He will always be the GOAT no matter what others say, more slams doesnt mean the best to have played this game but Roger is the best to have played this game.
Henman's style was exciting and beautiful, and sometimes very effective, but just didn't have the consistency and solidity of ground strokes to win a slam,
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee i agree with that completely. Henman had incredible hand-eye coordination, all-round touch, athleticism and he was so good at reading opponents and using the whole court to gain advantage. Very smart player and excellent volleys. It's just that it's difficult to play that cute game, relying exclusively on precision, when you are under pressure. With a big first serve, I think Henman wins Wimbledon at least three times.
Mentally tough. Not an artist. A meat-and-potatoes player. Similar to Pat Rafter but without Rafters speed and athleticism. Got the most out of his limited abilities. He had no weapons, he was not very athletic. He rarely beat himself but lost when he should: against more gifted players. Would be a good coach
Which says a lot. Becker beat Henman twice in the late 90s despite Boris being well past his prime and peak. Henman was a perfunctory serve and volleyer at best-essentially a journeyman. And his rather average serve and volley game still gave Fed problems. A prime and peaked Becker - a true master of the art of serve and volley-(along with Edberg,McEnroe and Sampras) would have taken Fed to the cleaners.
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee Respectfully acknowledge your opinion. I had to double check the records - I do see that Henman had a good 2004 reaching the semis of the French,Wimby and the US Open. But that would be the only time he would fare well consistently across the majority of the surfaces in one season. Every other year he failed to make a dent on any of the other slams outside Wimby. And specifically with regards to Wimby, I would argue that he had an extra helping hand from the explicitly partisan crowd , who at times would be rather unsporting towards Tim's opponents, many of which were not of the calibre of Becker,Edberg,Mac or Sampras.......to withstand the distractions(clapping during double faults, shouting support during important points ect ect). Goto 3:05:53 of the following video: ua-cam.com/video/8W7d2J61xz4/v-deo.html It's the match between Haarhuis and Henman at Wimby in 1997.......where the fans cheered Paul's double fault on match point! As for his volleying skills, I stand by my initial remark - they are not bad but ultimately they are still perfunctory - definitly not of the standard of the 4 aforementioned players who dominated Wimby for the best part of 2 decades. Here is Tim getting schooled by Edberg in 1996, literally Stefan's swansong......and despite being well past his prime and peak.....you can see a clear delineation in Edberg's volleying techniques with respect to Henman. ua-cam.com/video/8HV6ANe4TAY/v-deo.html
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee Yeah I think I definitely agree on there being a distinction between Edberg and Mac......and then Sampras and Becker.....when it came to volleying prowess. Of course we are ultimately splitting hairs because all of them were exceptional in this department. Becker had a slight stoccatto or step and volley approach(same too with Sampras)......wheras Edberg had a more fluid gesture as he neared the net. But whether it be Edberg,Becker or Sampras, it's that kind of volleying quality that has been sorely missing from the last 20 years of top flight tennis. Maybe I am being a bit harsh on poor ol' Tim, but I take your point, he certainly had competent skills at the net......and certainly better than Murray. Turns out they(Andy and Tim) did meet a few times......and Henman actually beat him on the one occasion. Again, it's a bit difficult to compare given the fact that Henman was nearing the end of his career , whilst Murray was in the ascent with respect to his..........in a not dissimilar way to the old Edberg outsmarting the young Henman, 10 years prior. ua-cam.com/video/stvBjYTsfrw/v-deo.html I'll give Tim credit.....as he was still trying to serve and volley where he could against these baselining behemoths.......but he was a little too long in the tooth by that point....... in 2005. LOL Murray won the last point with a volley!
@@birdoffire983 Pre-prime Federer literally defeated Sampras in his garden. And by 2004 he basically owned Henman who was having his best season on tour. 2006 or 2017 federer would've downed Becker everwhere except maybe on 90s carpet courts (primarily due to the fact that fed didn't play a lot on those).
@@魚-c3d You forgot to mention that Sampras was post prime and peak , in that match from 2001. Federer was in his prime but not at his peak in 2001. At the corresponding age(19), Sampras was already a Grand Slam champ(the 1990 US Open)....and that was in a much tougher era(the late 80s/early 90s). Fed was struggling with 3rd rate talents like Hewitt,Roddick and Safin in the early 2000s. Jeez, even a severly faded Sampras still beat those 3 guys in the 2000/01/02 seasons at various points. Christ, even a 31 year old dilapidated Becker, beat a young Hewitt at Wimby in 1999. What do you think an 18 year old firing on all cylinders Becker(already a 2 time slam champ by that age) would have done to a retrograde player like Hewiit? Edberg, long since past his best in 1995...still took out Philipoussis in the Ozzie......that same Philipoussis who would be Fed's first victim at Wimby in 2003. Fed had it easy and he knows it. The fact that you pulled out a player like Henman as a serious competitor to Fed proves the point.......even Edberg in his farewell tour in 1996, put Tim to the sword at the US Open. Fed was great player in a poor era. Sampras,Edberg and Becker had Agassi,Mac,Lendl,Wilander and even a fading Connors as opponents. Fed had shit like Hewit,Roddick and Safin to contend with. Sampras pressured Fed from the net in that one match in 2001, than SafinHewiit,Roddick, Rafa and Nole' combined....lol!
Henman’s hand skills were amazing
Just passing through on my journey to watch every Federer match.
I’m doing the same with Sampras then I’ll start on Federer. I have seen most of Federer a live though. Samprasisgoat
@@RomanBritianUK Very cool man, Hopefully you can find as much footage as you can, good luck with it all.
8:28 23 years old and having only 3 slams but they already put him in the GOAT debate.
This is my GOAT of course ❤
He will always be the GOAT no matter what others say, more slams doesnt mean the best to have played this game but Roger is the best to have played this game.
8:35 Already talking about Federer's goat status having only 3 slams.
Great match from Federer!
Henman's style was exciting and beautiful, and sometimes very effective, but just didn't have the consistency and solidity of ground strokes to win a slam,
2004 was Henman's best ever year, one thing he lacked throughout his career was a killer instinct when it counted
@@allthekingshorses7178 Almost everyone respected his serve and Volley ability and he was a great competitor you know.
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee i agree with that completely. Henman had incredible hand-eye coordination, all-round touch, athleticism and he was so good at reading opponents and using the whole court to gain advantage. Very smart player and excellent volleys. It's just that it's difficult to play that cute game, relying exclusively on precision, when you are under pressure. With a big first serve, I think Henman wins Wimbledon at least three times.
Mentally tough. Not an artist. A meat-and-potatoes player. Similar to Pat Rafter but without Rafters speed and athleticism. Got the most out of his limited abilities. He had no weapons, he was not very athletic. He rarely beat himself but lost when he should: against more gifted players. Would be a good coach
His mental strength was poor. He never improved his upper body physique like Murray did.
Great effort by Henman pity he couldn't get to a final of a grand slam at least once.
Roger Federer found Tim Henmann a tough but to track back in the early 2000s.
Which says a lot.
Becker beat Henman twice in the late 90s despite Boris being well past his prime and peak.
Henman was a perfunctory serve and volleyer at best-essentially a journeyman.
And his rather average serve and volley game still gave Fed problems.
A prime and peaked Becker - a true master of the art of serve and volley-(along with Edberg,McEnroe and Sampras) would have taken Fed to the cleaners.
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee
Respectfully acknowledge your opinion.
I had to double check the records - I do see that Henman had a good 2004 reaching the semis of the French,Wimby and the US Open.
But that would be the only time he would fare well consistently across the majority of the surfaces in one season.
Every other year he failed to make a dent on any of the other slams outside Wimby.
And specifically with regards to Wimby, I would argue that he had an extra helping hand from the explicitly partisan crowd , who at times would be rather unsporting towards Tim's opponents, many of which were not of the calibre of Becker,Edberg,Mac or Sampras.......to withstand the distractions(clapping during double faults, shouting support during important points ect ect).
Goto 3:05:53 of the following video:
ua-cam.com/video/8W7d2J61xz4/v-deo.html
It's the match between Haarhuis and Henman at Wimby in 1997.......where the fans cheered Paul's double fault on match point!
As for his volleying skills, I stand by my initial remark - they are not bad but ultimately they are still perfunctory - definitly not of the standard of the 4 aforementioned players who dominated Wimby for the best part of 2 decades.
Here is Tim getting schooled by Edberg in 1996, literally Stefan's swansong......and despite being well past his prime and peak.....you can see a clear delineation in Edberg's volleying techniques with respect to Henman.
ua-cam.com/video/8HV6ANe4TAY/v-deo.html
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee
Yeah I think I definitely agree on there being a distinction between Edberg and Mac......and then Sampras and Becker.....when it came to volleying prowess.
Of course we are ultimately splitting hairs because all of them were exceptional in this department.
Becker had a slight stoccatto or step and volley approach(same too with Sampras)......wheras Edberg had a more fluid gesture as he neared the net.
But whether it be Edberg,Becker or Sampras, it's that kind of volleying quality that has been sorely missing from the last 20 years of top flight tennis.
Maybe I am being a bit harsh on poor ol' Tim, but I take your point, he certainly had competent skills at the net......and certainly better than Murray.
Turns out they(Andy and Tim) did meet a few times......and Henman actually beat him on the one occasion.
Again, it's a bit difficult to compare given the fact that Henman was nearing the end of his career , whilst Murray was in the ascent with respect to his..........in a not dissimilar way to the old Edberg outsmarting the young Henman, 10 years prior.
ua-cam.com/video/stvBjYTsfrw/v-deo.html
I'll give Tim credit.....as he was still trying to serve and volley where he could against these baselining behemoths.......but he was a little too long in the tooth by that point....... in 2005.
LOL
Murray won the last point with a volley!
@@birdoffire983 Pre-prime Federer literally defeated Sampras in his garden. And by 2004 he basically owned Henman who was having his best season on tour. 2006 or 2017 federer would've downed Becker everwhere except maybe on 90s carpet courts (primarily due to the fact that fed didn't play a lot on those).
@@魚-c3d
You forgot to mention that Sampras was post prime and peak , in that match from 2001.
Federer was in his prime but not at his peak in 2001.
At the corresponding age(19), Sampras was already a Grand Slam champ(the 1990 US Open)....and that was in a much tougher era(the late 80s/early 90s).
Fed was struggling with 3rd rate talents like Hewitt,Roddick and Safin in the early 2000s.
Jeez, even a severly faded Sampras still beat those 3 guys in the 2000/01/02 seasons at various points.
Christ, even a 31 year old dilapidated Becker, beat a young Hewitt at Wimby in 1999.
What do you think an 18 year old firing on all cylinders Becker(already a 2 time slam champ by that age) would have done to a retrograde player like Hewiit?
Edberg, long since past his best in 1995...still took out Philipoussis in the Ozzie......that same Philipoussis who would be Fed's first victim at Wimby in 2003.
Fed had it easy and he knows it.
The fact that you pulled out a player like Henman as a serious competitor to Fed proves the point.......even Edberg in his farewell tour in 1996, put Tim to the sword at the US Open.
Fed was great player in a poor era.
Sampras,Edberg and Becker had Agassi,Mac,Lendl,Wilander and even a fading Connors as opponents.
Fed had shit like Hewit,Roddick and Safin to contend with.
Sampras pressured Fed from the net in that one match in 2001, than SafinHewiit,Roddick, Rafa and Nole' combined....lol!