Murdered by her Schizophrenic Room Mate | Outback Coroner |
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2024
- In Alice Springs, the violent death of a woman leads Northern Territory Coroner Greg Cavanagh to investigate duty of care issues surrounding mental health in the community. Also in Alice Springs, he inquires into a death in custody, as the family of the deceased question the prison system’s treatment of their loved one.
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These Coroner/Constables are absolutely the most compassionate people I have ever seen. I live in the USA, and all the court systems I have encountered are all about politics and solving the crimes through the media. These Gentlemen need to be commended.
And a family's daughter was slaughtered because of it.
This show is fantastic. The coroners are so empathetic to all involved and that is how it should be. Condolences to the families.
He’s the coroner and also the circuit judge so he understands more than anyone about some cases he sits on ❤
If someone is mentally unstable and dangerous they should be held in a safe place away from others
My heart goes out to that mom. I know what it's like to lose a child. Not by violence, by unknown rare medical thing, but the heartbreak is the same...except she also has the anger of someone doing the unaliving their child. It's been just over 2 years that I lost one of my twin sons, and it still brings me to my knees some days. Brings tears every day. His name was RockyGabriel. Odd, the first name the same as this man.
My too🥺
I’m sorry for your loss too😔🙏🏻🕊
I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your son RockyGabriel, Judi.
I do believe you will meet again.
I'm sorry for your loss, I have been lucky so far but this world is changing fast and I just wish we could find an affordable place to live in so even though my kids are adults the town we were born in isn't the same
@@melluques8475 thanks. When I see a mom on an interview crying over her not here child, it's like I know her heart personally.
@@terredee thank you. I talk aloud to him every day for the last 2 1/2 years and he sends me signs a lot..especially lately. I'm not wary of leaving this earth anymore, now that one of my children has run ahead of me.
The heartbreaking dilemma is 1. Respect for a person’s autonomy/privacy/agency versus 2. the fact that the schizophrenic person MUST take their meds! The minute they’re clear thinking, they STOP and go off the rails again! It’s a horrible way to live, and the families suffer terribly.
If an individual knows that they become dangerous & violent when they stop taking their meds, yet repeatedly stop taking their meds, they are as guilty as someone who drinks & drives! 🤬
“If an individual KNOWS” Their brain is sick; they don’t KNOW like you and I KNOW. Two things are true: 1. They are sick but also 2. They must be held responsible for the harm they do.
@lisanunlist9510 my auntie was a schizophrenic,they often stop taking the med's as it dumbs them down such alot
Agree 100%.... citizens with rights & self determination. And yet unable or Unwilling to comply. NOW.HE IS INCARCERATED at risk, inappropriate care. So here we are.
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Seems like there needs to be a way to keep people medicated all the time, like that birth control implant - a small, flexible plastic tube that doctors inject under the skin of the upper arm. It lasts about four months, and then the person has to go back in for another quick, relatively painless injection.
It’s unfortunate that some people feel “dumbed down” on mental health drugs, but it’s far better than allowing them to act out of their mental illness and wreaking havoc on innocents.
family should not be in charge of treatment and medical decisions you cannot be objective.
When he says ; "we threat mentally ill people in the community instead of in asylums. And that's as it should be". Does he mean the former or the latter is as it should be? Because leaving mentally ill people who are dangerous in the community and therefore putting innocent people in danger is a crime in itself.
He means in the community. Britain also introduced “Care in the Community”. It works in the vast majority of cases. In his case, proper safe guarding wasn’t in place. I don’t understand putting him with a young woman to share an apartment in the first place…
@@suzimonkey345In many cases it’s an absolute nightmare. Puts nearly the entire burden on the family whose hands are often tied with what they can actually do to help, particularly when the person in question does not believe they are ill or is suffering from extreme paranoia.
It's called LRE least restrictive environment...medicated with community based support...ie housing, ADL support, job train, transportation, food, healthcare++
So many of those mentally ill end up roaming the community untreated and on the verge of violence. My father threatened his mother (as a grown adult in his 60's with schizophrenia) and when she feared her life the only thing police would do is file a restraining order and remove him from the premises. He died living on the streets of fentenyl OD in 2022. He didn't accept schizophrenia had such a rule over his thoughts. He was unreachable and could be scary. Mental health care is complicated, and the effects are widespread. I don't know the answer, but surely we need some sort of system to screen for extreme cases of mental health issues.
@clarry1324Exactly
A non-violent criminal treated with so much disrespect is, quite frankly, inexcusable.
Whenever you have a system ran by humans or created by humans there will be error whether accidental or purposeful.
Rocky knew he needed meds. He belongs in prison, IMO.
No the Doctor does for believing Rocky and allowing him home with out community care order !!!
It’s so lovely that jasmine and Rocky’s families understand mental health problems in their families that they can still be friends , after all that happened ❤❤
I worked for years with a paranoid schizophrenic. All his walls were covered with aluminum foil because of the microwaves and he used to always wipe his face with a brown iodine based solution to ward off the nerve gas. He invented the waterbed, the rotary engine, and the flash cube among others, but "they" stole his ideas and the whole plot is exposed in terrible science fiction novels that filled the plastic bins he stored in the broken down old school bus. Sweetest guy you'll ever meet. Schizophrenics are no more likely to be violent than anyone else.
For 3 yrs i was the sole counselor for 3 elementary schools, (where early detection & first contacts) i had between 100-150 open cases for 3 yrs. Fresh out of grad school... Can you imagine the pressure?.
Poor Peter Clark, being jailed and shackled for growing a plant makes my blood boil. I share his love, it's a joke it's a crime. God bless him and his lovely family, he should NEVER have been imprisoned, his illness was apparent to those who knew him. RIP Peter. 'Melingerer'?! What the actual...
I know a family that has a son/brother that is both bipolar & schizophrenic. He is incredibly smart & quite nice guy...when taking his medication. The family suffers everytime he goes off them & it's quite a long journey to get balance again. Totally heartbreaking for everyone. 😪
Schizophrenia is one of the most disturbing disorders out here. I knew someone, and she terrified me. I would never trust them for a second!
Very complicated to put someone with manic-depression together with another suffering the same or similar condition. Let alone opposite sexes. I don't get the reasoning there, at all.
Yeah I was wondering why they let them live together?!
@@Noodlepunkthey wee friends and for a time boyfriends and girlfriend regardless of the mental health problems that why they lived as room mates
I really dislike when these types of shows go through a whole hour and then don't even give you a final outcome. This is one of my favourite shows (I love this Coroner!), but they do this all the time. It makes me want to skip to the end first to make sure there is an actual verdict.
Your videos are the best. I love the coroner Greg.
I’d find his life so depressing though!
@@suzimonkey345 I'm in love with the coroner 😁 Humans have this specificity to create their reality with their thoughts, their beliefs, the info they ingest, what they focus their attension on, what they have inside, what they vibrate.
@@suzimonkey345 never been so happy, what we are living now is exceptionnal. Everything is running perfectly according to the cosmic clock. I feel for the majority of the people who vibrate very low as they are blind and ignorant of what is really going on.
Very compassionate and realistic coroner/magisrate, a good person doing a very tough job.
Sad and tragic stories. The coroner is to be commended for his compassion and empathy.
I wish they would have included his findings for the death of Clarke. Other that, it was an exceptional documentary.
Budget cuts?
Ridiculous
Tax the rich and provide services to the people
Tax Murdoch
All drugs should be decriminalized and regulated and give addicts treatment
I"m not professional, but I do want to join a team family, friends and professionals, who are helping the public mental crisis.
Excellent....if your approved, work with children...the care, guidance, positive regard by ONE ADULT in a child's life can help so so much
what do i do@@alysononoahu8702
Not guilty of murder? He murdered her
Cavanaugh is a great judge. He wants to be in front of his constituents and not on video. He has common sense. Good for him. He feels for these people who usually dont see justice. Wish more judges were like him
First he's a coroner, a magistrate second
@alysononoahu8702 yes. Doesn't matter. He still travels to see people in court. And even better he's a coroner to really look into their cases. Not sure of ur point.
One thing did why they let a man and a woman live together in the program he and she was in? He murdered her cause she was going to move out.
The coroner is trying so much to do the job but as not every agency or org. does their jobs that well , its terrible to do better. Sad but true all over the world.
Culturally sensitive, sincere
Rocky showed signs that he might be violent
The sister knew he needed to be checked in. Just driving him around and automatically getting mad. 🤷🏽♀️🤬
Paranoid schizophrenics generally can make clear and good decisions despite their mental illness, meaning, they know that they need to take their meds. Their illness does not preclude them from deciding to take their meds. Additionally, this disorder does not make one violent. Rocky decided to not take his meds & to be violent. IMO, he belongs in prison, not secure hospital.
This Is The Worst Idea I've Heard.
Put Someone With Mental Illness With Same
Clark would have been in severe pain with widespread CA.😢
It’s not easy to live with anyone let alone a mentally unstable person. Why don’t they have separate accommodation? And a man and woman who are not in a relationship? I live in one room and it’s fine
Interesting case
I dont understand WHY the put them in the same flat to begin with, they didnt have a relationship in the beginning that came on AFTER that place put them together in that flat. My heart goes out to her mom. I place some of the blame on the Dr that let him be without requirements to take his medication his mother and his sister for calling and cancelling the help that was on their way to intervene. Rocky should be locked up forever, he murdered another human being!
Goodness me. What a job. A coroner carries a heavy responsibility. And a prison must be hard place for men like Mr.manu. having lived in both nz and Australia I've seen how alcohol affects indigenous races. Aborigine livers Don.t handle alcohol very well. I was told that by an Australian social worker. Its very very sad. It stands out how maybe flats should be shared by patients who aren't romantically entwined. I hope tgevrelatives all find peace. Its a harsh country. Full of snakes and crocodiles in the North the week I was In a place near Mary River a man was eaten by a crocodile. It was in the news. Its a great southern but primitive land.
Cavanaugh is an empathetic coroner and judge who deals with each case in person, not by video. Empathetic with the families of Rocky and Jasmine. Wish there were more like him. 🥲🇦🇺
They handcuffed the man's ankle to the bed frame. Don't most hospitals have leather restraints for violent patients? Not just criminals, but people who have such bad seizures that they could fly out of bed if not restrained. If they really felt the need to restrain him, those would've done the job just as well and been more comfortable. Jeez.
I worked ER and we used leather on a very very limited basis.
@@Sugarblizz08 And how often did you have to restrain a patient?
Things can change so so fast
@@alysononoahu8702 What does that have to do with my comment?
There are soft restraints available in US.
CaAMHS is in UK to Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services
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Without a history of violence, any of us would be incensed... if we were treated as a criminal...!!! We have rights..!!! And so did he..... im just saying....if...he had no history...
Jasmine was fed to a psychotic murderer. A 5yr old knowing Rockie wouldn't mix him with anyone. They lie and hide that he was a threat.
33:37 Only in Oz.
Insanity an absolute recipe for disaster. I cant believe the naievety of this so called " mental health group" Where were the professionals? A very sad but not unexpected ending!
You've not spent time with mental health care
@@alysononoahu8702 Listen up Alyson. Stop being such a fking know all. From your previous comments it's pretty obvious you think you are the oracle on everything. Haven't you heard of not making assumptions? Go give your head a wobble honey!!
Listen...They are citizens. !
They were unaware he was off meds!
They must agree to treatment....
But if he didnt break the law, he wouldn't be shackled... he played a part.
Dealing drugs to his own people.... right?...
These do gooders made a huge mistake here.
Don't count on me to feel sorry for this man! He chose drugs; we all know the negative effects it causes over people with serious mental disorder. If we should pay attention to one major mistake in this report, is to have put the young lady living with this psychopath! His death is not a loss for anyone except his own family!
i like that in Australia your justice system tries to figure out the cause of a situation & see where/if improvements can be made to prevent it from happening again. i’m sure it takes time & not as easy as it sounds, but at least they look at it & try to think of something. in the states it’s “thoughts & prayers” 😤😡 hopefully this upcoming election in November we get all democrats since they are the only ones who are working for us.
It's the democrats who think that 'improvement' is letting criminals run free or giving them soft punishments. Thanks to the democrats some American cities are now rampant with crime. The democrats want to change the definition of crime so more criminals can run free. And the democrats are letting in hundred-thousands of illegal immigrants of which many are drug dealers, human trafficers and other criminals. All this just to get more votes. You might want to rethink who are working for you. For who exactly? Because the are _not_ working for American citizens.
Never have anything to do with schizos. Ever
There are many kinds of schizophrenia. I know 2 that I trust. I also know and have worked with ones that need institutional care.
Hopefully, you don't have family members or children with this disorder. Pretty cold statement.