CSX Toledo Coal Dumper Shiploader
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- In pre-9/11 days you could drive into many of the dock facilities on the Great Lakes and not be bothered as long as you stayed clear of the activity. Nothing was fenced as it is today. Herewith a compilation of two visits to CSX's Toledo coal shiploader and rotary dumper in 1992 and 1997. Nicknamed the "Sputnik", it was built in the late 1950's to supplement and eventually supplant the McMyler unloaders previously used to unload coal into lake vessels. It employs the tried and true method of using shunt locos and cable operated Barneys. Shunts push cars from the staging track to spot over a Barney pit, a cable-operated Barney then pushed the cars two at a time up a ramp to the modern two car rotary dumper. After being dumped, the coal is received into a hopper that feeds a conveyor system that feeds the shiploader, a movable conveyor/spout system that can be placed anywhere along the vessel's length to enable quick trimming of the load without having to shift the vessel along the dock. Empty cars, instead of using the more traditional kickback, run down a curved ramp/balloon track into the empty car yard. This installation can be considered a hybrid of old and new since it employs a raised dumper with a shunt/Barney system along with a rotary dumper. A more contemporary facility such as Superior Midwest places the rotary dumper at ground level so the entire train can pass through it without breaking up the consist.
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The unsung hero of this operation is 'The Dog' pushing the wagons up the incline. Honourable mention goes to 'Big Dog' for bringing the wagons forward. There is some serious weight of coal in each wagon, and I believe it takes 2 or 3 miles worth of wagons to fill a freighter.
About 100 tons per wagon, yes. A mile is about 100 wagons, so about 10,000 tons.
I remember my grandfather (a retired NYC engineer) taking me there in the 50's to watch that operation
I respect your fillings
I remember watching this operation at the old Fassett Street Bridge facility in the 1940's & early 50's. This facility was located on the east side of the Maumee River south of the bridge next to the LOF Glass Co's cullett pits. As a young kid, I was always amazed at the operation, and a few times watching one of the lake freighters come in, turn 180°, and dock.
Gone are the good old days. 😧
Sir,i respect your fillings...
look at those old Chessie engines, wow
In the early 1960's, I spent a lot of time at the B+O Fairport Ohio yard, riding the S2's and S4's, and got out on the coal fired Mcmyler dumper while it was loading a boat (one of the 2 Valley Camp's, but not sure which, coal fired). Car handling was gravity, loads were placed in a small raised inclined yard, and dropped down one at a time to where the barney could push them up the ramp, shoving the previous car out and up the kickback. They used riders, must have been moderately exciting, but dirty. One guy had the sole job of placing a wooden wedge on a broomstick behind the loaded car wheel so it wouldn't roll back out of the barney's reach. Barney parked an inch or so above the water. Entire yard was still deep in cinders from the EM-1's, and rows of sprouted soybeans at the tie ends from the hoppers destined for Staley across the river.
"OK, be careful!"
The ship repair back of the dumper was still in operation at the time.
Took some pix, B+W, they're around here somewhere...
Wish modern camera equipment was around then!
SteamCrane the squeaking noise at 7:42 sounds like the breaks on my truck.
SteamCrane I remember the yard in the 70s though not in operation. There were 2 or three lake boats mothballed their. Spent a lot of time on the grand river. Grew up on RamIsland ‘69-‘82. Miss the area.
I grew up in the 80s two blocks from a CSX rail line just north of Dayton, and I really miss seeing those Chessie System locomotives and cars from my childhood.
Should be mandatory viewing for all newbie UA-cam video makers/posters.
Excellent videography, well shot.
What a cool operation to watch!
The REALLY good old days and I still think your video of the Huletts is unbeatable!
Lewie McNeely thanks
YOU did it. I never knew anything like this existed! Thank YOU, Pal!
@@fmnut I still have to come back here and to the Huletts once in a while. The just sheer massiveness is just unbelievable, even though THERE IT IS! I STILL say you an outstanding job!
Funny seeing the "mules" painted in Chessie colors. The SS Arthur Anderson is currently next to the loader. "Bucked" coal last week and tied up a few tracks in the 4 hole.
I remember "wave riding" with our boat in Maumee bay with theses Big Boys!!!
Just found this video, thanks for sharing this great railroad operation.
Damn that 30 n 40 we're off like a prom gown😂
You can say I'm wrong but I really think train and boat watching was so much better back on the 1980's and 90's. Nowadays, everything seems to look the same; cars, locos, etc. Also, there were more companies with different designs to see.
You're not wrong. I stopped my annual pilgrimages to the lakes a decade ago mostly due to the decrease in variety of boats and rail action.
You can still find gems if you look hard enough for them!
That's a pretty strong little barney - it's basically pushing four cars at once (two up the hill onto the rotary, two empties off the rotary and onto the kickback).
The side arm car indexers at unit train facilities can move a 12,000+ ton train. See my Superior Midwest Energy Terminal video to see one in action.
Man, a couple tubes of #2 grease would go a long way here, yeeeeow!
Absolutely perfect
I would have loved to see this in action.
R I P. Old school.
Still there working the same way.
Awesome video!!
Amazing video. What powers the “ pusher”? Is that called a Barney.
The small locomotive on narrow gauge that shoves the cars through the thaw shed is called a "shunt". It has a retractable arm it lowers to push the cars from along side. It is diesel powered, although similar operations in the past used third rail electrics. The "barney" is the wheeled block that pushes the cars up the ramp to the dumper. It also runs on narrow gauge, but in between the standard gauge rails instead of along side. It ramps down into a pit under the cars, then raises the pusher arm to engage the knuckle of the hind car. It is cable powered with an electric winch.
Me who lives in Toledo seeing this *aye let’s go*
I’m pretty sure that ship is on display outside the docks now
wow cool, a double rotary dumper.
I went in here on the John G Munson to load coal!
Is it hard to get a job on a freighter?
Really depends on who you know, WHAT you know, and how badly you wanna do it. I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's much easier to get a job as a deckhand then it is an engineer.
Go to the Coast Guard,like in toledo and get your Merchant Mariners Document.Then take that too a Maritime hiring hall.
Nice video. I didn't know that the yellow Chessie paint scheme made it into the 90s.
Did anyone notice the black Dodge Omni and the red IHC pickup? I certainly did - I have a keen eye for that stuff!!!
I did but to be more precise that's a Omni 024, the regular Omni was an econo-box car. I had one, the regular Omni, in the mid 80's. Certainly dates this film.
@@stuglenn1112 It certainly does. Probably '79 - '85 era?
@@stuglenn1112 I owned a '79 Omni. It was a 2-dr version, but it was not an 024. Mine had the VW engine mated to a Chrysler manual transmission. It was an ok car. Got great fuel mileage.
If you are referring to @2:26, that is a 1967-72 GMC/Chevrolet pickup.
@@josephrivett7378 Are you sure? Sure looks like an IHC truck to me? I'm talking the maroon one.
Go big Coal! Great video!
This is so Cool!!
Another awesome video, thank you! does anybody know: why's it called a Barney? And how many horse is it? It moves those cars uphill and right along!
Can't find an answer to either question. Maybe someone reading this can help.
@@fmnut thank you for trying! I think your videos are great!!!
I did a bit of research and came up with this link about the coal cars needing to be pushed uphill in the Barney tunnels of Pennsylvania in 1845-1846. Under the history tab about halfway down it talks about building these cable pushers in 1846. It's doesn't specifically mention why it was named Barney but one could possibly assume it was named after the tunnels?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauch_Chunk_Switchback_Railway
During my earlier searches I thought it might have something to do with Barney and Smith car company but that didn't start until 1849.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Smith_Car_Company
Very interesting. Excellent video.
Now I'll have to find a video of the RR side of this kind of operation. I'm wondering how the shunt gets around 2 cars at a a time.
I'm guessing there's another loco operating with a switchman on the ground.
It might be hard to tell from the video, but the shunts run on narrow gauge track along side the lead with the loads being fed to the dumper. They use side arms to push the cars past the barney. Hence no need to run around the cars.
See my Hulett videos for a clearer picture of shunt operations.
I thought the title said shitposter, which is something I can identify with.
Another excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.
Fascinating! I guess this operation has now finished?
Nope, still working but with far less traffic account the decline in coal.
Thanks. Glad you caught the action while it was still possible. I remember seeing the old coal loader in Port of Los Angeles when I was there on a ship in the mid-90's...it was a single-car unloader at ground level, with gravity taking the car in and out the other end. I watched it for ages!
Well, coal came from dinosaurs, and now it's going the way of them. There's just cheaper (and far less dirty) ways to make power now - the fracking revolution is primarily what's killing coal, but "clean power" getting cheaper every year isn't helping it either.
@Colorodo Strong No not really.
@@ArchTeryx00 coal came from plant life before the dinosaurs
In Google Earth it looks like all of this is still there. There are no coal cars sitting in the yards so maybe it's not still operating. But it's all still there at least and it looks like an active area with employee vehicles parked there. Maybe there was just no coal work to do the day satellite took the picture.
A lot of this coal went to power plants and steel mills in Canada. With so many coal fired plants in Canada closing for environmental reasons, this facility is fading fast.
It's still in use, just not as busy as it once was unfortunately. Coal loaded in Toledo goes to places like Green Bay, Manistee, Zug Island and Canadian steel mills.
My 1st husband worked for the Chessie
This is really cool this is really cool would be fun to try to make this on an HO scale layout just not really sure how it would be done?
I think there is a layout with one on UA-cam , not sure what scale. .
How long does it take to unload a train and load a shi?
JAMES MARK The loading rate is 4500 to 5000 tons per hour. Do the math depending on train or ship size.
JAMES MARK Average size lake boats are in the 25,000 to 30,000 ton range. Coal trains these days are 15,000 tons or better.
25 cars per hour approximately. 150 car load is about 5 hours
why didn't they just use bottom dumping hopper cars?
seems it would have been easier to do.
The short answer is, unloading rate and fleet economics. Conventional hoppers with manual doors would require manpower to open/close them (at a high labor cost), do not always empty completely, and are slower to unload. Hoppers with powered doors (so-called "rapid discharge cars") are too expensive to replace the entire fleet at once. Both types are prone to leaky doors losing lading en route as opposed to gondolas. A rotary dumper can handle any of the 3 types, and offers the fastest unloading rate.
@@fmnut No need for powered doors. In the UK, we had a purely mechanical system in which the train would roll slowly past track-side posts that engaged levers on the car to unlatch and then open the bottom doors. After unloading, a similar mechanism would close and latch the doors. As I recall, the trains would run at about 0.5mph while unloading so, with US-sized cars that would give you about 50 cars per hour -- about twice the rate of this rotary. That was 1960s technology. Search UA-cam for "Merry Go Round - trains discharge coal at power station" for an example.
It is a fair point that bottom doors can fail and dump coal on the tracks. They also leak powdered coal which clogs the ballast and causes drainage problems.
@@beeble2003 we had similar systems in industrial and mining railways going back to the early 20th century, but they never came into use on the common carrier lines. US railways had large exising fleets of hopper cars that were used for a multitude of different materials. To them it made better economic sense to use the rotary with the existing cars rather than building specialist cars for faster turnaround. Once the investment was made in rotaries, subsequent new car orders, i.e. bathtub gondolas, were designed around existing unloading facilities.
@@fmnut Yeah, there's always a chicken-and-egg, there. Stick with rotaries because there aren't any mechanical bottom-dumping cars; don't build any mechanical bottom-dumping cars because there are rotary dumpers. It must also help that the UK is a much smaller place, so you don't need that flexibility of being able to take any car to any mine/unloader. (And I bet our bottom-dumping cars would unlatch themselves if you turned them upside-down.)
@@beeble2003 yes, you also had the advantages in the BR era of a single system standard as opposed to the 50 or more class 1 US railways in the postwar period, each with its own ideas.
Had it in ashtabula harbor till they closed it
I won’t forget this one,we sold out
Any of this still around ??
Yes. Both the coal dumper and ore facility are still there.
That ship still around?
Yes, all of the vessels shown are still around. The Canadian Enterprise has been renamed Algoma Enterprise account sale of the ULS fleet to Algoma Central.
Yes, all of the vessels shown are still around. The Canadian Enterprise has been renamed Algoma Enterprise account sale of the ULS fleet to Algoma Central.
Yes, all of the vessels shown are still around. The Canadian Enterprise has been renamed Algoma Enterprise account sale of the ULS fleet to Algoma Central.
Yes, all of the vessels shown are still around. The Canadian Enterprise has been renamed Algoma Enterprise account sale of the ULS fleet to Algoma Central.
Yes, all of the vessels shown are still around. The Canadian Enterprise has been renamed Algoma Enterprise account sale of the ULS fleet to Algoma Central.
What are those CSX locomotive switchers called?
Shunts. They run on narrow gauge tracks in between the standard gauge.
no, diesel
at 15:53 you can see exhaust.
Trains of Indiana and beyond
The engine leading as the engineer widened on the throttle was a GP-30 and the trailing unit looked like a GP-40 or a GP-40-2. And they were built as road freighters not switchers. They have merely survived long enough to be downgraded into yard service the GP-30 dates from 1962 and the GP-40-2 dates from the early 70's when the dash 2 series was introduced by EMD for the first time utilizing solid state electronics that were on removable plug and play cards. The GP-30 was a 567 turbocharged engine and the GP-40-2 uses the 645 engine also turbocharged. The Gp-30 is 2250 horsepower and the GP-40-2 was 3000 horsepower but the 40 running on 4 axles is electrically derated to 2250 until train speed hits 20 mph then and only then does the remaining power kick in to 3000. This is done to allow a minimum continuous speed on the traction motors of 12 mph so it could mu with older lower horsepower units which had the same minimum speed limitations. I can remember having a new GE B40-7 as a lead unit and after leaving the yard once the train Was on the main I increased power until I was in the 8th notch and the turbo boost gauge showed 26 pounds of boost, imagine my surprise as we hit 20 mph I heard a different noise from the GE and watched the boost gauge rise to and settle on 42 pounds of boost. Then watched the amp meter go from 700 amps to just over 1200 amps per motor. We were on a westbound drag freight instead of a piggyback train which is the service they were bought for. 4 of those howlers with 90 full loads out of Worcester and she went up the east side of the mountain at 35 mph versus 22 with GP-40's.
My favorite power for switching? An ALCO RS-3, S-2/4, GP-7/9 or a GE B23-7. My crew initially didn't like the B23-7 until they stepped into the bottom of the step well and discovered how much more comfortable they were. You could stand straight up on the GE where on an EMD you had to hang on and were leaning out until you got to the walkway. The other major advantage the B23-7 had was 2250 horsepower. I put that to the test one night when I had to move 60 loaded stone cars from a fishbowl style yard and by the time I went under the Cambridge street bridge at 6 mph in the 7th notch listening to the engine exhaust note get deeper and louder as the governor increased the load. I was in heaven just loving my job and the moment.
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