I'm driving a Veloce since May and so far I really like it. Yes, it's not a sportscar and doesn't have huge performance numbers. But it still corners a lot better than a lot of its rivals, looks really, really nice in my eyes and has a good size for a small family. Btw, the Hornet is based on the Alfa and not the other way around. The Tonale is already available for quite some time here in Europe.
It's a shame that Stellantis screwed Alfa by giving the Tonale to Dodge in the 11th hour. Hard to justify the $$$$ when the Hornet is essentially the same car (I get the PHEV difference).
I can't believe they sell the car with "all season" tires. Here in sweden they are like "no season" tires. They suck any time of the year on a car that should be fun to drive. Btw, I'm on my 5th alfa romeo. The first 3 was FWD and they were all lovely cars.
This vehicle to me, is a total blasphemes. Essentially, it's the marketing guys in Stupidllantis thinking they could sell a Dodge for $20k more by wrapping it with the Alfa brand. Do they seriously think there will be enough people to fall for that trick in the US? Maybe Alfa can increase their sales, through Tonale, in other markets, but in the US? I can't wait to see how the US market punishes Alfa for this stunt.
The hornet is actually an Alfa with a Dodge badge. Do you consider the American market to be smarter or more critical than other markets? Because it seems like Dodge is struggling to find something that clicks domestically, and Alfa is being used to sell dodges . I agree it won't work, but it's not because alfas are inherently worse than Dodge.
@@nrthsound "but it's not because alfas are inherently worse than Dodge".... Alfa should be unequivocally better than Dodge, given Alfa's heritage and price point. But it's not; everyone can see through the half-baked effort. On the other hand, Alfa's in this precarious runt position... For a brand that only sells barely more than 10,000 vehicles in 2023 in the US, Alfa is not in the position to ask for anything... It's a vicious circle. And it's dangerous to purchase a token product from a huge conglomerate because you know they will pull the plug and leave you hang out dry without blinking an eye. I love Alfa. I love Alfa very much, but it's a dead brand. It's over.
I was chugging along with you dog but at 11:25 you did it....I knew it was too good to be true. You fell into the clueless mindless clutter of "perceived reliability" ....Dog, have you ever owned a BMW, Audi, Porsche, or Merc ? Talk about "uber unreliability dog" ? FORZA ALFA BABY !!!! THE KING IS BACK !!!! Time for MATH CLASS Porsche + Audi = GLORIFIED VW Alfa = FERRARI This is the TRUE LEGACY THAT CANNOT BE DENIED DOG !!!
I have a Guilia QV. One of its best features beyond being a superbly manic sports machine is in N and A mode it drives so smoothly and refined. It’s relaxing. I’ve been watching the Tonale as a possible replacement for my Prius one day… and Alfas chief executive has said for the last few years their target of driving refinement is Lexus… so good on them. I hope this car finds some buyers!
I have a Stelvio QV, and recently bought the Tonale for my wife. I've got a decent amount of seat time in it now and can say that the worst part of the car is my constant comparison against my QV, because had I not come from owning 2 Stelvio's, a Ti and now a Quad, I would absolutely love the Tonale. But it is difficult to get out of the QV and drive anything, much less something that has such a familiar feel, yet is so much less. For myself, the Tonale is what I consider a Minimum Viable Vehicle to enjoyably drive after I get out of my QV, but that's not because the Tonale isn't a solid vehicle in it's own right, it's because the QV is so f'n good it makes almost everything else seem bad. If you're considering a Tonale, you won't be disappointed, it legitimately does drive well and is a nice place to spend some miles, but don't expect the same feeling of magic that the QV gives you, in that comparison it will let you down. Compared to everything else, the Tonale is a solid option to consider!
Haha same boat. Have the Giulia QV and a Volt. Once I drove the Tonale as a lonaer I got obsessed to replace my Volt with it. But too expensive for now so hopefully one day. Personally I was never a brand loyal guy and I like to have ownership experience with different brands. But somehow I ended up wanting 2 Alfas for enthusiast fun and daily efficiency with style.
I have had my Verde Veloce for about 6 weeks now. The word you were looking for to describe the electric mode is sublime. It really is that. I have added very little gas to mine, but have been averaging about 60 to 70 mpg depending on how much I can use the electric. If you run it is "D" mode, it will use electric most of the time unless you call for hard acceleration or the battery reserve is gone. A funny quirk with all of these hybrids is better range in city type driving. I knew it wasn't a sports car when I bought it, but I would consider it a GT. For an everyday driver, it is really nice and it is a car you look back at when you walk away. How many cars these days can you say that about?
Honestly, This is a low quality vehicle. I leased it two months ago (July 1, 2024) and I am contacting my dealer, as well as Alfa Customer Service, to negotiate a different car. I had a Guilia previously and the quality was soooo much better.
It can step out a bit on exit (see Petrol Ped's and StefAbTV's 2nd take review collab) but you might have to switch off the electronic nannies (hold the DNA selector locked to the right until the top LED turns red).
Alfa's been making FWD cars for around 30-ish years, it's just that you got none of them, but it always made sure to make them shine. The 1997 Alfa Romeo 156 is especially well-known, as the way the rear suspension is set up through a custom multi-link system, the rear wheels do some of the steering work when going around corners. Alfa has been sharing platforms ever since it became a private company under Fiat's control, too - the 155, 145, 146, 156, 166, 147, GT, Giulietta 940 and 916 Spider were all built on variations of Fiat platforms, the 159 and Brera were built on a platform meant to be shared with a few GM brands like Opel, Saab and Buick, the MiTo also shares its platform with a few Fiat, Opel and Jeep cars (the Tonale is, in fact, built on an evolution of the MiTo's platform), and the 8C shares its platform and engine (though with notable alterations) with the Maserati GranTurismo and Quattroporte V.
I'm driving a Veloce since May and so far I really like it. Yes, it's not a sportscar and doesn't have huge performance numbers. But it still corners a lot better than a lot of its rivals, looks really, really nice in my eyes and has a good size for a small family. Btw, the Hornet is based on the Alfa and not the other way around. The Tonale is already available for quite some time here in Europe.
It's a shame that Stellantis screwed Alfa by giving the Tonale to Dodge in the 11th hour. Hard to justify the $$$$ when the Hornet is essentially the same car (I get the PHEV difference).
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I can't believe they sell the car with "all season" tires. Here in sweden they are like "no season" tires. They suck any time of the year on a car that should be fun to drive. Btw, I'm on my 5th alfa romeo. The first 3 was FWD and they were all lovely cars.
We got our Tonale today and have not figured out how to get heated air to come out of the rear seat air vents. Anyone have an idea?
This vehicle to me, is a total blasphemes. Essentially, it's the marketing guys in Stupidllantis thinking they could sell a Dodge for $20k more by wrapping it with the Alfa brand. Do they seriously think there will be enough people to fall for that trick in the US? Maybe Alfa can increase their sales, through Tonale, in other markets, but in the US? I can't wait to see how the US market punishes Alfa for this stunt.
The hornet is actually an Alfa with a Dodge badge. Do you consider the American market to be smarter or more critical than other markets? Because it seems like Dodge is struggling to find something that clicks domestically, and Alfa is being used to sell dodges . I agree it won't work, but it's not because alfas are inherently worse than Dodge.
@@nrthsound
"but it's not because alfas are inherently worse than Dodge".... Alfa should be unequivocally better than Dodge, given Alfa's heritage and price point. But it's not; everyone can see through the half-baked effort. On the other hand, Alfa's in this precarious runt position... For a brand that only sells barely more than 10,000 vehicles in 2023 in the US, Alfa is not in the position to ask for anything... It's a vicious circle. And it's dangerous to purchase a token product from a huge conglomerate because you know they will pull the plug and leave you hang out dry without blinking an eye.
I love Alfa. I love Alfa very much, but it's a dead brand. It's over.
@@stefanx5470you should see the absolutely glowing reviews of the Junior before you count Alfa out
I was chugging along with you dog but at 11:25 you did it....I knew it was too good to be true. You fell into the clueless mindless clutter of "perceived reliability" ....Dog, have you ever owned a BMW, Audi, Porsche, or Merc ? Talk about "uber unreliability dog" ?
FORZA ALFA BABY !!!!
THE KING IS BACK !!!!
Time for MATH CLASS
Porsche + Audi = GLORIFIED VW
Alfa = FERRARI
This is the TRUE LEGACY THAT CANNOT BE DENIED DOG !!!
I have a Guilia QV. One of its best features beyond being a superbly manic sports machine is in N and A mode it drives so smoothly and refined. It’s relaxing.
I’ve been watching the Tonale as a possible replacement for my Prius one day… and Alfas chief executive has said for the last few years their target of driving refinement is Lexus… so good on them. I hope this car finds some buyers!
It’s a solid car, if the Tonale flips it won’t be because it’s a bad car
I have a Stelvio QV, and recently bought the Tonale for my wife. I've got a decent amount of seat time in it now and can say that the worst part of the car is my constant comparison against my QV, because had I not come from owning 2 Stelvio's, a Ti and now a Quad, I would absolutely love the Tonale. But it is difficult to get out of the QV and drive anything, much less something that has such a familiar feel, yet is so much less. For myself, the Tonale is what I consider a Minimum Viable Vehicle to enjoyably drive after I get out of my QV, but that's not because the Tonale isn't a solid vehicle in it's own right, it's because the QV is so f'n good it makes almost everything else seem bad.
If you're considering a Tonale, you won't be disappointed, it legitimately does drive well and is a nice place to spend some miles, but don't expect the same feeling of magic that the QV gives you, in that comparison it will let you down. Compared to everything else, the Tonale is a solid option to consider!
Haha same boat. Have the Giulia QV and a Volt. Once I drove the Tonale as a lonaer I got obsessed to replace my Volt with it. But too expensive for now so hopefully one day. Personally I was never a brand loyal guy and I like to have ownership experience with different brands. But somehow I ended up wanting 2 Alfas for enthusiast fun and daily efficiency with style.
I have had my Verde Veloce for about 6 weeks now. The word you were looking for to describe the electric mode is sublime. It really is that. I have added very little gas to mine, but have been averaging about 60 to 70 mpg depending on how much I can use the electric. If you run it is "D" mode, it will use electric most of the time unless you call for hard acceleration or the battery reserve is gone. A funny quirk with all of these hybrids is better range in city type driving. I knew it wasn't a sports car when I bought it, but I would consider it a GT. For an everyday driver, it is really nice and it is a car you look back at when you walk away. How many cars these days can you say that about?
Honestly, This is a low quality vehicle. I leased it two months ago (July 1, 2024) and I am contacting my dealer, as well as Alfa Customer Service, to negotiate a different car. I had a Guilia previously and the quality was soooo much better.
It can step out a bit on exit (see Petrol Ped's and StefAbTV's 2nd take review collab) but you might have to switch off the electronic nannies (hold the DNA selector locked to the right until the top LED turns red).
Alfa's been making FWD cars for around 30-ish years, it's just that you got none of them, but it always made sure to make them shine. The 1997 Alfa Romeo 156 is especially well-known, as the way the rear suspension is set up through a custom multi-link system, the rear wheels do some of the steering work when going around corners.
Alfa has been sharing platforms ever since it became a private company under Fiat's control, too - the 155, 145, 146, 156, 166, 147, GT, Giulietta 940 and 916 Spider were all built on variations of Fiat platforms, the 159 and Brera were built on a platform meant to be shared with a few GM brands like Opel, Saab and Buick, the MiTo also shares its platform with a few Fiat, Opel and Jeep cars (the Tonale is, in fact, built on an evolution of the MiTo's platform), and the 8C shares its platform and engine (though with notable alterations) with the Maserati GranTurismo and Quattroporte V.
Have had my PHEV Tonale for 3 weeks am loving it , I know its a bit pricy but been so impressed.
nice, enjoy!
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