Xaoc devices Batumi II & Poti II - A classic LFO remastered

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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @MonotrailTechTalk
    @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +3

    Check out Tom Churchills channel! - www.youtube.com/@TomChurchill
    Affiliate links:
    Perfect Circuit - US - bit.ly/3Yn0Gll
    Sound of You - EU bit.ly/3DzdFYi
    Clockface - AS - bit.ly/3YkDJ1B

  • @TomChurchill
    @TomChurchill Рік тому +9

    Awesome work as always! And thanks for the shout-out - my video is coming on nicely and should be ready next week 😉

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Thank you Tom! Happy to shout-out your channel, and good luck with the vid. Looking forward :)

  • @tracyharms3548
    @tracyharms3548 Рік тому +1

    Lovely examples and admirably comprehensive feature walkthrough. The best parts were the sections that remind me what I can do with my original Batumi. That calms my urges to sell it to upgrade to the new version.

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Hey, glad to hear it! Both are great modules indeed, no need to upgrade and change everything that's possible, that's an endless road :)

  • @CRedfearn1983
    @CRedfearn1983 Рік тому +1

    I appreciate the block diagrams, thanks

  • @raktNewsletter
    @raktNewsletter Рік тому +2

    The drum at 16:25 is just insane! Feels like a real jazz drummer playing.

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Yeah! Such a simple trick, but it does great voltage controlled clock div/mult duties :)

    • @raktNewsletter
      @raktNewsletter Рік тому

      @@MonotrailTechTalk If you had a simple oscillator, how would you duplicate its sine wave and shift the phase of each copy as perfectly without Batumi? Is a simple Doepfer A-125 doesn't seem enough?
      I'm also wondering how one could recreate something like the Three Body and its phasing feature.

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Interesting thing about Batumi is that all 4 LFO's stay in sync. I'd have to read up on the functionality of the A125, and whether it shifts a phase based on time, or relative to the frequency of the incoming waveform :) You would only need one 90 degree shifted version. Then you can copy and invert the shifted and original to create the 180 and 270 shifted version.

    • @raktNewsletter
      @raktNewsletter Рік тому

      @@MonotrailTechTalk Interesting thoughts.

    • @tihinter
      @tihinter Рік тому +1

      Could you please show more detail of that drum patch, please? Are those your own samples? Which module did you use for playing those? Did you also modulate parameters on that sampler?

  • @DasDoktorchen
    @DasDoktorchen Рік тому

    Really nice update. Didn't check it out yet. Thank's for the video.

  • @camphabenero
    @camphabenero 2 дні тому

    I realized today that when I read XAOC manuals I hear the words in your voice 😂

  • @orphic-trench
    @orphic-trench 9 місяців тому

    Just got myself a Batumi I with the Poti expander. I remember I was turned away from this module at the beginning because it was too much for me to understand as a beginner. I think I'm ready now! It was either the Batumi or the ochd; decided to go with the Batumi because of the extra flexibility/complexity. So long and thanks for all the patches!

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  9 місяців тому +1

      Nice! If you are getting interested in this I am pretty convinced you will enjoy it! Even if it takes a a bit to grasp all of it, that will only mean it will grow with you and you will discover more uses for it along the way. It's absolutely a great module!

  • @NEVERSLEEPmovies
    @NEVERSLEEPmovies Рік тому +1

    This last patch with the multiple devided audio rate is just WOW ❤

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому

      Thanks! That one was fun to make, and think I have to re-use that semi random melody for suer :)

  • @temporoboto
    @temporoboto Рік тому

    💙

  • @RollrightKnights
    @RollrightKnights Рік тому

    I only just bought the MKI versions of both of these! 😞

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      There's always new modules going to come out every day :) Just new options, updates, or alternatives. Both modules you got are great, and you probably got them for good reason! Enjoy :)

  • @lee_at_sea
    @lee_at_sea Рік тому

    Does it retain state when powered off?
    Does it power up doing exactly what it did when powered down that is?

  • @MrJemabaris
    @MrJemabaris Рік тому +1

    Nice module for sure but for the price of a Batumi + Poti you can almost get a Kermit mkiii which is probably the most versatile LFO/modulation source/ wavetable oscillator in all of Eurorack world in just 12hp. Only two advantages Batumi has over Kermit is more hands on control and multiple waveform outputs per channel at the same time.
    I gotta give it to XAOC though; releasing a Batumi mkii is probably the best move they could've made after being a Behringer clone-victim.

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +2

      Think it was the right move indeed, just make it better :) I also really enjoy the smooth random output, think that ads a lot, but I'm very biased towards smooth random voltages :) In any case, have to admit I don't have much xp with the Kermit, will have a closer look, for some reason always thought it was a dual module!

    • @MrJemabaris
      @MrJemabaris Рік тому

      You should really check it out some time then. It's a modulation powerhouse and has great internal X-mod which is assigned kinda like with the new DSI synths. Press the button of your desired X-mod source, wiggle the pot of your destination by how much you want it to be modulated and that's it. It also has very versatile external CV control per channel including input attenuverters and output attenuators per channel and even presets and preset morphing. @@MonotrailTechTalk

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! Will have a look :)

    • @tinytuco
      @tinytuco Рік тому +1

      Kermit is horribly menu divey, plus there are loads of combination keypresses, and some really small fonts on that screen. Batumi is much more immediate.

    • @MrJemabaris
      @MrJemabaris Рік тому

      @@tinytuco horribly menu divey I don't second. Shortcut combinations on the hand absolutely though, that's why I mentioned it as a plus for batumi. I also felt a bit torn about the handling of Kermit in the beginning but it really just takes a short while and once you understand the logic behind the combination key presses everything is achievable fast and reliable. There is always going to be the tradeoff between depth and functionality and immediacy and handling.

  • @soundwithoutsoundbutwithso7884
    @soundwithoutsoundbutwithso7884 3 місяці тому

    It's like a Vermona Fourmulator in 10hp.

  • @ozzy3ml
    @ozzy3ml Рік тому

    So the official name is Batumi Mk2? Seems your affiliate link (soundofeu) still only has the Mk1

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Hi there! Think it just started shipping, might take a sec before it's available everywhere :)

  • @plutostube
    @plutostube Рік тому

    minute one on this video similar with your video on 30 seconds, what patch did yoo used? what oscillator filter and modulator? ua-cam.com/video/8EyOmJHeQDU/v-deo.html

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      Hi there! The oscillator at 30sec is Batumi II ;) The module can be used as oscillator because it tracks 1v/oct well into audio rates. One LFO is used as square wave osc with pulse width. And one LFO is used as noise source. The patch is explained in detail in the video at 8:13
      Edit: Filter is Zagzreb, in screen on the left.

    • @plutostube
      @plutostube Рік тому

      thank you so much for your detailed answer, I need to sell my v1 one :)@@MonotrailTechTalk

  • @naisammon4986
    @naisammon4986 2 місяці тому

    Gotta love Xaoc(“Working Class Electronics”!-that’s like calling a Tesla a “Working Class Car”), I picked up the Batumi and Poti, paid out the nose, a month and a half later the “New” and “Improved” Batumi comes out. Lesson being-Just buy the cheap knockoff!! No..seriously..if you’re reading this-buy the knockoff, these modules are WAY overpriced, it’s a hustle.. Have fun with your cheap rack and MAKE MUSIC.

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  2 місяці тому

      Hi there! Of course I understand there is a bit of a ‘bollocks’ moment when a new version of something you just bought comes out. At the same time, I don’t understand it when people get angry about that. Maybe my thoughts can change your perspective on the ‘lesson’ to be learned.
      Improving and evolving is a crucial part of any business. Weather you buy a new car, some new pants, or synths. If the company stays in business they will improve on ideas, make new products, and replace the old.
      In fact, it’s exactly BECAUSE you support and buy products from a company they are able to grow, keep doing research and evolve their range. Similar, the fact you could buy the module you bought is because people supported Xaoc by buying their modules for years, and they had the resources to design and manufacture it.
      The module you bought is expensive, not overpriced. The price is set by a small company aiming to make enough profit for that company to stay in business and keep improving and innovating. The module still does exactly what you wanted from it when you decided it was worth buying. Feel good about supporting a company that designed, produces and keeps improving what you are interested in.
      On the other hand, more stuff for cheap. I get it. It’s a free world.

    • @naisammon4986
      @naisammon4986 2 місяці тому

      I considered everything you said before and my point is this.
      My thought when I was deciding to purchase, it was “these ‘ Working Class’ Guys did the design and research, they originated it so they deserved this money. The components and the labor to build these certainly don’t warrant a price of $360, add Poti And your closing in on $500! But I could lose some weight and it’s just right that I buy it from them”
      So, Myself, A genuine working class guy in America, where it’s getting shittier by the day And hard to find a job of minimum wage, even with a college degree, I see that Xaoc As decided To slap Behringer back And put out an ultra tricked out version, whip it out, lay it on the table, Show them, whose boss.
      Meanwhile, I have the original Batumi And its overpriced expansion module. Now you could say “well you’re like poor so what are you even doing attempting to build aAnd it’s overpriced expansion module. Now you could say “well you’re like poor so what are you even doing attempting to build a modular rack?” To which I’d say “because I like it, because it gives me pleasure I enjoy it And if I act unreasonable, and by the one that cost three times more than the exact same one from another company, my loyalty will be rewarded every time I look at it and know that I went with the OG”
      But really what they did is slap their customers in the face. Like I think I said before I have friends who make modules and they think it’s kind of disgusting how much Xaoc charge’s for their modules, yet, I still decided to go with them. Now, if I feel like swapping out this module and throwing it onto Reverb, I will get a fraction of what I paid for it because who wants this lame original one?
      They tried to show Behringers, whose boss, Instead, they made their Customers feel duped.
      So the point of my original post was “ Take your girlfriend out to a nice dinner, pay your rent, Finally get that car fixed, go to the doctor and figure out what that pain you’ve got bugging you is. Don’t buy a module from Xoac-Are you really that invested in getting The corporate heads their first Lambos? No. Buy cheaper modules, enjoy Modular , enjoy making music enjoy the meditative experience of sitting behind your rack, and being filled with beautiful sound waves. But don’t blow all your cash on Clearly, clearly clearly overpriced modules(There’s a reason this thing can be made and solved for $100).
      What they did was gross, it made me feel gross that I made such a stupid decision to be loyal to them, especially knowing what I know now.
      Don’t buy from Xoac, They don’t care about you(Not that I expect big companies riding the trend on their yachts To care about me, but this is just sickening).
      Buy cheaper modules if you feel like a module looks like it’s incredibly overpriced. It is.

    • @naisammon4986
      @naisammon4986 2 місяці тому

      And by the way, this is not a knock at you, I don’t think you’re a “shill” or some shit like that, I enjoy your channel a lot, it’s one of the most valuable modular synthesis channels on z tubes and yeah, module looks great, I wish I woulda waited a month and grabbed this guy instead. All I’m saying is “Hey, if your watching this, don’t blow all of your cash for the month on this, there’s much much more inexpensive mods out there that, if your skilled and imaginative, you can make great music. Scan the web for say Doepfer stuff, you can’t go wrong and you can get 3 killer mods for the price of this.
      The “Working Class Electronics” pose is nauseating-Modular is no longer niche, they’re selling these puppies for at at least 5 to 15X it costs to produce them, they are making WILD cash. Get the cheaper stuff, you’ll afford more or you can afford to have a fun life away from your rack as well.

    • @naisammon4986
      @naisammon4986 2 місяці тому

      And just so you know, you’re a great teacher. This is an Excellent channel, excellent source for finding more creative applications for your modules. I don’t think you are a “shill” Or anything like that at all.
      My point is is that Xaoc And a few other brands seem to represent the worst kind of gouging. Some companies have moved towards since Modular has ceased to become an esoteric hobby And has become totally mainstream(Noise engineering has almost doubled the prices of some of their modules from five years ago in recent years, I don’t buy anything from them anymore). I don’t think that Modular should be elitist, people who take issue with Behringer Making affordable alternatives to Moog Etc. gross me out completely. The price’s for the incredibly simple Leibniz binary System modules are just Ridiculous and I can’t wait for a smart fella on Etsy to sell modules to do the same thing for a price that makes sense.
      So yeah, I’m saying screw Xaoc, Get cheaper modules and have money left over to live your life. People are living paycheck to paycheck here..

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  2 місяці тому +2

      Hi there, and thanks for your thoughts! In general, I am very hesitant of going in depth with these discussions. The web is filled with them, and they very easily seem to spiral and become 1 on 1 heated arguments. I appreciate your kind words through, and as you put in effort to write, I am happy to share a few more things that currently shape my thoughts, just in case you are interested. Likewise, none of this is an attack on you or anyone else, there’s some self-criticism as well, and don’t think things are simple.
      - Modular companies are extremely small. A lot are just one or two people building things. The ‘big’ players in modular land often just have a hand full of people employed full-time. If you email these companies you often get responses from founders and makers. These are companies without investors and layers of management collecting profits. Just a couple of people making a living. There are no Lambos, and no yachts.
      - The material cost of modules (and most high-end equipment) is indeed a pretty small part of the price consumers pay. Of course, the consumer pays assembly costs, VAT, profit for the retailer (like Thomann or Perfect Circuit), shipping from manufacturer to retailer, etc, etc. Still, there’s a relative ‘high’ profit margin on these things, no doubt. Simple comparison with my own channel: I ask people to donate money on Patreon to support me. If you look at the ‘cost’ of this channel, it’s just a monthly studio rent, monthly software subscription, and camera write-off, that’s it. But for me in order to research topics, write scripts, record videos, edit, in other words do this full time, I also need to pay rent for a place to live, food to eat, health insurance etc. So, I need a LOT more money than what the channel ‘costs’ to keep doing this.
      - Because modular companies are so small - even though modular is becoming more popular, it’s still a niche market - they function like me, and need to cover living costs in the profits of limited sales to stay alive. Large holding companies with multiple brands, branches, and larger profits (with CEOs, and layers of management structures), have other options when it comes to setting strategies and creating profit. For example, have and entire department that’s not profitable as an experiment. Or sell products closer to production cost, or even at a loss, just to see if flooding the market will push out competition and create profit options in the long run. Or maybe decide just the amount of media attention is worth the cost as a marketing tool.
      - There’s nothing illegal about any of that in our society. And I’m not judging any consumers in a hard way, because I know that would be hypocrite of me. I just happen to be involved in the synth community a lot, and care for the people in it trying to create interesting and innovating things in a fair way. At the same time, I am not that involved when it comes to, for example, furniture or clothing, branches where the exact same things play.
      - I think modular synths are pretty unnecessary items. Whether you are comfortable with paying €100 or €250 for a quad LFO, I’d say you don’t classify as poor. I completely agree anyone should prioritize health, education, and other important things first. But none of these products are necessary to make interesting and or good music, grow as a musician, or start exploring or having fun with music.
      - When people buy luxury items everyone is free to decide what ideals they like to support, how invested in a scene they care to be, and how much price is related to their ideology. From a consumers perspective I still often advice people new to synthesis to get a Neutron, simply because it’s great money to fun ratio for a consumer, and I really hope people have a blast with that. But I personally make other choices in my studio, because I like to support innovating companies designing products, and think a healthy climate with friendly and respectful competitive companies will create more interesting innovative synths and opportunities in the long run.
      Edit: I always care for respectful thought sharing, and people are always welcome to do so in my comments. UA-cam doesn’t push up responses to excising comments though, so I don’t always see them, but will try to keep an eye out 😊
      All the best to you in any case, and enjoy the modular!

  • @AboveTheTrees00
    @AboveTheTrees00 Рік тому +1

    i don't understand what this is , as you didn't explain it properly. A completely new module or a new firmware?

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +5

      Sorry you're having trouble catching up. Both modules are physically different, and have the II at the end of the name printed on them. So, new modules :)

    • @CRedfearn1983
      @CRedfearn1983 Рік тому +1

      He explained it perfectly in the very beginning

  • @logiqueraison5631
    @logiqueraison5631 Рік тому

    ok, i understand I'm drunk.. still i'm missing the point.

    • @MonotrailTechTalk
      @MonotrailTechTalk  Рік тому +1

      No worries, I'm here to help. Most people get drunk to escape reality a bit, let go of daily things, have fun with friends and socialize. Just keep trying, you'll get there!