Gliderider I thought the same thing. How often does someone forget to fuel up at the end of the day because they want to get out of there. Now someone doesn’t plug it in oh it only needs 8 hours to charge instead of a 5 minute fill up.
Thumbs up Wayne! Ahem...I love this but you gotta be mindful of the comments below. Each and every one of them. I'm a backhoe guy 42 yrs & still at it and like everybody else we all prosper from only one thing. Production. Production can NOT be achieved with an "8" hr "battery" charge & bless his heart your guy in video that had to admit 4-6 hrs with a hammer etc. was in pain having to admit that. We get it. There's no way that you can put this on real backhoe owner/operators & lead men. But the good news is that we all see it & can comment on it & even dream about it. But Wayne you know it's gotta be realistic and so hang in there and consider the ugly fact that at this point in time we gotta go full blast with the current scenario of iron as it is. No pretty stuff. No green stuff. Only snarling ravenous yellow iron beasts that guzzle diesel fuel, hydraulic oil, GREASE, and for some gawdawful reason DEF fluid lol! But we all clicked on this & loved your passion in presenting that which just may happen someday! Cheers! PS I forgot to mention we backhoe guys are all CRAZY and it's a real tight community and we exist in every country on every continent. That's BROTHERHOOD. We await the real deal. Until then it's DIG! Load! Grade! Move material! Command EVERY JOBSITE with AUTHORITY!!!! HAMMERS FOREVER GRANITE CRUMBLES BEFORE US (time for another beer...burrrppp)
Philip, Man thanks so much for the comment. I totally understand where you're coming from and I agree. For most folks, this machine probably isn't ready for primetime. That's why Case is only making them as they're bought right now and they're primarily aiming them at utility companies rather than customers that are going to need to run a lot of attachments. Thanks for checking out the video and thanks for weighing in. We love hearing from the folks who are actually working in the cab day in and day out. Wayne
Omg priceless! Granite! Yeah lem'me hammer a couple hours then while I grease the point the service truck can swap out the battery! Ok ok just kidding and I get it too...and Case while you're at it lets please finish up the Model N emission upgrades & wiring harnesses-(especially in the all electric model??) In all seriousness it'll be a blast to run those when they actually hit the streets...dirt so to speak, Liked & sub'd. Thanks!
As a small municipality worker I think this is a great idea. I rarely spend more then 6hrs in our current 580 backhoe, mainly used for utility main repairs and snow removal. Only downfall is the price, smaller towns can’t afford the large price point. But looking forward to further R&D in the coming years.
Bobsyouruncle Wilson here is the issue I see as someone who owns about 25 pieces of equipment. This seems nice, however I am supposed to haul this piece of equipment to the shop every night to charge it? That seems counterproductive. Most of the job sites we work on do not have any electricity at all. So this might work good for cities and other situations where the machines are able to be charged every night but the majority of machines sit on job sites for a few days to a few months.
@@pedrogunner9750 i agree or what if you are snow plowing and need to use it for 20 hours straight. it might work if they made the battery pack easy to swap out.
The utility company’s around here showed up with a vac truck to dig holes so they could avoid damaging under ground cables eliminating locates they used backhoes only to bring dirt in for backfilling
Finally, a logical way to raise the Loader fast while approaching a Dump Truck very slowly in close proximity. You should be able to achieve much faster cycle times loading trucks, while being very fluid, articulate and graceful.
I am working on a utility crew now running track excavators, loaders and skid steers and I am seriously excited to think about quite, simple electric systems replacing today’s noisy, complex emissions compliant diesels. Unfortunately, I can’t see a built in battery system being viable for our jobs in the near future. Where to charge when a temporary service meter at an appropriate wattage may cost thousands, enough solar power would cover the sight, and you are the one laying the conduit?
Pretty cool hydraulics are amazing The electric vehicle thing is great k ok emissions etc. But we’re do you think the power comes from to charge it Through a wire system that most likely comes from a Diesel or coal power generator
Denny Little for those remote job. Gasoline and diesel will never be replaced. But let’s be real. These would work for 99% of municipalities and utilities
8 hours is the "average run time".... That means if you dig like a person trying to get a job done then you'll get about 2 hours of run time. Yes, the sale pitch guy said about 4 to 6 hours... but we ALL KNOW those numbers NEVER play out in the real world. I guess when we have a snow emergency in my area and the City calls for loaders and I subcontract them my 580s & operators to clean cul de sacs and intersections for 40 hours straight, I'm sure the city and citizens will be fine with me saying I can only work 8 hours then need 8 hours off to charge my batteries.... Oh wait, I won't be able to work 8 hours of actual plowing because I'll need to road run to the city yard for orders than I'll need to find a place to charge when I'm running low on power, I'll probably have to road run back to my shop that's an hour away. So more like 6 hours of plowing between charge. But you know what, my guys are not going to cut it that close between charges, they won't want to get stuck on the side of the road with dead batteries so they'll leave the city job to charge with some extra power still in the batteries just in case.... So now we're talking 5 hours of actual billable plowing time. What I really hate about this crap is how all this research and development is added to the cost of the 580s I buy now, I'm not a big utility company buying bare bones models, I buy loaded 580s for production and comfort for my guys. I've been in business since the late 90's and am shocked how the price tag for a new 580 has gone from $70K to 120 Thousand. All that crap like this does, is make me pay more of my hard earned money today for a 580 that will never work out in the real world tomorrow. They should wait till the power supply issue is figured out, then spend the money on developing a 580 around it. I mean who cares if they figured out how to separate drive train energy from hydraulic energy if the batteries can't give you a 12 hour day of hard digging off a 20 minute charge. So Stupid.
Clearly this isn't a machine that fits every single need of every single customer. Yes battery powered equipment will never be able to "refuel" as quickly as a diesel machine. However, development of new technology takes time and there always has to be a first iteration that will lead to even better products down the line. As for the price of the machines increases its pretty much just inflation... 70K in 1998 is 111K in 2020 dollars.
Snow clearing is where I'd expect this thing to preform the poorest. Your average power consumption plowing is likely to be much higher than digging. Throwing a boom around running two cylinders at a time isn't going to use anywhere the power of constantly driving back and forth plowing snow. Loading trucks with snow isn't going to as hard on battery as clearing lots. This eventually will be the future. At some point oil is going to get too expensive. That might be 50 years away yet. It might be far sooner. Right now oil is dirt cheap but that is going to cause many oil producers to go out of business. So when the economy cranks back up there will be shortages causing the price of oil to spike. Electric does have many advantages and there are solutions to the problems. The savings from running electric are significant. But the upfront cost needs to come down. Maybe they could make the hoe detachable and it gets an interchangeable battery pack in its place. So for plowing snow you have a battery truck that delivers battery's rather than a fuel truck. Have an option to detach the loader bucket and attach a battery for extended hoe operations. Loading a battery should be no different than changing a bucket/attachment. My view is that interchangeable batteries are a must on heavy equipment. In many cases you need to run 24/7. It's also going to be much cheaper to charge when the sun shines. So having batteries you can cycle from charging off the solar array to running equipment is a must. The batteries also need to be standardized. The backhoe, the skid loader, the mini all need to run the same packs. So for small operators you can have all 3 machines and only need 4 batteries. Each piece of equipment should have a smaller on board pack with enough power to run the machine for loading a new battery pack, getting on an off the trailer, etc.. The farming and mining world is where this stuff really needs to be deployed. Places where they can have big solar arrays to produce their own power. The panels are getting dirt cheap. The batteries are the only thing holding the change back.
I'm interested to see how this would play out in real world application. I'm Curious, does Case plan on selling an additional battery that could be easily changed out and charged off-machine, like an electric forklift? This would be the only ideal solution I could see to make it truly viable. One battery on charge, while one is in use. Also, I'm curious how the usage of the heater or a/c will impact the battery life, mainly thinking of colder climates. If the guy has to run the heater because the temperatures are below freezing, will he only get 4-6 hours of light usage out of the machine? I definitely think this could be the way of the future for many machines, and would really help us get away from the painful reality of DPF and SCR technology for emission controls. Way to go Case for the forward thinking!
Everybody's complaining about operating time. This is literally the first EV backhoe, and battery tech has a long way to go. Hold your horses, this machine isn't meant for every jobsite. In ten or 20 years, people will be wondering why we doubted EV tech.
I would suspect the claimed 8hr average working time comes in closer to 4 or 6 hrs real work. So a 6 hr work day and 8 hr recharge time equates to short days.
Bobsyouruncle Wilson : Case invented the backhoe, plain and simple. The first integrated tractor/hoe/loader(what the world knows as the backhoe) was in fact a Case machine. All previous designs were impractical and utterly useless. JCB should thank Case for showing them how it’s done or the dummies would still be hanging a shovel on the back of a damn farm tractor.
Hydraulic movements/cycle times seem slow compared to a regular machine. Good concept, and no doubt the power will be equivalent, but if its slower the operators aren't going to like it.
I think this is a great idea but maybe put a solar panel on the hood and cab roof I plow snow with my 580K and most of the time I run it 24-30 hours non stop in storms this 580Ev will be great for power company’s and small villages or towns I want to one digging and loading trucks , what happens when you trench threw a swamp and it sinks down to the frame
Most backhoe loaders are left on the construction work site until the work is completed. No company wants to haul this machine back&forth on a semi truck every day which will cost them more money in the long run. They need everyday users to help them design a machine not just the engineers.
The company that hired us to saw cut a 8" slab trenches for plumbing. They rented a pair of battery powered Georgia buggies and a small battery powered excavator. They had to remove the cut slab peaces of 8" thick 18" wide and 24" long. The soil was clay. The excavator even had a thumb great for the concrete. This machine performed excelent. It had no brand name on it just the rental company name.
It boggles my mind that everyone seems to have given up on swappable batteries. Yes, it would be an engineering challenge to come up with a way for such a large object to routinely moved about and plugged into the machine, but it's doable! It could be faster than refueling, even. When everybody goes home for the night, take the battery back to base and charge it! Or buy extra batteries and take them to the middle of nowhere, just like people already do with diesel. Extra batteries would cost extra money, but I'm just surprised that manufacturers aren't even giving the option. There are people out there who would buy this machine as-is. Surely there are other customers who would buy if if extra batteries could be swapped in.
It’s nice and all but I know it won’t have that same feels as you rev the shit out of the machine as you ram back and forth to try and get that bastard of tree stump out
Looks like Case did their homework and are getting ready for the future. Electrical equipment will not fit all applications but I think it will fit most. Some of the objections about battery recharging and battery life / cost will be resolved as time goes by. Be sure the systems all self monitor and are easily diagnosed by techs who may not be familiar with or scared of high voltage electrical systems or it will end up like LeTourneau's machines - which were innovative in their day but not reliable. I think electrical powered construction equipment will be the new standard within the next decade or two.
Well when it comes to digging and loading it should perform the same as a backhoe with a Diesel engine. Instead of a Diesel engine turning the hydraulic pump a electric motor is. A hydraulic pump just want to be turned at a certain rpm it doesn’t care what you turn it with diesel or electric. It should perform the same. Only difference is the length of time it will turn it. Diesel engine will turn it indefinitely where the electric battery will need to be charged. Obviously.
I'd say the caterpillar 420 is a good rubber tire for the fact it has an excavator style boom which allows you to have your boom down and is the curve allows you to reach over a fence a little better instead of the flat boom which will hit the fence or trying to reach over something that banana style boom allows you to do that. Plus loading a truck with the banana style boom allows your boom not to rub on the side of the truck the flat boom kinda hits the side. Really though I'd rather just use an excavator to load concrete with because you get so high with the the rubber tire it will come back in the cab if not a good grip on concrete slabs ect and the 326 cat excavator with a thumb or 325 320 all good for that. Not to mention tire cost when dealing with concrete rebar sharp rocks cut rite in the tires. Plus loading concrete in a truck with the rubber tire you can drop it on a hydro cylinder on the stabilizer the side of the truck it self with the excavator you can have a 360degree turn radius so the truck can pull to the back of the excavator if not enough Rome to pull to the side or having to move the backhoe ect. Then dealing with curb or big slabs or chunks you can put it in the truck without it get jammed in the bed or tailgate with the excavator not bang the hell out of the truck the bed the suspension just tear a truck up man. Then in pipe work an excavator can put it in the ditch with out hitting the boom with 20ft sticks and the quick tach multi attachments for the excavator
Sounds good,it can be usefull in short distance travel,or not big intense work,but it would be perfect,if htey designed it like an angle grinder,i mean possible to change the battery pack within 1 minute,some hidraulic lowering down under the machine,pulling out from there with hands,push the charged battery pack underneath it,plug in,and it lift itself up to in its place,and go again. Than it can be very usefull for longer days,or heavy dozer work,lorry loading with the front loader as well.
The drive motors and hydraulics are separated. Sooo, what happens when when Ralphy the bosses nephew gets it stuck and you need to drive and pull with the rear arm at the same time?
I agree but don't think it's a realistic idea yet, I bet that batterys weight and placement in the machine (because of it's weight you can't just put it anywhere without ruining the workable balance of the machine) makes it so un- handleable that it will remain fixed in place for a generation or two. I do think your idea is for sure in the future. Multi pack recharge ability is what would make diesel a dirty smelly thing of the past.
Bob Earl this battery is very similar to most EVs. Costing about $10k and lasting about 200k miles. And those number get better and better every year. In about 10 years solid state batteries are coming. Not any cheaper but last long and higher capacity
Phone batteries and vehicular batteries are built with vastly different tolerances and management systems that affect useful battery life. Keep in mind that while a battery will eventually wear down, you don't have oil changes to pay for, and electric motors often have 1-2 moving parts rather than thousands. Massive reduction in maintenance costs.
Thank you Case for bringing forward an electric tractor to life. Can't wait, amount of savings in maintenance and less money to big oil... Great deal... Would be awesome if case partnered with Tesla and do a cyber tractor.
It would be great if you can plug it in while its working.... For example .... if your just working the backhoe you plug it in while it sits there operating the backhoe
Idk it's hard to imagine construction going on without the smell of diesel in the air lol. Just nice clean no smell construction. imagine that. Oh not to mention noise! Monster truck noises! Construction sites of the future will sound like a bunch of robots playing in the playground.
Be nice to see it actually touch the dirt. They didn’t even get the teeth dirty. I like the idea but most contractors can’t shut down to charge after 8hrs.
why did you use a clickbait thumbnail . i like the concept of electric just wanted to see it at work like it appeared to be doing in the thumbnail . when people use clickbait they should have their beard hairs pulled out one at a time :))
My question is how long will the batteries last? What about all that waste I like electric vehicles and concepts but will the batteries out last a Diesel engine (meaning the charge cycles and electric motors) I’ve seen 700hp electric motors run 24hr 7days a week 365 can u rebuild this electric motor cheaper than the diesel motor?
"saving on maintenance" is a big joke ,there is coolant, oil ,grease fittings ,you just save on fuel ,but get screwed on battery pack worth a new vehicle after few years... You also will be charged a bunch for every little problem, depending on the manufacturer for all electronic diagnostics. Just look how it goes with Tesla,you will have the same here,maybe even worse seen the amount of vehicles produced is limited,so is the service centers ,and personnel able to work on it. JCB is good for digging in your wallet with that thing. Also 'im pretty sure you can keep that thing on a jobsite for few days,unless you can plug it in on site.
My only issue with this is the Battery Life and Charge Time. this model and current specs are definitely targeted towards light duty 8 hour crews. Not Heavy Duty overtime ones like I work in as a Mass Earthmover. its not uncommon for an excavation company like I work for to work 10, 12 or more hours straight. And some companies even go longer with their machines with timed operator swap outs. If Case really wants to get serious about offering an Electric Backhoe or any machine to the bigger companies, there are two things they need to tackle. First is increased battery life. To me, unless a machine can run 10-12 hours without needing to be serviced, it will never hold up against the rigorous demands of clients and companies on tight schedules. The second issue is charging. Needing at least 8 hours for a recharge is just not practical for companies that work long hours. Or better yet, job sites in remote areas. First they need to find a way to recharge a machine faster or better yet, a transferable energy pack that can be swapped out and replaced in only a few minutes. Much like a Battery Pack in your power tool at home. Also if you do need a charge up, the only options would be to rent or bring out one or more mobile generators or hard wire a temporary connection to existing electrical lines. These would have to be in designated staging areas where machines park and would also take up more room as well as have power cables scattered about. To me, the idea of Electric machines is great, I hope this becomes mainstream down the road, but in practicality, its far from becoming even a thought for large and busy excavation companies.
I was a test operator / demonstrator for JICase europe in the early 80s . 8 hr battery pack is useless really . Ive been out on hire for alot longer than 8hr repairing bust utilities . Ive driven for 2 or 3 hrs to get to and 8 hr shift on site then done the 2 to 3 hrs drive back . Be ok on a site that does 8 hr shifts with no travel time . You need 24hr battery with real fast recharging time to crack this id say . Thats what idve told Derek Cox my boss at Case ,
Good to see another Case guy comment. I believe this a market that will grow, however till they develop better batteries that will hold longer charges or smaller size with high capacities it will be a limited market. They need to put a small high output diesel generator to extend operating times. Also what they don't say is that the charge is for optimal conditions, the charge will be less in colder climates or other energy sapping conditions. Or how long the actual battery life is. At least they are trying to be part of the new market, instead of waiting and and coming in late to the market only to loose more market share.
Andy Knight that’s few and far between. Most municipalities and utilities don’t drive that far and only work 8hr days maybe 10s on long days. This would be perfect. Now In the near future batteries will be better to allow for the hardcore 12+ hour operators
@@devinbender8428 that may be the case where you are but ive been on hire to utility companies for the last 25 yrs . Including travel time id average 12 hrs per day but as stated its nothing unusual to be out for 20 hrs on a burst main . 24 hrs in my mind is the minimum you need to be offering . Otherwise its a very small market .
Andy Knight **** local utility and municipalities will benefit from this. Yes lots of larger utilities that are out in the boonies will not be able to use this. Also I agree around 24hr run time is need to be a truly viable. Figure on a busy day your working 10-12 hours then if there is an emergency you need another 8-10. Then add a 15% cushion. That’s roughly 24hrs. Which is very viable once solid state batteries hit the market in a couple years
I used to like case too many wiring problems with the newer models I work with big company it's either the wiring harness or the rear end bolts snapping on a 590 quality control on the hydraulic fittings valve body wash out on the backhoe biggest pile of junk last 2 years one last thing the bushings will spin in the backhoe on this machine that I know it was the Dipper I wouldn't waste your money
I've replaced everything you mentioned. Upper and lower wiring harness cost me 2 grand. Bushings on dipper and king pins spin and caused a bunch of damage. I had to tack with a welder to keep it from happening again. I've always loved my case equipment but the last 10 years their equipment has gone down hill. Don't even get me started on the DPF system.
A lot of construction sites in rural areas have no power. And municipality's work when power is out. And 8 hrs on some sites is not enough. If you have to use an generator, your defeating the purpose.
I can see a market for working in doors , but for now , Na, I prefer a JD410 with a motor thank you but no thank you. ps will job sites now be required to have EV chargers for teslas and back hoes
So, it costs more, but you save on maintenance, but you lose on productivity and need to replace the battery after 5 years. So, sounds like the diesel will still win out in the long run.
I must be missing something. Why not hybrid? Take this platform, if it works, and just put a small generator on it to keep batteries topped off. Seems like it would be much more practical. And does this thing actually perform at normal speeds. Video shows it moving slowly. How about longevity, battery life and all the electronic bugs that plague everything over time?
I don't understand how using electric translates into less emissions, Does it not take a plug to charge with electricity coming from that monster coal power plant or natural gas? I think I would just keep my very low emission diesel.
Do you think it would be more efficient if every home had a diesel generator powering it or if there was one central plant powering the entire neighborhood? Its always more efficient to have one central generation plant than thousands of individual generators... However its only truly produces zero emissions if your power comes from renewable or hydro...
I love electrics like Tesla and electric power equipment but this isn't going to go well. Max 8 hour run time sucks especially when you may need a generator to charge the machine or to take the equipment somewhere else every day to charge it.
It's going to be a long time before diesel is replaced. Refueling diesel =3 minutes. Batteries refueling =8 hours...ok for a home owner with snow removal. Not OK for a contractor or municipality foing massive snow removal...
This is just a joke, first of all the Backhoe was not created by CASE, the first backhoes were created by Wain-Roy in Massachusetts. lt's funny how he keeps talking about how great they are in Snow, how long does the battery last in the cold because very few snow storm are all cleaned up in 8 hours. Also for utilities al lot of water, sewer and gas repairs take longer than 8 hours to complete and how about gas shutdowns those can sometimes take several days on large mains??????
I'LL KEEP MY DIESEL EQUIPMENT !!! YEARS AND YEARS OF SERVICE !! THESE DO HAVE A NICHE, ( ENCLOSED SITES) , THOUGH IN TIME WE WILL SEE THE REST OF THE STORY............. ..
What if you can't bring the backhoe back to the shop every night on a big job and multi pieces of equipment on a job how could you charge every piece of equipment and is not simple if it dies in mid use due to a bad battery. Or if yoh get called out on an emergency water main break or some other emergency dig and the backhoe is not fully charged. Or say a big ice Strom knocks out the power or a big power outage and all the equipment needed to fix such a thing is half dead or can't be charged due to to outage and if you say a backup generator then I'm just going to say use a diesel engine truck or backhoe. Honestly all electric trucks cars equipment that is working the power grid more a harder drawling a lot of electricity for the power source itself.
I work jobs all day 12 hours sometimes! That electric ⚡️ POS won’t work for productivity! 👎👎 Their touting that your saving money 💰 however your loosing productivity! How is that saving you money & late on your job deadlines!
The fact that is only averages 8 hours on a good day is no bueno. It would be hard to justify spending more money on a machine that will be a small amount quieter plus has all the added expense and hassle of finding someone to work on the electric side. I think the concept is cool it’s just nowhere near practical at this point. I think they will end up taking a huge loss on that one.
Damn it Donnie didn’t plug the backhoe in last night! Guess we have the day off. 🍻🤸🏻♀️
Gliderider I thought the same thing. How often does someone forget to fuel up at the end of the day because they want to get out of there. Now someone doesn’t plug it in oh it only needs 8 hours to charge instead of a 5 minute fill up.
@@hpkntnw Day off without pay!?? I bet they will never forget that detail again! lol
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Life expectancy of battery and cost to replace? My 580 has 12000hours and I just change the oil and filters. It also runs 24hours
Thumbs up Wayne! Ahem...I love this but you gotta be mindful of the comments below. Each and every one of them. I'm a backhoe guy 42 yrs & still at it and like everybody else we all prosper from only one thing. Production. Production can NOT be achieved with an "8" hr "battery" charge & bless his heart your guy in video that had to admit 4-6 hrs with a hammer etc. was in pain having to admit that. We get it. There's no way that you can put this on real backhoe owner/operators & lead men. But the good news is that we all see it & can comment on it & even dream about it. But Wayne you know it's gotta be realistic and so hang in there and consider the ugly fact that at this point in time we gotta go full blast with the current scenario of iron as it is. No pretty stuff. No green stuff. Only snarling ravenous yellow iron beasts that guzzle diesel fuel, hydraulic oil, GREASE, and for some gawdawful reason DEF fluid lol!
But we all clicked on this & loved your passion in presenting that which just may happen someday!
Cheers!
PS I forgot to mention we backhoe guys are all CRAZY and it's a real tight community and we exist in every country on every continent. That's BROTHERHOOD. We await the real deal.
Until then it's DIG! Load! Grade! Move material! Command EVERY JOBSITE with AUTHORITY!!!!
HAMMERS FOREVER
GRANITE CRUMBLES BEFORE US
(time for another beer...burrrppp)
Philip,
Man thanks so much for the comment. I totally understand where you're coming from and I agree. For most folks, this machine probably isn't ready for primetime. That's why Case is only making them as they're bought right now and they're primarily aiming them at utility companies rather than customers that are going to need to run a lot of attachments. Thanks for checking out the video and thanks for weighing in. We love hearing from the folks who are actually working in the cab day in and day out.
Wayne
Omg priceless! Granite! Yeah lem'me hammer a couple hours then while I grease the point the service truck can swap out the battery! Ok ok just kidding and I get it too...and Case while you're at it lets please finish up the Model N emission upgrades & wiring harnesses-(especially in the all electric model??) In all seriousness it'll be a blast to run those when they actually hit the streets...dirt so to speak, Liked & sub'd. Thanks!
How's this gonna hold up in -30 in Canada during the winter!?
My grandson Adam will turn 3 years old this July. He is a HUGE FAN of CASE and can spend hours watching CASE backhoes on You Tube.
As a small municipality worker I think this is a great idea. I rarely spend more then 6hrs in our current 580 backhoe, mainly used for utility main repairs and snow removal. Only downfall is the price, smaller towns can’t afford the large price point. But looking forward to further R&D in the coming years.
We’re is the outlet? Oh Case has a fine line of generators!
i think they should have done hybrid first with a small diesel to keep the battery charged
@Bobsyouruncle Wilson i may not understand about why they did electric only but the machine sounds like it would be useless on a realworld job
Bobsyouruncle Wilson here is the issue I see as someone who owns about 25 pieces of equipment. This seems nice, however I am supposed to haul this piece of equipment to the shop every night to charge it? That seems counterproductive. Most of the job sites we work on do not have any electricity at all. So this might work good for cities and other situations where the machines are able to be charged every night but the majority of machines sit on job sites for a few days to a few months.
@@pedrogunner9750 i agree or what if you are snow plowing and need to use it for 20 hours straight. it might work if they made the battery pack easy to swap out.
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Jlg did that boom lifts
Small Honda recharged battery when low.
The utility company’s around here showed up with a vac truck to dig holes so they could avoid damaging under ground cables eliminating locates they used backhoes only to bring dirt in for backfilling
Finally, a logical way to raise the Loader fast while approaching a Dump Truck very slowly in close proximity. You should be able to achieve much faster cycle times loading trucks, while being very fluid, articulate and graceful.
I am working on a utility crew now running track excavators, loaders and skid steers and I am seriously excited to think about quite, simple electric systems replacing today’s noisy, complex emissions compliant diesels. Unfortunately, I can’t see a built in battery system being viable for our jobs in the near future. Where to charge when a temporary service meter at an appropriate wattage may cost thousands, enough solar power would cover the sight, and you are the one laying the conduit?
Is it just me or does anyone else kinda wish some of these “concept”/“show only” paint schemes and such would find their way to production?
Pretty cool hydraulics are amazing
The electric vehicle thing is great k ok emissions etc.
But we’re do you think the power comes from to charge it
Through a wire system that most likely comes from a Diesel or coal power generator
Might be good for urban utilities, but for those jobs out in the middle of nowhere? Do you just plug it in to the power bush, and wait?
Denny Little for those remote job. Gasoline and diesel will never be replaced. But let’s be real. These would work for 99% of municipalities and utilities
Devin Bender that machine is too fast for municipal work
OffRoad RiverFishing 🤣🤣🤣
my only thought for remote operation is to bring out a Diesel Electric generator, but you can see the irony in that.
Exactly
8 hours is the "average run time".... That means if you dig like a person trying to get a job done then you'll get about 2 hours of run time. Yes, the sale pitch guy said about 4 to 6 hours... but we ALL KNOW those numbers NEVER play out in the real world.
I guess when we have a snow emergency in my area and the City calls for loaders and I subcontract them my 580s & operators to clean cul de sacs and intersections for 40 hours straight, I'm sure the city and citizens will be fine with me saying I can only work 8 hours then need 8 hours off to charge my batteries....
Oh wait, I won't be able to work 8 hours of actual plowing because I'll need to road run to the city yard for orders than I'll need to find a place to charge when I'm running low on power, I'll probably have to road run back to my shop that's an hour away.
So more like 6 hours of plowing between charge. But you know what, my guys are not going to cut it that close between charges, they won't want to get stuck on the side of the road with dead batteries so they'll leave the city job to charge with some extra power still in the batteries just in case.... So now we're talking 5 hours of actual billable plowing time.
What I really hate about this crap is how all this research and development is added to the cost of the 580s I buy now, I'm not a big utility company buying bare bones models, I buy loaded 580s for production and comfort for my guys.
I've been in business since the late 90's and am shocked how the price tag for a new 580 has gone from $70K to 120 Thousand. All that crap like this does, is make me pay more of my hard earned money today for a 580 that will never work out in the real world tomorrow.
They should wait till the power supply issue is figured out, then spend the money on developing a 580 around it. I mean who cares if they figured out how to separate drive train energy from hydraulic energy if the batteries can't give you a 12 hour day of hard digging off a 20 minute charge.
So Stupid.
Clearly this isn't a machine that fits every single need of every single customer. Yes battery powered equipment will never be able to "refuel" as quickly as a diesel machine. However, development of new technology takes time and there always has to be a first iteration that will lead to even better products down the line. As for the price of the machines increases its pretty much just inflation... 70K in 1998 is 111K in 2020 dollars.
Snow clearing is where I'd expect this thing to preform the poorest. Your average power consumption plowing is likely to be much higher than digging. Throwing a boom around running two cylinders at a time isn't going to use anywhere the power of constantly driving back and forth plowing snow. Loading trucks with snow isn't going to as hard on battery as clearing lots.
This eventually will be the future. At some point oil is going to get too expensive. That might be 50 years away yet. It might be far sooner. Right now oil is dirt cheap but that is going to cause many oil producers to go out of business. So when the economy cranks back up there will be shortages causing the price of oil to spike.
Electric does have many advantages and there are solutions to the problems. The savings from running electric are significant. But the upfront cost needs to come down.
Maybe they could make the hoe detachable and it gets an interchangeable battery pack in its place. So for plowing snow you have a battery truck that delivers battery's rather than a fuel truck. Have an option to detach the loader bucket and attach a battery for extended hoe operations. Loading a battery should be no different than changing a bucket/attachment.
My view is that interchangeable batteries are a must on heavy equipment. In many cases you need to run 24/7. It's also going to be much cheaper to charge when the sun shines. So having batteries you can cycle from charging off the solar array to running equipment is a must.
The batteries also need to be standardized. The backhoe, the skid loader, the mini all need to run the same packs. So for small operators you can have all 3 machines and only need 4 batteries. Each piece of equipment should have a smaller on board pack with enough power to run the machine for loading a new battery pack, getting on an off the trailer, etc..
The farming and mining world is where this stuff really needs to be deployed. Places where they can have big solar arrays to produce their own power. The panels are getting dirt cheap. The batteries are the only thing holding the change back.
My only question is, can i run the back end with outriggers up while driving the machine? I do this alot to save time ;)
Congrats! Watching from Ontario Canada
what is the charging equipment that will be required?
8 Hours a day is not enough. I operate sometimes solidly depending on the job between 10-11 hours a day .
You switch with a fully charge battery duhh
@@mrdoctor3496 This is not a tv remote u can change battery duhh
John Melhuish most municipalities and utilities only need that. In the future (near future) batteries will easily make 10-12 hours of solid use
I'm interested to see how this would play out in real world application. I'm Curious, does Case plan on selling an additional battery that could be easily changed out and charged off-machine, like an electric forklift? This would be the only ideal solution I could see to make it truly viable. One battery on charge, while one is in use. Also, I'm curious how the usage of the heater or a/c will impact the battery life, mainly thinking of colder climates. If the guy has to run the heater because the temperatures are below freezing, will he only get 4-6 hours of light usage out of the machine? I definitely think this could be the way of the future for many machines, and would really help us get away from the painful reality of DPF and SCR technology for emission controls. Way to go Case for the forward thinking!
Everybody's complaining about operating time. This is literally the first EV backhoe, and battery tech has a long way to go. Hold your horses, this machine isn't meant for every jobsite. In ten or 20 years, people will be wondering why we doubted EV tech.
Rowan Killough it not going to work because a lot of stuff I know is going to have and a lot of jobs r going to die if they make this
I would suspect the claimed 8hr average working time comes in closer to 4 or 6 hrs real work. So a 6 hr work day and 8 hr recharge time equates to short days.
Case did not invent the backhoe. Wain'Roy and JCB were ten years ahead of them.
Yes, Thank-you!
They developed the first worthwhile backhoe, JCBs are junk.
Jcb é uma porcaria
Bobsyouruncle Wilson : Case invented the backhoe, plain and simple. The first integrated tractor/hoe/loader(what the world knows as the backhoe) was in fact a Case machine. All previous designs were impractical and utterly useless. JCB should thank Case for showing them how it’s done or the dummies would still be hanging a shovel on the back of a damn farm tractor.
JCB is pure junk
8 HR maybe it tough to swallow need 10 hr min in 30 ° weather. Other part is what do you plug it into on a site to recharge?
I love the sound of a case backhoe!!!
When I was a kid I loved the sound of a big bad A$$ Dynahoe Backhoe...that Detroit engine was music to my ears.
Hydraulic movements/cycle times seem slow compared to a regular machine.
Good concept, and no doubt the power will be equivalent, but if its slower the operators aren't going to like it.
How much is it going to be?
I think this is a great idea but maybe put a solar panel on the hood and cab roof I plow snow with my 580K and most of the time I run it 24-30 hours non stop in storms this 580Ev will be great for power company’s and small villages or towns I want to one digging and loading trucks , what happens when you trench threw a swamp and it sinks down to the frame
Most backhoe loaders are left on the construction work site until the work is completed. No company wants to haul this machine back&forth on a semi truck every day which will cost them more money in the long run. They need everyday users to help them design a machine not just the engineers.
This application would work best for the farmers since they are able to plug this machine in every night.,not so great for construction companies.
Stupid Question , Being most Jobsites Have no Electric until Later phases ? You plug it into The Diesel Generator or Gas Generator to Charge it ?
Nice and quiet, no drive train , no complex engine, no transmision , no oil changes, sign me up
The company that hired us to saw cut a 8" slab trenches for plumbing. They rented a pair of battery powered Georgia buggies and a small battery powered excavator. They had to remove the cut slab peaces of 8" thick 18" wide and 24" long. The soil was clay. The excavator even had a thumb great for the concrete. This machine performed excelent. It had no brand name on it just the rental company name.
Sérieux, ça va être malade comme machine, Bravo a Case pour écouté le marché et sortir une machines electrique
Eric must have ate too many gummies in Vegas.
Damn
I hope Elon musk doesn't go knocking on JCBs door
It boggles my mind that everyone seems to have given up on swappable batteries. Yes, it would be an engineering challenge to come up with a way for such a large object to routinely moved about and plugged into the machine, but it's doable! It could be faster than refueling, even. When everybody goes home for the night, take the battery back to base and charge it! Or buy extra batteries and take them to the middle of nowhere, just like people already do with diesel. Extra batteries would cost extra money, but I'm just surprised that manufacturers aren't even giving the option. There are people out there who would buy this machine as-is. Surely there are other customers who would buy if if extra batteries could be swapped in.
It’s nice and all but I know it won’t have that same feels as you rev the shit out of the machine as you ram back and forth to try and get that bastard of tree stump out
Looks like Case did their homework and are getting ready for the future. Electrical equipment will not fit all applications but I think it will fit most. Some of the objections about battery recharging and battery life / cost will be resolved as time goes by. Be sure the systems all self monitor and are easily diagnosed by techs who may not be familiar with or scared of high voltage electrical systems or it will end up like LeTourneau's machines - which were innovative in their day but not reliable. I think electrical powered construction equipment will be the new standard within the next decade or two.
Until I see the buckets in the ground digging serious trenches and loading heavy material I’m not interested
Well when it comes to digging and loading it should perform the same as a backhoe with a Diesel engine. Instead of a Diesel engine turning the hydraulic pump a electric motor is. A hydraulic pump just want to be turned at a certain rpm it doesn’t care what you turn it with diesel or electric. It should perform the same. Only difference is the length of time it will turn it. Diesel engine will turn it indefinitely where the electric battery will need to be charged. Obviously.
@@Hesthegreatest1 they do run out of diesel as well ?
I'd say the caterpillar 420 is a good rubber tire for the fact it has an excavator style boom which allows you to have your boom down and is the curve allows you to reach over a fence a little better instead of the flat boom which will hit the fence or trying to reach over something that banana style boom allows you to do that. Plus loading a truck with the banana style boom allows your boom not to rub on the side of the truck the flat boom kinda hits the side. Really though I'd rather just use an excavator to load concrete with because you get so high with the the rubber tire it will come back in the cab if not a good grip on concrete slabs ect and the 326 cat excavator with a thumb or 325 320 all good for that. Not to mention tire cost when dealing with concrete rebar sharp rocks cut rite in the tires. Plus loading concrete in a truck with the rubber tire you can drop it on a hydro cylinder on the stabilizer the side of the truck it self with the excavator you can have a 360degree turn radius so the truck can pull to the back of the excavator if not enough Rome to pull to the side or having to move the backhoe ect. Then dealing with curb or big slabs or chunks you can put it in the truck without it get jammed in the bed or tailgate with the excavator not bang the hell out of the truck the bed the suspension just tear a truck up man. Then in pipe work an excavator can put it in the ditch with out hitting the boom with 20ft sticks and the quick tach multi attachments for the excavator
Design the wonder full 💯 successfully model ,best of luck
What tire package is on this machine?
Sounds good,it can be usefull in short distance travel,or not big intense work,but it would be perfect,if htey designed it like an angle grinder,i mean possible to change the battery pack within 1 minute,some hidraulic lowering down under the machine,pulling out from there with hands,push the charged battery pack underneath it,plug in,and it lift itself up to in its place,and go again.
Than it can be very usefull for longer days,or heavy dozer work,lorry loading with the front loader as well.
So if you don’t have electricity around to charge it over night I guess you would have to use a diesel generator.
If you work in areas that don't have access to electricity you would buy the diesel version...
The drive motors and hydraulics are separated. Sooo, what happens when when Ralphy the bosses nephew gets it stuck and you need to drive and pull with the rear arm at the same time?
How cold was the test
It should have a slide in-out battery pack so it could keep working while the #1 battery is being charged.
I agree but don't think it's a realistic idea yet, I bet that batterys weight and placement in the machine (because of it's weight you can't just put it anywhere without ruining the workable balance of the machine) makes it so un- handleable that it will remain fixed in place for a generation or two. I do think your idea is for sure in the future. Multi pack recharge ability is what would make diesel a dirty smelly thing of the past.
300lb.battery pack ! ? I'm not changing that !!!
Also I wonder how much that battery cost to replace I can't even keep my cell phone battery alive for more than a year
Bob Earl this battery is very similar to most EVs. Costing about $10k and lasting about 200k miles. And those number get better and better every year. In about 10 years solid state batteries are coming. Not any cheaper but last long and higher capacity
Phone batteries and vehicular batteries are built with vastly different tolerances and management systems that affect useful battery life.
Keep in mind that while a battery will eventually wear down, you don't have oil changes to pay for, and electric motors often have 1-2 moving parts rather than thousands. Massive reduction in maintenance costs.
I'm not in construction at all but I want one. What would be a good excuse for me to buy one?
@Bobsyouruncle Wilson I dig it!
This is fantastic. Can you make a video show de bateries and the internal systems?
I think in Brasil will be so expensive!
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This is a gimmick to get government contracts
Did they go over how to charge the batteries? If there is going to be a solar charger or what is required for remote locations?
Some (a lot) of adjustment may be required.
Thank you Case for bringing forward an electric tractor to life. Can't wait, amount of savings in maintenance and less money to big oil... Great deal... Would be awesome if case partnered with Tesla and do a cyber tractor.
4 to 8 hours of run time is perfect
Didn't i hear that these came with a rose petal scented airfreshner for the cab?😂😂
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4 stick available?
Case should be thinking about putting solar panels on the roof
It would be great if you can plug it in while its working....
For example .... if your just working the backhoe you plug it in while it sits there operating the backhoe
Idk it's hard to imagine construction going on without the smell of diesel in the air lol. Just nice clean no smell construction. imagine that. Oh not to mention noise! Monster truck noises! Construction sites of the future will sound like a bunch of robots playing in the playground.
Be nice to see it actually touch the dirt. They didn’t even get the teeth dirty. I like the idea but most contractors can’t shut down to charge after 8hrs.
why did you use a clickbait thumbnail . i like the concept of electric just wanted to see it at work like it appeared to be doing in the thumbnail . when people use clickbait they should have their beard hairs pulled out one at a time :))
Make it have an hour or so longer battery life with a top of the line solar panel on the cab.
My question is how long will the batteries last? What about all that waste I like electric vehicles and concepts but will the batteries out last a Diesel engine (meaning the charge cycles and electric motors) I’ve seen 700hp electric motors run 24hr 7days a week 365 can u rebuild this electric motor cheaper than the diesel motor?
What is the zero to 60 time on these? Can it beat a Porsche 911 in a drag race?
"saving on maintenance" is a big joke ,there is coolant, oil ,grease fittings ,you just save on fuel ,but get screwed on battery pack worth a new vehicle after few years...
You also will be charged a bunch for every little problem, depending on the manufacturer for all electronic diagnostics.
Just look how it goes with Tesla,you will have the same here,maybe even worse seen the amount of vehicles produced is limited,so is the service centers ,and personnel able to work on it.
JCB is good for digging in your wallet with that thing.
Also 'im pretty sure you can keep that thing on a jobsite for few days,unless you can plug it in on site.
My only issue with this is the Battery Life and Charge Time. this model and current specs are definitely targeted towards light duty 8 hour crews. Not Heavy Duty overtime ones like I work in as a Mass Earthmover. its not uncommon for an excavation company like I work for to work 10, 12 or more hours straight. And some companies even go longer with their machines with timed operator swap outs. If Case really wants to get serious about offering an Electric Backhoe or any machine to the bigger companies, there are two things they need to tackle. First is increased battery life. To me, unless a machine can run 10-12 hours without needing to be serviced, it will never hold up against the rigorous demands of clients and companies on tight schedules. The second issue is charging. Needing at least 8 hours for a recharge is just not practical for companies that work long hours. Or better yet, job sites in remote areas. First they need to find a way to recharge a machine faster or better yet, a transferable energy pack that can be swapped out and replaced in only a few minutes. Much like a Battery Pack in your power tool at home. Also if you do need a charge up, the only options would be to rent or bring out one or more mobile generators or hard wire a temporary connection to existing electrical lines. These would have to be in designated staging areas where machines park and would also take up more room as well as have power cables scattered about. To me, the idea of Electric machines is great, I hope this becomes mainstream down the road, but in practicality, its far from becoming even a thought for large and busy excavation companies.
ISAFMobius18 definitely geared to light duty utility work. But near future will have faster charging and longer life
I was a test operator / demonstrator for JICase europe in the early 80s . 8 hr battery pack is useless really . Ive been out on hire for alot longer than 8hr repairing bust utilities . Ive driven for 2 or 3 hrs to get to and 8 hr shift on site then done the 2 to 3 hrs drive back . Be ok on a site that does 8 hr shifts with no travel time . You need 24hr battery with real fast recharging time to crack this id say . Thats what idve told Derek Cox my boss at Case ,
So... recharge in the hour of lunch. I hope they develope a portable recharge.
Good to see another Case guy comment. I believe this a market that will grow, however till they develop better batteries that will hold longer charges or smaller size with high capacities it will be a limited market. They need to put a small high output diesel generator to extend operating times.
Also what they don't say is that the charge is for optimal conditions, the charge will be less in colder climates or other energy sapping conditions. Or how long the actual battery life is.
At least they are trying to be part of the new market, instead of waiting and and coming in late to the market only to loose more market share.
Andy Knight that’s few and far between. Most municipalities and utilities don’t drive that far and only work 8hr days maybe 10s on long days. This would be perfect. Now In the near future batteries will be better to allow for the hardcore 12+ hour operators
@@devinbender8428 that may be the case where you are but ive been on hire to utility companies for the last 25 yrs . Including travel time id average 12 hrs per day but as stated its nothing unusual to be out for 20 hrs on a burst main . 24 hrs in my mind is the minimum you need to be offering . Otherwise its a very small market .
Andy Knight **** local utility and municipalities will benefit from this. Yes lots of larger utilities that are out in the boonies will not be able to use this. Also I agree around 24hr run time is need to be a truly viable. Figure on a busy day your working 10-12 hours then if there is an emergency you need another 8-10. Then add a 15% cushion. That’s roughly 24hrs. Which is very viable once solid state batteries hit the market in a couple years
You save all that money, until it goes to the shop for the first time because no one can work on it
Nothing to work on its electric. Change the light bulb and GO
what is the tach for
Russ Weir RPM of the PTO
I used to like case too many wiring problems with the newer models I work with big company it's either the wiring harness or the rear end bolts snapping on a 590 quality control on the hydraulic fittings valve body wash out on the backhoe biggest pile of junk last 2 years one last thing the bushings will spin in the backhoe on this machine that I know it was the Dipper I wouldn't waste your money
I've replaced everything you mentioned. Upper and lower wiring harness cost me 2 grand. Bushings on dipper and king pins spin and caused a bunch of damage. I had to tack with a welder to keep it from happening again. I've always loved my case equipment but the last 10 years their equipment has gone down hill. Don't even get me started on the DPF system.
Oh no I have to check my oil and fuel
Haha
Lithium mining is a horrible thing
Like to see electric conversion for a diesel model
Price
A lot of construction sites in rural areas have no power. And municipality's work when power is out. And 8 hrs on some sites is not enough. If you have to use an generator, your defeating the purpose.
so it can only work for around 4 hours at a time, yikes, imagine these people thinking any company will buy this over diesel. again yikes
So I can avoid getting dirty checking my machine in the morning. Guess it doesn't need grease ? 🤔
Super! Time to get rid of dirty diesel. 👍
I can see a market for working in doors , but for now , Na, I prefer a JD410 with a motor thank you but no thank you. ps will job sites now be required to have EV chargers for teslas and back hoes
Bid 10-4 on the 410 brother
Case N series have nightmare emissions & main harness issues. Impossible to maintain. Cheers!
So, it costs more, but you save on maintenance, but you lose on productivity and need to replace the battery after 5 years. So, sounds like the diesel will still win out in the long run.
Es una belleza.
Needs to be 10 hour min on the battery
haven't seen one yet.
I must be missing something. Why not hybrid? Take this platform, if it works, and just put a small generator on it to keep batteries topped off. Seems like it would be much more practical. And does this thing actually perform at normal speeds. Video shows it moving slowly. How about longevity, battery life and all the electronic bugs that plague everything over time?
I don't understand how using electric translates into less emissions, Does it not take a plug to charge with electricity coming from that monster coal power plant or natural gas? I think I would just keep my very low emission diesel.
Do you think it would be more efficient if every home had a diesel generator powering it or if there was one central plant powering the entire neighborhood? Its always more efficient to have one central generation plant than thousands of individual generators... However its only truly produces zero emissions if your power comes from renewable or hydro...
I love electrics like Tesla and electric power equipment but this isn't going to go well. Max 8 hour run time sucks especially when you may need a generator to charge the machine or to take the equipment somewhere else every day to charge it.
Jordan Broadhead most municipalities utilities go back to the shop at the end of the shift
Stark proof we are now living in the future!
CA emissions has systematically driven diesel into the ground. We are being forced from diesel. It's a very expensive game.
not if you think long term
Elon's Cyber Backhoe is coming soon!
HE CAN SELL THEM TO MOVE STARS .
It's going to be a long time before diesel is replaced. Refueling diesel =3 minutes. Batteries refueling =8 hours...ok for a home owner with snow removal. Not OK for a contractor or municipality foing massive snow removal...
This is just a joke, first of all the Backhoe was not created by CASE, the first backhoes were created by Wain-Roy in Massachusetts. lt's funny how he keeps talking about how great they are in Snow, how long does the battery last in the cold because very few snow storm are all cleaned up in 8 hours. Also for utilities al lot of water, sewer and gas repairs take longer than 8 hours to complete and how about gas shutdowns those can sometimes take several days on large mains??????
No No No the guy said it was created in one of case's "secret labs"
Diesel diesel diesel
I'LL KEEP MY DIESEL EQUIPMENT !!!
YEARS AND YEARS OF SERVICE !!
THESE DO HAVE A NICHE, ( ENCLOSED SITES) , THOUGH IN TIME WE WILL SEE THE REST OF THE STORY............. ..
It needs at least a 10 hour battery life
What if you can't bring the backhoe back to the shop every night on a big job and multi pieces of equipment on a job how could you charge every piece of equipment and is not simple if it dies in mid use due to a bad battery. Or if yoh get called out on an emergency water main break or some other emergency dig and the backhoe is not fully charged. Or say a big ice Strom knocks out the power or a big power outage and all the equipment needed to fix such a thing is half dead or can't be charged due to to outage and if you say a backup generator then I'm just going to say use a diesel engine truck or backhoe. Honestly all electric trucks cars equipment that is working the power grid more a harder drawling a lot of electricity for the power source itself.
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I work jobs all day 12 hours sometimes! That electric ⚡️ POS won’t work for productivity! 👎👎 Their touting that your saving money 💰 however your loosing productivity! How is that saving you money & late on your job deadlines!
Leonard Russo good point
Next years backhoe will run on nothing but happy thoughts.
We drop it, gravity does the rest
The fact that is only averages 8 hours on a good day is no bueno. It would be hard to justify spending more money on a machine that will be a small amount quieter plus has all the added expense and hassle of finding someone to work on the electric side. I think the concept is cool it’s just nowhere near practical at this point. I think they will end up taking a huge loss on that one.