NEW JEEP CEO ADMITS THEY SCREWED UP WITH THE GRAND WAGONEER
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- In this video I share my thoughts on the recent news from the new Jeep CEO where he shared where they went wrong with the Grand Wagoneer.
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I had a wagoneer. Wife couldn't wait to buy it. She loved it, until it spent 4 months in the shop for engine and electrical issues. Bought it new and got rid of it as soon as I could. If Stellantis wants to succeed, they need to lower their prices and replace the plastic parts in the hurricane with metal parts. The hurricane engine is a piece of junk and putting that engine across the lineup for all brands is guaranteeing that Stellantis fails.
What’s plastic on it? I’ve heard of plastic BMW oil pans and that makes me shiver…
Thermostat. And once it locks up, bye bye engine real quick@@Theweouthereforrealclub-
There's your problem right there: "if Stellantis wants to succeed." Blackrock owns almost 4% of Stellantis (horrible name for a car company), they hate autos (and people). Success is not their highest priority. There are also many Europeans who despise large trucks and Jeep in particular. Sure, they want the profits, but don't underestimate just how their anti-American, anti large vehicle bias affects their thinking. They want to change us and control us.
Bill, the sheer of amount of lies that you constantly post on this channel is mind-boggling
@@RONderluck I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me. You must be a salesman for CDJR. I actually own 5 stellantis vehicles, all of which are very reliable, but they also all have either the 5.7 hemi or the pentastar v6. They have all been very good vehicles and reliable. When we bought our wagoneer, with the hurricane engine, we had nothing but problems with it, from day 1 and we purchased it new. The engine is full of plastic parts. For example, the dipstick being removed and replaced with an oil monitor sensor at the bottom of the motor. In order to replace the sensor, which ours failed, you have to lift the entire body off of the frame, then remove the engine to get to the plastic part at the bottom of the engine, as the frame covers the part.
The wagoneer, while it looks great, is not designed or engineered very well. This is from our actual experience with one, not based upon any lies that you claim I am spreading. I have very rarely posted to this channel and I have nothing but enormous respect for Brad and his channel. The wagoneer is based upon the Ram 1500 and now that Stellantis has put the Hurricane engine into the 1500, we are starting to see some of the same issues with the 1500. If Stellantis expects to survive, its time to re engineer the Hurricane and fix the problems. I'm sure that the upcoming Charger with the Hurricane engine will have the same issues. My Stellantis purchases are on hold until these issues are fixed, other wise, I'm going to Ford or GM.
I own a beautiful SUV with a V8- NO turbo. Oh, it's a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. LOVE IT.
I own the last real Wagoner: 1989 Grand Wagoner 4x4 Limited. It has been completely restored and upgraded with quality of life improvements (I’m looking at you fuel system) and it’s amazing. I have no plans to sell it. My last few improvements include some interior upgrades for comfort, real Teakwood (to match my boat I resorted and have left over wood) instead of the wood stickers and some new sound. That’s it.
@@BigHueJanus Keep it. It’s the car many of us only wish we had. Kudos to your insight & appreciation of one of the last great ones.
I have a 99 XJ that ive owned since 2000... its been dependable and jts breaks my heart how bad it fell off just to my 06 Grand Cherokee which has been a total piece of trash... seat belt won't even work
Stellantis doesn't have a clue about the American market. They would try to sell an Alfa clone here and expect us to pay extra for it (oh, they did that with the Hornet) even though we don't buy Alfas.
They have an EGO problem that tells them Alfa Romeo is the greatest car company on the planet.
@@manuelsmiley7125Alfa has a richhistory that a company like stellantis can’t possibly understand and market.
@2steaksandwiches665 Alfa Romeo has been abnormal sales wise since 1971 and the Italians still can't get anyone to bypass BMW for a Alfa instead. No one wants a car called Alfa Romeo, it's ugly and the name is Goofy.. even with the Giorgio platform, no one wants Alfa Romeo whatsoever.
@@rogerrussell9544 Some Alfas are great, some had their time, some are dogs. The spiders up to the early '70's were fun and a joy to drive. Even the last ones imported into the US in the early '90's were decent. They had some great engines and unique designs, but they never really competed with BMW in sedans until the 2015 Giulia - a nice, attractive car - but it was first modern sedan whereas BMW was on generation six.
The Stelvio was an okay SUV, but was also immature compared to US and Japanese offerings.
The 8C and 4C were amazing, but were in a completely different class than everything else.
As you implied, they are not tailored to the US market. Bringing a small number properly badged for diehard Alfa fans made sense, rebadging was doomed and would never have broad appeal.
Buying a high line care, you deserve high line service and care. Had that with Cadillac dealers for years.
Reminds me of a guy on the viper forums that bought a new Viper TA and it had issues, they gave him a base model Chrysler 200 to drive.
My 2018 Jeep Trackhawk was $94K brand new way back then. I bought it used in 2021 because there's no way average guys can afford these inflated prices. Jeep has been price gouging for years based on the nameplate.
This has been a long standing problem with the Chrysler lineup. Chrysler used to compete toe to toe with Cadillac and Lincoln, but went down market in the 80's and 90's and now the public doesn't think Chrysler is a premium brand. Meanwhile, Jeep has slowly gone up-market and Stellantis thought they could jump the shark with the Grand Wagoneer, but went too far with it.
Compare the Grand Wagoneer to it's actual competition, the GMC Yukon XL, and Ford Expedition MAX, and you see Jeep was aggressive, but not completely brain dead. The GMC Yukon XL starts in base trim at 71K and goes up to a base price of 104K for the Denali Ultimate. The expedition MAX starts at 65K and goes up to 85K. If Ford had a mid-market brand like Mercury still, I would expect the same 5-10K add to match the GMC. Now let's look a the "luxury" stable mates at Cadillac and Lincoln. The Escalade ESV, starts at 92K and goes all the way up to 165K for the V-series. Over at Lincoln, the Navigator L starts at 100K and goes up to 120K.
The problem is not that the Grand Wagoneer costs 100K, the problem is Chrysler has no brand reputation to charge that much for their products. If the same truck launched as a Chrysler branded product at the same price, we'd be saying the same thing, maybe worse. Jeep was the only option for Stellantis because people are more than happy to spend 60K on a WRANGLER, which doesn't have near the luxury of the Grand Wagoneer.
Spot on. Bought my wife a Range Rover for her 50th birthday. The excitement quickly faded after that pos spent more time in the shop than on the road (not exaggerating). There is no way in hell I would pay luxury money for a Dodge for the same quality. We bought a Chevy Blazer RS and 3 years in, not one shop visit. Doesn't have the same luxury feel but it's damn close and at 53k, it's damn near half the price of that RR. Can't put a price on reliability and piece of mind.
I have a 2022 Grand Wagoneer with 97,000 miles on it and it has been flawless. It has the 6.4L Hemi. It is the nicest vehicle I have ever owned. That being said it is time for a new one and I won’t buy the Hurricane engine.
Inflation and the transition to BEVs has played havoc with the auto industry. Don’t expect things to change any time soon.
I love my 2035 jeep grand wagoneer I paid slightly under $750 grand came with free tank of gas too !!!
The only mistake they made was building a Chrysler Town and Country while marketing it as a Jeep Grand Wagoneer with Chrysler prices.
So well articulated..providing luxury level experience, with a product that could go feature for feature, at a price to undercut high end luxury brands, would have given them a competitive advantage via ADDED VALUE -The only true approach to new found growth..
Their prices are insane. I’d rather restore the original one and drive that.
My grandparents owned a Grand Wagoneer in the 80's, it was First Class through & through!
Hahaha Jeep Grand StationWagon-neer LOL 😆 like you have said several times.."They have lost their ever loving mind" 🤣 (also, the price of it - way way too much!)
Another great update. Thx for sharing.
This is why Jeep didnt put the Jeep nameplate on the Grand Wagoneer to separate this luxury SUV from the rest of their downmaket offerings
And that clearly worked great!
Thing is Jeep came out and said we're a luxury brand now. I was working in one of their plants when it happened. If they wanted to differentiate they would have came up with a different grill....
@HonestUAWElectrician or spun off a brand that offered a better dealership experience, upmarket interiors and sound deadening, and very high quality standards, like Lexus. But even Lexus has the advantage of Toyota's reputation to build on.
Jeep's reputation has faltered, no fault of the people building them, but the misplaced priorities of Stellantis. When I bought my Jeep years ago, they had a good reputation for quality and longevity. "Just empty every pocket" referred to the addiction to modifications common among owners, not high TCO for factory units. 🙂
The Grand Wagoneer is quite possibly the ugliest vehicle made in the last decade or two.
If dealers got forced into loaners and rentals……that would probably very definitely step up the dealership service times.
What didn’t help was customers paying them prices to begin with. Local dealership to me has a 2024 Grand Wagoneer and have discounted 27k 😝 still sitting in the showroom
There is a reason it's still sitting the I 6 engine our 2023 went back at 2337 miles and 4 months in the shop
Friend of mine had to replace his Jeep Cherokee with 350K miles that he bought new.
Ended up buying a BMW, said it was a better deal then what Jeep had.
I had an interesting experience several years ago with the Infiniti dealership in Bloomington MN. I saw they had, of all things, a used like new 2015 Hyundai Elantra Limited with 18,000 miles for sale for a ridiculously low price. I couldn’t come anywhere near a price like that anywhere else. It was literally $4,000 less than an equivalent one in a tri state area. After I bought it I asked the sales manager why so cheap. He just said they don’t focus on used cars but this came in as a trade in and they just wanted it gone basically. But I was treated so well at that dealership you’d think I was buying one of their top of the line Infinitis’. The dealership was luxurious. Free donuts and danishes. Coffee and soda. They din’t treat me any different than their affluent customers. They have a lot of Minnesota sports stars come there to buy. I felt High class. The car BTW was great. Loved it actually. Fun to drive. Fantastic gas mileage. Zero problems. Had to sell it with 120,000 miles because of the easy to steal thing that happened.
Damn they gave you a donut for taking that eyesore off their lot.
@ I think it actually looked just fine. And it had all the gadgets because it was a limited. I don’t really care what my car looks like anyway. Not probably even 10th on the list of top ten things I look for. Main thing is price (it was literally thousands below any book value) and reliability. I got 100,000 totally trouble free miles at 42 MPG (mainly highway). Didn’t have to do a thing to it except change tires and oil. Even drove unbelievably great in the snow. Absolutely everything worked on it when I sold it. Zero body rust. Love it!
They should have kept the grand Cherokee srt with the older body and maybe give it a subtle modern change.
me sitting on the sideline waiting go grab a 392 wrangler 20th edition for a good price CAD prices for anything with some power is nuts
I hope the guys at Jeep counting on a lot of people cross shopping Jeeps with BMWs, Land Rovers and Mercedes will share some of whatever it is they're on.
great video hope all is good stay safe.
Bring back the AMC Eagle as a direct competitor to Subaru. I6, no frills, AWD. Keep the chunky 80s grille.
jeep needs an eagle car
The local Dodge and separate Jeep dealers in our area provide Enterprise rental at no cost.
My buddy grabbed a loaded dealer demo for $65,000 this summer. $106,000 sticker. He played golf with the actual dealer and said he was looking for a new vehicle since he had a growing family. The dealer said make me an offer. He did, almost embarrassed to say the number, and the dealer said sure. 😂 nice. It Was only 14 months old.
Why is that good. It's still a huge rip off at $65k
@ oh absolutely not. Loaded grand wagoneer at $65,000 with super low miles and still under warranty is a great buy. You’d only say that if you hadn’t spent time In One.
@@jagpilotohio Agree. We've rented them on road trips and in my opinion, way nicer than a Suburban.
Thr big reality is most of us still cant buy that wagoneer if it was lowered to $50k tomorrow. Year after year auto makers raise prices alot more than the average middle class family can fit into the budget. Every automaker only wants to cater to the wealthiest people.
Just rented one for a week in Florida. What an unimpressive vehicle and once you factor in the price, it's a joke.
@@dmcars147 Tampa? Black? I think I am renting it this week
As a former dealer look at the Lexus suvs
No thanks. Not giving money to a Japanese company.
Jeep needs to remember where it came from. Off road capability. If they stay focused on that they'll be ok. There is a loyal group to the brand, but they only want vehicles that can hit the dirt and are priced reasonably.
An uber home 😂😂 no wayyy
Why dont the Wagoneer move to the Chrysler lineup since Chrysler is supposed to be the luxury line of vehicles?
CDJR aren't that smart😂😂
Historically the Wagoneer has been a Jeep product going all the way back to the 1960's. Also truthfully Chrysler has never screamed luxury to me.
@@stuglenn1112the old Wagoneer was actually cool. The new Wagoneer is hideous looking. Same with the old Cherokee.
Did you forget the Aspen,yeah that was a success 🫤
I would never buy one, but if they give me 3 suv's for 64k I'll think about it. 😂😂😂
Everything I've seen with the switch of the CEO is talk about "raising profits". Not the quality.. the current CEO said the same thing as the last... so it's basically all about profits and not the quality which is the problem customers have
Mopar vehicles should be affordable and fun to drive .
I remember a time when buying a Jeep was a good low cost option to a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Why Jeep glorified it was a stupid choice. Stellantis never had the American touch, it was profit over quality. Someone over there needs to wake up! And now the Grand Wagoneer, stop making expensive crap.
i live in michigan and last year a group of kids stole 10 of them brand new of the lot in warren
😅sure.. kids
they stole them so stellantis could write them off 😂 after not selling think 🤔
You left out the rest of the story, they were such crap that the thieves brought them back and abandoned them 3 days later.
If I recall correctly, didn't Volks Wagen release a luxury sedan a few years ago? it had a price point similar to Mercedes Benz, if I am not mistaken. It was a beautiful car and extremely luxurious be no one wanted to buy an expensive, luxury car with a "VW" logo on the front. How could Stellantis make the same mistake again with the Wagoneer? Who wants a Luxury SUV that is priced like a Range Rover or Cadillac with "Jeep" logo on the front?
I went to look at a TRX, and all the salesman wanted, was to sell me one of these.
Upper level cdjr should not exceed 60,000 all in msrp,then incentives for typo of the line,they will fly off the shelves,i agree i think most people look when dealerships are closed to avoid salesperson and msrp is what you see
Exactly spot on. Jeep Grand Wagoneer is nice, but my Cadillac experience is 100x nicer. If Jeep wants to play in this space then they need to resurrect Chrysler and scale it up. You don’t go to a Chevy+Buick+Cadillac dealer. Cadillac service/sales is all alone.
The same thing with a Genesis for quite some time. You’d have to go to a Hyundai/Kia dealership up until recently.
It actually is true, they did come out with some big incentives on the chargers and the Wagoneer s, they came out on the 4th because they know they are not selling and they need to get as much of them on the road as they can so people see them , if your like me an actually work at a cdjr dealership the incentives are insane like the minimal money down and the payment on a 24 month lease is like a few hundred bucks a month because with the ev tax credit towards your payment with a couple grand down but Iam going to lease one absolutely not because I first hand know of all the issues they have but what I will say if they bring these deals back in let’s say 2 years from now when the cars are tried and tested and running the way they should there is a good chance I would lease one because it really is a nice looking car and by the way the deal is for a 24 month lease not a 3 year lease
If I'm buying a big luxury SUV, no question, I would get the Cadillac Escalade. For starters, it comes with the tried and true 6.2L V8.
I'm glad stellantis is waking up. They should hire you as the CEO.
Seems like a good deal at $36000.00 used.
100K+ car buyers aren't buying Jeeps.
If you're spending 100k+ on a vehicle, nothing stops you from spending 110...120....140...180... it's just a payment.
Make Jeeps affordable again 😐
Stop selling them, repurchase them, and discontinue this trashcan on wheels.
Listen to this dude, throwing shade at jeep and he drives a land rover 😂😂😂😂
If we are simply talking about aesthetics, I would much rather have a Defender over a Grand Wagoneer. Jeep has become just as big of a pile of garbage as Land Rover and they've become ugly to boot.
@ you do have a point, Land Rover is definitely better looking, i’m a Toyota guy, the wife wanted a brand new Explorer. I said only if you lease it
I Love My 2025 Grand Wagoneer Obsidian!😮
Let alone water and a loaner the Dodge Jeep dealers can’t even fix the car
Honestly the Wagoneer should have been a Chrysler instead of a Jeep. Chrysler needs more models and Jeep already had plenty.
Absolutely agree
@ocmotivator Yes Sir all the CDJR brands deserve better, also thank you for your videos sir. They are informative and inspiring.
There are 23/24 leftovers you can buy for 60k otd all eastcoast dealers in the south have tons of em
Same here in Michigan. Drive by any CDJR dealer. Come on down. Whatever color, model, trim, etc are available. Rows and rows. The CDJR dealer closer to me is clearing more earth for overflow right now.
There is a market for exorbitantly priced SUVs that spend a lot of their time in the shop. It's a very small market, but it's real. Land Rover has it zipped up. And they did so well they had to sell out to India.
No way is that Jeep worth those crazy prices! Insane sticker prices! I would rather buy a Caddy than that ridiculously price Jeep! Even better, get a Lexus!
Anyone have an ongoing problem with their check engine light? My 21 redeye light keeps coming on and dealship tells me it could be this or that and resets light and gives it back. 3 times in 2 weeks now and I’m about to pick it up today for 3rd time. Also my 36 month warranty ends today. Very frustrating. I opened up a case with Detroit main off. but getting run around. P0171 code
The Land Rover is not on the same size category, so really not a fair comparison. I'm enjoying my Grand Wagoneer...
I think the point is that if you spend 100k for a Jeep and its still a Jeep. For that money might as well buy a Land Rover or Porsche ETC
I have been saying that anything by Dodge over $45k is too much. Out side of the Trucks having decent leather almost everything on most Dodges and some Jeeps just feel inferior. I think that they got too confident when they made the scat packs and some young military guys bought them at that ridiculous MSRP, and that light bulb went off and they thought their cars were really worth that much.
The fact that they made a Grand Wagoneer with independent suspension is a disgrace. They could have done something really cool with this vehicle and filled a niche in the full sized SUV that everyone else abandoned when GM discontinued the 3/4 ton Suburban. Waggys/GWs should be available with the 5.7 or 6.4, two solid axles, and a luxury interior. The Waggy should have been built off the 3/4 ton Ram platform and the GW should have been the same, but with 1 tons. Both should have had chrome steel bumpers with a hidden winch mount. These things aren’t Jeeps at all. Who would buy this when it’s got nothing that sets it apart from a Escalade or Navigator except worse build quality?
We own one that Jeep cant fix it locking up the brakes in reverse for no reason.
Not only can they NOT compete with the Mercedes/BMW/Land Rover dealers, they don't even live up to Ford and Chevy a lot of times. And God help you if you bought a car they decided to abandon (my Fiat 124 Spider) you are really SOL. Thank God for my local mechanic he is literally the only one who will touch it. the CDJR dealers and Alfa dealers are all "Fiat who?"
It all really challenges brand loyalty.
OC please look at Motor Trend interview with Dodge CEO Matt McAlear...Whoa. (1st was a soft interview and 2nd I feel sorry for the Guy)
There are a few things in this video. You showed a white Jeep Wagoneer that is closer to the base, so $78K, maybe less, not $90K. The first Jeep Wagoneers were the first high-end SUVs. I used TURO on a family trip to San Diego and had a Jeep Wagoneer Series II. It was very nice, and we had 8 people and luggage in the thing. Now I am with you that a Grand Wagoneer is priced too high but I am sure the ride would be very nice and it would be a very good family mover. I also shop around when buying vehicles and when I bought my 2023 Ram TRX I ordered it and paid 4% below invoice around 16K off MSRP.
So a base model was the same price almost as our Land Rover? I think that makes it even worse. 🤦♂️
So it lost more than 50% value in 3 years, maybe that's even worse.
Ryan, you don’t own a TRX. Go ahead and ask me how I know this…
@@RONderluck 🤣
The only Wagoneer I would buy is the 1993 I had before. 4X4 fully loaded, above a limited. Wife drove it but then my ex girlfriend totaled it.
What? Your wife drove it, but your ex rendered it useless?
It's early, there must be a punch line in there somewhere.😂😂😂
I like the Genesis GV80 SUV. Now that’s a beautiful SUV. I think it’s better looking them all the luxury SUV’s out there. What’s your opinion?
grew up riding in the backseat of early wagonners , SJ 2 door's , owned a 88 grand wagoneer , there is nothing grand about the wagoneer , just. a name and the tail lights side view thats it
If you ever drove a CT5V Blackwing six speed or especially the ten speed automatic you would NEVER EVEN LOOK at a dodge again, but you wouldn't have a UA-cam show to complain about poor quality. The quality is so much better than the dodge that it's not even close and it's even quicker and roomier and it handles better. No comparison!! Just try it...
I have a 2022 version and I wouldn't trade it for half dozen Smellcats.
My wife wants a 2022 Wagoneer with the 5.7L Hemi(not e-torque).
Hey, if you charge $15,000 for a Timex, it makes it a Rolex, right?
TK is not wrong calling them food stamp grade.
If you're wife wanted a modernized suburban, why didn't you go for a regular wagoneer not the grand wagoneer series III? Everyone complains about the 100k price tag ignoring the 60K option. Not that all your other complaints aren't valid, it just feels disengenuous.
Careful my friend you own a Lamborghini lol😅
They overbuilding all those vehicles and the owners that need leave cars for service 😞 walk home , cruddy customer service. Doesn't it make more sense to allocate some for customers rentals.
Loaners.
Drive for a living, noticed not very many on the road owned mostly rented. After watching a few videos with electrical start issues, it feels like it has an identity crisis. Like the jeep commander its old looking & modernized odd combo.
Rich people problems.
It’s a shame the workers was blamed for they fuck ups WARREN TRUCK DESERVED BETTER
The middle class made cdjr who they are. They should have made another brand from scratch and try and sell the expensive vehicles. Bottom line it doesn't matter if you want to reincarnate a vehicle. If the price not right it will rot....
I will stick with Toyota,/Lexus or Mazda from now on. Yep I know Toyota has had a few issues as of late, but they have had them down through History and always turned them around. Love the resale value I get with them as well.
Cache lol , anyone who’s a car guy knows Land Rover is garbage , Wagoneer is garbage.
What new car isn’t garbage? Would love your opinion. And I did say the Land Rover was unreliable but you can’t say that it’s not a bonafide luxury vehicle brand followed through by the buying and service experience compared to Jeep. I’m thinking my point got missed by you. But that’s ok. What’s not a garbage suv you’d recommend?
@ Lexus LX , Toyota Sequoia , Porsche cayenne, Cadillac Escalade V wound be my go to over the other 2
@@HappyCanuk My next car may be a Toyota Sequoia. 2017-2019, V8 4WD. None of this small cylinder turbocharged hybrid nonsense.
i agree with most of what you said-until you got to the latte bullshit-no drink has anything to do with the functioning of a vehicle and based on what you said on many of your other videos that is pure crap...just say you have good service at the dealership. maybe because they know that land rovers are in the shop a lot damn!
Jeep Wrangler 392's are not worth $130,000 CDN .
Charger srt should be mo more than 46 k
stealanits has lost 30-50% of the normal class working person, when they over valued the autos they made. to only way is for this company to come back to what people want, and prices that the normal person can afford.
yes all oems have overpriced autos but stealantis is the or have smoke that hash price and must have been with laced with crazy.
If they wanted to have a luxury line. Chrysler is begging for models. Horrible decision to even just name it a Jeep. Learn a lot from your vids
This is why I only buy Lexus
Owns a Land Rover... laughs at a Grand Wagoneer over price and garbage quality. Ok, but that's what I call the kettle calling the pot black. Dude, they're equally over priced pieces of shxx! And you know this!! Worst take ever!!
Stellantis is the Italian word for garbage.
Hate the looks of those 🫤
Anybody with common sense, working for a blue collar type brand, has to be a moron, to market a car priced like a white collar brand. It NEVER works. Just look at the VW phaeton years ago. Great car, but 85-100k with a VW badge? People in that price range, in that time, will always go for the status emblem. You know which ones I'm talking about. Same thing with the wagoneer. It's still a jeep, not a Cadillac! You just have to anticipate, it's a bad idea, and you're gonna have to eat it, in the end.
Dodge and Jeep have ALWAYS been a lower priced, "economy " car brand! Why they would think they could fleece Americans and make them believe that somehow Jeep is a Luxury brand is delusional and egregious!
Who would buy a Jeep lol
You were complaining about the top of the line Grand Wagoneer then show a Wagoneer Series II, 2 levels lower. Not very honest.
Wagoneers start at $60, 000 (Grand Wagoneer starts at $87,000)
Escalades start at $88,000 (top package starts at $150,000)
Navigators start at $100,000 (top package starts at $117,000)
Defender starts at $60,000 (top package starts at $152,000
Considering this, I don't think the Wagoneer pricing is off base. I am driving my 2nd Wagoneer and I love it. Best/favorite car I have ever had - with the exception of my 78 Firebird in high school :)
Land Rover 100% Junk and loses money as fast as any car on the market. Land Rover or Grand Wagoneer both way overpriced and crap.
Who cares, the whole video is about one vehicle, the whole Stellantis lineup is a bunch of poorly built, over priced vehicles .
The new grand wagoneer is overpriced garbage