I really appreciate what are you doing in trekitt Such great details and information Is there any chance that you review fjallraven hardshells, like bergtagen?
Unfortunately we don't currently stock any of Fjallraven's hardshells, so we won't be able to carry out an Inside Look for them. If we do change our minds in the future, however, we'll make sure to get a few filmed. Kind regards, Harry.
“Breathability” can be massively affected by so many factors. The published test results, are at best, useful for comparing fabric performance. I’ve used just about every breathable fabric there is and I still default to Gore-Tex for reliable and durable performance. Paul.
@@trekitt breathability is a bit like religion. When you are 5 years old you will believe anything. Then when you are 10 years old when you are older and wiser you realise it is all BS. Gortex you believe the breathability marketing hype at the beginning but with time you realise it is fiction. The scientific tests they do are farsical. To get such pressures inside your rain coat do not simulate any such conditions on planet earth. You just need to do the suck test - try to suck air through the fabric. Air will transport moisture and if you can't suck air through it is highly unlikely it is "breathable". The trick is to layer up, and layer down. Only wear the water proof if you have too. This is why pit zips are preferential. I am a BFG (Big Fat Guy) and sweat like a pig and know the problems around moisture rejection.
Could you make a video about the differences between the old gore Tex pro and the new kinds of gore Tex pro? After having read a bit I think they have not actually changed the membrane but just reinforced the nylon for either more breathability or more ruggedness. Would be very exciting to see some lab and real life tests comparing these two... hope this gets noticed :)
Hi, yes, you could use the Tupilak for hiking with a rucksack, but as I explained in the video, the hood is primarily designed to fit over a climbing helmet and I think you'll find it way too big just over your head/hat. I'd recommend the Lhotse for Hiking - ua-cam.com/video/3m5h2A_iIXQ/v-deo.html
Gore-Tex have three variants of Gore-Tex Pro: Most Rugged, Most Breathable and Stretch. We have a video about them here: ua-cam.com/video/hZmhPiJB8tU/v-deo.html
@@trekitt Thanks for the response - I just bought the Tupilak from your site but it doesn't say it's made of Gore Tex Pro Most Breathable on the description on the Trekkit site - it just says Gore Tex Pro 80D - hoping it's the latest version of the fabric. I'm a hiker/camper and not a climber, but hope I've made the right decision on this jacket - I actually find the hood fits well enough via the draw strings without a helmet.
The problem with waterproof jackets is the fact that the more money you spend on them it just becomes a case of diminishing returns in terms of what you're getting spec and protection-wise. I know people who have owned 400-500 pound Arcteryx waterproof shells and they have still wetted through. The truth is no amount of money will guarantee you 100% waterproof protection. There will come a point where you'll have to reproof your jacket and by that point the jacket has lost all its beading capabilities. My Patagonia Calcite was great until it needed reproofing. Put it through the usual Nikwax process for it to wet through within two weeks. It's a huge marketing ploy to suggest that these 'premium' shells will protect you no matter what. Breathability is another issue, if you're working really hard no amount of Goretex-pro is gonna stop you perspiring and heating up inside the jacket.
Hi, you are absolutely correct in your statement that it's almost impossible to make a garment 100% waterproof. Have a read of my blog post for my thoughts on the subject - trekitthelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360002191678-Is-It-Waterproof- However, the more you pay doesn't not always relate to waterproofing and breathability. There's so much more to a garment than just those two metrics. As you go up the price/quality scale things like fit, ergonomics, patterning, durability, longevity etc. come into play. As far as having to re-proof a jacket, well that's just a case of applying some TLC. You wouldn't buy a Ferrari and expect it to do 100,000 miles without a service would you? Fabrics such as Gore-Tex Shakedry go a long way to eliminating the wetting-out issue, but they are just not suitable for tough mountain use. Helly-Hansen claim to have developed a DWR free fabric that will not wet out and does not need reproofing - www.trekitt.co.uk/41101/products/helly-hansen-mens-odin-infinity-shell-jacket-grey-fog.aspx But, these technologically advanced fabrics do not come cheap, and as far as I can tell, the human body has not changed all that much and we still insist on sticking our head, hands and bums out of dirty great big holes in any jacket. Paul.
It's because it's a climbing/alpine jacket, where you'll rarely (if ever) have your hands in your pockets. Some of Mountain Equipment's more walking-focused jackets will have pockets lower down in a more convenient place, such as the Firefox: www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/mountain-equipment-mens-firefox-jacket-magma__45534
He needs to get shelter for his camera. That rain would have been the main test and proof that this jacket was what it claimed to be. Missed the best part of this video. Being in a vehicle whilst reviewing a water proof jacket did not look look good for the review. I know these jackets are good, but the rain test live would have gone a long way for viewers thinking of purchasing one. Get him some shelter for that camera. Great videos though.
I really appreciate what are you doing in trekitt
Such great details and information
Is there any chance that you review fjallraven hardshells, like bergtagen?
Unfortunately we don't currently stock any of Fjallraven's hardshells, so we won't be able to carry out an Inside Look for them. If we do change our minds in the future, however, we'll make sure to get a few filmed. Kind regards, Harry.
Excellent, informative video. Cheers
Glad you enjoyed it. Harry
Are you planning a review on the new Montane Men's Alpine Resolve Waterproof Jacket
We are indeed!
I would suggest to buy a jacket with armpit zips. I have one of these - beautiful quality
Pit Zips can be a useful feature indeed.
@@trekitt I don't believe gortex on its breathability. Therefore you need pit zips.
“Breathability” can be massively affected by so many factors. The published test results, are at best, useful for comparing fabric performance. I’ve used just about every breathable fabric there is and I still default to Gore-Tex for reliable and durable performance. Paul.
@@trekitt breathability is a bit like religion. When you are 5 years old you will believe anything. Then when you are 10 years old when you are older and wiser you realise it is all BS. Gortex you believe the breathability marketing hype at the beginning but with time you realise it is fiction. The scientific tests they do are farsical. To get such pressures inside your rain coat do not simulate any such conditions on planet earth. You just need to do the suck test - try to suck air through the fabric. Air will transport moisture and if you can't suck air through it is highly unlikely it is "breathable". The trick is to layer up, and layer down. Only wear the water proof if you have too. This is why pit zips are preferential. I am a BFG (Big Fat Guy) and sweat like a pig and know the problems around moisture rejection.
@@perthpete7906 I think if you're a fat bar-steward you're going to sweat even naked...😂
Could you make a video about the differences between the old gore Tex pro and the new kinds of gore Tex pro? After having read a bit I think they have not actually changed the membrane but just reinforced the nylon for either more breathability or more ruggedness. Would be very exciting to see some lab and real life tests comparing these two... hope this gets noticed :)
Way ahead of you! ua-cam.com/video/hZmhPiJB8tU/v-deo.html
Could you use this as a hiking jacket with a rucksack?
Hi, yes, you could use the Tupilak for hiking with a rucksack, but as I explained in the video, the hood is primarily designed to fit over a climbing helmet and I think you'll find it way too big just over your head/hat. I'd recommend the Lhotse for Hiking - ua-cam.com/video/3m5h2A_iIXQ/v-deo.html
You say "most breathable" but do you mean 'most rugged'? I can't find any gore tex pro called 'most breathable'
Gore-Tex have three variants of Gore-Tex Pro: Most Rugged, Most Breathable and Stretch. We have a video about them here: ua-cam.com/video/hZmhPiJB8tU/v-deo.html
@@trekitt Thanks for the response - I just bought the Tupilak from your site but it doesn't say it's made of Gore Tex Pro Most Breathable on the description on the Trekkit site - it just says Gore Tex Pro 80D - hoping it's the latest version of the fabric. I'm a hiker/camper and not a climber, but hope I've made the right decision on this jacket - I actually find the hood fits well enough via the draw strings without a helmet.
We mention it in the 'what is it made of?' paragraph on the website - all of our stock is the newest variant with the latest membranes. Harry
The problem with waterproof jackets is the fact that the more money you spend on them it just becomes a case of diminishing returns in terms of what you're getting spec and protection-wise. I know people who have owned 400-500 pound Arcteryx waterproof shells and they have still wetted through. The truth is no amount of money will guarantee you 100% waterproof protection. There will come a point where you'll have to reproof your jacket and by that point the jacket has lost all its beading capabilities. My Patagonia Calcite was great until it needed reproofing. Put it through the usual Nikwax process for it to wet through within two weeks. It's a huge marketing ploy to suggest that these 'premium' shells will protect you no matter what. Breathability is another issue, if you're working really hard no amount of Goretex-pro is gonna stop you perspiring and heating up inside the jacket.
Hi, you are absolutely correct in your statement that it's almost impossible to make a garment 100% waterproof. Have a read of my blog post for my thoughts on the subject - trekitthelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360002191678-Is-It-Waterproof-
However, the more you pay doesn't not always relate to waterproofing and breathability. There's so much more to a garment than just those two metrics. As you go up the price/quality scale things like fit, ergonomics, patterning, durability, longevity etc. come into play. As far as having to re-proof a jacket, well that's just a case of applying some TLC. You wouldn't buy a Ferrari and expect it to do 100,000 miles without a service would you? Fabrics such as Gore-Tex Shakedry go a long way to eliminating the wetting-out issue, but they are just not suitable for tough mountain use. Helly-Hansen claim to have developed a DWR free fabric that will not wet out and does not need reproofing - www.trekitt.co.uk/41101/products/helly-hansen-mens-odin-infinity-shell-jacket-grey-fog.aspx
But, these technologically advanced fabrics do not come cheap, and as far as I can tell, the human body has not changed all that much and we still insist on sticking our head, hands and bums out of dirty great big holes in any jacket. Paul.
Superb response, thanks Paul! @@trekitt
Aren’t those Vislon zippers?
That's a shame
Vislon AquaGuard, these: www.ykkfastening.com/products/search/detail.html?pdid1=VISLON(R)+AquaGuard(R)
I wish they would add two extra pockets on the lower front for your hands. These two Napoleon pockets are just too high!
It's because it's a climbing/alpine jacket, where you'll rarely (if ever) have your hands in your pockets. Some of Mountain Equipment's more walking-focused jackets will have pockets lower down in a more convenient place, such as the Firefox: www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/mountain-equipment-mens-firefox-jacket-magma__45534
He needs to get shelter for his camera. That rain would have been the main test and proof that this jacket was what it claimed to be. Missed the best part of this video. Being in a vehicle whilst reviewing a water proof jacket did not look look good for the review. I know these jackets are good, but the rain test live would have gone a long way for viewers thinking of purchasing one.
Get him some shelter for that camera.
Great videos though.