1. There needs to be regulations & laws that mandate recycling of lithium batteries for EVs. Recycling is not difficult technologically. It just needs to be agreed to and the plants built and market and legal mechanisms instituted. 2. More importantly, the biggest issue with trying to price nature, trying to add nature into the economic model, is that the entire economic model needs to be scrapped. Capitalism's main premise, that individuals try to maximize their "stuff" and that economic growth, i.e., more and more stuff, is the goal, is flawed. Sustainability means reducing consumption, acting unselfishly, sharing with each other and caring for each other and caring for nature. Economics needs to be recreated more along the lines of how indigenous societies operate, with cooperation, respect, sustainability, and trust as the foundation.
As an engineer who works in industrial control systems I can say you are absolutely right on the first point except like every process its never quite that simple. There's well trodden proverb about engineering projects. _"The last 10% is harder than the first 90% and the last 1% is harder than the first 99% and the last 0.1% is harder than the first 99.9%."_
On your second point which you are also right about. I'm an engineer who's been informally studying economics for several years now. I got tired of clowns with economics degrees interfering in projects with their 2 favorite lines. _"What's the business case for that?"_ and _"Who's going to pay for that?"_ Sorry if this is long but here's a basic run down on what I found out. Even when I had those answers they still interfered because that's all they know what to do. Its doesn't take long listening to people like Mark Blyth, Stephanie Kelton, Marianna Mazucatto and others that there is a small but getting louder minority of economists who are calling for change. Mark Blyth for instance has his computer analogy and describes how capitalism has had 3 major versions so far, each that developed its bugs and needed to be replaced (or upgraded) and that we need a new system much like we do with computers. However the most startling thing I came across was only a few weeks ago when economist Steve Keen who (in an interview) said that economists DO NOT include energy in their models. AS AN ENGINEER I find that bizarrely ridiculous because EVERYTHING needs energy to work. This is where I think Marx, Smith and everyone since got it horribly wrong. Marx & Smith put everything in terms of labor, but then how do you value the work product of an ox that pulls a plow or the horse that pulls a cart or the cow that produces milk? Better still since Smith & Marx had seen the industrial revolution up close and then how did they value coal because that was the energy that drove economic growth? How did they value wind because that was the energy that drove the ships that moved the goods? As an engineer I can barely believe that the last 200 years of economics has been founded on a combination of stupidity and ignorance. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ Pardon me if I am an engineer but universally you can't have work without energy input, whether its by labor, animal, machine or by capturing natural forces. The efficiency of any economic system is therefore NOT profit margin but the efficiency of energy use to generate wealth and I say wealth rather than profit because profit is just a measure of capital return measured in monetary units and money is nothing but transferable debt where wealth is the accumulation of value which can also include things unaccountable for with money. If you are wondering on the money is transferable debt thing. Go and watch Gary Stevenson explain what money is here on YT.
First of all the problem with Recycling is that only about 10% of everything we consume can be recycled. Especially plastic is hard to recycle, most polymer compositions is impossible to recycle. But you have a very narrow understanding of what capitalism is. There are other forms of capitalism than the modern version defined by the Republican party in the USA. If you look into historical examples of capitalism you will see it's less "greedy".
Ppl. GOTTA' start using COMMON sense..They COMPLAIN about "commute" times..bc redlining separated "the suburbs" from "the projects"..which are in cities'..where MANY universities' & "white" collar job's are located..but MANY would avoid the SENSICAL cost-saving..less climate inducing option of MASS transit bc of govt & corporate influenced FEAR of "thee other"..
Idk about the population en masse, but definitely those in power feel that way. Most people I know are either supportive of mass transit such as nationalizing rail, while being kind of neutral on their own use of such a thing; or they are quite literally desperate for a better form of commute and travel. I dont live jn a big city though, so maybe that is why my experience is different. Out here in the boonies its common to come across people who need these things for daily survival.
Good discussion, but she has a superficial understanding of ESG investing. (And so does Emma.) It is not just avoiding some fossil fuel companies. Now, it's true there is a problem: in an effort to "mainstream" their products to appeal to a wider investing audience, ESG investing has been marketed as a way to make money while "avoiding risk". It's sort of inevitable, when anything becomes popular, it gets watered down. However, there is much more to it than that. The goal is not just to own good stuff and avoid owning bad stuff. It's to actually push corporations, which listen to shareholders. The best funds engage in shareholder activism, pushing companies to be accountable. (And by the way, the best funds aren't the ones from companies like Vanguard which she mentioned, who add ESG products as a tiny slice of their fund product line because there's a market for it; they are from companies that sell *_only_* ESG products and make it their specialty, like Domini, Impax, Calvert, and others.) These investment firms leverage the investor's money to make a difference. The divestment movement that helped pressure Apartheid South Africa, as well as the "D" in the BDS movement, are examples of ESG.
@@tonkajahari3010 Just because a person "wanted to" doesn't mean they still don't want to. The past doesn't necessarily negate the future. It's just basic logic. Try again.
@@tonkajahari3010 try "comment" on capitalism? I got arrested eight times protesting against capitalism. I worked for various nonprofit policy groups critiquing capitalism. I did a master's degree doing policy work - as a volunteer activist. Yeah I was paid staff op-ed writer for the University of Minnesota Daily - critiquing capitalism. haha. I don't think I need to "try" anymore - I already did! In fact the President of the University urged me not to go on "unlimited hunger strike." haha. The ecological crisis was not caused by capitalism though. Nice try.
If every couple has just one child, orless, we can reduce the human population from 8 billion to 2 billion in just two generations . This is not about selective breeding but about fairness for all living creatures on the planet.
This channel knows no bounds. Literally will say anything. Vancouver is one of The most green liberal cities. Yet they find a way to talk negatively about it. L
Green liberalism will still lead to a climate apocalypse. Your green washing, rainbow capitalism rebranding of corporate practices still leads to extinction. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, lib.
@@danwarb1 oh you're right, I have. Switching to reusable bags and bamboo straws removed the last 150 years of industrial carbon from the atmosphere. Thanks! Orange man bad!
Their videos are about quantity not quality. They gotta keep pumping out that garbage to cater to their autistic supporters for that sweet revenue. Kinda like a low brow kids content channel.
@@tonkajahari3010 And what about conservative ideology? It survives not only via complaining, but via censorship, terrorism, genocide and hatred. Banning books from libraries, shooting up concerts and churches, carpet-bombing defenseless countries for profit and jailing anyone who speaks out against these things - that's conservatism in a nutshell.
@@tonkajahari3010 And conservatives seem sure that everything is fine and think attempts to fix anything are communist plots, so they fight harder than progressives to make sure nothing can be done.
How to be a leftist grifter: 1) screech about capitalism. 2)...... Well I guess it's really just that one step. It doesn't even have to make sense, just come up with anything bad and blame it on capitalism.
How to fight against my own self interests and the people who actually want to help me: 1) uncritically gobble up neoliberal propaganda and vomit it back up thinking I’m being witty and original 2) ………
How to be a capitalist. 1) screech about socialism. 2) believe government exists to protect corporate interest. 3) advocate for "trickle down" economics knowing it doesn't work and that's the point.
Yes, as long as we measure our survival in economic terms we cannot afford to survive.
1. There needs to be regulations & laws that mandate recycling of lithium batteries for EVs. Recycling is not difficult technologically. It just needs to be agreed to and the plants built and market and legal mechanisms instituted.
2. More importantly, the biggest issue with trying to price nature, trying to add nature into the economic model, is that the entire economic model needs to be scrapped. Capitalism's main premise, that individuals try to maximize their "stuff" and that economic growth, i.e., more and more stuff, is the goal, is flawed. Sustainability means reducing consumption, acting unselfishly, sharing with each other and caring for each other and caring for nature. Economics needs to be recreated more along the lines of how indigenous societies operate, with cooperation, respect, sustainability, and trust as the foundation.
I still want LEGO§™
As an engineer who works in industrial control systems I can say you are absolutely right on the first point except like every process its never quite that simple. There's well trodden proverb about engineering projects. _"The last 10% is harder than the first 90% and the last 1% is harder than the first 99% and the last 0.1% is harder than the first 99.9%."_
On your second point which you are also right about. I'm an engineer who's been informally studying economics for several years now. I got tired of clowns with economics degrees interfering in projects with their 2 favorite lines. _"What's the business case for that?"_ and _"Who's going to pay for that?"_
Sorry if this is long but here's a basic run down on what I found out.
Even when I had those answers they still interfered because that's all they know what to do. Its doesn't take long listening to people like Mark Blyth, Stephanie Kelton, Marianna Mazucatto and others that there is a small but getting louder minority of economists who are calling for change. Mark Blyth for instance has his computer analogy and describes how capitalism has had 3 major versions so far, each that developed its bugs and needed to be replaced (or upgraded) and that we need a new system much like we do with computers.
However the most startling thing I came across was only a few weeks ago when economist Steve Keen who (in an interview) said that economists DO NOT include energy in their models. AS AN ENGINEER I find that bizarrely ridiculous because EVERYTHING needs energy to work. This is where I think Marx, Smith and everyone since got it horribly wrong.
Marx & Smith put everything in terms of labor, but then how do you value the work product of an ox that pulls a plow or the horse that pulls a cart or the cow that produces milk? Better still since Smith & Marx had seen the industrial revolution up close and then how did they value coal because that was the energy that drove economic growth? How did they value wind because that was the energy that drove the ships that moved the goods?
As an engineer I can barely believe that the last 200 years of economics has been founded on a combination of stupidity and ignorance. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Pardon me if I am an engineer but universally you can't have work without energy input, whether its by labor, animal, machine or by capturing natural forces. The efficiency of any economic system is therefore NOT profit margin but the efficiency of energy use to generate wealth and I say wealth rather than profit because profit is just a measure of capital return measured in monetary units and money is nothing but transferable debt where wealth is the accumulation of value which can also include things unaccountable for with money.
If you are wondering on the money is transferable debt thing.
Go and watch Gary Stevenson explain what money is here on YT.
First of all the problem with Recycling is that only about 10% of everything we consume can be recycled. Especially plastic is hard to recycle, most polymer compositions is impossible to recycle.
But you have a very narrow understanding of what capitalism is. There are other forms of capitalism than the modern version defined by the Republican party in the USA. If you look into historical examples of capitalism you will see it's less "greedy".
@@dribrom right, like, manifest destiny or the great slave latifundia of Rome.
"So far no chemist has ever discovered exchange-value either in a pearl or a diamond." - Karl Marx, Capital Vol. 1
Emma is doing great with these and it would be nice if the thumbnails had her in them. I'd also like to see this in podcast form.
About 100 pages in so far this book is great.
Ppl. GOTTA' start using COMMON sense..They COMPLAIN about "commute" times..bc redlining separated "the suburbs" from "the projects"..which are in cities'..where MANY universities' & "white" collar job's are located..but MANY would avoid the SENSICAL cost-saving..less climate inducing option of MASS transit bc of govt & corporate influenced FEAR of "thee other"..
Idk about the population en masse, but definitely those in power feel that way. Most people I know are either supportive of mass transit such as nationalizing rail, while being kind of neutral on their own use of such a thing; or they are quite literally desperate for a better form of commute and travel. I dont live jn a big city though, so maybe that is why my experience is different. Out here in the boonies its common to come across people who need these things for daily survival.
Yes, there's a lot of whiteys choking others out
My first guess for what the book was about was the value of a whale in relation to whale hunting, but this was way more interesting!
Good discussion, but she has a superficial understanding of ESG investing. (And so does Emma.) It is not just avoiding some fossil fuel companies. Now, it's true there is a problem: in an effort to "mainstream" their products to appeal to a wider investing audience, ESG investing has been marketed as a way to make money while "avoiding risk". It's sort of inevitable, when anything becomes popular, it gets watered down. However, there is much more to it than that. The goal is not just to own good stuff and avoid owning bad stuff. It's to actually push corporations, which listen to shareholders. The best funds engage in shareholder activism, pushing companies to be accountable. (And by the way, the best funds aren't the ones from companies like Vanguard which she mentioned, who add ESG products as a tiny slice of their fund product line because there's a market for it; they are from companies that sell *_only_* ESG products and make it their specialty, like Domini, Impax, Calvert, and others.) These investment firms leverage the investor's money to make a difference.
The divestment movement that helped pressure Apartheid South Africa, as well as the "D" in the BDS movement, are examples of ESG.
Ouhh I wanted to read this book!
@@tonkajahari3010 Just because you don't know the difference between commerce and capitalism doesn't mean they're the same thing.
@@tonkajahari3010 Just because a person "wanted to" doesn't mean they still don't want to. The past doesn't necessarily negate the future. It's just basic logic. Try again.
@@tonkajahari3010 try "comment" on capitalism? I got arrested eight times protesting against capitalism. I worked for various nonprofit policy groups critiquing capitalism. I did a master's degree doing policy work - as a volunteer activist. Yeah I was paid staff op-ed writer for the University of Minnesota Daily - critiquing capitalism. haha. I don't think I need to "try" anymore - I already did! In fact the President of the University urged me not to go on "unlimited hunger strike." haha. The ecological crisis was not caused by capitalism though. Nice try.
We should stop referring to fossil fuels as "energy production," for the same reason we don't call crack "medicine."
This
If every couple has just one child, orless, we can reduce the human population from 8 billion to 2 billion in just two generations . This is not about selective breeding but about fairness for all living creatures on the planet.
This channel knows no bounds. Literally will say anything. Vancouver is one of The most green liberal cities. Yet they find a way to talk negatively about it. L
Green liberalism will still lead to a climate apocalypse. Your green washing, rainbow capitalism rebranding of corporate practices still leads to extinction.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, lib.
@@danwarb1 oh you're right, I have. Switching to reusable bags and bamboo straws removed the last 150 years of industrial carbon from the atmosphere. Thanks!
Orange man bad!
Their videos are about quantity not quality. They gotta keep pumping out that garbage to cater to their autistic supporters for that sweet revenue. Kinda like a low brow kids content channel.
@@tonkajahari3010 And what about conservative ideology? It survives not only via complaining, but via censorship, terrorism, genocide and hatred. Banning books from libraries, shooting up concerts and churches, carpet-bombing defenseless countries for profit and jailing anyone who speaks out against these things - that's conservatism in a nutshell.
@@tonkajahari3010 And conservatives seem sure that everything is fine and think attempts to fix anything are communist plots, so they fight harder than progressives to make sure nothing can be done.
How to be a leftist grifter:
1) screech about capitalism.
2)......
Well I guess it's really just that one step. It doesn't even have to make sense, just come up with anything bad and blame it on capitalism.
The ecological crisis is not just a right-wing problem. haha
How to fight against my own self interests and the people who actually want to help me:
1) uncritically gobble up neoliberal propaganda and vomit it back up thinking I’m being witty and original
2) ………
@@scottlarue5304 the left doesn't want to help anyone but themselves.
How to be a capitalist.
1) screech about socialism.
2) believe government exists to protect corporate interest.
3) advocate for "trickle down" economics knowing it doesn't work and that's the point.
@@caronadams4486 socialists are just mad because they're not smart or talented enough to capitalize on anything.