Even Ice Cube said on Joe Rogan that the music industry used gangsta rap to intentionally cause an increase in crime, because the executives have a financial interest in the private prison industry. That reminded me: a few years ago I read an article by a former industry exec who attended a meeting (under NDA) where A&R people were offered equity in private prisons in exchange for promoting criminal behavior through music. Cube didn't accept any blame for himself (or place any on NWA) but hinted that they were unwittingly used as part of a bigger plan.
But the music industry isnt anything without the artist to profit from & the artists are all too willing to take that money to rap how they do. Just the same as people who are willing to sell drugs to people in their own community to profit from. They don't care about the negative effects that has. Its just another hustle for self.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx yeah if they had a secret meeting to only destroy rap music and sign rappers to rap negative but not white music, then yeah iits the industry's fault, wtf you on? You brainwashed mfs can't never see the true enemy. Lupe Fiasco said they came to him and told him they weren't putting his album out cause his lyrics weren't damaging enough, nows he's black balled and his fans had to protest for his album to come out, meanwhile Lil Durk, King Von, and FBG Duck was in full rotation. Learn the game then come holla at me.
@@Garyallen55 Right. It was violent local gangs in EVERY major city. And the LA Gangs only migrated so that they could sell a lot more govt funded crack. It ain't have sh*t to do with music or movies. These surface level ass takes are ridiculous. Let's let Reagan off the hook and yell at Ice Cube for writing about what he grew up in.
@@Garyallen55 Gangster Disciples wasn't rappers. The topic was promoting it in Hip Hop and Entertainment. Also gangs wasn't killing each other over colors back in the 70's, they was protecting the community
@@truthiscensored gangster culture was slowly brewing+ crack epidemic 80's+ the lady's are strong independent don't need no man + no man, no daddy at home= chaos... Wasn't no one thing that ruined the blk community.
Yep! I'm 44 and remember da whole shit. Sun was 100% accurate and I'm actually FROM CaLi so I had a frontrow view of the paradigm shift out here. The music created a vicious cyclone of negative winds that hovered over the hoods like rainclouds, perpetually brewing toxic energy, toxic interactions, and toxic outcomes. Those of us that had the basic sense to see it were marginalized. And those that *didnt have the basic sense to see it got brainwashed by the veritable abnormal-normality of it, leaving them hypnotized in a stupor of non-self-awareness. Basically, the waters that the blind poured on NWA's seeds grew the Jungles of Chicago! Some of us saw Chicago comin back in 91....
Ice-T was kind of like a bridge between the social message type rap of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and what was later called gangster rap. When that bridge collapsed sometime in the early 90's, his rap career went down with it. The fact that he still went gold with Home Invasion is pretty incredible really, but it came out before Doggystyle and a few other key gangster rap albums that year. Once G-Funk took hold, he was done. Hard hitting rap with a social message was out by 93. Public Enemy also suffered as a result of this 'decision'. Most of the popular socially conscious rap of that time was less aggressive. e.g. Tribe, Arrested Development etc. and the powers that be liked it that way.
I'm glad Lord Jamar gave Ice Cube's solo records a shout out instead of claiming conscious rap with a message went extinct after NWA. Doggystyle was 1993? Blunted on Reality was 1994. 90s was filled with all styles of rap covering all topics, including conscious/political
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cxit was out by 93 he’s right. Cause everyone after that was trying sound more hard and go gangster. The term studio gangsta I’m sure came after NWA. Why would there be the need for studio gangster by record labels pressuring artist to go hard have a fake hood life story and all that just to sell records. Or fake beef? It was the NWA effect that happened and that conscious hard rap was out by 93. Even ice cube suffered from that with his albums after 92. He had to remain on gangsta music to sell after that.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cxit was out meaning it wasn’t cool to be a conscious rapper. And if you remember the movie menace to society. Pac was supposed to play the conscious character in the movie but he wanted Larenz Tate role as O-Dog. That’s why he got into the fight with the huges brothers the directors of the movie and beat them up because he felt the conscious character role was corny and would ruin his new gangster rap image. Remember Pac was rapping political and conscious before he went to death row. As time went on his style got more edgier and gangster. So that alone tells you being conscious was being played out by 93. 94 it was a wrap. It wasn’t the popular move to be that back then. Conscious rappers where now being considered underground and not mainstream or hip hop ppl wanted to hear.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx The influx of rappers trying be hard and record label’s trying push rappers to be hard to the point they even pushing rappers that’s not about that life to be hard studio gangster with fake made up background stories of them growing up in the hood when some was raised in hood homes or the suburbs never sold a drug in their life or bust a gun is the point. That’s the point. That’s the NWA/Death Row effect. That’s his exact point. It wasn’t a few rappers it was every rapper at that time. Even Wu Tang had to change their style. Ppl forget RZA ODB and GZA who are all cousins was Rhyming a different style like kid n play and Hawaiian Sofi style music before they formed Wu tang. Jay-Z wasn’t rhyming gangster ish in the 80’s. He was making Hawaiian Sofi. The shift in hip hop after NWA is the point. It’s all the point.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx the point the conscious and other hip hop sub genres got drowned out to where the younger audience at the time didn’t wanna hear anything positive or rap that wasn’t hardcore or gangster. Which that became the standard later on in years to come to enter in the rap game as a thug or gangster. You couldn’t enter in as any other type of hip hop artist until Kanye arrived. You couldn’t be a back pack rapper or party rapper and survive in the 90’s and early 00’s. You had to come hard or go home back then. Ppl don’t get how it was back then. That’s what you missing.
But we can when the powers that be is using your music as a conduit to glorify negativity nothing positive ever came out of gangster rap just as nothing positive comes out of hoe culture, it destruction at the end of the day. NWA didn’t use that lifestyle as a teachable moment to sway the youths away from it, they glorified it and promoted it. And I’m not saying that they are the only ones that pushed negative trash in the rap culture but they are definitely top 2 as far as impact.
Facts. There was no pill popping and synthetic drug use in lyrics prior to the introduction of Mr. Marshall Mathers aka Slim Shady!! Yet people will say that it's hate because Em raps better than you favorite "Black" rapper which is also another narrative pushed upon our people and culture.
Ed said that NWA brought destruction to hip hop. The irony to it is that NWA has a song called "Appetite for Destruction". With that being said, NWA's success let white execs see how to make money in hip hop. They were the blueprint to bring hood, gangsta, thug rap to the forefront and make tons of money off of it like it or not. They considered themselves the ghetto CNN but record execs had other ideas and saw it as a way to exploit the Black community and tbh to affect young generations of Black kids for the next few generations.
@@AssistantToTheHNIC 9mm Goes Bang.....while he is on the cover flashing a GUN with Scott La Rock, I guess there was no destruction then because KRS is for the youth SMH
@@jman1562001 look at who fires the shot. Special Ed is Indo Jamaican. A man who is basically the male version of Kamala Harris in lineage. Literally. One parent from India. One parent from Jamaica. No Black American/Freedmen/FBA/Black American lineage AT ALL NYC is ground zero for immigrants, especially from the Carribean. So when they say "NY business" it's a way to shut out the chattel slave/Freedman descendants that are the kin of those inside in NY they're wrestling from. Not accidental.
The west Coast issued in the Gangs into rap. The East Cost (NY) issued in the drugs (selling/using) into rap (Hint all the rappers with Blow, Skii, Snow in their name) The South (ATL and Miami) issued in the B00ty Shaking, 304s and Strip Clubs into rap. All regions played their part, along with the movies New Jack City, Menace 2 Society, Juice, Boyz in the Hoods, and some black 80's movies
Nwa gets criticized because they were the most popular. It’s almost like it’s some east coast hate. No one mentioned g rap, schooly d, steady b, bdp, etc. all had so called gangster rap but don’t get mentioned as helping destroy the black youth
Even to this day there's industry plants that are destructive, I definitely agree with Lord Jamar, and let's be honest the corporate structure pushed the derogatory imagery.
Public Enemy had a song on their first album named “My Uzi Weigh a Ton” but it definitely didn’t support black on black crime. That’s how much the rap game changed
Public Enemy also had a song on their album called "Raise the Roof" where he openly says "...accepted as a communist / Claimin' fame to my name as a terrorist" P.E. was the start of the B.S. we now known as "BLM"
What needs to be said and constantly brought up is how alot of these rappers and producers was at that music executive meeting in the 90's and agreed to stab us in the back by promoting degeneracy.
All everyone saw was dollar signs, not saying it was right but think about how these guys (the artists and producers) were living either broke or just over broke so it was easy to entice them with extra digits on that paper. Again that's American capitalism really it's American "GREED" (the actual name for capitalism in this country) 🎤 Drop!
All everyone saw was dollar signs, not saying it was right but think about how these guys (the artists and producers) were living either broke or just over broke so it was easy to entice them with extra digits on that paper. Again that's American capitalism really it's American "GREED" (the actual name for capitalism in this country) 🎤 Drop!
I'm from NY and I am not gone tear down NWA... They were DOPE amd I am NOT mad at them boys talking bout what they was seeing out west. THEY DIDN'T TELL MFS TO COMMIT CRIME... Now I will say it was no gang life going on back in the 80's and early 90's but I still cant put all of hip hops negativity on them
Did the powers that be really push NWA? NWA didn’t get any radio play, didn’t get love on video shows, their music was attacked by the government. It was the people they wanted NWA and their music spread organically. Their music resonated because the crack era created environments that made NWA lyrics resonate with the people.
Nwa was used by Jerry Heller and the small hats to downgrade hip hop ..i am young and i was a baby during the time ...but gangsta rap was made to downgrade hip hop music after it was going into a direction to wake us up .
But what about Kool G Rap and Schooly D?? Also, if the East Coast was so righteous how come they took on the gang persona themselves. NWA wasn’t doing nothing that Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five wasn’t doing….spitting about what was going on around them!
One of my favorite Dre albums was The Doc, no one can do it better. My favorite joint on that album was “portrait of a masterpiece” back in 89. Had that joint on hella heavy rotation truth be told but honestly he was on a whole different wavelength kinda like Cube with his solo joints.
Ice T's movie "Colors" in my opinion had more impact ushering gang culture more so than NWA. It was when Ice Cube left NWA that the Hip Hop minstrel show was glorified.
Exactly NWA didn't even talk gang politics in their raps, and they didn't even wear the colors. The Gangs got Spreaded because different people from La was going to different cities and setting up shop.
It wasn’t Ice Ts movie. He was just on the soundtrack. Dennis Hopper made that movie with actors and some real gangbangers that was already banging before the song Colors came out.
Based on what?!?!? He wasn't specific AT ALL. NWAs 2nd single was "Express Yourself" .. GTFO .. freebase was around in the 70s .. New Yorkers can never look at themselves .. same cats said the South ruined hip hop
@AssistantToTheHNIC Bruh get out your feelings and grow up. NWA is a great group however some of the things they did were wrong. Put your biasness and emotions to the side and think logically for a moment.
Watch ice cube last breakfast club interview he actually agrees with special ed he said they didn't know they would be exploited by the industry they was just trying to make local underground music that would be in the comedy section with Richard Pryor they wasn't making music for mainstream
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx authentic means to be genuine. You just confirmed neither Dre or Cube were authentic gangsters so what was authentic about them? Eazy’s clout?
Also, when Cube decides his first solo album with the Bomb Squad, he still had his geri curl, and made the same type of music he made with NWA. It was his second album, produced by west coast producers, when he cut his curl, and he had more NOI influence combined with LA street politics.
Cube's stance at the time of Straight Outta Compton was more like Huey P Newton hooking up with Tookie Williams. He was reporting LA living coupled of instituted racism handed down via Donald Gates & the infamous LAPD. NWA's rise in Hip Hop wasn't entirely coupled with misogynistic tendencies, gang references, 40oz drinking, and gun-toting. It was a mirror image of what went in South Central/Compton
Cube's 1st solo album was mixed with some gritt but it most definitely wasn't the same stuff they or he was kicking on NWA albums. "I DON'T BANG, I ROCK THE GOOD RHYMES!! THE WHOLE SCENERY REMINDED ME OF GOOD TIMES" And had his "political" sh!t on there. Far from NWA
Philly had alot of gangsta rappers that gett love to this day . the south and the west stop doing hiphop music after showing love to nyc rapper just to get dissed on records around 1987 or 88 . the drugs that was put in the black community hurt hiphop . most rappers rap about what they see . plus people got sick of just rapping about how fresh you are.
Its more deathrow than NWA. NWA were still outsiders and weren't being pushed by the powers that be but by the time deathrow came on the scene they were being pushed everywhere and thats where the erosion started.
I disagree with Special Ed, NWA really didn’t push no gang bang blood and crip stuff, that really started with Snoop and Death Row. As far as gang activity outside of LA, lot of that started with gang affiliated LA cats going into, say, Little Rock, and establishing red or blue sets there
@brucestill1248 The topic wasn't about "gangbanging". It's about the production of TOXIC MUSIC being used for PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE to undermine the Black community.
In N.W.A.'s defense, let me quote another Brooklyn legend: "Like I told you sell drugs. No! Hov did that so hopefully, you won't have to go through that!"
Jay Z was a 2nd tier MC back in the Day. Sold his soul to not be 2nd tier. He pretends to have been a Drug dealer when he was just a small time worker selling anothers product. Probably didn't even know who's product he was selling.
@@sc84_ I don't "Hate" on Jay Z, I just have NO RESPECT FOR HIM! I remember the beginnings of Hip Hop. I was their. I remember being in the Navy in San Diego in 1984 and Cali knew nothing of Hip Hop. I did a jam in Phily in 1980 and they knew noting of Hip Hop.
@@vnorm2907Yeah ..you right about Jay Z though Nobody felt him when this culture was still alive.Dude was wearing Hawaiian shirts and getting dissed everywhere
Like I said NWA shares some of the blame, but I blame us fans also. There is a reason why Punks Jump Up was a more popular song than Wake Up. Thee is a reason why Criminal Minded was many people favorite BDP album. The times were changing and many of those negative songs resonated with the people Also, NWA was dope.
Peace from BFLO NY to the whole world! 1) what's the meaning of the term Age Of Destruction? 2) what impact did the letter they received from the Govt play? 3) what role did Jerry Heller play? How many black children enrolled in college(percentage wise) before, after? 4) what about what Kool Moe Dee, KrayZie Bone, 9th Wonder stated in their interviews in regards to this subject? This subject is ONLY being discussed on the music side; when it's DEEPER than that.
Even Alonzo said after NWA/Colors, the gang population greatly increased in LA. DJ Quik records Just Lyke Compton, which is about how gangster rap transported gangster culture to big and small towns across the US. Anybody disagreeing with Special Ed is just trying to be neutral, or they're just being disingenuous.
Lonzo steady cappin I'm from la and can say that's not true he been low-key hating on nwa for the longest and special ed is definitely wrong ,gang bangin was already gone be popular period cause that was the culture heck even cats from banging on wax was dissing cube and nwa
@@thelastdon9000 Smh… So called gangsta rap from LA, colors, menace etc…all contributed to the bs we’re seeing state to state. And I’m from the streets of LA.
NWA never talked about bloods and crips on the records. They weren't "gang banging". They were just talking about street stuff and what was going on in the neighborhoods in general.
I respectfully disagree with special ED, because all throughout America in the 80’s and 90’s was crazy in a black neighborhoods. NWA gave the reality of the hood.
@@genetallen7130 I don’t know where the f@*k you’re from,but we didn’t do that bullshit where I’m from,”fighting over colors “,that’s some retarded shit
NWA did not wear gang colors they wore black. I was 12 and had no understanding of red and blue Bloods or Crips. And NWA did not discuss game culture that I can recall and almost 95% of the album
NWA did not teach hip hop to gangbang at all by any stretch. Gangs and drug’s were going on from coast to coast way before NWA. Plus we never knew what gang NWA represented except for niggaz with attitude. Ren, Eazy E, Cube, Dre, and D.O.C never claimed a color or gang.
IMHO what is hurting the Black Community regarding Hip Hop is the same thing that is hurting us on every level and that is the lack of ownership and control of what we produce as well as our image. Our labor, creativity, intellectual property and the vast majority of anything we manufacture is for another group besides Black people. Since that is the case the White Owner gets to shape our image anyway they see fit and use the proceeds that are produced to our detriment. It's a vicious cycle.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx You can count the number of Hip Hop Billionaires on one hand. I don't know where YOU are from but in America Black people under segregation had our own business Sector, Sports Leagues, Hospitals, Schools in short we had an economic base. Integration and the false belief that Whites would stop attacking us if we integrated led to our current condition. We basically destroyed our own economic base by following the leadership of Boule puppets off a cliff. Unity and Accountability just became our problem here since the 1970's we are unique from Black people from other places. Part of the problem is that we have allowed everyone to project upon us their failure and colonized mentality when they land in America. They separate their accomplishment under their national flag and their criminality, dysfunction and failure under the label "Black". We are putting an end to that. As you can see we are not perfect, we got bamboozled into Integration and fleeced but we are waking up. With our economic base restored we can reverse the destruction of the family that was done as a result and we can control our image. Our biggest problem is that we willingly participate in an anti Black system that cannot exist without our Willing participation economically and socially.
I think the movies like Colors and Boyz in the Hood, Menace was more influential of the spread of gangs than NWA. Then again crack was also the major player because west coast dudes started traveling down south and also help spread gang culture.
@@roberts4587 Schooley D is not a gangster rapper, Ice T started gangster rap. Now you eastcoast clowns wanna claim yall started gangster rap now? 🤣🤣🤣 Goofy ass shit.
Ice T in my opinion is one of those rappers turned better Actor. We know him for his roles in sht like Trespass, New Jack City, and then SVU which was the icing. We respect the OG for his growth and acknowledge his music. I always said on the East gang banging wasn’t a thing especially in Philly. You had squads but ngas wasn’t all wearing one color and terrorizing innocent people smh It was about getting money and being fly. Fresh kicks, fresh cut. Looking good and feeling good while getting some bread. Going to be around women and showing off nice cars. That shift is coming back tho
True, but when you say terrorizing innocent people wasn't just a west coast thing it was all over the country, getting money and fly was all over, the industry pushed that agenda
*Eastside Low Bottoms sh*t !* _Tappin' in from South Central LA_ There were so called "reality rappers" prior to NWA. The difference was the production of Dr. Dre ! He and Yella made it sonically pleasing - along with masterful rhymes by Cube and Ren. They were able to paint a vivid picture of inner city experiences with s*x, dr*gs, gangs and interactions with the kkkops that other inner city residents could identify with.
The government didn't care what coast we were on they wanted to destroy all of our communities and we really have to elevate our thinking and have mature conversations.
Cool Herc was not a Black Spade. Afrika Bambaataa started The Almighty Zulu Nation and they spread Hip Hop to Europe not the Black Spades. Hip Hop became a thing in NYC because the Gangs had a truce they made. I remember this. I have been a B Boy since the 1970's.
NWA is not responsible for it… they gave a depiction of their community… they never encouraged it… their music was revolutionary… only 2 of them were even in a gang… it’s not their fault if dumb people clung to the negativity… I never wanted to be in a gang… I thought that lifestyle was bad because of the picture they painted
Thank you! You expressed my thoughts better than I could. I think people were so scared of their explicit and graphic depictions of reality and their gratuitous use of profanity that the underlying message was lost. And then there was the media…
Quit pushing that "they were just giving depictions" lie cuz it ain't helping. "Here's a little somethin' bout a nigga like me Never shoulda been let out the penitentiary Ice Cube would like ta say That I'm a crazy mothafucka from around the way Since I was a youth, I smoked weed out Now I'm the mutha fucka that ya read about Takin' a life or two that's what the hell I do You don't like how I'm livin well fuck you This is a gang, and I'm in it My man Dre'll fuck you up in a minute With a right left, right left you toothless And then you say goddamn they ruthless! Everywhere we go they say (damn) N W A's fuckin' up tha program And then you realize we don't care We don't just say no, we to busy sayin' yeah! About drinkin'' straight out the eight bottle Do I look like a mutha fuckin role model? To a kid lookin' up ta me Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money 'Cause I'm tha type o' nigga that's built ta last If ya fuck wit me I'll put a foot in ya ass See I don't give a fuck 'cause I keep bailin' Yo, what the fuck are they yellin'' Gangsta, Gangsta! That's what they're yellin' It's not about a salary, it's all about reality" Gangsta, Gangsta! That's what they're yellin' "Hopin you sophisticated motherfuckers hear what I have to say"" I can keep going. It was mostly teenagers and kids being influenced by that bullshit. The grown adults were telling us to turn that shit off.
NWA was used, but nobody forced them, NY focused on CONSCIOUS RAP, West Coast is KNOWN FOR GANGSTA RAP! ED SAID NOTHING WRONG, THEY JUST MAD THEY ARE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOW FINALLY
I said it too. I know for a fact the hype at the time was revolutionary with Public Enemy and Rakim. When i heard my Uncle playing EasyE I was literally covering my ears. I just been singing U.N.I.T.Y then heard n.w.a and Was like wow they are savages. And I didn't want any parts of that music.
While NWA did help contribute to the destruction, but they were not the only thing. Why didn’t Special Ee mention Kool G Rap? is there some east coast bus going on. Also, Special Ed mentioned Wu as positive, come on. Wu was closer to NWA than they were to the Native Tongues. Wu was NWA sprinkled with some Supreme Mathematics here ant there. One could argue Cube lyrics while in NWA offered balance.
11:08 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Lord Jamar.. thats EXACTLY what Specual Ed was saying.. nwa was rhe "starting point" for the,what THEY deemed,not the Hip Hop community, as "Gangster Rap".. 💯💯💯💯💯💯
We as youngsta never even knew what set most these rappers was in wasn't until the late 2000. Truthfully Boyz n hood taught us about gangs not rap. So he wrong.
There were no rapper claiming set in nwa unless they said it subliminal. Which young kids would caught. They actually other than easy was even in a true gang. Gangs been around since the 50. I say banging in little Rock taught me more about gangs than rap
The influence and explosion of drugs was the catalyst for most that destructiveness. "My Summer Vacation" to "Belly" like cats moved around from up top to small towns selling dope (when it got hot OR to expand) the gangs and big willies was all doing the same thangs... with crews from the east (cause the wasn't banging as much) and the gangs from the East but they was banging so where they went they took that with them. So we basically looking at two sides of the same F'n coin!! Gangs ain't spread because of rap, they spread because they branched out and moved to different towns and cities to tap into unclaimed markets/areas.
Revelations is dope and one of my faves from that year, definitely underrated. I iked NWA as you said and Cube and Ren were highly skilled rappers, Cube left after an album or two and went off and did his thing and got more conscious after that (Political etc.).
@seancagney8897 Yea 95 was classic year in hip hop especially with only built 4 Cuban linx, infamous and Liquid swords releasing. Cube was better as a solo artist released some classics.
Maybe its true, but I do feel like we had a balance tho. Something for everybody. My bro introduced me to it but wasnt really a fan of the grimy stuff he liked. So there was queen la, lyte, kris kross, monnie, UMCs, Brand Nubian, Bahamadia, Digga, Kwame, Father MC etc I could listen to. If you didnt want the grimy street rap then there was other stuff to choose from. And all of it was available like a buffet. So NWA reached those that was into it and not everybody. But today, these kids have no option, no buffet. Majority is the same. They treat the talented ones like side dishes. You know its on the side but paying more attention to the mains. Therefore other diners wont know its there either until there is a reason to notice it, and thats what sad. Because the sides today are way better and healthier than the mains being presented to us.
Unfortunately two things can be true!! While I agree wit Ed said but rah had a point too!! I feel like it was a reflection of what was going on in their hood, but at the same time the world fell in love wit west coast ganster,and that took over!!
Special Ed’s 2nd album “legal” is my favorite joint he did. Every track was 🔥1990 was a really dope year and shift in hip hop. 88 was the build up to the 90s.
These New York artist criticisms are based on jealousy. They all came out around the same time, but NWA was far more important to Rap than Brand Nubian or Special Ed. Brand Nubian and Special Ed are pretty much forgotten, but NWA is in the Hall of Fame. There've been numerous documentaries made about NWA and even a Hollywood movie.
Its about the black community not New York or California. We talking about violence in the community. You talking about the Rock and Roll hall of fame and movies. You not taking this conversation seriously.
NWA wasn’t far more important, they had better promotion. When they first came out , NYC didn’t like them at all , but radio stations kept pushing their music hard . After a while NYC kinda gave up , got used to their music and said , 🤷♀️ f=ck it ! That’s when NY’ers started listening to NWA and if my memory serves me , them Texas dudes , the ghetto boys . Back then , NY only liked NY hip hop music and maybe music from near by states ( the tri state area ). They did not like hip hop from the south and out west . They used to think those places were too country and corny .
I'm a middle-aged Haitian-American man from Flatbush, Brooklyn during the early 1970s. My fascination with gangsters and organized crime came from the hardened and mean streets of Brooklyn! My family moved to the suburbs of the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles during the late 1970s to escape the madness of NYC. I grew up in Los Angeles and I'm still a huge fan of cats like ICE-T, EAZY E, DOC, ICE CUBE, SNOOP DOGG, and NWA! Those cats didn't glorify the life of a criminal, they spoke about the reality and negativity of being in that life! Of course, a lot of the criminality is ALL-AMERICAN, and this country has been obsessed with gangsterism since Hollywood began making these films in the 1930s starting with the original SCARFACE. I'm an organized crime historian and I have a fascination with gangsters, NOT ADMIRATION! Listening to NWA never made me want to live in the projects or commit crimes, it made me want to stay away from it! I think that NWA was good for hip-hop intellectuals! The music was funky as fuck, and enjoyable to listen to! It was a social perspective and commentary on ghetto life on the streets of Los Angeles during a very dangerous and difficult time!
During NWA prime time, West Coast was off the chain with Drive by killings, as a New Yorker I couldn't understand that mindset.. IMO Yes NWA was the Beginning of the End of Hip Hop!
"Black on black crime was way before our time." - M.C. Delite Much of the inner city violence began with the 1970s and 1980s drug influx. Ganster Hip Hop may help perpetuate gang violence, but I think it would still exist without the influence of rap. I believe poverty is the primary catalyst otherwise the middle-class areas who also bought the music would be doing the same thing
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx I get the point and I have no reason to deflect. I'm stating my opinion. I'm not saying there is no correlation, that the music has no negative influence in the continuation of that situation, but I think the influence is not as strong as generally believed and it's being used as a scapegoat. Much of the gang activity stemmed from the drug game, as drugs spread across the nation, violence and crew and gang activity followed. This happened in the 1970s and 1980s before NWA was introduced, in spite of all the positive music we had (Roy Ayers, The Isley Brothers, Earth Wind & Fire, Motown, etc.). Gangs and violence continued to spread after that following the path of the drug trade. The chicken comes before the egg. Gangster rap is a product of the street game, not the other way around. Many rappers rap about it because that's what they lived or because that's what sells records, i.e. that is what we choose to spend our money on, more so than the positive music (Brand Nubian, Gangstarr, Jeru the Damaja, Intelligent Hoodlum, Public Enemy). The negative music doesn't help the situation, but it's not as much to blame for keeping people in that situation as people believe. I agree to disagree
Lord Jamar can speak on this topic officially because Brand Nubian stood on business with their lyrics about Unity and empowerment etc..they never switched up 💯👌🏾
I agree 100% with Special Ed. Yes, Ice T did gangster rap prior to NWA but the difference was that Ice T's raps told a story that had a moral at the end. Whilst NWA were speaking about a way of life that they were living and their raps never spoke against the detriment of the environment and lifestyle, instead they normalised it to mainstream and it then became a way of life that the younger generation went on to emulate. Even though it is a lifestyle which is destructive to all who engage in that life. Having grown up in that era rappers from the East coast rappers rapped about education, positivity and fun which was uplifting and encouraged aim higher and created a strong sense of pride in who we are as a people. Sadly, 30 years on from the introduction of gangsta rap it is now common place for a large section of the black community to refer to each other using the N word. What is worse is that parents and grandparents have normalised referring to their own children and grandchildren as the N word. If hip hop had remained in it's original form in my opinion this generation would be in a better place than we are today.
Ed was right. I’m from the west coast. I remember when it hit & I remember wondering who is behind this? The people didn’t chose NWA… Jerry Heller did. That whole interscope team was about exploitation and then it somehow became mandatory to focus on these subjects for record labels
They were the first rap group to start saying then-word, b-word and h-word over and over and over. They were lucky the music sounded good tho, because the lyrics were straight from the streets.
Y'all have forgotten the fact that violence has started long before Hip Hop. We all know that Hip Hop started in the East, and I'm pretty sure that all artist from that region would not want nobody "Biting their shit". But when different regions came up with their own style, why hate? They are telling a story.
There’s a certain timing of NWA with the expansion of the crips and bloods however NWA never promoted crips or bloods. Ice cube just story told what was going on never self promoted NWA AS crips and bloods. It’s just that Dr. Dre had hot production then record companies started to use NWA as a template.
I don't think the music was social engineering. But it did have a negative impact on the youth. I loved NWA, they were the first group that got me into rap. I also loved conscious music. I never stopped buying conscious music even after it stopped getting radio play.
Have you guys really listen to NWA first album? It was hip hop af. NWA was great for hip hop. Without them..Hip hop would be stagnant. Look at all classic records that we love on the east coast. Biggie, Jay Z, Wu Tang, the Lox, DMX,etc. They all talked street shit as well. They were NWA influenced as well. They said the same thang...so they hip hop and NWA is not? Special Ed had a point but he said that with coastal bias. Wu and NWA said the same thing in their music. And I love them all. Let's be fair!
I believe what Ed failed to say was “they were the group that catapulted to a certain level” and therefore were the beginning. There were others but those artist didn’t come close to the level of NWA. If anything he should have said Ice T.
Even Ice Cube said on Joe Rogan that the music industry used gangsta rap to intentionally cause an increase in crime, because the executives have a financial interest in the private prison industry. That reminded me: a few years ago I read an article by a former industry exec who attended a meeting (under NDA) where A&R people were offered equity in private prisons in exchange for promoting criminal behavior through music.
Cube didn't accept any blame for himself (or place any on NWA) but hinted that they were unwittingly used as part of a bigger plan.
Facts.
Good point
Can you tell me where I can find that article, fam?
Too Short Krazy Bone and other artist said that pale record exects will only sign or deal with you if you ONLY use the gang lifestyle narrative.
The music industry is responsible for pushing the negativity to this very day and they should be held accountable
Exactly💯 and nobody wants to come at them only at each other.
But the music industry isnt anything without the artist to profit from & the artists are all too willing to take that money to rap how they do. Just the same as people who are willing to sell drugs to people in their own community to profit from. They don't care about the negative effects that has. Its just another hustle for self.
FBI destroyed the Black Panthers. Then after came pinning black people against each other. CIA followed by putting drugs in the black community.
100% truth.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx yeah if they had a secret meeting to only destroy rap music and sign rappers to rap negative but not white music, then yeah iits the industry's fault, wtf you on? You brainwashed mfs can't never see the true enemy. Lupe Fiasco said they came to him and told him they weren't putting his album out cause his lyrics weren't damaging enough, nows he's black balled and his fans had to protest for his album to come out, meanwhile Lil Durk, King Von, and FBG Duck was in full rotation. Learn the game then come holla at me.
NWA came out in 1987. Colors dropped in 88. Suddenly we got bloods in Arkansas. Shit ruined the minds of many.
As if gangster disciples wasn't started in the 70s... Stop looking for a quick answer for a long duration issue
@@Garyallen55 Right. It was violent local gangs in EVERY major city. And the LA Gangs only migrated so that they could sell a lot more govt funded crack. It ain't have sh*t to do with music or movies. These surface level ass takes are ridiculous. Let's let Reagan off the hook and yell at Ice Cube for writing about what he grew up in.
@@Garyallen55 Gangster Disciples wasn't rappers. The topic was promoting it in Hip Hop and Entertainment.
Also gangs wasn't killing each other over colors back in the 70's, they was protecting the community
@@truthiscensored gangster culture was slowly brewing+ crack epidemic 80's+ the lady's are strong independent don't need no man + no man, no daddy at home= chaos... Wasn't no one thing that ruined the blk community.
Yup exactly
Special Ed is right. I remember it like yesterday and I've been saying the same thing for years
And you listened to it
Yep! I'm 44 and remember da whole shit. Sun was 100% accurate and I'm actually FROM CaLi so I had a frontrow view of the paradigm shift out here. The music created a vicious cyclone of negative winds that hovered over the hoods like rainclouds, perpetually brewing toxic energy, toxic interactions, and toxic outcomes. Those of us that had the basic sense to see it were marginalized. And those that *didnt have the basic sense to see it got brainwashed by the veritable abnormal-normality of it, leaving them hypnotized in a stupor of non-self-awareness. Basically, the waters that the blind poured on NWA's seeds grew the Jungles of Chicago! Some of us saw Chicago comin back in 91....
@vandshome @Yes indeed and I couldn't understand why my father took it from.
Ice-T was kind of like a bridge between the social message type rap of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and what was later called gangster rap. When that bridge collapsed sometime in the early 90's, his rap career went down with it. The fact that he still went gold with Home Invasion is pretty incredible really, but it came out before Doggystyle and a few other key gangster rap albums that year. Once G-Funk took hold, he was done.
Hard hitting rap with a social message was out by 93. Public Enemy also suffered as a result of this 'decision'. Most of the popular socially conscious rap of that time was less aggressive. e.g. Tribe, Arrested Development etc. and the powers that be liked it that way.
I'm glad Lord Jamar gave Ice Cube's solo records a shout out instead of claiming conscious rap with a message went extinct after NWA. Doggystyle was 1993? Blunted on Reality was 1994. 90s was filled with all styles of rap covering all topics, including conscious/political
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cxit was out by 93 he’s right. Cause everyone after that was trying sound more hard and go gangster. The term studio gangsta I’m sure came after NWA. Why would there be the need for studio gangster by record labels pressuring artist to go hard have a fake hood life story and all that just to sell records. Or fake beef? It was the NWA effect that happened and that conscious hard rap was out by 93. Even ice cube suffered from that with his albums after 92. He had to remain on gangsta music to sell after that.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cxit was out meaning it wasn’t cool to be a conscious rapper. And if you remember the movie menace to society. Pac was supposed to play the conscious character in the movie but he wanted Larenz Tate role as O-Dog. That’s why he got into the fight with the huges brothers the directors of the movie and beat them up because he felt the conscious character role was corny and would ruin his new gangster rap image. Remember Pac was rapping political and conscious before he went to death row. As time went on his style got more edgier and gangster. So that alone tells you being conscious was being played out by 93. 94 it was a wrap. It wasn’t the popular move to be that back then. Conscious rappers where now being considered underground and not mainstream or hip hop ppl wanted to hear.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx The influx of rappers trying be hard and record label’s trying push rappers to be hard to the point they even pushing rappers that’s not about that life to be hard studio gangster with fake made up background stories of them growing up in the hood when some was raised in hood homes or the suburbs never sold a drug in their life or bust a gun is the point. That’s the point. That’s the NWA/Death Row effect. That’s his exact point. It wasn’t a few rappers it was every rapper at that time. Even Wu Tang had to change their style. Ppl forget RZA ODB and GZA who are all cousins was Rhyming a different style like kid n play and Hawaiian Sofi style music before they formed Wu tang. Jay-Z wasn’t rhyming gangster ish in the 80’s. He was making Hawaiian Sofi. The shift in hip hop after NWA is the point. It’s all the point.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx the point the conscious and other hip hop sub genres got drowned out to where the younger audience at the time didn’t wanna hear anything positive or rap that wasn’t hardcore or gangster. Which that became the standard later on in years to come to enter in the rap game as a thug or gangster. You couldn’t enter in as any other type of hip hop artist until Kanye arrived. You couldn’t be a back pack rapper or party rapper and survive in the 90’s and early 00’s. You had to come hard or go home back then. Ppl don’t get how it was back then. That’s what you missing.
Every song has a message, we can't fault nwa for speaking what they saw.
But we can when the powers that be is using your music as a conduit to glorify negativity nothing positive ever came out of gangster rap just as nothing positive comes out of hoe culture, it destruction at the end of the day. NWA didn’t use that lifestyle as a teachable moment to sway the youths away from it, they glorified it and promoted it.
And I’m not saying that they are the only ones that pushed negative trash in the rap culture but they are definitely top 2 as far as impact.
I disagree fam. They were making it up. None of them were in the streets. Because of them, the average person wanted to be a gangster.
Everything wasn't about what they saw 💬
There is a difference between what you saw and lived thrue and glamorize it. They glamorize all the negativity in the black community
The message can be destructive if its not constructive.
This is hilarious, who glamourized popping pills and created an epidemic in hip hop that doesn't get roasted? Eminem
true
Facts. There was no pill popping and synthetic drug use in lyrics prior to the introduction of Mr. Marshall Mathers aka Slim Shady!! Yet people will say that it's hate because Em raps better than you favorite "Black" rapper which is also another narrative pushed upon our people and culture.
Yeah but they won't say nothing against the white boy because they know they have to make some money....
Stop deflecting, nwa started the degeneateShit in rap
@@LemonySnikkettt True. A lot of things are marketed to the masses through music and television
Ed said that NWA brought destruction to hip hop. The irony to it is that NWA has a song called "Appetite for Destruction". With that being said, NWA's success let white execs see how to make money in hip hop. They were the blueprint to bring hood, gangsta, thug rap to the forefront and make tons of money off of it like it or not. They considered themselves the ghetto CNN but record execs had other ideas and saw it as a way to exploit the Black community and tbh to affect young generations of Black kids for the next few generations.
TRUEEE
Special Ed joins Melle Mel, KRS One, Lord Jamar an a small amount of other "grown men" Hip Hop fans who can and will admit the truth.
KRS one's 1st album was called CRIMINAL MINDED (1987) I saw no NWA then😢
@@AssistantToTheHNICfacts. They are just mad because someone other than them blew up with the gangster style
@@AssistantToTheHNIC 9mm Goes Bang.....while he is on the cover flashing a GUN with Scott La Rock, I guess there was no destruction then because KRS is for the youth SMH
@@jman1562001 look at who fires the shot. Special Ed is Indo Jamaican. A man who is basically the male version of Kamala Harris in lineage. Literally. One parent from India. One parent from Jamaica. No Black American/Freedmen/FBA/Black American lineage AT ALL
NYC is ground zero for immigrants, especially from the Carribean. So when they say "NY business" it's a way to shut out the chattel slave/Freedman descendants that are the kin of those inside in NY they're wrestling from.
Not accidental.
@@HARRIS2820nah. They used plants to over exaggerate things they never DONE!
So let's just ignore that N.W.A,put a spotlight on police brutality...
Thank you.
Stop that’s not tru
@@thenowwhatshow4142it is true clown, what rapper spoke on that before nwa???
@@jasonmoore2994 lol so we only know shit if a rapper speaks ok it ??? lol
The west Coast issued in the Gangs into rap.
The East Cost (NY) issued in the drugs (selling/using) into rap (Hint all the rappers with Blow, Skii, Snow in their name)
The South (ATL and Miami) issued in the B00ty Shaking, 304s and Strip Clubs into rap.
All regions played their part, along with the movies New Jack City, Menace 2 Society, Juice, Boyz in the Hoods, and some black 80's movies
Pacific Northwest is the most innocent region lol
Special Ed just saying what Proffer Griff and the rest of the Conscious Community been saying online for the past 20yrs..
The Problem was around before NWA !!!
Cube and Eazy was just telling the truth about the reality in our inner cities
Nwa gets criticized because they were the most popular. It’s almost like it’s some east coast hate. No one mentioned g rap, schooly d, steady b, bdp, etc. all had so called gangster rap but don’t get mentioned as helping destroy the black youth
@jayman3915 that exactly what it is
Even to this day there's industry plants that are destructive, I definitely agree with Lord Jamar, and let's be honest the corporate structure pushed the derogatory imagery.
Public Enemy had a song on their first album named “My Uzi Weigh a Ton” but it definitely didn’t support black on black crime. That’s how much the rap game changed
Public Enemy also had a song on their album called "Raise the Roof" where he openly says
"...accepted as a communist / Claimin' fame to my name as a terrorist"
P.E. was the start of the B.S. we now known as "BLM"
New York with their "HIP HOP JIM CROW" What was Mobb Deep rapping about?
Fuck the Police was just as powerful and socially conscious as Fight the Power. Nobody ever gives credit for that.
This segment definitely needed to see the light 💯
I was a college kid and loved Public Enemy, NWA, Ice T, and 2 Live. LA was gang banging before NWA and NY was grimy at the same time.
@JaiAnthony-zg5cx LA was banging long before NWA. NWA didn't take bloodin and crippin to other cities, bloods and chips did.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx ask your mother!
Everybody knows the truth and the ones that don’t or act like they don’t know the truth will answer for it.
Facts
N.W.A.s'Niggzza For Life Album is what Special Ed is talking about. That album was out of control straight 🔥🔥🔥but out of control!
Soooo.... Straight Outta Compton was just outta control too?
What needs to be said and constantly brought up is how alot of these rappers and producers was at that music executive meeting in the 90's and agreed to stab us in the back by promoting degeneracy.
And RESPECTFULLY ... was WU TANG 4 da children 4real ... dey was sniffing ALL OVA' dem traxxx
All everyone saw was dollar signs, not saying it was right but think about how these guys (the artists and producers) were living either broke or just over broke so it was easy to entice them with extra digits on that paper. Again that's American capitalism really it's American "GREED" (the actual name for capitalism in this country) 🎤 Drop!
All everyone saw was dollar signs, not saying it was right but think about how these guys (the artists and producers) were living either broke or just over broke so it was easy to entice them with extra digits on that paper. Again that's American capitalism really it's American "GREED" (the actual name for capitalism in this country) 🎤 Drop!
If we gonna be real alot of our own kind did alotta damage to our communities for ages on and off the mic.
I'm from NY and I am not gone tear down NWA... They were DOPE amd I am NOT mad at them boys talking bout what they was seeing out west. THEY DIDN'T TELL MFS TO COMMIT CRIME... Now I will say it was no gang life going on back in the 80's and early 90's but I still cant put all of hip hops negativity on them
Did the powers that be really push NWA? NWA didn’t get any radio play, didn’t get love on video shows, their music was attacked by the government. It was the people they wanted NWA and their music spread organically. Their music resonated because the crack era created environments that made NWA lyrics resonate with the people.
Nwa was used by Jerry Heller and the small hats to downgrade hip hop ..i am young and i was a baby during the time ...but gangsta rap was made to downgrade hip hop music after it was going into a direction to wake us up .
Wth are you taking about
@@mgomez9736 you know what I'm talking about!!
@@june7gemini you don't know what you're talking!!
@@june7geminiThat facts facts you have NYC in your name speaks volumes, another hating New Yorker.
But what about Kool G Rap and Schooly D?? Also, if the East Coast was so righteous how come they took on the gang persona themselves. NWA wasn’t doing nothing that Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five wasn’t doing….spitting about what was going on around them!
People act like new york was so righteous them New York dudes was the first ones too sell out by letting the jews take control
Right and KRS 1
That part
One of my favorite Dre albums was The Doc, no one can do it better. My favorite joint on that album was “portrait of a masterpiece” back in 89. Had that joint on hella heavy rotation truth be told but honestly he was on a whole different wavelength kinda like Cube with his solo joints.
Professor Griff been said what Special Ed said along with a slew of others
Ice T's movie "Colors" in my opinion had more impact ushering gang culture more so than NWA. It was when Ice Cube left NWA that the Hip Hop minstrel show was glorified.
Exactly NWA didn't even talk gang politics in their raps, and they didn't even wear the colors. The Gangs got Spreaded because different people from La was going to different cities and setting up shop.
@@georgehudson5019facts.
@@georgehudson5019Exactly
It wasn’t Ice Ts movie. He was just on the soundtrack. Dennis Hopper made that movie with actors and some real gangbangers that was already banging before the song Colors came out.
@@melhardy5909 Niggaz didn't go to the theatre to see Dennis Hopper though. We all were eager to watch it because of Ice T.
I totally agree with Special Ed.
As a person that was born and raised on the West Coast I agree with you being a total idiot
Based on what?!?!? He wasn't specific AT ALL. NWAs 2nd single was "Express Yourself" .. GTFO .. freebase was around in the 70s .. New Yorkers can never look at themselves .. same cats said the South ruined hip hop
@AssistantToTheHNIC Bruh get out your feelings and grow up. NWA is a great group however some of the things they did were wrong. Put your biasness and emotions to the side and think logically for a moment.
You probably smoke crack
Watch ice cube last breakfast club interview he actually agrees with special ed he said they didn't know they would be exploited by the industry they was just trying to make local underground music that would be in the comedy section with Richard Pryor they wasn't making music for mainstream
That’s why we have to think about what we put out and how it’s going to effect our people not just the money!!!
NWA was being authentic and original. 👨🏻 labeled the music “gangsta rap” and they control the media and labels.
Dre and Cube were not Gs. I’ve Cube wrote those raps as a good kid. What was authentic about that?
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx authentic means to be genuine. You just confirmed neither Dre or Cube were authentic gangsters so what was authentic about them? Eazy’s clout?
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx when I mean by authentic is being something outside of the norm. Everyone had their own lane in 80s and 90s
Also, when Cube decides his first solo album with the Bomb Squad, he still had his geri curl, and made the same type of music he made with NWA. It was his second album, produced by west coast producers, when he cut his curl, and he had more NOI influence combined with LA street politics.
Cube's stance at the time of Straight Outta Compton was more like Huey P Newton hooking up with Tookie Williams. He was reporting LA living coupled of instituted racism handed down via Donald Gates & the infamous LAPD. NWA's rise in Hip Hop wasn't entirely coupled with misogynistic tendencies, gang references, 40oz drinking, and gun-toting. It was a mirror image of what went in South Central/Compton
Cube's 1st solo album was mixed with some gritt but it most definitely wasn't the same stuff they or he was kicking on NWA albums. "I DON'T BANG, I ROCK THE GOOD RHYMES!! THE WHOLE SCENERY REMINDED ME OF GOOD TIMES"
And had his "political" sh!t on there. Far from NWA
They had the suburbs wanting to be hood!!!!!👊🏽🔥
Philly had alot of gangsta rappers that gett love to this day . the south and the west stop doing hiphop music after showing love to nyc rapper just to get dissed on records around 1987 or 88 . the drugs that was put in the black community hurt hiphop . most rappers rap about what they see . plus people got sick of just rapping about how fresh you are.
But then everyone starting making the same type of music. Talking about selling drugs, shooting and hoes. There was no balance after nwa
Its more deathrow than NWA. NWA were still outsiders and weren't being pushed by the powers that be but by the time deathrow came on the scene they were being pushed everywhere and thats where the erosion started.
I disagree with Special Ed, NWA really didn’t push no gang bang blood and crip stuff, that really started with Snoop and Death Row. As far as gang activity outside of LA, lot of that started with gang affiliated LA cats going into, say, Little Rock, and establishing red or blue sets there
@brucestill1248
The topic wasn't about "gangbanging".
It's about the production of TOXIC MUSIC being used for PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE to undermine the Black community.
In N.W.A.'s defense, let me quote another Brooklyn legend: "Like I told you sell drugs. No! Hov did that so hopefully, you won't have to go through that!"
Jay Z was a 2nd tier MC back in the Day. Sold his soul to not be 2nd tier.
He pretends to have been a Drug dealer when he was just a small time worker selling anothers product. Probably didn't even know who's product he was selling.
@@vnorm2907🧢🧢🧢 this just you hating on Jay
Plenty of 90s rap music about remorse
@@sc84_ I don't "Hate" on Jay Z, I just have NO RESPECT FOR HIM!
I remember the beginnings of Hip Hop. I was their. I remember being in the Navy in San Diego in 1984 and Cali knew nothing of Hip Hop.
I did a jam in Phily in 1980 and they knew noting of Hip Hop.
@@vnorm2907Yeah ..you right about Jay Z though Nobody felt him when this culture was still alive.Dude was wearing Hawaiian shirts and getting dissed everywhere
They Also Came With Their Own Money For Their OWN Record Label, Which Gave Them More Freedom To Say And Do What They Felt!!🤷🏾♂️
Lol no
Like I said NWA shares some of the blame, but I blame us fans also. There is a reason why Punks Jump Up was a more popular song than Wake Up. Thee is a reason why Criminal Minded was many people favorite BDP album. The times were changing and many of those negative songs resonated with the people Also, NWA was dope.
Recording artist aren't responsible for the conditions of black society, politicians and corporations are.
NWA gave a voice to that gang lifestyle but Hollywood kicked it off with the movie Colors.
Listening to the second NWA album now, man oh man
One of the greatest albums of all time
@@HARRIS2820yea but the negative of that second album
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xcyou call the Truth negative ?
F the Police was Real
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xcYall got a rapper named Beanie Sigel, every word that man rapped was negative man FOH😂😂. Eastcoast bias/hater
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xcOH you quiet now clown
Peace from BFLO NY to the whole world! 1) what's the meaning of the term Age Of Destruction? 2) what impact did the letter they received from the Govt play? 3) what role did Jerry Heller play? How many black children enrolled in college(percentage wise) before, after? 4) what about what Kool Moe Dee, KrayZie Bone, 9th Wonder stated in their interviews in regards to this subject? This subject is ONLY being discussed on the music side; when it's DEEPER than that.
Even Alonzo said after NWA/Colors, the gang population greatly increased in LA. DJ Quik records Just Lyke Compton, which is about how gangster rap transported gangster culture to big and small towns across the US.
Anybody disagreeing with Special Ed is just trying to be neutral, or they're just being disingenuous.
Lonzo steady cappin I'm from la and can say that's not true he been low-key hating on nwa for the longest and special ed is definitely wrong ,gang bangin was already gone be popular period cause that was the culture heck even cats from banging on wax was dissing cube and nwa
@@thelastdon9000
Smh…
So called gangsta rap from LA, colors, menace etc…all contributed to the bs we’re seeing state to state. And I’m from the streets of LA.
NWA never talked about bloods and crips on the records. They weren't "gang banging". They were just talking about street stuff and what was going on in the neighborhoods in general.
I remember him saying that about N.W.A. and how they music influenced the Gang culture
I respectfully disagree with special ED, because all throughout America in the 80’s and 90’s was crazy in a black neighborhoods. NWA gave the reality of the hood.
FACTS!!! This is why NY is losing in Rap with this bias/hating B.S.
@@genetallen7130no it ain’t,you clowns just won’t accept the reality of the situation,gangsta rap didn’t do nothing positive for our people
@@osiawideman4851 There was "Gangsta Blaxploitation" movies before there was gangsta rap clown!!! We been f#@ed up as a people fella!!!
@@genetallen7130 I don’t know where the f@*k you’re from,but we didn’t do that bullshit where I’m from,”fighting over colors “,that’s some retarded shit
Scarface and New Jack city had a bigger influence on me that any music ever did!! The small hats are just as much to blame as anyone.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx the point wasn’t missed but if whyte supremacy didn’t exist the gangsta music would have never existed.
And ice-T never glorified gangbanging. There were always consequences shown in his songs.
Ice T glorified sex trafficking aka pimping.Also selling Drugs.
NWA did not wear gang colors they wore black. I was 12 and had no understanding of red and blue Bloods or Crips. And NWA did not discuss game culture that I can recall and almost 95% of the album
NWA did not teach hip hop to gangbang at all by any stretch. Gangs and drug’s were going on from coast to coast way before NWA. Plus we never knew what gang NWA represented except for niggaz with attitude. Ren, Eazy E, Cube, Dre, and D.O.C never claimed a color or gang.
'SELF DESTRUCTION' IS THE GREATEST SONG IN HIP-HOP HISTORY .. THE 'POWERS THAT BE' USHERED IN THE GANGSTA RAP ERA SOON AFTER ..
The hip hop culture are never forgotten since the early 80's and the early 90's!!!!
"Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" All you need to know.
IMHO what is hurting the Black Community regarding Hip Hop is the same thing that is hurting us on every level and that is the lack of ownership and control of what we produce as well as our image. Our labor, creativity, intellectual property and the vast majority of anything we manufacture is for another group besides Black people. Since that is the case the White Owner gets to shape our image anyway they see fit and use the proceeds that are produced to our detriment. It's a vicious cycle.
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx You can count the number of Hip Hop Billionaires on one hand. I don't know where YOU are from but in America Black people under segregation had our own business Sector, Sports Leagues, Hospitals, Schools in short we had an economic base. Integration and the false belief that Whites would stop attacking us if we integrated led to our current condition. We basically destroyed our own economic base by following the leadership of Boule puppets off a cliff. Unity and Accountability just became our problem here since the 1970's we are unique from Black people from other places. Part of the problem is that we have allowed everyone to project upon us their failure and colonized mentality when they land in America. They separate their accomplishment under their national flag and their criminality, dysfunction and failure under the label "Black". We are putting an end to that. As you can see we are not perfect, we got bamboozled into Integration and fleeced but we are waking up. With our economic base restored we can reverse the destruction of the family that was done as a result and we can control our image. Our biggest problem is that we willingly participate in an anti Black system that cannot exist without our Willing participation economically and socially.
I think the movies like Colors and Boyz in the Hood, Menace was more influential of the spread of gangs than NWA. Then again crack was also the major player because west coast dudes started traveling down south and also help spread gang culture.
Schooly D started that gangsta shit in rap. Everyone else just picked up the ball and ran with it.
Schooley D is the GOD father of gangster rap 😎
@@roberts4587No he's not, so yall can stop lying.
@@roberts4587 Schooley D is not a gangster rapper, Ice T started gangster rap. Now you eastcoast clowns wanna claim yall started gangster rap now? 🤣🤣🤣 Goofy ass shit.
I'm surprised everyone is surprised. I assume this was common knowledge. I was on the east listening to digable planets, camp lo,
I disagree. Make no mistake. Kool G Rap is one of my TOP 5. Ice T is one of my Favs, and they were both before NWA
OK BUT WHO WAS/IS MORE FAMOUS ? STUPID ASS EVEN SCHOOLY D WAS FIRST BUT THE POINT IS THE IMPACT N THE REWARDS SHOW SMART GUY
@@primitiveminds …damn…Im triggered…
@@enlightenme4875 U WERE GIVING 2 EARS N EYES FOR A REASON
Others may have tried But NWA succeeded in poisoning the Black Community
👏👏
Ice T in my opinion is one of those rappers turned better Actor. We know him for his roles in sht like Trespass, New Jack City, and then SVU which was the icing. We respect the OG for his growth and acknowledge his music. I always said on the East gang banging wasn’t a thing especially in Philly. You had squads but ngas wasn’t all wearing one color and terrorizing innocent people smh It was about getting money and being fly. Fresh kicks, fresh cut. Looking good and feeling good while getting some bread. Going to be around women and showing off nice cars. That shift is coming back tho
True, but when you say terrorizing innocent people wasn't just a west coast thing it was all over the country, getting money and fly was all over, the industry pushed that agenda
*Eastside Low Bottoms sh*t !*
_Tappin' in from South Central LA_
There were so called "reality rappers" prior to NWA. The difference was the production of Dr. Dre ! He and Yella made it sonically pleasing - along with masterful rhymes by Cube and Ren. They were able to paint a vivid picture of inner city experiences with s*x, dr*gs, gangs and interactions with the kkkops that other inner city residents could identify with.
The Black Spades a gang in New York is one of the foundations of Hip Hop. East coast people sometimes be on BS
Zulu Nation was formed by them along with several other gangs. NY cats are biased as hell lol!
THANK YOU!!!!
The government didn't care what coast we were on they wanted to destroy all of our communities and we really have to elevate our thinking and have mature conversations.
Cool Herc was not a Black Spade.
Afrika Bambaataa started The Almighty Zulu Nation and they spread Hip Hop to Europe not the Black Spades.
Hip Hop became a thing in NYC because the Gangs had a truce they made.
I remember this. I have been a B Boy since the 1970's.
@@zxcccccc1Absolutely 💯
The answer is unequivocally YES
NWA is not responsible for it… they gave a depiction of their community… they never encouraged it… their music was revolutionary… only 2 of them were even in a gang… it’s not their fault if dumb people clung to the negativity… I never wanted to be in a gang… I thought that lifestyle was bad because of the picture they painted
Thank you! You expressed my thoughts better than I could. I think people were so scared of their explicit and graphic depictions of reality and their gratuitous use of profanity that the underlying message was lost. And then there was the media…
Quit pushing that "they were just giving depictions" lie cuz it ain't helping.
"Here's a little somethin' bout a nigga like me
Never shoulda been let out the penitentiary
Ice Cube would like ta say
That I'm a crazy mothafucka from around the way
Since I was a youth, I smoked weed out
Now I'm the mutha fucka that ya read about
Takin' a life or two that's what the hell I do
You don't like how I'm livin well fuck you
This is a gang, and I'm in it
My man Dre'll fuck you up in a minute
With a right left, right left you toothless
And then you say goddamn they ruthless!
Everywhere we go they say (damn)
N W A's fuckin' up tha program
And then you realize we don't care
We don't just say no, we to busy sayin' yeah!
About drinkin'' straight out the eight bottle
Do I look like a mutha fuckin role model?
To a kid lookin' up ta me
Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money
'Cause I'm tha type o' nigga that's built ta last
If ya fuck wit me I'll put a foot in ya ass
See I don't give a fuck 'cause I keep bailin'
Yo, what the fuck are they yellin''
Gangsta, Gangsta! That's what they're yellin'
It's not about a salary, it's all about reality"
Gangsta, Gangsta! That's what they're yellin'
"Hopin you sophisticated motherfuckers hear what I have to say""
I can keep going.
It was mostly teenagers and kids being influenced by that bullshit. The grown adults were telling us to turn that shit off.
I'm a fan of you both, Jamar and Rah. I felt Brand Nubians were unique as a group and Rah is so sexy ❤
NWA was used, but nobody forced them, NY focused on CONSCIOUS RAP, West Coast is KNOWN FOR GANGSTA RAP! ED SAID NOTHING WRONG, THEY JUST MAD THEY ARE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOW FINALLY
Ha haaaaaaaa
I said it too. I know for a fact the hype at the time was revolutionary with Public Enemy and Rakim. When i heard my Uncle playing EasyE I was literally covering my ears. I just been singing U.N.I.T.Y then heard n.w.a and Was like wow they are savages. And I didn't want any parts of that music.
While NWA did help contribute to the destruction, but they were not the only thing. Why didn’t Special Ee mention Kool G Rap? is there some east coast bus going on. Also, Special Ed mentioned Wu as positive, come on. Wu was closer to NWA than they were to the Native Tongues. Wu was NWA sprinkled with some Supreme Mathematics here ant there. One could argue Cube lyrics while in NWA offered balance.
11:08 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Lord Jamar.. thats EXACTLY what Specual Ed was saying.. nwa was rhe "starting point" for the,what THEY deemed,not the Hip Hop community, as "Gangster Rap".. 💯💯💯💯💯💯
We as youngsta never even knew what set most these rappers was in wasn't until the late 2000. Truthfully Boyz n hood taught us about gangs not rap. So he wrong.
There were no rapper claiming set in nwa unless they said it subliminal. Which young kids would caught. They actually other than easy was even in a true gang. Gangs been around since the 50. I say banging in little Rock taught me more about gangs than rap
Ice cube's death certificate was morev conscience that any album at the time and can never be done again because of the topics he was talking about
NWA was talking about what's going on in the streets Stop the B's
East coast always mad and making excuses.
Always, never fails! 💯
The influence and explosion of drugs was the catalyst for most that destructiveness. "My Summer Vacation" to "Belly" like cats moved around from up top to small towns selling dope (when it got hot OR to expand) the gangs and big willies was all doing the same thangs... with crews from the east (cause the wasn't banging as much) and the gangs from the East but they was banging so where they went they took that with them. So we basically looking at two sides of the same F'n coin!! Gangs ain't spread because of rap, they spread because they branched out and moved to different towns and cities to tap into unclaimed markets/areas.
Special ed got a valid point even though Nwa's beats were good and had highly skilled rappers like cube. Special ed revelations album very underrated.
Revelations is dope and one of my faves from that year, definitely underrated. I iked NWA as you said and Cube and Ren were highly skilled rappers, Cube left after an album or two and went off and did his thing and got more conscious after that (Political etc.).
@seancagney8897 Yea 95 was classic year in hip hop especially with only built 4 Cuban linx, infamous and Liquid swords releasing. Cube was better as a solo artist released some classics.
Maybe its true, but I do feel like we had a balance tho. Something for everybody. My bro introduced me to it but wasnt really a fan of the grimy stuff he liked. So there was queen la, lyte, kris kross, monnie, UMCs, Brand Nubian, Bahamadia, Digga, Kwame, Father MC etc I could listen to. If you didnt want the grimy street rap then there was other stuff to choose from. And all of it was available like a buffet. So NWA reached those that was into it and not everybody. But today, these kids have no option, no buffet. Majority is the same. They treat the talented ones like side dishes. You know its on the side but paying more attention to the mains. Therefore other diners wont know its there either until there is a reason to notice it, and thats what sad. Because the sides today are way better and healthier than the mains being presented to us.
NWA music was out aleast 4years locally before it became an album
N.w.a = Bought Saggin Pants to HipHop !! Facts !! ♻️
Unfortunately two things can be true!! While I agree wit Ed said but rah had a point too!! I feel like it was a reflection of what was going on in their hood, but at the same time the world fell in love wit west coast ganster,and that took over!!
more like an exaggeration and amplifier of PART of what was going on. It wasn't the whole picture nor a genuine reflection.
Church
Right. Ice Cube went to college and didn't dropout until they went on a countrywide tour.
Special Ed’s 2nd album “legal” is my favorite joint he did. Every track was 🔥1990 was a really dope year and shift in hip hop. 88 was the build up to the 90s.
These New York artist criticisms are based on jealousy. They all came out around the same time, but NWA was far more important to Rap than Brand Nubian or Special Ed.
Brand Nubian and Special Ed are pretty much forgotten, but NWA is in the Hall of Fame. There've been numerous documentaries made about NWA and even a Hollywood movie.
Its about the black community not New York or California. We talking about violence in the community. You talking about the Rock and Roll hall of fame and movies. You not taking this conversation seriously.
@spenser6353 Everything I've said is on point, now go sit yo behind down somewhere.
NWA wasn’t far more important, they had better promotion. When they first came out , NYC didn’t like them at all , but radio stations kept pushing their music hard . After a while NYC kinda gave up , got used to their music and said , 🤷♀️ f=ck it ! That’s when NY’ers started listening to NWA and if my memory serves me , them Texas dudes , the ghetto boys .
Back then , NY only liked NY hip hop music and maybe music from near by states ( the tri state area ).
They did not like hip hop from the south and out west . They used to think those places were too country and corny .
@arinic7 Your comment is irrelevant babble, everything has already been explained.
@arinic7 No it can't, d ummy.
I'm a middle-aged Haitian-American man from Flatbush, Brooklyn during the early 1970s. My fascination with gangsters and organized crime came from the hardened and mean streets of Brooklyn!
My family moved to the suburbs of the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles during the late 1970s to escape the madness of NYC.
I grew up in Los Angeles and I'm still a huge fan of cats like ICE-T, EAZY E, DOC, ICE CUBE, SNOOP DOGG, and NWA! Those cats didn't glorify the life of a criminal, they spoke about the reality and negativity of being in that life!
Of course, a lot of the criminality is ALL-AMERICAN, and this country has been obsessed with gangsterism since Hollywood began making these films in the 1930s starting with the original SCARFACE.
I'm an organized crime historian and I have a fascination with gangsters, NOT ADMIRATION!
Listening to NWA never made me want to live in the projects or commit crimes, it made me want to stay away from it! I think that NWA was good for hip-hop intellectuals! The music was funky as fuck, and enjoyable to listen to!
It was a social perspective and commentary on ghetto life on the streets of Los Angeles during a very dangerous and difficult time!
During NWA prime time, West Coast was off the chain with Drive by killings, as a New Yorker I couldn't understand that mindset.. IMO Yes NWA was the Beginning of the End of Hip Hop!
You couldn't understand New Yorkers terms of Glass on the pavement?!?!
Are you upset we didn't have razors in our mouth and carry switch blades?
I have ALL of NWAs albums and they never talked about gang bangin'.....violence, yes, but never gang bangin"
Ed ain't lying. He speaks the truth!
"Black on black crime was way before our time." - M.C. Delite
Much of the inner city violence began with the 1970s and 1980s drug influx. Ganster Hip Hop may help perpetuate gang violence, but I think it would still exist without the influence of rap. I believe poverty is the primary catalyst otherwise the middle-class areas who also bought the music would be doing the same thing
@@JaiAnthony-zg5cx I get the point and I have no reason to deflect. I'm stating my opinion. I'm not saying there is no correlation, that the music has no negative influence in the continuation of that situation, but I think the influence is not as strong as generally believed and it's being used as a scapegoat. Much of the gang activity stemmed from the drug game, as drugs spread across the nation, violence and crew and gang activity followed. This happened in the 1970s and 1980s before NWA was introduced, in spite of all the positive music we had (Roy Ayers, The Isley Brothers, Earth Wind & Fire, Motown, etc.). Gangs and violence continued to spread after that following the path of the drug trade. The chicken comes before the egg. Gangster rap is a product of the street game, not the other way around. Many rappers rap about it because that's what they lived or because that's what sells records, i.e. that is what we choose to spend our money on, more so than the positive music (Brand Nubian, Gangstarr, Jeru the Damaja, Intelligent Hoodlum, Public Enemy). The negative music doesn't help the situation, but it's not as much to blame for keeping people in that situation as people believe. I agree to disagree
😂 Y'all juss mad...Brand Nubian and Flipmode Squad were never as influential as NWA.
NWA Was Dope...
Greatest rap group of all time
amd crack kills. thank you for coming to my tedx talk
@@kreativeforce532the same crack Jay-Z was selling and Nas. Wasn't they doing math calculations about how they were moving Cocaine?
Lord Jamar can speak on this topic officially because Brand Nubian stood on business with their lyrics about Unity and empowerment etc..they never switched up 💯👌🏾
I agree 100% with Special Ed. Yes, Ice T did gangster rap prior to NWA but the difference was that Ice T's raps told a story that had a moral at the end. Whilst NWA were speaking about a way of life that they were living and their raps never spoke against the detriment of the environment and lifestyle, instead they normalised it to mainstream and it then became a way of life that the younger generation went on to emulate. Even though it is a lifestyle which is destructive to all who engage in that life. Having grown up in that era rappers from the East coast rappers rapped about education, positivity and fun which was uplifting and encouraged aim higher and created a strong sense of pride in who we are as a people.
Sadly, 30 years on from the introduction of gangsta rap it is now common place for a large section of the black community to refer to each other using the N word. What is worse is that parents and grandparents have normalised referring to their own children and grandchildren as the N word. If hip hop had remained in it's original form in my opinion this generation would be in a better place than we are today.
Ed was right. I’m from the west coast. I remember when it hit & I remember wondering who is behind this? The people didn’t chose NWA… Jerry Heller did. That whole interscope team was about exploitation and then it somehow became mandatory to focus on these subjects for record labels
Correct me if I'm wrong...
First time I heard about guns is KRS 1
"My 9 millimeter goes bang"
These record companies will glamorize the negative for profit. No matter how it effects our community.
They were the first rap group to start saying then-word, b-word and h-word over and over and over. They were lucky the music sounded good tho, because the lyrics were straight from the streets.
When Ice Cube went solo and Easy E had dinner with Ronald Reagan, NWA took the poison on overdrive.
Y'all have forgotten the fact that violence has started long before Hip Hop. We all know that Hip Hop started in the East, and I'm pretty sure that all artist from that region would not want nobody "Biting their shit". But when different regions came up with their own style, why hate? They are telling a story.
Exactly you had gangs in 70s before hip hop existed. Look at warrior the movie. That was in the 70s and ther playing rock music in the movie.
There’s a certain timing of NWA with the expansion of the crips and bloods however NWA never promoted crips or bloods. Ice cube just story told what was going on never self promoted NWA AS crips and bloods. It’s just that Dr. Dre had hot production then record companies started to use NWA as a template.
I don't think the music was social engineering. But it did have a negative impact on the youth. I loved NWA, they were the first group that got me into rap. I also loved conscious music. I never stopped buying conscious music even after it stopped getting radio play.
the other gangster street rappers existed but the production quality the crisp sound and the hard lyrics spoke to our sub conscious
West coast fcked up hip hop on many different levels
Have you guys really listen to NWA first album? It was hip hop af. NWA was great for hip hop. Without them..Hip hop would be stagnant. Look at all classic records that we love on the east coast. Biggie, Jay Z, Wu Tang, the Lox, DMX,etc. They all talked street shit as well. They were NWA influenced as well. They said the same thang...so they hip hop and NWA is not? Special Ed had a point but he said that with coastal bias. Wu and NWA said the same thing in their music. And I love them all. Let's be fair!
I believe what Ed failed to say was “they were the group that catapulted to a certain level” and therefore were the beginning. There were others but those artist didn’t come close to the level of NWA. If anything he should have said Ice T.