I completely love this advice from Louis - I don’t always follow it but find it very useful, especially those two questions, when I’m struggling with a boulder problem
Buddy just climb, I don’t understand this stupid philosophical stuff with climbing, it’s a sport and your either strong or your not, and if your not you need to keep climbing and working out if you want to improve, asking yourself those two questions does nothing but waste time when you could be attempting again and getting in more reps
@@joemicheal1314 climbing isn't just about being strong it's about technique and how you use your weight, if you want to improve strength you do hang board but if you wanna actually figure out problems and how to do them you think about which ways you can move your body so these questions help a lot actually
Haven't been bouldering in awhile but the minimum of 5 attemps and maximum of 5 attemps was something i never did... I'm stubborn so sometimes i'd probably do 10 attempts on a problem
Man, he delivers that information like a flowchart in his head, and the flowchart is like a climbing route all mapped out. Brilliant the way our skilled practices translate beyond their most obviously definable boundaries
As a rookie climber this is so helpful. Often when I compare myself to other climbers that have visibly more upper body strength / are lighter, there’s so much anxiety I feel with the choice of trying this out. I’m going to be more mindful and think about these two questions when I’m on the wall this weekend ❤
True but there are probably still a couple improvements you can make to the positions that can mitigate a strength block . Like weight distribution , leg positions .ect. I think the idea is to not imeadiatly default to strength being the issue so you can find improvements even on boulders you might not be phisically capable for yet .
and i think "i need to pull harder" can lead to interesting follow ups. Like "ok why didn't you pull hard enough the first time?" and the answer could be "i couldn't pull any harder" which could be because either they weren't strong enough in which case, no use getting right back on, or maybe they were too worn out by the time they got to where they fell, in which case the question becomes "what can they do in the portion leading up to the crux differently in order to be more efficient and have the energy to pull harder in the spot they claim they didn't pull hard enough".
"I need to pull harder" is fine. The problem is if the answer is "I can't pull hard enough". Then you either have to come up with a new answer och go to another climb. Either you have something else to try or you can't do the climb anyway
This mindset of learning and trying is applicable to literally everything in life. I love it. ESP the “I’m not good enough” excuse, “Find another answer” is amazing advice, not being good enough is never an excuse when you’re learning. You’re there to GET GOOD ENOUGH lol. I’m a pretty big video gamer and I see that same defeatist mindset all the time in competitive games and it makes me so angry when someone is just like “ugh I can’t hit them I’m not good enough” TOUGH! Figure it out another way or keep trying
You just have to love Louis, always positive yet no bs. I like his approach, even though I don't like to limit my attempts at climbs I really like. Having a minimum number of attempts on problems I hate however has been a great change of my mindset!
Probably the single most important piece of advice I've ever gotten anywhere about climbing (plus the mindset can be applied elsewhere). Really changed how I approach the wall and how I walk away from it
After first watching this video last year, I immediately rewatched it so I could type this part up in my Notes app. I then followed it at the gym, and it was👩🍳💋! Also, good life advice 😁
If anyone wants to copy/paste, here’s my note 😃: Louis Parkinson, Catalyst Climbing, Hannah Morris Bouldering ua-cam.com/video/fo_7o5SOEOQ/v-deo.html Strict limit of attempts at given project during a single session * 5 attempts max. at a [desired] project * 5 attempts min. at a hate/absolute-no problem If you fall off, can’t get back on until answering 2 questions: 1. Why did I fall off? (Not strong or good enough are not allowable answers.) 2. What will I do differently?
I love when learning a skill gives you wisdom that you can apply broadly. Every time we fail anything, we should ask ourselves these two questions. You keep your locus of control internal, you make the most of your practice time, and you're also giving yourself a proper apology. "Here's what I did wrong, here's how I plan to improve." When we mess up, a part of our brain will inevitably be upset with us. Just like when someone else disappoints you, it can make you lose faith in them. You don't want to lose faith in yourself. A strong apology is a good antidote. Anything to take the friction out of trial and error, and keep learning fun and hopeful. I love it. Climbers got some Evel-Knievely wisdom. It's all about getting up from falls.
not being strong enough is absolutely a valid answer. If you can't even hold your body weight on the start, then yeah. I say this as someone who's been climbing and weight training two years now
Sure, that's a fair point. I suppose that makes this advice most pertinent to those who have already been climbing for a while. Also, of course, even for experienced climbers, there is the point in a session where you simply get exhausted and run out of up-juice.
There are times where a certain technique or the appropriate position can help, which I guess that's what Louis is referring to (and hence the 5 tries). But yeah, especially when going for difficult boulders, strength can be an important factor.
I wish I had someone like this to go rock climbing with. I'm not very strong and I am very scared of heights but it looks fun and could help with being not as scared of heights. I would need someone there with me like this to go with because otherwise I would just give up.
At V3 working on my first V4, slowing down and deliberately thinking through my sequencing and technique between attempts has been so against my instincts but revolutionary. Stopping at 5 attempts can be hard though! As can repeating an imperfectly sent problem.
Okay, this is some pretty cool advice. I've found that I've already adopted similar advice by climbing with friends (because you'll often take one attempt then chat, often about the problem), but this version is quite crisp.
As someone who has been in phases with the hobby I can definitely say sometimes I’m just not strong enough for something yet. I’ll often get over ambitious when returning to climbing after not for a while
In other sports I've done it's a 3-attempt limit which we refer to as "training to failure", but as a concept this is brilliant advice for learning any new skill.
I do like those questions, but question 2 gives me problems when my coaches ask it. Sometimes, I had specific beta that I’ve done a million times that I know it works, and I fall off because of missing the hold, my answer is “absolutely nothing. I’m just going to hit the hold instead of missing it.” Sometimes, you shouldn’t change what you are doing when you fall off
You can still reasonably answer the question with something like "since I missed the hold \*in this way\*, I'm going to focus a bit more on trying to ensure that I do \*a certain thing with my body\* which is required in order to do the move." Sure, some moves are lower probability and it will take a few attempts to stick it, but you want to make sure that you're focusing on the things you need to do instead of just saying that you'll get it if you just try a few more times.
sometimes your "missing the hold" because your not driving enough through your legs, or your not positioned right before going for the hold. the beta is correct. the execution of the beta is what needs to be looked over.
My question is simple: never liked climbing, never did. It is fun watching people do it but I specialized in callisthenics so you do what's best for you
I'm a newbie climber but a adept lifter, I love trying climbs I know I'll fail just because, but I dont try them until I'm dead, same with lifting. There are some routes I'm just not flexible/skilled enough for yet
"a climb which you absolutely hate, no way I can do this, it turns into a minimum of 5 attempts" - my climbing buddies whenever I reason that I'm to small for a boulder lol
Except in a physical sport "I'm not strong enough" is a legit answer. The requisit follow up is "so I'm going to do strength training" but it is a very real answer. Rock Climbing involves quite a lot of physical strength, especially in the more technical climbs. Because as much as they are about technique and planning many of those techniques involve needing to support your body weight with only two load bearing contacts or worse only one briefly. That requires immense upper body strength and I personally don't have that upper body strength. The instant I have less than 3 load bearing contacts points I fall. Not a split second later, the moment. Because I weigh too much and have very degenerated upper body muscles. I still enjoy trying to climb, and I enjoy the paths I can take. But you need to be able to accept when the solution to a path is "get stronger" because no amount of attempts will result in a difference until you do.
Interesting, I dont exactly ask those questions but I get really stubborn with failing routes even though I haven't been doing it for that long and I'm not fit at all, but I like to push my self anyway
I love the mentality, but I do think there are some climbs you simply have to get stronger for, somethings are just hard to hold on to and you have to be strong
@@EAOO sure, but he did upload it to UA-cam, where I imagine a lot of people who are newer to climbing can see it. Just wanted to let them know that sometimes you just have to keep climbing to get your projects
"Why did you fall off?"
"a fairy tickled my foot"
"Okay new rule.."
HahahaHAHAJA this is way too funny at 6am
Lmao nice
I was sport climbing once and a wolf spider ran up my leg 💁♂️
@@rylandluikart7751 great way to get you to Dyno
Bwahahahhaa
I completely love this advice from Louis - I don’t always follow it but find it very useful, especially those two questions, when I’m struggling with a boulder problem
Glad it was helpful!
Buddy just climb, I don’t understand this stupid philosophical stuff with climbing, it’s a sport and your either strong or your not, and if your not you need to keep climbing and working out if you want to improve, asking yourself those two questions does nothing but waste time when you could be attempting again and getting in more reps
@@joemicheal1314 climbing isn't just about being strong it's about technique and how you use your weight, if you want to improve strength you do hang board but if you wanna actually figure out problems and how to do them you think about which ways you can move your body so these questions help a lot actually
I think its great advice for ANYTHINGyoure struggling with, physically, mentally, or otherwise
dude's a wall guru
I think as a beginner I often don't answer these questions before giving up or falling off, this is a great reminder, thanks!
It’s really easy not to! I often have sessions where I have to remind myself to intentionally learn from my errors!
As a beginner you don't know what you did wrong or what the "right" way is either though
@@nk-dw2hm yeah but a lot of the time you can still ask yourself “what felt wrong” and maybe reevaluate your footing etc
Haven't been bouldering in awhile but the minimum of 5 attemps and maximum of 5 attemps was something i never did... I'm stubborn so sometimes i'd probably do 10 attempts on a problem
Man, he delivers that information like a flowchart in his head, and the flowchart is like a climbing route all mapped out. Brilliant the way our skilled practices translate beyond their most obviously definable boundaries
As a rookie climber this is so helpful. Often when I compare myself to other climbers that have visibly more upper body strength / are lighter, there’s so much anxiety I feel with the choice of trying this out. I’m going to be more mindful and think about these two questions when I’m on the wall this weekend ❤
I just wrote this down in a note so I can keep it in mind for my next gym day. Excellent advice for both improving *and* for staying positive.
Best climbing coach ever!
I feel like 'im not strong enough' is a really good reason some of the time
True but there are probably still a couple improvements you can make to the positions that can mitigate a strength block . Like weight distribution , leg positions .ect. I think the idea is to not imeadiatly default to strength being the issue so you can find improvements even on boulders you might not be phisically capable for yet .
You're missing the context that Louis is choosing suitable climbs for Hannah
And beyond that, a more healthy mindset is "I need to keep working towards that" rather than "I can't do that"
@@humodake817 Thats what I tell my friends without arms too.just work harder bro
@@myotiswii skill issue 🤣🤣🤣
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD ADVICE FOR LIFE
Sometimes "I need to pull harder" is the genuine correct answer though. But it's good to not default to this thought every time you fall.
and i think "i need to pull harder" can lead to interesting follow ups. Like "ok why didn't you pull hard enough the first time?" and the answer could be "i couldn't pull any harder" which could be because either they weren't strong enough in which case, no use getting right back on, or maybe they were too worn out by the time they got to where they fell, in which case the question becomes "what can they do in the portion leading up to the crux differently in order to be more efficient and have the energy to pull harder in the spot they claim they didn't pull hard enough".
Be wary of 'I need to pull harder' - I made something in my calf go 'ping' trying to pull harder to reach the first (non-starting) hand hold...
"I need to pull harder" is fine. The problem is if the answer is "I can't pull hard enough". Then you either have to come up with a new answer och go to another climb. Either you have something else to try or you can't do the climb anyway
@@psykedude either one is a potentially correct assessment the situation.
This answer is why everyone I know who's super into climbing always has tendon injuries in their hands.
This mindset of learning and trying is applicable to literally everything in life. I love it. ESP the “I’m not good enough” excuse, “Find another answer” is amazing advice, not being good enough is never an excuse when you’re learning. You’re there to GET GOOD ENOUGH lol. I’m a pretty big video gamer and I see that same defeatist mindset all the time in competitive games and it makes me so angry when someone is just like “ugh I can’t hit them I’m not good enough” TOUGH! Figure it out another way or keep trying
You just have to love Louis, always positive yet no bs. I like his approach, even though I don't like to limit my attempts at climbs I really like. Having a minimum number of attempts on problems I hate however has been a great change of my mindset!
Actually one of the best advice I heard ! Been climbing with that in mind ever since
So good to hear 🤩
Growth mindset summed up in words and attitude!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This is fantastic advice not just for climbing but for life in general, great stuff!
Louis is an absolutely fantastic teacher! I really wish I had someone like him at my bouldering gym. I'd pay money for lessons!
honestly, the two questions point is applicable to most things in life. Its a core principle in how i approach a lot of things
This is great, it could be discouraging to real early beginners but to a keen student this is amazing
Glad it was helpful!
This was so good that I had to listen to it twice. I'm new to indoor climbing and this advice was incredibly helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, honestly that's super solid advice. Simple, yet easy!
This is brilliant advice for absolutely everything.
Probably the single most important piece of advice I've ever gotten anywhere about climbing (plus the mindset can be applied elsewhere). Really changed how I approach the wall and how I walk away from it
Not even a climber but this is awesome advice for any sport or endeavour 🙌
After first watching this video last year, I immediately rewatched it so I could type this part up in my Notes app. I then followed it at the gym, and it was👩🍳💋! Also, good life advice 😁
If anyone wants to copy/paste, here’s my note 😃:
Louis Parkinson, Catalyst Climbing, Hannah Morris Bouldering ua-cam.com/video/fo_7o5SOEOQ/v-deo.html
Strict limit of attempts at given project during a single session
* 5 attempts max. at a [desired] project
* 5 attempts min. at a hate/absolute-no problem
If you fall off, can’t get back on until answering 2 questions:
1. Why did I fall off? (Not strong or good enough are not allowable answers.)
2. What will I do differently?
@@CarolineBlitzfab, thanks for this! Also in notes now! (via screenshot)
This is good advice for life in general.
The GOAT coach
These rules are dope!
Those 2 questions are great advice for any skill based sport
I love when learning a skill gives you wisdom that you can apply broadly. Every time we fail anything, we should ask ourselves these two questions.
You keep your locus of control internal, you make the most of your practice time, and you're also giving yourself a proper apology. "Here's what I did wrong, here's how I plan to improve."
When we mess up, a part of our brain will inevitably be upset with us. Just like when someone else disappoints you, it can make you lose faith in them. You don't want to lose faith in yourself. A strong apology is a good antidote.
Anything to take the friction out of trial and error, and keep learning fun and hopeful. I love it. Climbers got some Evel-Knievely wisdom. It's all about getting up from falls.
Great advice for learning and improving at anything else too!
Such good advice!
not being strong enough is absolutely a valid answer. If you can't even hold your body weight on the start, then yeah. I say this as someone who's been climbing and weight training two years now
Sure, that's a fair point. I suppose that makes this advice most pertinent to those who have already been climbing for a while.
Also, of course, even for experienced climbers, there is the point in a session where you simply get exhausted and run out of up-juice.
There are times where a certain technique or the appropriate position can help, which I guess that's what Louis is referring to (and hence the 5 tries).
But yeah, especially when going for difficult boulders, strength can be an important factor.
I wish I had someone like this to go rock climbing with. I'm not very strong and I am very scared of heights but it looks fun and could help with being not as scared of heights. I would need someone there with me like this to go with because otherwise I would just give up.
This is very analogous to any problems we face in real life.
I think this is valuable for other areas of life
Thank you for this awesome advice, I'll take it from now on and think if I aim for 5 attempts each and reflect on the climbs!
Wow!!! Extremely good!!! Will add this to my climbing journal!
I like this advice. I don’t even climb but it feels somewhat applicable to a lot of great challenges that generate resistance.
Buddy I don't climb at all BUT I love your analogy and is applicable to most things in life
This guy is the best
This is very good advice
This is the best advice for bouldering.
Idk, not being strong enough is a damn good reason sometimes
This would make me cry hysterically every time I fell off the wall
Brilliant, This is the way!
Bro screw climbing that's incredible life advice
The full power of coaching on display.
This sounds like good life advice actually.
this is a true gem.
Great advice for trying anything love it
Thanks for watching!
This is good advice for learning anything, really.
Agreed!
Damn you can apply this to literally any other activity. Great tips for learning!!
Excellent boludering tips
This is why I love bouldering❤ solving the problem is the best part. I'm not really a "gym" gal. But I will work like hell to get up a wall 😂
Awesome advice
Glad it was helpful!
Super good advice! Thanks for sharing!
Yessir get that growth mindset!!
So wise!!
At V3 working on my first V4, slowing down and deliberately thinking through my sequencing and technique between attempts has been so against my instincts but revolutionary. Stopping at 5 attempts can be hard though! As can repeating an imperfectly sent problem.
Love this guy
These are great tips!
Okay, this is some pretty cool advice. I've found that I've already adopted similar advice by climbing with friends (because you'll often take one attempt then chat, often about the problem), but this version is quite crisp.
As someone who has been in phases with the hobby I can definitely say sometimes I’m just not strong enough for something yet. I’ll often get over ambitious when returning to climbing after not for a while
Vary good
He’s a good teach
In other sports I've done it's a 3-attempt limit which we refer to as "training to failure", but as a concept this is brilliant advice for learning any new skill.
I'm not strong enough is a valid reason. I'm not tall enough is usually not a valid reason. It only means that you have to jump where others don't.
This isn't good "climbing advice", this is good "everything in life" advice. But it happens to apply to climbing too.
I wish I could learn from someone like this. I climb alone and just copy what I see. No real coaching. I’m not very good😊
i see now why motivational speakers always use climbing as a metaphor lol
I want this guy as a teacher for anything I do in the future 😂
Great advice. I'll use the rules at another gym thanks.
I’ll definitely implement this on my next session!
I do like those questions, but question 2 gives me problems when my coaches ask it. Sometimes, I had specific beta that I’ve done a million times that I know it works, and I fall off because of missing the hold, my answer is “absolutely nothing. I’m just going to hit the hold instead of missing it.” Sometimes, you shouldn’t change what you are doing when you fall off
You can still reasonably answer the question with something like "since I missed the hold \*in this way\*, I'm going to focus a bit more on trying to ensure that I do \*a certain thing with my body\* which is required in order to do the move." Sure, some moves are lower probability and it will take a few attempts to stick it, but you want to make sure that you're focusing on the things you need to do instead of just saying that you'll get it if you just try a few more times.
sometimes your "missing the hold" because your not driving enough through your legs, or your not positioned right before going for the hold. the beta is correct. the execution of the beta is what needs to be looked over.
It's so bizarre how similar good coaching is across multiple disciplines. Coaching a growth mindset is instrumental to any learner
And that's simply the best way to learn everything
Is there a video where you put this process in practise? I'd love to watch something like that!
Louis has a whole coaching business and channel built around it. Catalyst Climbing
I'm going to start applying this to more stuff I do.
This is such great advice
Actually great and practical advice
My question is simple: never liked climbing, never did.
It is fun watching people do it but I specialized in callisthenics so you do what's best for you
I'm a newbie climber but a adept lifter, I love trying climbs I know I'll fail just because, but I dont try them until I'm dead, same with lifting. There are some routes I'm just not flexible/skilled enough for yet
Great advice!
Applies to life in general as well.
"a climb which you absolutely hate, no way I can do this, it turns into a minimum of 5 attempts" - my climbing buddies whenever I reason that I'm to small for a boulder lol
Oh man that’s so smart!
i just saw this AFTER getting home from the gym... wish i'd seen it before 😞
I have to do that!! I some times dont try hard enough, especially if I cant see/find the solution.
This is amazing i will certainly try this
Like a true salesman
i'm glad i never bothered to continue climbing when i tried it, because if this is what their trainers sound like i would have gotten banned
what a great advice
Good advice
perfect advice!
I will rewatch this video until this stick to my mind forever
Those are good questions for any failure. Why did this attempt fail? What am I going to do differently? ( " I'm not good enough " is not allowed. )
Except in a physical sport "I'm not strong enough" is a legit answer. The requisit follow up is "so I'm going to do strength training" but it is a very real answer. Rock Climbing involves quite a lot of physical strength, especially in the more technical climbs. Because as much as they are about technique and planning many of those techniques involve needing to support your body weight with only two load bearing contacts or worse only one briefly. That requires immense upper body strength and I personally don't have that upper body strength. The instant I have less than 3 load bearing contacts points I fall. Not a split second later, the moment. Because I weigh too much and have very degenerated upper body muscles. I still enjoy trying to climb, and I enjoy the paths I can take. But you need to be able to accept when the solution to a path is "get stronger" because no amount of attempts will result in a difference until you do.
I want this skill level of explaining things in my professional life
Interesting, I dont exactly ask those questions but I get really stubborn with failing routes even though I haven't been doing it for that long and I'm not fit at all, but I like to push my self anyway
Please be my personal teacher lmao
I love the mentality, but I do think there are some climbs you simply have to get stronger for, somethings are just hard to hold on to and you have to be strong
Thats true but hes not putting his students on any climbs they physically cant do for this lesson
@@EAOO sure, but he did upload it to UA-cam, where I imagine a lot of people who are newer to climbing can see it. Just wanted to let them know that sometimes you just have to keep climbing to get your projects
@@shootersam1289 fair