@AG Coarseman the paint is based on the Acid Mint/Turquoise that comes on the SL6. I had an Orange Tarmac that got written off, so wanted another orange bike to replace it. I also have a S-Works SL6 in Chameleon Supernova. So at least my other bike is nice 😉
Manon has quickly become a really great part of the GCN team. From her maniacal use of power tools or pressure washers to her enthusiasm for a gold chain, she brings a real sense of fun to the job.
The Bike Vault this week was the most enjoyable EVER! the chemistry between Manon and Olie is tremendously perfect! They are like brother and sister, two peas in a pod and yet different sides of the same coin. The back and forth, facial expressions, teases and genuine laughs make this show one of my favorites of all time. Well done, folks! That was fun!.
1) Make those shirts 2) Never be sorry for having high "super nice" standards 2.1) I wrote #2 before you let that shiv pass as super nice 2.2) Please reinstate the aforementioned high "super nice" standards
I love high standards. People in the app just see a super bike and immediately vote super nice even if valves aren't aligned and crank isn't at 3 o'clock. For me, it has to be spot on to get the super nice, I don't care if it was €800 or €8000.
@@serdiezv does valve position really change how nice the bike is? The wheel rolls anyway. Same with gear selection, that's what those shifter things are for. If Ollie doesn't want to have to submit bikes to the vault just for being "correct", judge the bike, not the photo
@@serdiezv Being too bureaucratic on lining things up is not a good thing, either. I hate it when bikes get dissed for not being in the 11 cog even though they are in the big ring.
@@ltu42 I'll let some pass, if it's just that valves aren't aligned I'll still give the bike a super nice. But it's cumulative. Why are there bike vault rules if we aren't going to adhere to them?
I find this obsession about bike weight and frame weight interesting amongst journos and manufacturers on new model releases. Yet on the manufacturer's website they rarely have the total weight of the bike included in the specs. Why? Why the lack of transparency?
Rei coop is the only outlet I can find that posts their bike weight. Legit appreciate the transparency especially since their bikes lean on the heavy side.
@@eoinkelly2674 you realize they could report the weight based on the size? For example, they could create a chart with all the sizes they offer with their corresponding weights.
@GCNTech Hahaha I knew catching my finger on the lens would get picked up. It is actually an S-Works frame (says on the chainstay, and has been confirmed by Specialized UK), the damage was from a dropped chain that chewed through the chainstay. Wheels and tyres are just temporary until my new ones arrive.
As a comparison I went round the Elan Valley on a Giant Yukon in 1:03 something and a Saracen Helix in 1:00:14 - a 16.8 mile loop with a monster climb at the start up the Aberystwyth mountain road. The Giant Yukon is about 15 kg of bike and the Saracen Helix about 10-11 kg.
Well it was a S-works frame before... first generations S-works had the "logo" on the chain stays as you can see at minute 18:11 of the video... Sorry Ollie :)
12:55 that's actually a pretty good idea! 13:15 haven't S&S been making frame couplings for years? I don't know if they do the hydraulic coupler yet but still...
14:50 Jota is actually pronounced as in Spanish after FIA racing regulations appendix J. The Spanish pronunciation (a bit like 'hota') is due to the fact that the Italian alphabet is missing the letter J completely together with K, W, X and Y while h only exists as a modifier to a preceding C or G.
The Sigma Blaze Rear Light (25€) has been out for around year and does the accelerometer brake thing too. It also has an auto-mode were it turns on when it gets dark. I think you guys even talked about it. Weird to have someone market the Lezyne light as something new when you‘ve had a similar thing on your bike already for months
Something that i don't feel was considered during your evaluation. You showed a savings on A climb. What about the distance covered to get TO the climb. How much savings are added up to that point. Now consider the seconds saved here, and there, and add then up over the span of the race. The savings now becomes much much larger. If the race was only the single climb, then sure, not significant, but over the span of the race, it now becomes pretty large. Simply, you have a power to weight ratio to consider, and it takes more power to push more weight. Over three weeks, if it takes more power to push said weight, then you will not be as efficient.
That is a ‘21 Émonda not a Madone. Although the latest version of the former now has an aero design similar to that of the latter, the seat mast is a clear difference between the two.
Really interesting segment about the importance of bike weight, thank you for this, no judgements just number crunching with interesting results! Will make us feel better about bike frames. One other interesting weight saving place is your inner tubes, a lot of weight in there! Maybe in the end the most important thing is gearing?
Hi Olli and Manon, glad to see you both. Olli you missed that the tri bike wheel were not lined up, valve were taped and at 2;00 and 7:00. The front wheel needed to turn 240 degrees
I thought he referred to the effective stopping performance between the two systems on descents. Still, I watch his videos when I need a bit of a chuckle....not for sensible advice or information.
I would choose the lightweight bike. Once upon a time I got to touch Peter Sagan's Cannondale Evo in the waiting room of Cannondale Wilton CT. I was blown away by how light it was. I just want to know what it feels like to go up a local climb on a 14 lbs bike. My CAAD 13 is pretty darn heavy !
Ollie, In the screw up grades buy upgrades your mistaken the Specialized was a 2009 Specialized S-works team frame. Originally sold as a frame and fork only as indicated by teh BSA threaded bottom bracket, the module with cranks or S-Works complete bikes came with a BB30 and Specialized carbon crank. I have the same bike with the BSA BB and love it!
But... if your bike weighs more then you probably can't put out the same power for the same time. So not only do you go slower on a heavier bike but you also get tired faster. Probably 1 more reason why the pros don't want to ride Disc bikes?
Aero is life. Aero or life question, who knows? Mid 80's bikes with external routings for down tube shifting and brakes. If you find a wind tunnel, I'd be interested with drag numbers. Mullet guy would be awesome for this vid.
Good point ! Up hill you might want more weight over the front wheel , or weight lower down in the bike ! Sure the top frame designers have tried many different combinations
I bought a 2020 Tarmac pro because it's way lighter then my Fuji 2.5, now climbing hills isn't the struggle it used to be and coming out of the saddle is so much easier on the Tarmac plus it's also really aero which helps in the headwinds when you go into the drops.I switched my Hutchinson Fusion5 tyres to lighter Pirelli P Zero's tubeless of course , saved a few grams.
What can you tell about Mark Hirschi's (Sunweb) jersey and how it didn't rip on such a high speed crash. Dyneema??? When can we see it is shops for the common/slower cyclist like myself? What should we expect with regards to price?
It's not a massive saving but the bike feel is massive. I've got an 8.2kg bike and a 6.8kg bike - the difference in feel is incredible and I can accelerate more quickly uphill.
@ GCN Tech - Surprised you didn't talk about the trade off in having a full bottle or two on the climb comparison! I feel like every tour has video of riders tossing bottles on climbs.
Does the plastic barrier thingy extend beyond the back of the table? If not, it's not really separating the two presenters. But it should prevent viruses spreading between the two laptops.
I once got paced up Mt. Diablo by a teammate. We traded pulls, but he did about 60-70% of the work, because he was slightly stronger than me. Took something like four minutes off my time. That's crazy.
For a while I became obsessed with bike weight on the bike i ride on hilly routes. I got it down to 15.4 LBS with and alloy frame. I experienced an injury that has put my fast riding and climbing days behind me. I had to go from a 56/34 front 12-25 rear to a 46/32 front 12-40 rear and still find my self in a lot of pain and a knee swelling to be unusable the next day.
To be fair, frame couplers are nothing new. S&S couplers have been around for years, mainly on touring bikes, and they are a little more bulky, but a splittable frame is nothing new.
Hi Guys, couldn't help myself to few corrections to your maths... In the bike calculator you enter either total elevation or an average gradient of a climb, NOT BOTH, see your mistake in the screenshots provided. That throws off your results. Also your 1st screenshots are for drops calculation even though you were talking about hoods position. Corrections: total ascent with 6.8kg bike in hoods takes 62.80 mins which is 62mins and 48sec, that's 15.6seconds faster than with 7.2kg bike (63.06mins = 63min and 3.6sec), in the drops for 6.8kg bike is 61.44 mins (61min and 26.4sec) which is 16seconds faster than 7.2kg bike (61.71mins = 61min and 42.6sec) and that's 1min and 21.6seconds faster than in hoods position for the same bike weight. When it comes to 8kg bike vs 6.8kg bike you loose 46.2 seconds in hoods and 47.4 seconds in drops position. All this only tells a part of the story. I have the advantage of watching the video after TdF raced up Col de la Loze and with some of the pros uploading to strava and few even uploading their power file, I was able to look in more detail what difference could a bike weight make. Rider weight was extracted from www.procyclingstats.com (this could be subject to margin for miscalculation). Can't draw too much conclusions from Madouas, Carapaz or Verona's data even though they climbed the climb with nearly the same power to weight 5.4, 5.38 and 5.23 watts per kg it took Madouas 67mins and 30secs, 68mins and 5secs for Carapaz but 70mins and 13secs in Verona's case. Robert Gesinks data in service of Primoz Roglic showed 333watts at 4.75watts per kg and a time of 79mins and 8seconds on one of the lightest aero bikes in the pro peloton at the moment, rim braked Bianchi Oltre. In the group of 20 riders 25:17 down on stage winner we can find 3 riders from the same team Vital Concept all riding same KTM bike and riders of similar height Chevalier 1.78m and 60kg, Barthe 1.84m and 67kg with Pacher 1.79m and 62kg, one can assume they were riding same frame. Still 251watts 4.18 watts per Kg for Chevalier doesn't quite compare to 4.32watts per kg of Barthe or 4.38watts per Kg of Pacher. Noticeable Oliver Naesen had to produce significantly more - 4.66 watts per kg to finish in the same group. This doesn't reflect the fact how much work at the front of the group was undertaken by each rider. Best way to understand disparity in weight up a climb let's assume same rider (65kg with 380watts) will be climbing 2 different bikes 7kg and 7.5kg (typical diffrence between a rim brake and a disc brake bike) side by side, so we are taking slipstreaming out of the picture. 2 diffrent sections of a climb 1km at 16% and 1km at 12%. Why 16 and 12 percent, because that will take out aero benefit while climbing and we can focus purely on power to weight and difference that makes in a slight 0.5kg weight penalty. If we input the details into the bike calculator we get a 1km section of 12% climbed in 4.21min with 14.27km/h for 7kg bike and 4.23min with 14.18km/h for 7.5kg bike. That seems like a fraction and almost insignificant, but that's 90meters difference if we climbed for and hour and 6.5m difference for 4.23min duration. That's a difference a heavier bike can make, you can loose a wheel in a group over a steep section. 6.5m - that's over 3 bike lengths at which you will loose any aero benefit from the group ahead and if you fail to increase your effort and close the gap quick enough, you will push very quickly into the red and could end up loosing a lot more than a few seconds over a 21.5km climb on a heavier bike. Similarly for 16% 1km section this results in bigger 8meter gap, as weight matters more the steeper the climb. It might be a coincidence that the 2 strongest riders in this years Tour de France are on rim brakes (Rog and Pog), but also could be the result of marginal gains as a certain british team was doing for years. And resisting the move to using disc brakes. They probably made the best decision in their lifetime, as we see in this years Tour de France, it's not so easy nor quick to service a puncture on a disc brake bike, riders often change the whole bike. Also neutral service through narrow sections only carries rim brake wheels as Ritchie Porte found out (nearly lost him 4th place in GC) on stage 18 when he punctured in the gravel sector.
I really like a lot the way Nairo Quintana has made himself the reference pound by pound or watt per kg as the man to crush every KOM in the roads ... and he is not even trying sometime to do it or even not at his best, because there is a thing the calculator does not take in consideration the ks or hrs of racing behind a cyclist when they take the climbs
Top teams seem to be using rim brakes, the lightest wheels possible and even taking paint off their race bikes to make them as light as possible but still hit 6.8kg. Likely with weights in the BB or crankset. Down low and no rotating mass. So it must matter.
How would the calculations change if the power was halved? I'm thinking the marginal watt gains from decreasing rolling resistance and increasing aerodynamics may be more effective than chasing weight.
Could you please let us know what gears (outer & inner rings as well as sprockets) and eventually what gearing did Pogacar and Roglic used in the latter part of the Stage 20 ITT in TdF 2020? I am specifically interested in the bikes they used for the last 5kms (hilly part). Thanks
You didn't even mention those neon pink tires on the first Nice Bike had NO VALVES! They must be an airless type of tire! Not enough to make it Super Nice, but it should count for something..
Well I'd be surprised if that's not the easiest and biggest margin of winner in the bike upgrade segment. The 2nd bike was in a totally different class.
No socks to win the Tour de France! Absolutely who remembers Zola Budd an athlete who won loads but caused such a cufuffle by running long distance without shoes.
I am FAR MORE concerned about bike prices, than I am about bike weight. Having to go into debt just to buy even a mid-range bike these days makes it exponentially harder to get up hills.
From personal experience I feel the weight has more impact on a lighter rider, I’m 52 kilos, my Bianchi Specialissima is spot on 6.8 kilos inc pedals, bottle cages, Garmin mounts and power meter, my Bianchi Oltre with the same spec weighs 7.5 kilos, on a local 1.2 mile climb around 9% gradient the lighter bike is 30 seconds faster riding the same power! This figure is hugely different to the online calculator, personally I would always go with the lighter bike over the aero heavier bike.
I hope GCN does know smart lights with brake indicators have been around for years right? :o) See.Sense lights, Beryl's Burner Brake, and even the Revolights all have had them for at least 2 years if not many more brands??
What would you choose to ride at the Tour de France? A Lightweight bike or an Aero bike? Let us know in the comments 👇
...Both?...
Rim brakes for a start. Next areo.
a motorbike. there is no other way I would be able to keep up with those athletes
aero forever
Pinarello dogma f12 dream bike
It was an S-Works frame. It's written on the chainstay on the "before" picture.
I was going to say the same thing.
@AG Coarseman the paint is based on the Acid Mint/Turquoise that comes on the SL6. I had an Orange Tarmac that got written off, so wanted another orange bike to replace it.
I also have a S-Works SL6 in Chameleon Supernova. So at least my other bike is nice 😉
@@kimberlystewart8980 👍
I love the paint scheme. It looks really well applied too.
Hi Ollie and Manon 🤗 ... that’s my “pink bike” 🚴🏻♀️ Thank you for having it featured on this show... Love it 💓😊
your bike is a super nice machine ....we say "girly" no????cheers from france...
FIVE STARS thank you 😊
It's a Super Nice all day long!!
Lots of effort gone into that Pink Panther!!
I don’t need the „aero is life“- T-Shirt.
T-Shirts are not aero. ;)
MVP comment
You need to wear skinsuit jersey in your casual walks because of less wind resistance
your birthday suit wtih a shave is the most aero of all.
It'd be for the coffee shop as a conversation starter.
You can always get it tattooed on your birthday suit
Manon has quickly become a really great part of the GCN team. From her maniacal use of power tools or pressure washers to her enthusiasm for a gold chain, she brings a real sense of fun to the job.
The Bike Vault this week was the most enjoyable EVER! the chemistry between Manon and Olie is tremendously perfect! They are like brother and sister, two peas in a pod and yet different sides of the same coin. The back and forth, facial expressions, teases and genuine laughs make this show one of my favorites of all time. Well done, folks! That was fun!.
"Aero is Life" T-shirt?! I might need to get me one of those!
I'm too far in my weight weenie build to turn back now.... getting under 6kg won't do shit for my times but it will lift my spirits
Just consider it an end to itself, like collecting stamps. It is a cool hobby!
1) Make those shirts
2) Never be sorry for having high "super nice" standards
2.1) I wrote #2 before you let that shiv pass as super nice
2.2) Please reinstate the aforementioned high "super nice" standards
I love high standards. People in the app just see a super bike and immediately vote super nice even if valves aren't aligned and crank isn't at 3 o'clock. For me, it has to be spot on to get the super nice, I don't care if it was €800 or €8000.
@@serdiezv does valve position really change how nice the bike is? The wheel rolls anyway. Same with gear selection, that's what those shifter things are for. If Ollie doesn't want to have to submit bikes to the vault just for being "correct", judge the bike, not the photo
@@serdiezv Being too bureaucratic on lining things up is not a good thing, either. I hate it when bikes get dissed for not being in the 11 cog even though they are in the big ring.
@@ltu42 I'll let some pass, if it's just that valves aren't aligned I'll still give the bike a super nice. But it's cumulative.
Why are there bike vault rules if we aren't going to adhere to them?
The chemistry was off the scale in this episode
Yea when’s the baby due? And can I come to the wedding?
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Was a bit awkward for sure 😅 😂
Agreed! Oli definitely raises his game!
I find this obsession about bike weight and frame weight interesting amongst journos and manufacturers on new model releases. Yet on the manufacturer's website they rarely have the total weight of the bike included in the specs. Why? Why the lack of transparency?
Yeah, it's totally annoying. You cannot know whether the bike weighs 11 kg or 9 kg, gotta search through the internet for reviews.
Rei coop is the only outlet I can find that posts their bike weight. Legit appreciate the transparency especially since their bikes lean on the heavy side.
This is a great point! I feel like they want to be able to claim the bike is x% lighter for every new model they release.
Manufacturers quote the weight of a small sized bike when they quote weights!
@@eoinkelly2674 you realize they could report the weight based on the size?
For example, they could create a chart with all the sizes they offer with their corresponding weights.
I don't think the cassette in the Emonda in 22:44 is filthy, it's just a black color cassette; the one that comes with the SRAM Force eTap AXS.
exactly !!!!!
@GCNTech Hahaha I knew catching my finger on the lens would get picked up. It is actually an S-Works frame (says on the chainstay, and has been confirmed by Specialized UK), the damage was from a dropped chain that chewed through the chainstay.
Wheels and tyres are just temporary until my new ones arrive.
Please GCN never loose these 2. In fact the whole team is my favourite GCN team so far.
“Cassette is filthy” ... on a black Cassette 😐
Nooo Ollie, the trek emonda-sram force is a black cassette. 99% sure
It 100% is. Sram Force AXS cassettes are black. I'm kind of disappointed Ollie didn't know that, seeing as he's one of the tech presenters, tbh.
i have got the sram force etap axs group .The cassette is black!!!
As a comparison I went round the Elan Valley on a Giant Yukon in 1:03 something and a Saracen Helix in 1:00:14 - a 16.8 mile loop with a monster climb at the start up the Aberystwyth mountain road. The Giant Yukon is about 15 kg of bike and the Saracen Helix about 10-11 kg.
Well it was a S-works frame before... first generations S-works had the "logo" on the chain stays as you can see at minute 18:11 of the video... Sorry Ollie :)
If you won the TDF with no socks, you’d have plenty of money to buy blister cream. Plus you could sign a sponsorship deal with that company.😂
That Spitfire is at Grangemouth Scotland. The Spitfire and Hurricane at Biggin Hill (where I fly from upon occasion) are GZL and QJK.
“Are you like 12!?” 😂
So Manon got that ring on, huh 💍
Must be one lucky bastard.
Pogacar climbed this col in 61 mins 11 seconds! That calculator was pretty darn accurate.
12:55 that's actually a pretty good idea!
13:15 haven't S&S been making frame couplings for years? I don't know if they do the hydraulic coupler yet but still...
Like you two doing the tech show... good chemistry 👍🏼
On the Shiv, the trip-spokes were not lined up. You were being so persnickety on the others. Did you just have to ring the bell?
Huge chimney too👎
Aren’t that emonda sram force cassette is black colour originally? 🤦♂️
indeed!
yeah they are black
it's force it's a black casette lool
Yep, not so techy is he lol
14:50 Jota is actually pronounced as in Spanish after FIA racing regulations appendix J. The Spanish pronunciation (a bit like 'hota') is due to the fact that the Italian alphabet is missing the letter J completely together with K, W, X and Y while h only exists as a modifier to a preceding C or G.
The Sigma Blaze Rear Light (25€) has been out for around year and does the accelerometer brake thing too. It also has an auto-mode were it turns on when it gets dark. I think you guys even talked about it. Weird to have someone market the Lezyne light as something new when you‘ve had a similar thing on your bike already for months
Right, lezyne is not the first
Something that i don't feel was considered during your evaluation. You showed a savings on A climb. What about the distance covered to get TO the climb. How much savings are added up to that point. Now consider the seconds saved here, and there, and add then up over the span of the race. The savings now becomes much much larger. If the race was only the single climb, then sure, not significant, but over the span of the race, it now becomes pretty large. Simply, you have a power to weight ratio to consider, and it takes more power to push more weight. Over three weeks, if it takes more power to push said weight, then you will not be as efficient.
Shhhhh Stop spoiling his narrative and shares in aero wheels .
For most of us, 17 seconds on the climb doesn't mean much, but for pros, it can be a difference between winning and 10th place.
That is a ‘21 Émonda not a Madone. Although the latest version of the former now has an aero design similar to that of the latter, the seat mast is a clear difference between the two.
Really interesting segment about the importance of bike weight, thank you for this, no judgements just number crunching with interesting results! Will make us feel better about bike frames. One other interesting weight saving place is your inner tubes, a lot of weight in there! Maybe in the end the most important thing is gearing?
18:20 you can see S-Works on the chain stay, probably it's the 2009 model, I have the same SL3 frame as Simon had~
Great chemistry. Manon has really hit her stride.
the SRAM FORCE cassette is black as stock
Hi Olli and Manon, glad to see you both. Olli you missed that the tri bike wheel were not lined up, valve were taped and at 2;00 and 7:00. The front wheel needed to turn 240 degrees
Manon's face when Oli says, "wowsers!" Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
According to Durianrider, the difference in weight between rimbrakes and disc brakes are the only factor in determining if you win or lose the TdF 😂
According to Durianrider, motorcycles should use rim brakes
infinati that would definitely make them lighter, faster, and have better gas mileage :D
I thought he referred to the effective stopping performance between the two systems on descents. Still, I watch his videos when I need a bit of a chuckle....not for sensible advice or information.
AG Coarseman the tour was won on rim brakes lmao.
I would choose the lightweight bike. Once upon a time I got to touch Peter Sagan's Cannondale Evo in the waiting room of Cannondale Wilton CT. I was blown away by how light it was.
I just want to know what it feels like to go up a local climb on a 14 lbs bike. My CAAD 13 is pretty darn heavy !
Ollie, In the screw up grades buy upgrades your mistaken the Specialized was a 2009 Specialized S-works team frame. Originally sold as a frame and fork only as indicated by teh BSA threaded bottom bracket, the module with cranks or S-Works complete bikes came with a BB30 and Specialized carbon crank. I have the same bike with the BSA BB and love it!
Sounds ideal!
Sram Force Cassettes are default black....not silver so it looked dirty but it wasn't!
love manon, and gcn :)
But... if your bike weighs more then you probably can't put out the same power for the same time. So not only do you go slower on a heavier bike but you also get tired faster.
Probably 1 more reason why the pros don't want to ride Disc bikes?
If I had one bike I could buy, it would be an Aero bike over a light weight bike
Really Ollie? Did you just say: "Wowsers" ? That's fantastic. LOL
The sl2 said sworks on the chainstays not the big tube like we see now so it was an sworks all along
Aero is life. Aero or life question, who knows? Mid 80's bikes with external routings for down tube shifting and brakes. If you find a wind tunnel, I'd be interested with drag numbers. Mullet guy would be awesome for this vid.
In the past, didn't Ollie disapprove the cowbell ? He nowadays seems to embrace it!
Yup he did. But Manon loves the bell, so Ollie now likes the bell. Not heard either of them mentioned having a partner...
@@chrispalmer3096 Manon is engaged
Does it make a bike faster to move weight from one part of the bike to the other? Lighter wheels with heavier frame for instance?
Good point ! Up hill you might want more weight over the front wheel , or weight lower down in the bike ! Sure the top frame designers have tried many different combinations
I bought a 2020 Tarmac pro because it's way lighter then my Fuji 2.5, now climbing hills isn't the struggle it used to be and coming out of the saddle is so much easier on the Tarmac plus it's also really aero which helps in the headwinds when you go into the drops.I switched my Hutchinson Fusion5 tyres to lighter Pirelli P Zero's tubeless of course , saved a few grams.
What can you tell about Mark Hirschi's (Sunweb) jersey and how it didn't rip on such a high speed crash. Dyneema??? When can we see it is shops for the common/slower cyclist like myself? What should we expect with regards to price?
Thanks very much for the coverage, GCN! Means a great deal to us 'little guys' to get a shout out. @22bikes
RIP Bike Vault - when a Shiv set up as a road bike and running Gatorskins makes it in, you know it’s jumped the shark.
It's not a massive saving but the bike feel is massive. I've got an 8.2kg bike and a 6.8kg bike - the difference in feel is incredible and I can accelerate more quickly uphill.
Yeah, hi, where do I purchase this "Aero is Lyfe" t-shirt you're selling?
@ GCN Tech - Surprised you didn't talk about the trade off in having a full bottle or two on the climb comparison! I feel like every tour has video of riders tossing bottles on climbs.
The only climb I have to worry about in Miami is the Key Biscayne bridge.
300 grams is the weight of my daily cup of coffee, it seems difficult to believe that the weight of this would cost me ~13 seconds up that climb.
But does 300 grammes really make 13 second difference ?? In tour de france they will be pacing themselves up hill , not flat out .
Luckily the caffeine will make you 14 seconds faster :-)
Can't tell if that S-works Shiv was another image that had been 'squashed' like the one last week or if it was an oval chainring...
Great show guys!!! Very funny too😀😂
Wouldn't "Aero is Life" belong on a skinsuit?
The shirt should say "This shirt slows me down".
Does the plastic barrier thingy extend beyond the back of the table? If not, it's not really separating the two presenters. But it should prevent viruses spreading between the two laptops.
Ritchey were doing breakaway frames 20-odd years ago... Better looking than the one shown here as well. :)
I once got paced up Mt. Diablo by a teammate. We traded pulls, but he did about 60-70% of the work, because he was slightly stronger than me. Took something like four minutes off my time. That's crazy.
Also, heck! I had the last gen version of the Vitesse. Crazy fast bike. Then it got stolen. :(
19:58 -- the best upgrade was that Cervelo bike, upgraded to Lamborghini Aventador SVJ ^-))))))))
Ollie that in fact IS an S-Works! It says it on the chainstay of the original
For a while I became obsessed with bike weight on the bike i ride on hilly routes. I got it down to 15.4 LBS with and alloy frame. I experienced an injury that has put my fast riding and climbing days behind me. I had to go from a 56/34 front 12-25 rear to a 46/32 front 12-40 rear and still find my self in a lot of pain and a knee swelling to be unusable the next day.
Isn't putting S-WORKS on a frame like like putting a GTI badge on an 85bhp, 1.4l Golf?
I like that bootleg S-Works and why not, the pros do it, except in reverse. Like Greg LeMond's Huffy.
To be fair, frame couplers are nothing new. S&S couplers have been around for years, mainly on touring bikes, and they are a little more bulky, but a splittable frame is nothing new.
I got the rear light mentioned in the video for my birthday, but it doesn't fit my Allez Sprint seatpost well😶
Manon looks like admiring Ollie's hair
Hi Guys, couldn't help myself to few corrections to your maths... In the bike calculator you enter either total elevation or an average gradient of a climb, NOT BOTH, see your mistake in the screenshots provided. That throws off your results. Also your 1st screenshots are for drops calculation even though you were talking about hoods position.
Corrections: total ascent with 6.8kg bike in hoods takes 62.80 mins which is 62mins and 48sec, that's 15.6seconds faster than with 7.2kg bike (63.06mins = 63min and 3.6sec), in the drops for 6.8kg bike is 61.44 mins (61min and 26.4sec) which is 16seconds faster than 7.2kg bike (61.71mins = 61min and 42.6sec) and that's 1min and 21.6seconds faster than in hoods position for the same bike weight.
When it comes to 8kg bike vs 6.8kg bike you loose 46.2 seconds in hoods and 47.4 seconds in drops position.
All this only tells a part of the story. I have the advantage of watching the video after TdF raced up Col de la Loze and with some of the pros uploading to strava and few even uploading their power file, I was able to look in more detail what difference could a bike weight make. Rider weight was extracted from www.procyclingstats.com (this could be subject to margin for miscalculation). Can't draw too much conclusions from Madouas, Carapaz or Verona's data even though they climbed the climb with nearly the same power to weight 5.4, 5.38 and 5.23 watts per kg it took Madouas 67mins and 30secs, 68mins and 5secs for Carapaz but 70mins and 13secs in Verona's case. Robert Gesinks data in service of Primoz Roglic showed 333watts at 4.75watts per kg and a time of 79mins and 8seconds on one of the lightest aero bikes in the pro peloton at the moment, rim braked Bianchi Oltre.
In the group of 20 riders 25:17 down on stage winner we can find 3 riders from the same team Vital Concept all riding same KTM bike and riders of similar height Chevalier 1.78m and 60kg, Barthe 1.84m and 67kg with Pacher 1.79m and 62kg, one can assume they were riding same frame. Still 251watts 4.18 watts per Kg for Chevalier doesn't quite compare to 4.32watts per kg of Barthe or 4.38watts per Kg of Pacher. Noticeable Oliver Naesen had to produce significantly more - 4.66 watts per kg to finish in the same group. This doesn't reflect the fact how much work at the front of the group was undertaken by each rider.
Best way to understand disparity in weight up a climb let's assume same rider (65kg with 380watts) will be climbing 2 different bikes 7kg and 7.5kg (typical diffrence between a rim brake and a disc brake bike) side by side, so we are taking slipstreaming out of the picture. 2 diffrent sections of a climb 1km at 16% and 1km at 12%. Why 16 and 12 percent, because that will take out aero benefit while climbing and we can focus purely on power to weight and difference that makes in a slight 0.5kg weight penalty. If we input the details into the bike calculator we get a 1km section of 12% climbed in 4.21min with 14.27km/h for 7kg bike and 4.23min with 14.18km/h for 7.5kg bike. That seems like a fraction and almost insignificant, but that's 90meters difference if we climbed for and hour and 6.5m difference for 4.23min duration. That's a difference a heavier bike can make, you can loose a wheel in a group over a steep section. 6.5m - that's over 3 bike lengths at which you will loose any aero benefit from the group ahead and if you fail to increase your effort and close the gap quick enough, you will push very quickly into the red and could end up loosing a lot more than a few seconds over a 21.5km climb on a heavier bike. Similarly for 16% 1km section this results in bigger 8meter gap, as weight matters more the steeper the climb. It might be a coincidence that the 2 strongest riders in this years Tour de France are on rim brakes (Rog and Pog), but also could be the result of marginal gains as a certain british team was doing for years. And resisting the move to using disc brakes. They probably made the best decision in their lifetime, as we see in this years Tour de France, it's not so easy nor quick to service a puncture on a disc brake bike, riders often change the whole bike. Also neutral service through narrow sections only carries rim brake wheels as Ritchie Porte found out (nearly lost him 4th place in GC) on stage 18 when he punctured in the gravel sector.
I really like a lot the way Nairo Quintana has made himself the reference pound by pound or watt per kg as the man to crush every KOM in the roads ... and he is not even trying sometime to do it or even not at his best, because there is a thing the calculator does not take in consideration the ks or hrs of racing behind a cyclist when they take the climbs
Top teams seem to be using rim brakes, the lightest wheels possible and even taking paint off their race bikes to make them as light as possible but still hit 6.8kg. Likely with weights in the BB or crankset. Down low and no rotating mass. So it must matter.
Paints s-works logo on s-works frame and gets flamed! Oops have another look Ollie 😂
How would the calculations change if the power was halved? I'm thinking the marginal watt gains from decreasing rolling resistance and increasing aerodynamics may be more effective than chasing weight.
400 watts up a mountain is INSANE!
Sound the same as 400 Watts down a mountain to me 😂
Could you please let us know what gears (outer & inner rings as well as sprockets) and eventually what gearing did Pogacar and Roglic used in the latter part of the Stage 20 ITT in TdF 2020? I am specifically interested in the bikes they used for the last 5kms (hilly part). Thanks
Rule #96. Ollie goes on the left. Those are the rules. The rules must not be broken
He wanted to make sure he had the Bike Vault Bell this week!
How does the snap in half bike deal with rear brake cables??
Lightweight climbing bike is less dragwind from left and right and its depends if the frame is semi aero.
Manon - the Trek logo has grown on you? I think it’s grown a lot more on the bike!!
Hold up! Ollie; Talks about riding without socks, and gives a tri bike a supernice?! Next week he'll be on GTN!
You didn't even mention those neon pink tires on the first Nice Bike had NO VALVES! They must be an airless type of tire! Not enough to make it Super Nice, but it should count for something..
Well I'd be surprised if that's not the easiest and biggest margin of winner in the bike upgrade segment. The 2nd bike was in a totally different class.
That cassette is not filthy, it's a black anodised SRAM Force cassette which has a bit of wear to it. But nice try Olly.
No socks to win the Tour de France! Absolutely who remembers Zola Budd an athlete who won loads but caused such a cufuffle by running long distance without shoes.
No socks you say...Triathlete to win TDF 2021 @GTN?
I’m diabetic! Love the idea of busby, stop my mum annoying me on my bike all the time 🙄
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I am FAR MORE concerned about bike prices, than I am about bike weight. Having to go into debt just to buy even a mid-range bike these days makes it exponentially harder to get up hills.
That covid plastic shield just saved Manon from "going instant deaf", during bike vault.
From personal experience I feel the weight has more impact on a lighter rider, I’m 52 kilos, my Bianchi Specialissima is spot on 6.8 kilos inc pedals, bottle cages, Garmin mounts and power meter, my Bianchi Oltre with the same spec weighs 7.5 kilos, on a local 1.2 mile climb around 9% gradient the lighter bike is 30 seconds faster riding the same power! This figure is hugely different to the online calculator, personally I would always go with the lighter bike over the aero heavier bike.
At what gradient is it advantageous to just run up the hill and get a fresh bicycle from the team car?
I like the "Aero is Life" T-shirt idea, but it would definitely have to a very tight, dimpled fabric, lycra t-shirt.
There are form-fitting stretchy cotton t-shirts, they would work, too.
I hope GCN does know smart lights with brake indicators have been around for years right? :o) See.Sense lights, Beryl's Burner Brake, and even the Revolights all have had them for at least 2 years if not many more brands??
Keep working on your bell skills Ollie. Maybe some intervals will help?
6.8kg v 7.4kg.... wait what was that about 6 watts/kg for an hour? when I can put out that power I will worry about a few tenths of a kg
I would pick the lightest possible.