This PRO laptop is as good at CAD as a DESKTOP i9-9900K! Dell Precision 7550
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- The Dell Precision 7550 with Intel Xeon W-10885M is crackers fast for 3D CAD.
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The throttling and low video bandwidth you encountered were both the result of you using the wrong dock model for your test. The WD19 180W dock isn't designed for Precision 7000 Series systems. It only passes 130W through to the attached system, which is much less than that system is designed for, and as a standard USB-C dock, it can only tap into two DisplayPort HBR lanes for video bandwidth; the other two are allocated to USB 3.x data. The dock specifically MEANT for Precision 7000 Series systems is the WD19DC, which can provide up to 210W of power AND access more DisplayPort HBR lanes because it plugs into BOTH of the USB-C ports on the system. The WD19DC was launched at the same time as the WD19, and even before that, there was the TB18DC that was designed to support Precision 7000 Series systems, so you simply got the wrong product when the right one was available. And in terms of display capabilities, the WD19DC will run single 5K 60 Hz or 8K 30Hz, or dual 4K 60 Hz, or triple QHD. And for that matter even the regular WD19 when paired with a DisplayPort HBR3 system will run single 4K 60 Hz, or dual 1440p, or triple 1080p displays. Show me another USB hub that can do that and provide those power levels, allow PXE booting, MAC address passthrough, etc. Maybe before you go off ranting about a negative experience with a product and its low perceived value, you should confirm that you actually bought the right product for your use case.
I Love this shorter format. All the info is here. cheers mate
Great video man. Very informative. Great to see your Invmark benchmark in action. I can see this as being the goto benchmark for this kind of hardware and workflow testing.
Beautiful video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with plebs like me!
Cracking video thanks bud. Helps me toward picking my next rollout for my AEC users
Nice review, really informative overview, thanks for sharing! I've got mine one month ago and I'm happy with it (battery life is great)! :)
Great analysis! Thanks very much for your insights as well.
i like your humor. subscribed 😉
I just ordered mine yesterday. But with rtx 4000 and 64 2933 ram. Looking forward to your test. Watched your videos many times over again. Thanks
Good choice! This will be a beast with the RTX 4000!
hy nice content! which material is the laptop made of? aluminium or plastic? thanks for answering!
I'm in doubt about buying my first workstation. What do you think if you had the choose between the HP zbook fury 15, Lenovo P15 or Dell 7550 with i7-10750, T1000 and 16GB RAM? These are all three top workstations but I can't choose between them. Can you tell in short what the cons and pros are and which one you would buy?
I bought my former boss the very same laptop for CAD work a couple of weeks ago so I guess I'm in good company and made a pretty good decision :)
No complaints about it. Easy to add extra RAM and seems to be a reasonably good buy although I haven't spent too much time with it to fully get to know the pros and cons. I opted for 64 GB of non-ECC RAM and I did get the expensive dock because I decided to take a leap of faith which has turned out to be an OK decision so far. I will look into the thing with the clock speed mentioned here though. Not that I noticed it being extra slow or anything but then again I pretty much just set it up and then left after installing some software.
After watching this I am thinking about going with the 10855 6-core Xeon with the higher base clock and perhaps little more thermal headroom. What are your thoughts on this based on your workflow which is similar to mine? There is diminishing returns which really begin to be seen right around 8 cores. What would your feedback be on the 6 vs 8 core xeons?
I also like the newer leaning on the filing cabinet "alright mate listen in, I'm going to give you some top tips geezer" format
Best comment ever ❤️ I'm actually leaning on my PC!
When you're minding your own business at the pub then some dude starts talking about workstations vibes
Good job mate! Is the combination xeon with 3000 nvidia quadro worth it for MATLAB 3D seismic modeling, ARCGIS laptop? Thanks for answering
Hey Tech3D - did you have issues with windows shutting down with bluescreen of death... my just randomly restarts and does not seem related to work pressure. But my fans starts running high after the restart into windows. Its annoying with a PC in that price class. I have the standard 16gb ram so that is my only concern that they may need to be updated to 32. But again since it happens with just google chrome or MS teams open its seems odd that should be the issue.
Ahhhhh! You have a very similar same issue with your dock as I do. I bought an HP dock (as it has a speaker which is super handy). Two triggers which cause it to throttle:
- After the unit has botted plug this into the Precision 7550, and all good. But the whole unit will throttle down to 800Mhz as soon as I connect my phone to one of the USB C ports of the dock.
- Boot the unit whilst plugged in.
My assumption in both cases is the USB C/Thunderbolt attempts to charge over the USB. The second of these is easily remedied by unplugging the power and usb c and then plugging back the power.
Would you recommend any 2-in-1s that work for autodesk, since I am a high-school student and want to get into autodesk (for engineering) and also take notes for school
Hi sir. Can you suggest me a good laptop under or near 1000dollars. I use fusion 360 and Solidworks
Very interesting. I'm thinking about picking up a Dell refurbished 7550 (without a discrete GPU) to use as a Linux workstation. Unfortunately, the condition is described as "scratched and dented", and there's no return policy. Once you buy it, you're stuck with it.
Great video. Are you using a docking station of some sort instead of the Dell WD one? If so what kind?
The dock he should have been using was the WD19DC, which is specifically meant to support the power requirements of the Precision 7000 Series systems by offering up to 210W of power. He used a WD19 180W, which only provides 130W, which is why he encountered throttling. His negative experience was the result of using the wrong product.
Sounds like this DELL model is a beast, and just curious about running temperatures? Also can you recommend a high quality plug and play universal docking station? Or do you prefer to match them with the manufacturer of the laptop? Thank you as always and hope you are doing great. Cheers
I personally can't recommend any docking stations tbh, just a personal thing, I would never ever use one so I can't relate to the things people see in them. Temps on this thing to get toasty but its a Xeon so its never really in any danger of hard exiting out... 70-100C regularly across all cores whilst the test was running. All of this data will be presented on our website when that goes live but I might see if I can chart it properly in Excel and make a video showing the graphs in a better format, its just Excel and graphs aren't my strong point!
@@Neil3D Completely understand but having to work from home, and having to use multiple monitors I did notice my laptop temperature varied between docking and not. I only noticed it because of the poor performance while handling large models in Inventor or Point Clouds with higher temperatures. Just curious, and again thank you for your time and all the great content.
Are there reports of the 8 core Xeon running any cooler than the core i9? They are essentially the same chip, I haven't personally seen any difference between the two, however there are reviews of the i9-10980HK running at faster clocks/ lower temps than the standard i9, possibly due to superior binning. I would assume the Xeon's would have a higher voltage for stability vs. a gaming CPU please correct me if I'm wrong.
I have the Xeon W-10885M and have achieved over 4000 on CBR20 with discrete graphics card off but at 115W and immediately overheats even after a repaste with LM (yes I got that desperate) 100C on a P15. 3850 with discrete graphics idle.
Hi, finally the answer I have been looking for, thank you. I did see the last video on why mobile workstation and this one just sealed the deal. As an architect yes single core is what i need but as you say, what tool do you need. Well I need 3d modeling, dynamic thermal modeling, and 3d visualization, twin motion and unreal. I assume this can be translated to the 7750?
Do you prefer precision or alienware
@@ashishvnk which one's more expensive
No need for large data to fill 128Gb ram - two graded 8k clips on timeline with basic transition between them may opt for even more. Actually even in 4K you can overfill 64Gb while, ok, not that easy, so 4 slots are definitely nice today and must-have tomorrow
From a whole video, which is great btw, my greatest attention was on thunderbolt dock. We switched from precisions m6800 and e port replicator docks to lenovo P73. “Logically” we bougth them with thuderbolt docks. I have always had my doubths about them. Do we need them actually? I thin they are bottleneck, have glitches and expensive. Could you write few lines about them generally
He used the wrong dock for his testing, which is why he encountered throttling. The WD19 180W supplies up to 130W to the attached system. The dock meant for Precision 7000 Series systems is the WD19DC, which supplies up to 210W of power and therefore will avoid throttling. If you want to use any other dock model, you'll need to keep the system's own power adapter directly connected as well in order to avoid throttling because the Precision 7000 Series systems require way more power than the 100W max of the USB PD spec. The WD19 180W stretches the spec a bit to 130W, but the WD19DC provides 210W by plugging into both of the USB-C ports on the system.
Can I buy dell 7760 with i9 11950 with rtx a3000?
Amateur Question which may not make sense.. If I connect 2 screens to hdmi and to mini display port do I get access to the GPU ? Also if I connect 2 screens to the dock do I get GPU or a USB display device ?
Depends on the laptop as to how it handles the display out but generally yes, you can quite easily verify that by starting a program and looking in task manager. The GPU column will usually be 0 for the CPU graphics and 1 for the proper GPU. You can also force most laptops to only run on the main GPU in the Nvidia control panel or completely turn off the CPU graphics in the bios. Some laptops come with software which let's you enable discreet mode without needing the bios. Using the Dock also uses the gpu as well, I'm currently using the Dell universal Dock to output to my main monitor and I'm getting access to the main gpu
I have 7730 with Xeon 2186M, p5200, 64gb ecc. It can not handle 240w power. Unfortunately power socket burned and melted twice. Last month I bought HP Zbook 17 fury with Xeon W-10885M, Rtx5000, 64gb ecc. Dell notebooks has problem when it's working under heavy load more than 3-4hrs.
You won't believe i have a PRECISION 7710 with QUADRO M5000M 8gb graphics and 32GB ram... Its still a beast..
thx
@@MrJitendra007 I have 3 dell products. One 7740, two 7730 with the highest configuration possible. The power cable inside burned twice. It burned and melted. I'm writing this to you from my USD7000 7730. I had to modify the power cable inside; instead of 8 thin wire, I soldered 2 thick copper wire, and It works fine now. When I contact dell service, they told me It's a prevalent problem. I burned one of them when I was playing COD Warzone at 4k. It really works fine as long as you don't force the machine for 2-3 hours. This is not normal for a workstation.
That power button placement is a real WTF. There is an interest for the iGPU only configuration option if you need a beefy CPU but have no use for a dGPU, such as being a software developer
I'm using Latitude series for years and now consider basic 7750 as another Latitude but '17 screen as my next machine.
This xeon 10885M has a lower base frequency (2.2 GHz) than my 7 year old zbook studio i7 6700 (2.6 GHz). Isn't the base frequency important for 3D AutoCAD. I'm in the market for a new workstation and this is confusing me
Dell has a version of the thunderbolt dock with two USB C ports (one supplies additional power). It should solve your throttling issues!
I looked into all that... this dock is 180W but it only delivers 130W, but the interface is USB-C... but the older 7540 is listed on the supported page, but this one isn't, but each unit can have massively different power requirements, it's an absolute mess... we probably should have bought the WD19DC but then again they should be marketed far more clearly and differentiated than they are. Even if it didnt throttle though, the bandwidth limitations makes the 3x display outputs utterly useless, which makes it an outrageously over priced hub whichever way you look at it!
Our IT people actually get this correct and supply the duel thunderbolt dock.
@@Neil3D On Dell's docking station compatibility guide here (www.delltechnologies.com/resources/en-us/asset/data-sheets/products/electronics-accessories/dell_docking_compatibility_guide.pdf ), both the 7540 and 7550 only list the WD19 as "compatible" with a "#" tag noting that it doesn't supply enough power to run the system. That's why both of those systems only give the "Recommended" designation to the WD19DC. Also, the second USB-C connection on the WD19DC also allows FAR more display bandwidth compared to what the regular WD19 can offer -- which is itself a limitation of how USB-C works because it can only carry two DisplayPort HBR lanes over a connection that is also running USB 3.x data. The WD19DC has an entire additional USB-C interface with four high speed lanes available for video. As such, the WD19DC can support single 5K 60 Hz or 8K 30 Hz, or dual 4K 60 Hz, or triple QHD. This is all explained in the documentation of these docks, available on support.dell.com. But for the record, the regular WD19 can run triple 1080p from a system that supports DisplayPort HBR3 over USB-C, so I wouldn't consider its triple outputs "utterly useless". I might however apply that designation to those who post reviews containing strong judgments about products before even checking their information.
We really need a screen that is massive. The Alias icons are tiny for guys over 45. Lots of design is over the shoulder of a team. My system I'm building now has 64 mb RAM and processor is AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor at 3.49 GHz.
Dude, I had 64Mb of RAM back in 1998!
@@FlyboyHelosim how much (mb) do you recommend with that motherboard?
@@jadoctor I was trolling you. I'm pretty sure you meant 64Gb, no?
@@FlyboyHelosim haha…yes….thx
My Asus converted a 2mil poly mesh to a base feature in Inventor which as far as I know is peak cad capability testing😂
I get whatever is on the "mobile heavy user" IT profile from my large employer lol. They are ok.
I was trying to get Vault for my team but as our company are moving to Siemens PLM I gave that up. Before that I did accidentally end up having a conference call with Autodesk senior sales team thinking I was the head of engineering for the whole business 🤣
Good Luck to you if you end up using Teamcentre.
@@michaelb2228 I had some training, the inventor integration is being done q4
@@TheBlankmediams I was contracting at a company similar to Neil's not that long ago and the tie up between Inventor & Teamcentre was not brilliant. That company is not a small operation and is in the process of moving to NX to improve the compatibility (hopefully.) Depending how IT integrates Teamcentre various processes in Inventor may frustrate. Where I was a "copy design" of a fabrication gave each element an individual part number. Going deeper all order quantities via TC required a manual check as data seemed to skew what was needed. As I said good luck & hopefully your IT dept. is on the ball!
@@michaelb2228 we are also not a small company also. team centre was used in the aerospace devision first and is being rolled out to the others. They have a full time team centre support group so hopefully it isn't to bad. The quality function is also being made to use it. We will see what happens lol
Nice review :) I feel like Dell are one of the few companies that are iterating on their products rather than recycling old or outdated designs.
This one made me chuckle though, have you seen the 'new' ThinkPad P15? Looks like someone did a ctrl+c on the Dell 7530 and moved the ports around a bit.
Can't wait to see the 7560!
Good with 3D.. But i hate that docking station:DD
What was the cost as spec'd?
Ahh depends on where you buy it from tbh, I think we paid around 2200GBP exc VAT per unit but if you spec this exact one into Dells website it'll probs cost more than that, but we went through a third party supplier for them. Hence why we probably ended up with duff docks.
@@Neil3D Thanks for the reply! I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm an old dude with 22 years on SolidWorks, and the last 2 on Inventor, so you've really helped me a lot.
Why did you choose that over a thinkpad?
I did get a sample unit of a Thinkpad prior to buying these and it was utterly dreadful, the thermals on it were unacceptable. I even made a video on it but the Lenovo Comment Fan Club got so unreasonably butt hurt over the video that I ended up taking it down as I was beginning to lose my cool with people attacking me over me disrespecting their precious purchase. I also spent 10 minutes demonstrating and clearly showing the poor thermals, then spent 15 seconds passing a mention about the hiddeous looks of the laptop, which then resulted in a barrage of abuse in the comments hyper focusing on how all I cared about was how the laptop looks... even though I only mentioned that for 15 seconds in a 15 minute video, so rather than fight with idiots and end up having a stroke I just took it down and got on with life. If I get another one and its just as bad though I'd do it all over again.
@@Neil3D yeah thinkpad guys are almost as bad as Apple fans. Which thinkpad did you review? Was it the p1 or x1? If so what gen?
Why do people need more fps then 60? When they don't use a trackpad T650/T651 or a Surface Dial for smooth scroll? pavelfatin.com/videos/scrolling.mp4 / ua-cam.com/video/mojMUd9b87g/v-deo.html only with a dial or trackpad you don't get scroll by line in windows what causes headaches.
tony stark style :)
please try an ryzen 3950x pr 5950x with a nvidia card 2080 in inventor and AutoCAD, width gpu sceduling on
If someone wants to send me a Ryzen 3950x or 5950x I will!
I like your hair.
Why do mobile workstations even exist? Because I had to render my homework while going to my unrelated office job while going to school. Also, that time my uncle would invite me to his timeshare in Aspen for Thanksgiving but I had to do homework over break.
students is a big one
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