforcement. There's a lot of individuals that do not belong there, but manage to stay... until this happens. I work EMS. I take being a public servant very seriously. The way he slammed this patient on the stretcher was assault. You cannot take anything personally. This is an embarrassment to the EMS community. I hope we're not all stereotyped.
They can't get 1st degree, but only because of politics. Her disregard for the patient was "malice" and that is premeditated. She forced the cops to do her job by refusing to transport him to the ambulance. Had one officer demanded professional behavior and threatened to call her supervisor, none of this would have happened.
This happened tou neighboor he was quitying on his own. He straight up passed out and couldnt feel his extremeties. He would not wake up to sternal rubs so we called the ems. Theybtold is he can walk and literally drug him out. They literally told us hes fine why are you overeacting. Turns out he had acute liver failure and thats what was happeneing. I hate these people and they should not be in health care
Was he in delirium tremens?
They didn't want to do the lifting. That's it. They deserve jail time. Edit: every time I see one of these and it reminds me of someone I know, there's also a possibility that race played a role. Hate to say it, but it's true