Why Queen of Pain RUSHES Dagon in Dota 2

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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @TorteDeLini
    @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому +25

    I'm testing out our new 1440p quality videos. Do you guys like it? If so, we'll aim to improve the quality to this level.

    • @lasyonergerman9180
      @lasyonergerman9180 5 місяців тому +1

      its much better. Thank you, god of dota!

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому

      @@lasyonergerman9180 Cheers! Okay, we'll keep it!

  • @saffakaneraSC
    @saffakaneraSC 5 місяців тому +5

    Super helpful video Torte! The part at the end that explains the need (or not) to curb your opponent’s midlane is so helpful for thinking about choosing facet and (initial) build during the strategy time of the picking phase.

  • @guttgrinder1626
    @guttgrinder1626 5 місяців тому +5

    As a QoP main, this is how I've been playing her since I foundout the masochist facet. About the Q, to be honest, sometimes I forget that it existed (ever since they removed the healing). LOL

  • @noobwithattitude
    @noobwithattitude 5 місяців тому +9

    Really love the dagon meta, as Akasha has always been used as a burst hero

  • @brandontobias1138
    @brandontobias1138 5 місяців тому +5

    Thanks was trying to build a bloodstone radiance spell lifesteal build with the other facet-but this feels like it would be WAY better! will try next

    • @SeisoYabai
      @SeisoYabai 27 днів тому

      Doubling down on lifesteal is generally not a great idea. If a hero innately heals themselves, that's factored into their balance - which sounds obvious, but it means things need to be taken away to compensate. The first thing to go is usually damage, then mana, cooldown, range, etc. If you have lifesteal and damage, it likely costs a ton of mana (and look at QoP). If it heals for a lot, it probably doesn't do damage on its own (think Legion Commander counterattack, it doesn't really do much damage until you've built some damage items/gotten stacks). So either the synergy is good but your hero won't function because you didn't buy, for example, mana regen, or there's just not enough damage innately to actually make the lifestealing worth it.

  • @ShortsDota2
    @ShortsDota2 5 місяців тому +23

    icefrog rly ruined my qop enjoyment with scepter changes, but nuking them with dagon gives me similar rejoice

  • @philiplie7342
    @philiplie7342 5 місяців тому +7

    simple clean and super informative

  • @existingloner
    @existingloner 4 місяці тому +2

    Yeah, I saw dota protracker and 100% builds use dagon as first item. But I'm not really sure why QoP's attack range and speed being ignored, I prefer build: PT, Orchid, Voodoo Mask, witch blade, BKB, Kaya and Sange, Parasma, Bloodthorn, Revenants Brooch. It deals massive DMG at late game, and pretty good at mid game. It also increases your farm speed. But in this build there is a massive downside, orchid is trash item in a lot of games, because it is easily dispellable. But today I had 5 win streak with 15/3/13 kda average at 5k+ MMR in Europe. It is probably not dead build.

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  4 місяці тому

      That's amazing!
      Definitely not a dead build, just different ramp-up and timing!

  • @Library4Lich
    @Library4Lich 5 місяців тому +2

    I haven't played dota much since the new big patch especially because I felt like my fav heroes were straight up nerfed or reworked into oblivion like Tinker ... fuck..
    And QoP seemed super bad but this simple short straightforward and mega informative video (srsly well done) will bring me back into trying some games
    Thanks

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому +3

      I think you're the only Tinker player ive ever met

  • @bangf1sh
    @bangf1sh 5 місяців тому

    I'm a Divine/5k player for a very long time and I started playing Dota again recently and your hero builds are so helpful now and in the past few years. I didn't know you had a youtube channel. Subbed!

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому

      Welcome back to Dota and glad you found my channel

  • @kevengoldio1015
    @kevengoldio1015 5 місяців тому +1

    What if we keep the voodoo mask and upgrade it to bloodstone later? Aoe in late game is insane, you have wider 3rd , more area of 1st skill after scepter , and more area of silencing if you got shard…

  • @danbug6931
    @danbug6931 5 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video. I'm not the QoP player but my friend is. Shared this to him as well

  • @jogon9649
    @jogon9649 5 місяців тому +1

    Orchid malevolence > witch blade
    It provides everything witch blade does plus ability to silence hero's for an extra 1k.

  • @RhodaMejia-f3m
    @RhodaMejia-f3m 3 місяці тому +1

    Kerluke Passage

  • @BrightBurke
    @BrightBurke 3 місяці тому +1

    1678 Royce Drives

  • @kvitvr407
    @kvitvr407 5 місяців тому +1

    since 2014 you're the guy whose guides i blindly follow and exclusively use. thanks for everything you do

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому +1

      Cheers to ten years ♥️♥️

  • @Grm0xlr2xD
    @Grm0xlr2xD 5 місяців тому +2

    Do you recommend just basic dagon lvl 1 or having some upgrades to it before other items?

    • @guttgrinder1626
      @guttgrinder1626 5 місяців тому +2

      On my games, I suggest level it up until 3 but if you're doing really well, rush it to 5 then go for Kaya/Sange.

    • @29Kd11-f3l
      @29Kd11-f3l 5 місяців тому +2

      Just lvl 1. Arcane boot, dagon. Then build this 4 item, sequence depend on game : agha, kaya sange, bkb, shiva.

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому

      Keep it at 1, it's just for the lifesteal and burst

    • @vladludinas863
      @vladludinas863 4 місяці тому

      My order is orchid/bloodthorn Kaya dagon witchblade parasma

  • @JenniferLewis-d6i
    @JenniferLewis-d6i 3 місяці тому +1

    Bergstrom Ridge

  • @olivercroft5263
    @olivercroft5263 5 місяців тому +1

    Nice idea, do you think it could be played pos 4?

    • @marswj324
      @marswj324 5 місяців тому

      No

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому

      No because you rely on dagger to harass your enemies

  • @KennanHazel-f5z
    @KennanHazel-f5z 2 місяці тому +1

    Euna Prairie

  • @ChristyEmily-c5l
    @ChristyEmily-c5l 3 місяці тому +1

    Giovanna Shoal

  • @alice91walker
    @alice91walker 5 місяців тому +1

    Will dagon be good as invoker core item?

  • @akshayy_xd
    @akshayy_xd 5 місяців тому +1

    Yummy new play style, i love it

  • @ChristopherRangel-o4q
    @ChristopherRangel-o4q 3 місяці тому +1

    Botsford Fields

  • @cucascomedia
    @cucascomedia 5 місяців тому +1

    I always thought that torte de lini was brazilian before I saw his videos. 😅

  • @MasefieldFerdinand-i9w
    @MasefieldFerdinand-i9w 3 місяці тому +1

    Jordan Pass

  • @academicp1318
    @academicp1318 5 місяців тому

    My playing pos is 3 and I wanna try pos3 qop but kinda afraid to get flames by my teammates at 4.4k rank as they all seem to be arrogant and toxic as fuck as if they won multiple TIs in a row lol. Also my behaviour score is 12k and still suffering from those ruiners, afk players etc

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому +1

      Don't play QoP Pos 3, it's very bad and will get destroyed. Play her Pos 2 as she wants levels very quickly to be able to go gank.
      I feel like a lot of players are scared about mid and I'm like this close to creating a video tutorial on how to play mid really simply.

    • @academicp1318
      @academicp1318 5 місяців тому

      @@TorteDeLini really appreciate your response man, will be looking towards for that. Keep it up man. Really value your guide man too op, big brain

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  5 місяців тому

  • @MitchDGlitch
    @MitchDGlitch 5 місяців тому +1

    Wait Torte de lini have youtube chanel??? I use you in game guids but never knew about yout youtube

  • @Gamersince991
    @Gamersince991 5 місяців тому +1

    Do Terrorblade Dagon next ⏭️

  • @PandaFailed
    @PandaFailed 5 місяців тому +1

    QOP go Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • @francisjosephcutamora8530
    @francisjosephcutamora8530 5 місяців тому +2

    Yes but in my team if they build this first its not effective but if the enemy builds it it's effective

  • @MalachiEleanore-s1t
    @MalachiEleanore-s1t 3 місяці тому +1

    Perez Margaret Gonzalez Ronald Hall Michael

  • @ĹŐĹĨŚŤĂĹĶĔŔinc
    @ĹŐĹĨŚŤĂĹĶĔŔinc 20 днів тому

    and then they nerf

  • @Christianbeast
    @Christianbeast 5 місяців тому +1

    Nice

  • @_rou_622
    @_rou_622 5 місяців тому +1

    8secs ago im always early on your videos bro

  • @lazylad6642
    @lazylad6642 4 місяці тому +1

    your Dagon build on QOP is very stupid and affects so many of my games because my teammate QOP kept rushing that shit dagon and always no mana during clash

    • @TorteDeLini
      @TorteDeLini  4 місяці тому +1

      I'm honored you would call this my build but it's literally from 8K MMR matches and not mine. I only transmit the information and explain why they do it.

    • @lazylad6642
      @lazylad6642 4 місяці тому +1

      @@TorteDeLini OMFG ididnt expect you would reply hahaha im sorry for this comment. i commented this after having a losing streak last night but yeah real talk torte de lini. i enjoy most of your guides bust some of them also is not updated properly.. i know you are doing a lot for the community but yeahhh for noobs or not 8K players WHICH IS A MAJORITY in Dota. some the 1st item builds are not that beginner / mid friendly... idk im just giving feedback since i rely most on your guides.. for example check on sandking again and in slardar :)

    • @Rexord95
      @Rexord95 2 місяці тому

      El dagon no consume mucho maná,no jodas...