As others have noted already... and based on the manual and their website, AUX OUT is a stereo pre-out attenuated by the volume control on the unit. So... Can you use a sub? YES, Can you run PRE OUT/AUX OUT to a stereo power amp YES, can you run a pair of Active Speakers from this output YES. - and even if there is no SUB out on a piece of gear, just find a sub that accepts speaker level input, problem Solved . Inexpensive High pass filters can be found if you want to limit the low frequencies going to your main speakers and match the crossover point with your active sub. Hope that helps.
Out of curiousity....Where did you get that from (confirmed) with that AUX labeled attenuated pre out? Manual says "AUX", rear panel indicates "AUX" conventionally referring to "line out", that's the only thing at least I know.
May I ask more about this. So I have a sub out amp but I want this amp. Will I be able to put a 3.5mm on my sub cable and it'll work properly? Is this amp designed to have a sub? I can't understand why they wouldn't just put a sub out.... Actually 2 sub outs
@@pickyaudiophile They also show COA instead of "coax" so clearly they are having issues following standard naming conventions for connections. If they are showing the unit connected to a sub from that output and not have it controlled out by the pre-amp circuit they should just go out of business now. This is a moot point because by now several other UA-cam channels would have covered this. The output is variable via the main volume as I noted. Calling it AUX is just bad. Aux is traditionally an INPUT line, not an output so they already screwed up by labeling it that way. LINE OUT, PRE OUT, SUB OUT ( although many sub out will sum the 2 channels - IE NOT All Sub Outs are sending a stereo signal when using a 1/8' jack which is also Not standard. They should have provided a pair of RCA outs but whatever, what's done is done. It's a decent looking budget piece that should suffice for it's intended purpose. It's likely not a giant killer but is flexible and functional. I'll probably grab one to play around with but its obviously not going to replace my Viva Audio Lf1, McIntosh MX110z or any other units taking up space around here nor is it supposed to. Did you end up ordering one? if so what are your thoughts?
@@IntelligentElephant So, I did not see a direct answer to this, but I just got the amp today. I'm using a 3.5mm to RCA cable into an SVS Micro 3000 active subwoofer. It works great. I use this for my PC desktop system and also have SVS EVO bookshelf speakers along with the micro 3000 subwoofer from SVS. I'll do a review on this setup at some point, but I also have the SVS amp and a Loxjie A30. The Loxjie sounds a bit bloated in the bass compared to both the SVS and Aiyima. More as I play with it for a while. It's a little thinner sounding in the midrange so far, but better stereo separation than the Loxjie or the SVS.
@@roland-plusSo you want a more expensive cheap amp without more value. Maybe the money spent on LCDs and display parts/software could go to better circuit parts so these cheapy units won't be failing in the real world. Cosmetics has always been the problem with cheaper audio gear. If they spend on cosmetics, they spend less on heat sinks, power supplies, circuits and controls.
@@TomT-bn1lm These people have never seen what a big chunk of steel will do for sound ( Transformer..) clamouring for complicated circuit paths that have the ability to fail 100:1 ratio compared to analogue circuits and in the end find themselves in the electronic recycling
Well, this time I am just two weeks late to the party and the product has indeed flown off the shelves. The Ayima A80 begone from Amazon. Oh well. Thanks for the video.
Just got into my home audio, after getting the ok by the wife to get rid of the dang soundbar, starting out with the Sony STR-DH590, and Sony SCSS5 for speakers, I’m going to fall into an endless pit with this one, I did it with headphones after stopping at HD800s now my home audio journey begins. All thanks to this channel for recommending good equipment. Now I want one of these lol
I have been using mine for 2 months, the cons are: the optical source playback is about 1/2 the output of RCA input, meaning optical playback source can't be turned up loud as RCA input. Both UV meters will adjust to lower levels in the middle of each song even if the amp is playing at 80% power, UV will show as if the amp is only under 10% power load.
I’ve been to concerts that have been 115dBa at the booth, which is crazy. Probably 130dB plus up front. I mix audio myself and it’s common to do that in tin can building and arenas to hide the horrible room sound and reflections.
I have four 70 separate systems. But all of them have capacitors that you know are going to go out any day. I'm really tempted to jump on this thing. I can always use one of them for my subwoofer too.
Thank you for making clear AUX is actually variable or "pre out". Seemingly unavoidable that very same question has to come up with each and every device released, time and time again.
In my experience, aux outputs are always usable for subwoofers, since subs have their own built-in crossovers. I've never yet had an aux output fail to work with a sub.
But there is no volume control (this is not a pre out), so you need a chart on paper with matched volume settings you figured out. And a subwoofer preferredly with displayed volume and remote control to perform these settings.
@@pickyaudiophileI have one 2.1 set-up installed in a room a with a Denon Upa-07 amp without sub output. It has TAPE REC output, but as mentioned, without volume control. I finally use a high-level to line adaptor connected to the speaker out that converts the signal in line level, and it works great.
Like them or not these little amps offer incredible value, especially for those just getting started in this hobby. Choices here are much like the 60’s/70’s with the receivers from Sansui/Kenwood/Pioneer/Marantz/Technics and others. There are scant reviews of these products in the major audio magazines but not as we see online, especially here at the CAM. Also, I did not see any Aiyima or Fosi audio rooms at the Capital Audio Fest, but had a chance meeting with Randy on the 6th floor. Thanks for all you do for this hobby! (Fair Winds & Following Seas, from an ex CTT.
If I’m buying an amp for the VU meters, they are going to be actual physical meters, not images on a tiny screen. I mean, analog should be analog right?
I'd get that vu meter add on instead. I purchased two Fosiaudio Z3's for bi-amping my coming Emotiva XC1's 2.0 configuration. Your a terrible influence on my wallet good sir.
I ordered one yesterday. Today they are sold out, so I guess the title holds up 🙂 I´m excited to hear what it can do with my B&W DM683 S1 speakers. They are quite powerhungry.
As a live sound engineer there's mixing loud and then there's mixing clear. Unfortunately a lot of folks think the only way to do it is to mix loud. It drives me nuts as long as you're not having to fight over guitar amps and drums to get the vocals audible it should not be that loud that people have to come with hearing protection!
Problem is most engineers that mix loud have screwed hearing... I've always mixed 'HiFi' No harsh mids and stage noise is kept to an absolute minimum; Guitars on IEM's (So no loud backline), Drums behind screens and horns also behind smaller screens... A well balanced profile and away we go...
@@dougle03 yep. I got to go to a concert for free if I help them pack up at a theater in the next town over. I was literally watching people coming in with air traffic control earmuffs and putting earplugs in and bringing their kids with earmuffs. I didn't get to enjoy the band and I'm glad I didn't pay for it because I spent the entire time in the lobby listening to the fold back system as it sounded better than being in the room with everything blaring and this was a 500 to 1000? seat theater. On the opposite of that I've been doing sound for outdoor summer concerts where I have people telling me they came down from multiple blocks probably close to a mile (ordinarily I would say by the post office but that won't make any sense, which is probably 5 to 10 blocks away in the small town) through town telling me that they heard what was going on. and I'm sitting under 100 DB listening position 50 feet from the stage with a nice clean Mix that's not too loud. but it's clearly then bouncing around the entire Valley. I'm always like I'm so sorry I hope you're enjoying it. Most of the stuff I've done has not been IEM's unfortunately. it's really annoying when you have to fight monitors. on the upside if I have full control of the system I always start with the monitors off and bring stuff up. if I don't have full control of the system it's always a challenge to cut as much as I can out of monitors without messing things up from what they're expecting.
@@imark7777777 Probably was the wind carrying the sound up the valley! It's amazing how far it can carry; equally, side winds can play havoc when you are no more than 500yds from the PA... lol
@@dougle03 I would say wind as well but over the course of about 12 concerts in 2023 and 6 in 2024 this was pretty consistent even when there was no wind. Sure sure there's the acoustics of the valley and beginning on one side of the only four-story building in town. Pretty much every week I had somebody telling me about this. I also did this in the next town over with a completely different system. Had a neighbor come down saying they got woken up by music a few blocks away and I'm like sorry. Although I did go to a seminar where someone mentioned and talked about doing sound at a biblical location and how the two guys thought that they heard the other say something and then realized it was the guy down by the water hundreds of feet away that whispered something. The location was naturally designed in a perfect natural amphitheater to carry sound aided by the perfect breeze off the water naturally amplifying. Cool experience so hope to go there someday. So I totally believe under ideal conditions.
I agree two upgrades to the product would have been an HDMI and Sub out. Funny enough, the SMSL RAW-HA1 has those, an Infineon amp chip, the CS43131 dac, and the USB has the XMOS chip for re-clocking the Wiim Ultra. No fancy VU meters, but has a decent headphone amp (1.3W) at the exact same price (currently $212, MSRP $249) it is an excellent alternative. Go FunFi!
Wish I knew about this before I just bought the Sony Str-dh590 I needed optical and hdmi arc for my LG tv and Roku remote to work as one with the amp volume. Also an amp that had a sub out, for a sub later down the road
I have ayima a09 and it's pretty awesome. I randomly clicked this video and had to doublecheck that the brand you were talking about is the same as my cheap amp from china
@@pickyaudiophile I don't know what those acronyms mean,🤔🤔 but it sounds like you're trying to say that the power adapter it comes with isn't very good? As far as you know.
@@enlightenCA Aiyima just doesn't say it's the more expensive GAN power supply included in contents of delivery. Generic costs $36, GAN FET version 80$ when sold separately. Don't know where he got that from it would come with GAN FET adapter.
Great insights!! I'm currently on the fence with buying the right amp for my setup and this helps a lot... While I'm here maybe you can point me in the right direction? My setup is a pair of powered speakers normally used for music production tasks that is normally hooked up to soundcard that has balanced trs inputs. I'm trying to get an amp that let's me run them without needing to power on a computer. An amp that has balanced outputs to feed my powered speakers. If the amp could receive input from 2 (eg a switch to choose what input source in being used) sources or more would be ideal? Thanks in advance!
@@Captain_Lockheed Couldn't tell you that specifically. My only experience is the squishy foam inserts for construction work. The loops are vastly better than the squishy foam though.
This A80 looks great! I'm currently rocking an Aiyima T9 right now. it's also pretty darn good but I really desire a headphone out. Been looking at the SMSL options. The (older) AO300 was tempting. SMSL just released the RAW HA-1 which i'm SUPER tempted by.
Very cool all in one unit! Thanks for the review, I ordered one through your link to go with my pair of a07's. The only downside about the deal is the 1 to 2 month shipping window. 🤔
I have the pair(of loops) for my misophonia, severly affected by smacking, crunching, crinkling, etc. They are awesome for dinner in loud restaurants too, you can hear people talking perfectly but keeps out all the clinging and clanging in background
TRS - Tip Ring Sleeve. It means there are three electrical contacts in the described locations. Technically I think you were describing 1/4" (6.4mm) TRS as a typical 1/8" (3.5mm) or "mini-TRS" is also TRS. I've seen the ones that include a microphone, with four contacts, described as TRRS but I do not know if that is official.
But it's not safe to assume that the TRS is actually Hot, Cold and Ground as a proper balanced signal would need. A lot can go wrong depending on how the handle the input inside...
With USB-C chargers prices going down I wish these used this for a power input vs barrel connectors power supplies. Companies should seriously consider this as an option to power devices in general (not just phones, tablets, laptops, all-in-ones... but amps would be nice).
A .38 unfired round protected my ears while photographing concerts fit perfectly looked strange ,worked. I still have tinnitus, it is no joke an audiophile, worst enemy
Other than the cool looking interface, remind me what the benefits of this amp are? I mean compared with the other 10,000 similar ones which are actually about 100 bucks cheaper?
Looking at some pics of the board... the op-amps are plug-ins. So depending on space I think you could definitely stuff something alternative in there. Thanks again and regards.
You had me until the no sub out. I'm looking for something like my old Tascam 20W amp for my home studio only WITH a sub out. I've got my sub jury-rigged but I don't know if it's going to blow something out some day.
Thank you for the introduction of A80. Do you think that A80 is more valuable than AIYIMA D03? I'm seriously considering buy A80. (I have D03 and had used it for 2 years.)
Hi nice video like always I have a question you think this amp can works well with the wiim ultra I'm new to this hobby if anyone have a recommendation let me know thanks
I like the loop earplugs but don’t notice much difference between the low/mid options. And I’m not sure they really help reduce ambient noise so you can hear your tablemates at a restaurant. But they’re good and don’t look as obvious as AirPods.
I Have had a Fosi Audio V3 for awhile now and recently got an Ayima AO7 for the garage. I was surprised how much more I enjoyed the sound out of the Ayima than the V3. I'd be willing to bet this is a great little amp, I just wish it had HDMI input.
All nice and well, but one thing forgotten with all these little devices is it is creating an external wire mess with all the adapters etc. I have iFi, Bellari, ParksAudio etc. All fine in what that gear is doing but step by step I try to use these less because of the wire mess all together.
Looks ideal for a desktop near-field experience. Would work well with budget Elacs or Sonys and my new M4 Mac Mini as the input source. I'm thinkin'.........
Reading on the Amazon site it says you can swap op amps. Also the output on the back could be used as a subwoofer output as it is volume controlled, just saying. Do you think this sounds as good as an A07, as I use one to play on my Klipshorns and it sound wonderful, just ordered some Sparkos for it.
The aux out is a sub out, so that's good. Now I wonder if it has a selectable crossover frequency or if it's just a full range output. Going to assume it's just full range, but that's potentially ok - you just can't cut the bass out of your satellites. But since the aux seems to follow the main volume according to the documentation it will also volume control a sub, and you have to use the sub's crossover.
My friend keeps blowing the fuse on his old maggies. He says because the amp has too much power. You can hear the distortion when he cranks it. I told him that the fuse was blowing because of clipping. He doesn't believe me and boy does the Aiyima get hot.
What do you think about the Wiim Ultra and one of these? Just bought the Wiim Ultra and I am about to sell off my AV-receivers. =) Update. You just answered my question last in your video. Thanks. =)
Nice unit? In today's world of small speakers, a dedicated sub out is a must have! There are half-ass work arounds, but for me a amp without a sub out should never be considered?
my point is if i need an outboard power supply, then im going to just run some nice 90's class A/B car audio amp and a head unit on the desk. find a nice pair of ads L400's
Hi - As you do reviews on cheapaudio from time to time, could you please review Audio Technica's latest refresh on their (entry leve) full auto Turntable? The new model is AT-LP70X - it comes in either a sharp looking bronze and black version as well as gray and black, available with or without bluetooth, and added a different tonearm that allows swapping in any of the whole main model line of A.T. styli, as well as the addition of a previously missing tone arm lift on the old model, the new one looks nice and is well done - the old one didnt have one at all and the motor has been moved further from the tonearm base as well as the power supply being at the wall to reduce any line current noise and they have changed the old RCA "Y" to 1/8" stereo cable plug back to RCA jacks at both ends - and an onboard switchable preamp. The biggest negative is you can buy an entry level Fluance for the price of the new model, so this table is targeted directly at the fully automatic entry level market, but theyve done a good job on this refresh for what it is.
The trigger input on/off almost certainly doesn’t put the external SMPS into idle/standby, so I’m not sure what purpose that serves… unless it’s a trigger-out rather than a trigger-in.
Not sure why I watched the whole video bc I have no idea what this is or why it would be helpful to me in any way..LOL Can this make my Edifier M4's sound "better" or louder or something with out blowing them out? Or what the heck is this for? I am trying to look for some kind of subwoofer to connect to my M4's bc it apparently can be done but have no idea which ones or even how to do it .
Nooo Way...I just Discoveed this model.and it rocks . The screen is very edgy and comes already with 48v power supply ... Prettier than Fosi ZA3. Sorry.
About the Loop... how is it at a concert? I used to have some by Senner. They weren't exactly linear but worked fine. When I lost them I bought some by Ropone. Yeah, no. Bass makes them bottom out, which are obviously sounds bad and is rather counterproductive. How about the Loop?
300W. No! - not anything near that RMS power is possible with 48V input, regardless of the amp rating of the power supply... and if the power is not stated as RMS, its a meaningless figure.
I always stuffed toilet paper in my ears when I went to concerts :D It at least worked well enough to keep my ears from ringing afterwards. But all these little chip amps...gosh I can't help but roll my eyes at this point. I DO like the sound of the TI chip but ffs coming out with all these tiny iterations over and over again is getting silly. Someone needs to do a veritable moon shot with these chips to absolutely max out the performance, features and sound quality, and just let that be the end of it.
I’ve been been nurtured, bought up with high bias class A-B amplification. It’s what I know and love. It’s what I’ve invested thousands in. A couple of years ago, my girlfriend and I, gave up our separate homes and moved into a new home, together. For a while, whilst we settled in, much of my stuff, including my hi-fi, went into storage. As a temporary measure, I purchased an ‘all in 1’ hi-fi system for around €600. It included class D amplification and an ES1938 DAC chip. It was shockingly good, for the price. A few months later, when I’d got my hi-fi out of storage and set it up, that class D unit became surplus to requirement. Despite it being in imaculate condition, perfect working order and under guarantee, we could not sell it, or give it away. Nobody wanted it. It had no second hand or resale value! I think that’s the potential issue with the current trend toward inexpensive hi-fi. It doesn’t hold the value of its class A-B siblings. Is almost treated as ‘throw away’.
I've had no problems selling either surplus SMSL, Topping or other small stuff yet. Not at all. Traditional hifi equipment on the other hand have become more and more difficult, nobody seems to want it due to size.
What exactly, means - "...doesn't sound as good as - the more expensive amp...." ?? - Many of these tiny amps MEASURE extremely well, but reviewers, always tell, that the more expensive amps, sound better - even if those amps measure worse.... So - in what way this one sounds not as good as the big one -assuming you run it with a max possible PS ??
The AUX out can be used as feed for a powered sub. It's controlled by the volume.
As others have noted already... and based on the manual and their website, AUX OUT is a stereo pre-out attenuated by the volume control on the unit. So... Can you use a sub? YES, Can you run PRE OUT/AUX OUT to a stereo power amp YES, can you run a pair of Active Speakers from this output YES. - and even if there is no SUB out on a piece of gear, just find a sub that accepts speaker level input, problem Solved . Inexpensive High pass filters can be found if you want to limit the low frequencies going to your main speakers and match the crossover point with your active sub. Hope that helps.
Out of curiousity....Where did you get that from (confirmed) with that AUX labeled attenuated pre out? Manual says "AUX", rear panel indicates "AUX" conventionally referring to "line out", that's the only thing at least I know.
May I ask more about this. So I have a sub out amp but I want this amp. Will I be able to put a 3.5mm on my sub cable and it'll work properly? Is this amp designed to have a sub? I can't understand why they wouldn't just put a sub out.... Actually 2 sub outs
No mention of PFFB in the Amazon listing?
@@pickyaudiophile They also show COA instead of "coax" so clearly they are having issues following standard naming conventions for connections. If they are showing the unit connected to a sub from that output and not have it controlled out by the pre-amp circuit they should just go out of business now. This is a moot point because by now several other UA-cam channels would have covered this. The output is variable via the main volume as I noted. Calling it AUX is just bad. Aux is traditionally an INPUT line, not an output so they already screwed up by labeling it that way. LINE OUT, PRE OUT, SUB OUT ( although many sub out will sum the 2 channels - IE NOT All Sub Outs are sending a stereo signal when using a 1/8' jack which is also Not standard. They should have provided a pair of RCA outs but whatever, what's done is done. It's a decent looking budget piece that should suffice for it's intended purpose. It's likely not a giant killer but is flexible and functional. I'll probably grab one to play around with but its obviously not going to replace my Viva Audio Lf1, McIntosh MX110z or any other units taking up space around here nor is it supposed to. Did you end up ordering one? if so what are your thoughts?
@@IntelligentElephant So, I did not see a direct answer to this, but I just got the amp today. I'm using a 3.5mm to RCA cable into an SVS Micro 3000 active subwoofer. It works great. I use this for my PC desktop system and also have SVS EVO bookshelf speakers along with the micro 3000 subwoofer from SVS. I'll do a review on this setup at some point, but I also have the SVS amp and a Loxjie A30. The Loxjie sounds a bit bloated in the bass compared to both the SVS and Aiyima. More as I play with it for a while. It's a little thinner sounding in the midrange so far, but better stereo separation than the Loxjie or the SVS.
I would love to see more companies include VU meters on their equipment
They aren't really VU meters... just a digital cartoon representation.
@@Freakphoto I get it, but its better than just another small black DAC/AMP piece of tech. Small steps my guy
@@roland-plusSo you want a more expensive cheap amp without more value. Maybe the money spent on LCDs and display parts/software could go to better circuit parts so these cheapy units won't be failing in the real world. Cosmetics has always been the problem with cheaper audio gear. If they spend on cosmetics, they spend less on heat sinks, power supplies, circuits and controls.
that's no VU meters kid , and the flashing screen could cause epilectic seziures.
@@TomT-bn1lm These people have never seen what a big chunk of steel will do for sound ( Transformer..) clamouring for complicated circuit paths that have the ability to fail 100:1 ratio compared to analogue circuits and in the end find themselves in the electronic recycling
Got mine today on Xmas eve 189 quid well spent awesome piece of tech thanks cheapaudioman love your channel happy Xmas 🎄😃👍
Well, this time I am just two weeks late to the party and the product has indeed flown off the shelves. The Ayima A80 begone from Amazon. Oh well. Thanks for the video.
Just got into my home audio, after getting the ok by the wife to get rid of the dang soundbar, starting out with the Sony STR-DH590, and Sony SCSS5 for speakers, I’m going to fall into an endless pit with this one, I did it with headphones after stopping at HD800s now my home audio journey begins. All thanks to this channel for recommending good equipment. Now I want one of these lol
Thanks for the no nonsense analysis. Much appreciated.
I have been using mine for 2 months, the cons are: the optical source playback is about 1/2 the output of RCA input, meaning optical playback source can't be turned up loud as RCA input. Both UV meters will adjust to lower levels in the middle of each song even if the amp is playing at 80% power, UV will show as if the amp is only under 10% power load.
I’ve been to concerts that have been 115dBa at the booth, which is crazy. Probably 130dB plus up front. I mix audio myself and it’s common to do that in tin can building and arenas to hide the horrible room sound and reflections.
I have four 70 separate systems. But all of them have capacitors that you know are going to go out any day. I'm really tempted to jump on this thing. I can always use one of them for my subwoofer too.
I did exactly the same thing connecting the power supply during my testing. Big spark! 💥
Thank you for making clear AUX is actually variable or "pre out". Seemingly unavoidable that very same question has to come up with each and every device released, time and time again.
@pickyaudiophile It would be easier if they were all variable!
In my experience, aux outputs are always usable for subwoofers, since subs have their own built-in crossovers. I've never yet had an aux output fail to work with a sub.
But there is no volume control (this is not a pre out), so you need a chart on paper with matched volume settings you figured out. And a subwoofer preferredly with displayed volume and remote control to perform these settings.
@@pickyaudiophile😂
@@matsnaslund5762 @pickyaudiophile has a point. Sub outs also match the volume of the amplifier, they are essentially a preamp output.
@@matsnaslund5762So how would you suggest listening a various volumes in a 2.1 configuration with no control over the sub from this device?
@@pickyaudiophileI have one 2.1 set-up installed in a room a with a Denon Upa-07 amp without sub output. It has TAPE REC output, but as mentioned, without volume control. I finally use a high-level to line adaptor connected to the speaker out that converts the signal in line level, and it works great.
Like them or not these little amps offer incredible value, especially for those just getting started in this hobby. Choices here are much like the 60’s/70’s with the receivers from Sansui/Kenwood/Pioneer/Marantz/Technics and others. There are scant reviews of these products in the major audio magazines but not as we see online, especially here at the CAM. Also, I did not see any Aiyima or Fosi audio rooms at the Capital Audio Fest, but had a chance meeting with Randy on the 6th floor. Thanks for all you do for this hobby! (Fair Winds & Following Seas, from an ex CTT.
This is a "hobby"? 🤔
Pop a 7-12 band EQ, tape-loop, and BBE circuitry inside it, and I'll buy 3 of them! :)
If I’m buying an amp for the VU meters, they are going to be actual physical meters, not images on a tiny screen. I mean, analog should be analog right?
I'd get that vu meter add on instead. I purchased two Fosiaudio Z3's for bi-amping my coming Emotiva XC1's 2.0 configuration. Your a terrible influence on my wallet good sir.
I ordered one yesterday. Today they are sold out, so I guess the title holds up 🙂 I´m excited to hear what it can do with my B&W DM683 S1 speakers. They are quite powerhungry.
As a live sound engineer there's mixing loud and then there's mixing clear. Unfortunately a lot of folks think the only way to do it is to mix loud. It drives me nuts as long as you're not having to fight over guitar amps and drums to get the vocals audible it should not be that loud that people have to come with hearing protection!
Problem is most engineers that mix loud have screwed hearing... I've always mixed 'HiFi' No harsh mids and stage noise is kept to an absolute minimum; Guitars on IEM's (So no loud backline), Drums behind screens and horns also behind smaller screens... A well balanced profile and away we go...
@@dougle03 yep. I got to go to a concert for free if I help them pack up at a theater in the next town over. I was literally watching people coming in with air traffic control earmuffs and putting earplugs in and bringing their kids with earmuffs. I didn't get to enjoy the band and I'm glad I didn't pay for it because I spent the entire time in the lobby listening to the fold back system as it sounded better than being in the room with everything blaring and this was a 500 to 1000? seat theater.
On the opposite of that I've been doing sound for outdoor summer concerts where I have people telling me they came down from multiple blocks probably close to a mile (ordinarily I would say by the post office but that won't make any sense, which is probably 5 to 10 blocks away in the small town) through town telling me that they heard what was going on. and I'm sitting under 100 DB listening position 50 feet from the stage with a nice clean Mix that's not too loud. but it's clearly then bouncing around the entire Valley. I'm always like I'm so sorry I hope you're enjoying it.
Most of the stuff I've done has not been IEM's unfortunately. it's really annoying when you have to fight monitors. on the upside if I have full control of the system I always start with the monitors off and bring stuff up. if I don't have full control of the system it's always a challenge to cut as much as I can out of monitors without messing things up from what they're expecting.
@@imark7777777 Probably was the wind carrying the sound up the valley! It's amazing how far it can carry; equally, side winds can play havoc when you are no more than 500yds from the PA... lol
@@dougle03 I would say wind as well but over the course of about 12 concerts in 2023 and 6 in 2024 this was pretty consistent even when there was no wind. Sure sure there's the acoustics of the valley and beginning on one side of the only four-story building in town. Pretty much every week I had somebody telling me about this.
I also did this in the next town over with a completely different system. Had a neighbor come down saying they got woken up by music a few blocks away and I'm like sorry.
Although I did go to a seminar where someone mentioned and talked about doing sound at a biblical location and how the two guys thought that they heard the other say something and then realized it was the guy down by the water hundreds of feet away that whispered something. The location was naturally designed in a perfect natural amphitheater to carry sound aided by the perfect breeze off the water naturally amplifying. Cool experience so hope to go there someday. So I totally believe under ideal conditions.
The lack of sub out is a deal breaker for me, I was really interested in this as an upgrade from the Loxjie a30.
Does your sub not have a low pass filter...?
@@rupe82 somebody above said the aux out is controlled by volume knob so theres that
I agree two upgrades to the product would have been an HDMI and Sub out. Funny enough, the SMSL RAW-HA1 has those, an Infineon amp chip, the CS43131 dac, and the USB has the XMOS chip for re-clocking the Wiim Ultra. No fancy VU meters, but has a decent headphone amp (1.3W) at the exact same price (currently $212, MSRP $249) it is an excellent alternative. Go FunFi!
=D
I wish it was the same size as the RAW-HA1 and with RCA preouts .
I just ordered a SMSL RAW-HA1.
@@johnfox2051 Good choice Man. Tell us when you get it !
Wish I knew about this before I just bought the Sony Str-dh590 I needed optical and hdmi arc for my LG tv and Roku remote to work as one with the amp volume. Also an amp that had a sub out, for a sub later down the road
Seems like a great product! It was so popular that they had to stop selling them 😂 hopefully they come back at some point
I have ayima a09 and it's pretty awesome. I randomly clicked this video and had to doublecheck that the brand you were talking about is the same as my cheap amp from china
It comes with the 48v power supply! That's like 60 bones alone. If I buy it I will use the affiliate link below. Good find, this one is sweet.
However GAN FET equipped power adapter not confirmed AFAIK
@@pickyaudiophile I don't know what those acronyms mean,🤔🤔 but it sounds like you're trying to say that the power adapter it comes with isn't very good? As far as you know.
@@enlightenCA Aiyima just doesn't say it's the more expensive GAN power supply included in contents of delivery. Generic costs $36, GAN FET version 80$ when sold separately. Don't know where he got that from it would come with GAN FET adapter.
Great insights!! I'm currently on the fence with buying the right amp for my setup and this helps a lot... While I'm here maybe you can point me in the right direction? My setup is a pair of powered speakers normally used for music production tasks that is normally hooked up to soundcard that has balanced trs inputs. I'm trying to get an amp that let's me run them without needing to power on a computer. An amp that has balanced outputs to feed my powered speakers. If the amp could receive input from 2 (eg a switch to choose what input source in being used) sources or more would be ideal? Thanks in advance!
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@@theslats how would you rate them in comparison to Alpine party plugs which is what I use?
@@Captain_Lockheed Couldn't tell you that specifically. My only experience is the squishy foam inserts for construction work. The loops are vastly better than the squishy foam though.
This A80 looks great!
I'm currently rocking an Aiyima T9 right now. it's also pretty darn good
but I really desire a headphone out.
Been looking at the SMSL options. The (older) AO300 was tempting.
SMSL just released the RAW HA-1 which i'm SUPER tempted by.
Very cool all in one unit! Thanks for the review, I ordered one through your link to go with my pair of a07's. The only downside about the deal is the 1 to 2 month shipping window. 🤔
Oy. Fosi did this with the ZA3. It was worth the wait, IMO, but that’s pretty annoying.
I have the pair(of loops) for my misophonia, severly affected by smacking, crunching, crinkling, etc. They are awesome for dinner in loud restaurants too, you can hear people talking perfectly but keeps out all the clinging and clanging in background
TRS - Tip Ring Sleeve. It means there are three electrical contacts in the described locations. Technically I think you were describing 1/4" (6.4mm) TRS as a typical 1/8" (3.5mm) or "mini-TRS" is also TRS. I've seen the ones that include a microphone, with four contacts, described as TRRS but I do not know if that is official.
But it's not safe to assume that the TRS is actually Hot, Cold and Ground as a proper balanced signal would need. A lot can go wrong depending on how the handle the input inside...
I have an Aiyima A01 pro and it has an aux out and I use this output with my sub. I'm pretty sure it's the same scenario here.
Came here to say this. Aiyima points out the same thing on their website if you want to add a subwoofer.
They should label it as pre out, then life's good.
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I disagree (good review), the only assessment was "it sounds good". No comment about how powerful (watts/current) etc.
With USB-C chargers prices going down I wish these used this for a power input vs barrel connectors power supplies. Companies should seriously consider this as an option to power devices in general (not just phones, tablets, laptops, all-in-ones... but amps would be nice).
Insufficient voltage from USB.
Hi Randy , another great video as already mentioned the aux o/p found be used for sub out . Love the vu meters too regards mark
A .38 unfired round protected my ears while photographing concerts fit perfectly looked strange ,worked. I still have tinnitus, it is no joke an audiophile, worst enemy
@@larrygaines7462 sshl and tinnitus here. Worst thing ever.
this is exactly what i was looking for, don't know how i didn't notice it on black friday.
@@Cr3ePiO beacuse it is relised on 2 december
Can I use this as a phono pre amp for my turntable or not? Have a good one! 😊
Thx, I love it 🙂
It has been in my shopping cart, waiting for you to. make a video! Thanks Randy.
Other than the cool looking interface, remind me what the benefits of this amp are? I mean compared with the other 10,000 similar ones which are actually about 100 bucks cheaper?
Looking at some pics of the board... the op-amps are plug-ins. So depending on space I think you could definitely stuff something alternative in there.
Thanks again and regards.
It does have an aux output, can't that be used for a subwoofer?
You had me until the no sub out. I'm looking for something like my old Tascam 20W amp for my home studio only WITH a sub out. I've got my sub jury-rigged but I don't know if it's going to blow something out some day.
the problem with those amps is they produce a lot of noise because the switching power supply also blocks radio signals on Shortwave and medium wave
As soon as I heard Texas Instruments I was interested.
Thank you for the introduction of A80. Do you think that A80 is more valuable than AIYIMA D03? I'm seriously considering buy A80. (I have D03 and had used it for 2 years.)
How do I replace a Sonos S1 system? Speakers are not near each other. 1 little amp + 1 WiiM per speaker? Will they talk to each other?
Can this be used as a DAC between my music source and mcintosh integrated Amp?
Hi nice video like always I have a question you think this amp can works well with the wiim ultra I'm new to this hobby if anyone have a recommendation let me know thanks
I like the loop earplugs but don’t notice much difference between the low/mid options. And I’m not sure they really help reduce ambient noise so you can hear your tablemates at a restaurant. But they’re good and don’t look as obvious as AirPods.
Daddy is sending a new request to Santa this year.
Thanks Randy! Love everything about it, just wish hdmi would’ve been standard by now, or at least an option, still pretty cool tho…
Great video! Where can I find that McIntosh t-shirt? 😊
I Have had a Fosi Audio V3 for awhile now and recently got an Ayima AO7 for the garage. I was surprised how much more I enjoyed the sound out of the Ayima than the V3. I'd be willing to bet this is a great little amp, I just wish it had HDMI input.
The next generation of decoders and decoders + amplifiers will add more elements and other additions
On sale right now $229 plus 10 percent off.
Thanks for the heads up.
Most subs have line input with Low pass filter, thus this could still play a part...
All nice and well, but one thing forgotten with all these little devices is it is creating an external wire mess with all the adapters etc. I have iFi, Bellari, ParksAudio etc. All fine in what that gear is doing but step by step I try to use these less because of the wire mess all together.
Looks ideal for a desktop near-field experience. Would work well with budget Elacs or Sonys and my new M4 Mac Mini as the input source. I'm thinkin'.........
Reading on the Amazon site it says you can swap op amps. Also the output on the back could be used as a subwoofer output as it is volume controlled, just saying. Do you think this sounds as good as an A07, as I use one to play on my Klipshorns and it sound wonderful, just ordered some Sparkos for it.
I'd love to see a comparison between this and the SMSL RAW-HA1
Does the "Aux Out" reproduce full range audio or low frequency audio?
Full range. It's a preamp output. Aiyima has a block diagram on their website.
The aux out is a sub out, so that's good. Now I wonder if it has a selectable crossover frequency or if it's just a full range output. Going to assume it's just full range, but that's potentially ok - you just can't cut the bass out of your satellites. But since the aux seems to follow the main volume according to the documentation it will also volume control a sub, and you have to use the sub's crossover.
Its normal to adjust at the active subwoofer.
My friend keeps blowing the fuse on his old maggies. He says because the amp has too much power. You can hear the distortion when he cranks it. I told him that the fuse was blowing because of clipping. He doesn't believe me and boy does the Aiyima get hot.
Reading that actually made me physically cringe. That's just...AWFUL.
Oh my. This made my internals burn.
I love my WiiM ultra's screen for only this reason, the VU meter mode.
so why there is non in mine?
@@trueretyper Its gotta be there, get on the latest version and play with the display.
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Hmmm, this would be perfect little amp to run my front L R towers in my 5.2.2 setup! Bonus VU meters!
What do you think about the Wiim Ultra and one of these? Just bought the Wiim Ultra and I am about to sell off my AV-receivers. =) Update. You just answered my question last in your video. Thanks. =)
Nice unit? In today's world of small speakers, a dedicated sub out is a must have! There are half-ass work arounds, but for me a amp without a sub out should never be considered?
my point is if i need an outboard power supply, then im going to just run some nice 90's class A/B car audio amp and a head unit on the desk.
find a nice pair of ads L400's
I don’t need this, but I want it anyway!
Currently not available at AMZ. Just three days ago?
Love your Christmas tree Randy. The video is good too.
Can I connect my 1TB external hard drive with 1000 CDs as WAV files and have it index and play them?
Regarding the earplugs, at my age, it would only accentuate my tinnitus.
Randy, can't you use the AUX out to connect to a powered subwoofer?
Hi - As you do reviews on cheapaudio from time to time, could you please review Audio Technica's latest refresh on their (entry leve) full auto Turntable? The new model is AT-LP70X - it comes in either a sharp looking bronze and black version as well as gray and black, available with or without bluetooth, and added a different tonearm that allows swapping in any of the whole main model line of A.T. styli, as well as the addition of a previously missing tone arm lift on the old model, the new one looks nice and is well done - the old one didnt have one at all and the motor has been moved further from the tonearm base as well as the power supply being at the wall to reduce any line current noise and they have changed the old RCA "Y" to 1/8" stereo cable plug back to RCA jacks at both ends - and an onboard switchable preamp. The biggest negative is you can buy an entry level Fluance for the price of the new model, so this table is targeted directly at the fully automatic entry level market, but theyve done a good job on this refresh for what it is.
The trigger input on/off almost certainly doesn’t put the external SMPS into idle/standby, so I’m not sure what purpose that serves… unless it’s a trigger-out rather than a trigger-in.
2:05 I need these so I don't have to listen to my wife.
Ding!
Serius ? Class-d .
Sorry i stay with class a/b amp.
Sound in the middel spectrum is nice
I think I’m not going the Dclass myself. Just an office set up. Couple Swan 140s and sub.
Does it have High Pass Filter, cutting frequencies below ca 100hz for small speakers?
Apparently, it’s already flown. The A80 doesn’t show up on Amazon anyway.
Would make a great zoning amp for an AV reciever
I bought AIYIMA T9 today start down the rabbit holes of audiophile stuff wondering if i need dac and streamer to play my Amazon Music
Great amp Randy. You called it. But sing out when a sub out comes on it.☮️🇦🇺
Not sure why I watched the whole video bc I have no idea what this is or why it would be helpful to me in any way..LOL Can this make my Edifier M4's sound "better" or louder or something with out blowing them out? Or what the heck is this for? I am trying to look for some kind of subwoofer to connect to my M4's bc it apparently can be done but have no idea which ones or even how to do it .
Thanks Randy!
Where can I find this in the USA?
Nice sweatshirt, where did you get it? My Dad is a retired submariner and I think he would love one
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Nooo Way...I just Discoveed this model.and it rocks . The screen is very edgy and comes already with 48v power supply ... Prettier than Fosi ZA3. Sorry.
Great looking product
What's the first black amp you show? Love the looks of it
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About the Loop... how is it at a concert? I used to have some by Senner. They weren't exactly linear but worked fine. When I lost them I bought some by Ropone. Yeah, no. Bass makes them bottom out, which are obviously sounds bad and is rather counterproductive. How about the Loop?
So you modified it? Newby here
Aux out is controlled by the volume control ... us it for sub out.
How much power is this? 300 watts max? What does it do 20 to 20k, rms with what distortion?
See the TI TPA3255 datasheet for all the answers. Consider using 48V 12.5A trimmable power supply to get the voltage into the promised land.
300W. No! - not anything near that RMS power is possible with 48V input, regardless of the amp rating of the power supply... and if the power is not stated as RMS, its a meaningless figure.
I always stuffed toilet paper in my ears when I went to concerts :D It at least worked well enough to keep my ears from ringing afterwards.
But all these little chip amps...gosh I can't help but roll my eyes at this point. I DO like the sound of the TI chip but ffs coming out with all these tiny iterations over and over again is getting silly. Someone needs to do a veritable moon shot with these chips to absolutely max out the performance, features and sound quality, and just let that be the end of it.
I’ve been been nurtured, bought up with high bias class A-B amplification. It’s what I know and love. It’s what I’ve invested thousands in. A couple of years ago, my girlfriend and I, gave up our separate homes and moved into a new home, together. For a while, whilst we settled in, much of my stuff, including my hi-fi, went into storage. As a temporary measure, I purchased an ‘all in 1’ hi-fi system for around €600. It included class D amplification and an ES1938 DAC chip. It was shockingly good, for the price. A few months later, when I’d got my hi-fi out of storage and set it up, that class D unit became surplus to requirement.
Despite it being in imaculate condition, perfect working order and under guarantee, we could not sell it, or give it away. Nobody wanted it. It had no second hand or resale value! I think that’s the potential issue with the current trend toward inexpensive hi-fi. It doesn’t hold the value of its class A-B siblings. Is almost treated as ‘throw away’.
I've had no problems selling either surplus SMSL, Topping or other small stuff yet. Not at all.
Traditional hifi equipment on the other hand have become more and more difficult, nobody seems to want it due to size.
I think it is time forAiyima to jump on the ARC bandwagon!
What exactly, means - "...doesn't sound as good as - the more expensive amp...." ?? - Many of these tiny amps MEASURE extremely well, but reviewers, always tell, that the more expensive amps, sound better - even if those amps measure worse....
So - in what way this one sounds not as good as the big one -assuming you run it with a max possible PS ??
Yeah the Problem Just IS all my devices are RCS so i'd need 6 RCS Inputs.
Looks pretty cool 👍🏻