3.0 Rory ? That's very generous .I don't think any of them have much of a clue about anything . Hopefully, they'll watch this video of themselves and learn something from your comments .
Maybe so. However, the best thing for them to do is to watch the video and see exactly what they did incorrectly without my pick apart. If you've never videoed your games and watched them to see how you play, you'll never know exactly how good or bad you are. Most players think they play better than they actually do. Thanks for watching.
That's what I'm saying . But without your commentary, they are not likely to learn or recognize much of anything . If they could without your's or someone else's advice , they'd already be doing it .
I don't think it is fair to attribute the struggles these players are having to lack of intent. It is difficult to tell from watching others whether they don't have intent about what they are trying to accomplish with a shot or whether their accuracy doesn't allow them to consistently accomplish what they intend. I know there are many times when I have the intent to hit a third shot drop and what anyone observing would see is me teeing the ball up in the opponents put-away zone. The fact that many shots go into the net or well long is a strong indication that execution is the culprit rather than lack of intent. (Nobody intends to do those things.)
I gave the guy in blue credit for trying. However, other times the ball was just hit right into the putaway zone on the third shot with no purpose. When I see that I have to think, what are these players thinking is going to happen? Thanks for watching.
Hi Rory, I'd love for you to make more videos in the 3.5-4.0 range. I started watching your channel when I was at a 3.0 level. As I'm getting better (now a 3.5), I want to see more videos in the higher levels. Not sure what others think. Thank you.
I would also like to see more 3.5-4.0 analysis. I have been seeing a lot of your 2.75-3.0 videos lately. They all start to look the same. Lets see some videos where the skill level is higher. Thanks.
Agreed --I have to guess your biggest audience is the 3.5 to 4.0 level though I do love the higher level pick a parts as well@@pickleballpick-apart9787
Would love to see this sort of hitting shots with intent stuff in a 3.5-3.75 kind of game. To your point and one of the comments I saw here, a year and a half ago, I was a 3.0-3.5 type, over relying on athleticism, but it wasn't until the game really slowed down (less happy feet, more of a plan with what to do with the ball) for me that I was able to get to the 3.75 or near 4.0 type level.
Hey Rory! Interesting video. I'm a chess player, so I can relate to this! At this level, the players are not thinking of intent. Their primary purpose with their shots is pretty clear: 1) Hit the ball hard or with spin to try to get a winner, or 2) Simply keep the ball in play with shots that they're comfortable with. These players are missing 3 key elements: -Overall understanding of the incredible importance of getting to the kitchen. They might have a vague understanding that it's better to get to the kitchen, but they're more comfortable hitting lobs and hard drives at the baseline or even the transition zone, rather than setting themselves up to get to the kitchen. -Technical skills to drop the ball into the kitchen consistently. Once in a while a player might try to drop the ball into the kitchen...and that's great! The guy in blue tried to, and yes, he deserves credit, even when his attempts fail. -Confidence to use a drop. This is because they don't have the technical skill to pull it off consistently and are afraid to hit the ball high for an opponent put-away or into the net because they don't have enough touch. Rec games are still competitive, and people want to win! Hence, they'll revert back to what is comfortable for them...even if it stalls their growth. I see many players peak in their development because they're unwilling to risk losing in rec play by committing to using drops. They just don't have confidence in their technical skills or touch. So they revert to drives, or worst yet, lobs. If players would commit to practicing their drops, even at the risk of losing points, they would become stronger overall players in the long run. But this is easier said than done for most players. PS - these players all have the physical skills to move well past 3.0. But they would need to adjust their mindset in order to grow.
This is such an excellent post for so many reasons. What amazes me, is, even in tournaments, most players at the 3.0, 3.5 and sometimes 4.0 level cannot hit consistent third shot drops or resets. Some players don't even attempt them. It is something I pride myself in. When I first started playing pickeball, I had no clue what a third shot drop was. But, once I found out what it was and how important it is to being successful, it was my goal to master it. So, I bought a Spin Shot pickleball ball machine and every day, for quite some time, I'd hit 300 third shot drops a day. I'd place four hula hoops at different locations in the kitchen and try to drop my third shots into the hoops. Today, if I'm playing indoors, my goal is to get 90% of them in. Outdoors, depending on the wind, I'm happy with 70% and thrilled with 80% or above. Of course, I do hit third shot drives if a get a shallow return, or, if the player returning the ball does not move forward. Thanks for watching.
In working with new pickleball players I have found it challenging to get them to recognize that in pickleball your play won't improve to higher levels until you work on developing your soft shot when you are in a defensive position to your opponents. To overcome their fear of messing up a soft shot I have the players play a match where they lose the point if they volley the ball. In the beginning, the points are short because of the lack of skill of the players being able to hit good soft shots but as play goes on they begin to get a better feel for their soft shot and they actually enjoy getting some dinking play into their game. Playing enough of these types of games gets players to change their mindsets on volleying all their shots.
At what point of learning the game does strategy and intentional shots become as ingrained as basic shot mechanics? I’ve been playing a year and have been focusing on understanding scoring, serves with intent and strategy, moving up as quickly as possible, third shot drops, reacting to bangers and having fun? I get that you are trying to demonstrate “how not to play” here (by all the negative comments it’s a wonder they should show their faces on a court) but there is little suggestions on how they learn to improve?
My experience (3.5 on the cusp of moving up) has been that up to 3.25 or so you can win a *lot* of points by just being consistent and persistent. Not much intent necessary. At 3.5+ that starts to change. Opponents will still make plenty of mistakes in both tactics and execution, sure, but not enough to count on to win games. You have to think more and more about how to draw opponents this way or that, to *create* gaps for the eventual winner, or sometimes just to buy time for your own motion. The standard serve/return/third strategies are really just this for the game's most common scenario, which is why e.g. third-shot drops are the key to 3.75; after that it's more about learning to do the same in the general run of play.
They do stand back on return of serve, and stay back after a serve, so I think they've taken a few lessons, but should invest in more, as they all have the ability to be 3-3.5's with some good instruction. Having fun is the main goal at this level, and I think they reach that goal.
Agree with what you are saying. My perspective is that this is the kind of play you see when players do not have a third shot drop. The only thing left is drives and lobs. It does not matter what the intent is? They are just short on the skill of third shot drops.
That's a good point. But still, if they had never played the game before and they're hitting a third shot high and lofted into the air, what are they expecting to happen? And, over a short period of time, shouldn't they figure it out?
Well, to be fair, this is relatively beginner/beginner + rec play. When I was at that level, yes, I was intent on hitting the ball back over the net, and think Yay, Me! I am definitely getting better with practice and drilling, but having the ability to quickly--like nano-second-quick think of not only reaching the ball, but hitting the ball, getting it over the net, and then to add on top of that PLACING the ball...and then to be thinking a few shots ahead...well, for people who do not have a natural, innate athleticism (like me), it's really struggle to think multiple shots ahead, especially when you're already past the third or fourth shot in a play. That's probably why I'll never be a 4.5 or above (maybe, at best, a 4.0 if I really work at it), I just do not have that natural athleticism that advanced strategic play requires and once a firefight starts or the pace quickens, it's about all I can do to just hit the ball. Pickleball is great because you can still have fun anyway, and these folks are having fun, and definitely have the ability to take their game up a notch or two. If one has natural athleticism, it's really hard to understand how hard it is for those of us who don't have it. Example, I'm very musically-inclined, and it's hard to see how someone who claims they are tone-deaf can't "get" certain aspects of music. Thinking fast on your feet multiple steps ahead....it's just REALLY hard for some, if not many, folks. Can you improve? Sure....but I'd say it's MUCH harder for us non-athletic people than it is for those natural athletes. Well, I'm wandering here. I just see myself in my earlier pickleball days like these folks; I've been thinking a lot about this as I've had friends start playing after I've been playing for years, and advance much further than I have, and actually leave me behind, so I have a soft spot for these guys! They'll get better!
First, thanks for taking the time to write your lengthy reply. It all makes sense. I will however, have to disagree a little about natural athleticism. Quite often, I play against players more than half my age. They are much more athletic, have better reflexes and better hand-eye coordination. However, if they are positioned improperly on the court, are hitting shots with no intent and do not have a generally understanding of how the game is supposed to be played, I can compete and often defeat them. And, that's what I love about pickleball. It is possible to outsmart your opponent no matter how much more athletic they are. Again, thanks for your reply. (I'm a musician as well. Drums, piano, guitar. I was never a singer, but, always wanted to be. So, 10 years ago I began taking singing lessons and really worked on my voice. And, guess what? Within a year I was singing on stage and have been doing so for quite some time.)
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Thanks Rory. That type of strategic play is what I will be working on, but alot of this goes out the window after about the 5th shot in the play and things get going fast! I know strategy can outplay, or at least even the odds, athleticism to a point, but in the long run, that, overall, is a big hump to overcome if you're at your best and still don't have that innate ability to read the play, read the court, and think on your feet when the ball is coming quickly. Thanks for your response and the music story!
Probably one of the biggest strides I made forward is from being happy to make a difficult dig or return a difficult shot to having the intent to return a difficult dig or shot as a reset. Obviously, it is difficult to do but just digging or returning a tough shot with no intent is more often than not coming back at me hard. One advantage of a third shot drive is that it often sets up a much easier 5th shot drop. I saw a few nice drives but they didn't take advantage of them.
I’ve been playing for four months now and am still in survival mode trying to keep the ball in play long enough for the opponent to make a mistake. Playing with intent and doing a lot of solo drills with intent is my intended next step. It’s challenging enough to make it interesting.
Hi Rory, thank for your videos, they are all very helpful. You speak a lot about how you can not / should be moving as you are making your way to the non-volley zone when you are hitting your return through the transition zone. I was wondering if you had any video's or can make one highlighting the proper technique of getting set to hit your shot as you try to make your way to the non volley zone.
The link Jared posted below, is Briones cautioning players not to move forward after hitting a third shot. I'm pretty sure you're asking about moving forward when returning a serve. The two things are totally different. For me, it depends on how deep the serve is. if the serve is, say, midcourt and I'm positioned behind the service line, of course, I have to move forward to hit it. So, I take two steps, or more if needed, hit it and continue moving forward and my momentum will get me to the non-volley zone. If the serve is deep, with my feet set, I hit a very lofted deep return which allows me time to get established at the non-volley zone before my opponent hits the ball. The key is the getting the ball to stay in the air longer and moving forward the second the ball comes off your paddle. For two reasons, I very seldom hit hard, line-drive returns. Reason number one, the chances of me hitting a winner are rare. Reason number two, I could get caught in the transition zone and my opponent could hit the ball at my feet causing me to pop it up. I hope this helps. Thanks for the suggestion of making a video explaining this.
I think the principles are actually similar. If you hit (and recognize) a successful 3rd shot drop then crash the net like you would a good, deep return, but if you either shot is sub-par then you may have to strategically work your way up to the NVZ with multiple shots. A good tip for either scenario is to split-step as soon as your opponent is about to hit their shot rather than to continuously run forward. Briones actually has a better video about these concepts, but I can't find it; it may be when he was with PrimeTime Pickleball.
Illegal serves - who should tell a player? Or should you tell another player? and if so, when? Start of game, after game? Personally, I don't think these are 3.0 players. But they do seem to be having fun and that's important. Love your videos.
Thanks for watching. A lot of players, especially beginners, don't know what she is doing is illegal. I would simply point it out after the game. I can promise you she has no clue her serve is illegal. That's because, probably, before walking on to a pickleball court.l, she never took the time to read the rules or studier the proper way to play effectively. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I think she (or anyone) should be told as soon as it is noticed. She would probably be glad to be 'taught' something she didn't know. I also don't think they are 3.0. I am a 3.5 and play with quite a few 3.0's, and they are all better than these folks. Thanks for the videos.
2.75-3.0 level. they are having fun, but have no 3rd shot drops, lack patience and direction. They are keeping the ball in play, but that's because most shots are high. A 3.25 team would crush them and run them ragged. Lessons would really be helpful for all of them.
I played with hundreds of players every week. I would say, maybe 10% have ever taken a lesson. Today, I played against someone I had never played against before. My partner had played against him so I asked my partner about his ability. My partner told me he was relatively new to pickleball, but was a very good tennis player. Before the game started, I told my partner I'm expecting three things from him. Number one. He will play from the back of the court and never move forward. That's exactly what he did. Number two. He will simply hit the ball as hard as he can. That's exactly what he did. No touch. Forget about a third shot drop. Number three. Will put spin on the ball. He did. Unfortunately for him, most of his spin shots went out of the court or into the net. We won 11-2. Thanks for watching.
Great commentary and helpful pointers. I actually play with 3 out of the 4 people in this video. (Not black cap banger) I’ll let them know that this video gives constructive criticisms of their play! Ps - I’ll let the lady in this video know her serve is illegal 😅
There's a group near me that says they are "high level players" they play EXACTLY like this 🤦 I find it difficult to play with them all they do is slam the hell out of everything with lack of intent , pop everything up no finesse at all. And that lady throwing the ball down if you said something I almost guarantee she would argue she's doing anything wrong. This type of play is annoying at best.
You're right! I see this all the time. And I think you are correct. If you called her out on her illegal serve, she'd have no idea what you were talking about. Thanks for watching.
The lady in the near court has an illegal serve and the guy in the near court foot faults when he serves. Example is at 18:12 and throughout the game. They all must be pretty new.
Maybe they are trying to make a 3rd shot drop but aren't good at it and just hitting it too high. I've done that several times. I know what I'm trying to do but just don't execute.
A lot of people, who want to play pickleball, just step on a court and start swinging away without knowing anything about the game. Thanks for watching.
This is so cringey. This is exactly the same recreational play I see in indoor at all the san diego recreational centers. It is painful to watch. It's painful to be partnered up with these people. It's painful to be the one resetting only for your partner to constantly drive it and your reset meant nothing. This is negative 3.0 pickleball because it's thinking backwards. If you're this bad, the smart thing to do is sit down and watch what successful people do and JUST COPY THEM. Simple as that. Watch a good match at your local rec and JUST COPY the patterns that successful people do. And that also goes with life in general.
I totally understand what you're saying. I see it all the time as well. Especially with new players, who just pick up a paddle, step on a court and have no idea what they are doing. They never take the time to learn and are doing the exact same thing 6 months down the road. Thanks for watching.
I bet you’re fun and helpful to play with! We are here to learn and improve..and it takes time and practice. COPYING someone (if you don’t comprehend what they are doing) is not likely to help very quickly. If someone said; let’s go ski a double black diamond hill, just copy me…it would be disastrous. I’m sorry that less than your level players are cringey and painful to be around. Hopefully your courts are set up to where you can play skill matched opponents. I cringe when looked down upon by higher level players knowing how painful it is for them to play with me-it takes the fun out of it and does not help my learning.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 this is play expected with players@the 6 month level - it’s really disappointing when players are doing this after playing a couple of years! If they r having ‘fun’ that’s great but it’s painful to be stuck with them sometimes @open play! I always tell people to go to UA-cam and look for videos on tips like yours. Thx Rory for your time😊
3.0 Rory ? That's very generous .I don't think any of them have much of a clue about anything . Hopefully, they'll watch this video of themselves and learn something from your comments .
Maybe so. However, the best thing for them to do is to watch the video and see exactly what they did incorrectly without my pick apart. If you've never videoed your games and watched them to see how you play, you'll never know exactly how good or bad you are. Most players think they play better than they actually do. Thanks for watching.
That's what I'm saying . But without your commentary, they are not likely to learn or recognize much of anything . If they could without your's or someone else's advice , they'd already be doing it .
I don't think it is fair to attribute the struggles these players are having to lack of intent. It is difficult to tell from watching others whether they don't have intent about what they are trying to accomplish with a shot or whether their accuracy doesn't allow them to consistently accomplish what they intend. I know there are many times when I have the intent to hit a third shot drop and what anyone observing would see is me teeing the ball up in the opponents put-away zone. The fact that many shots go into the net or well long is a strong indication that execution is the culprit rather than lack of intent. (Nobody intends to do those things.)
I gave the guy in blue credit for trying. However, other times the ball was just hit right into the putaway zone on the third shot with no purpose. When I see that I have to think, what are these players thinking is going to happen? Thanks for watching.
Hi Rory, I'd love for you to make more videos in the 3.5-4.0 range. I started watching your channel when I was at a 3.0 level. As I'm getting better (now a 3.5), I want to see more videos in the higher levels. Not sure what others think. Thank you.
Okay. I'll search more of those out. Thanks for the suggestion.
I would also like to see more 3.5-4.0 analysis. I have been seeing a lot of your 2.75-3.0 videos lately. They all start to look the same. Lets see some videos where the skill level is higher. Thanks.
Agreed --I have to guess your biggest audience is the 3.5 to 4.0 level though I do love the higher level pick a parts as well@@pickleballpick-apart9787
Would love to see this sort of hitting shots with intent stuff in a 3.5-3.75 kind of game.
To your point and one of the comments I saw here, a year and a half ago, I was a 3.0-3.5 type, over relying on athleticism, but it wasn't until the game really slowed down (less happy feet, more of a plan with what to do with the ball) for me that I was able to get to the 3.75 or near 4.0 type level.
Awesome! Thanks for the suggestion. I'll get to one soon.
I hate to disagree with you Rory. These players are 2.0 level. LOL
OK. Maybe I was being generous. Thanks for watching.
Hey Rory!
Interesting video. I'm a chess player, so I can relate to this!
At this level, the players are not thinking of intent. Their primary purpose with their shots is pretty clear: 1) Hit the ball hard or with spin to try to get a winner, or 2) Simply keep the ball in play with shots that they're comfortable with.
These players are missing 3 key elements:
-Overall understanding of the incredible importance of getting to the kitchen. They might have a vague understanding that it's better to get to the kitchen, but they're more comfortable hitting lobs and hard drives at the baseline or even the transition zone, rather than setting themselves up to get to the kitchen.
-Technical skills to drop the ball into the kitchen consistently. Once in a while a player might try to drop the ball into the kitchen...and that's great! The guy in blue tried to, and yes, he deserves credit, even when his attempts fail.
-Confidence to use a drop. This is because they don't have the technical skill to pull it off consistently and are afraid to hit the ball high for an opponent put-away or into the net because they don't have enough touch.
Rec games are still competitive, and people want to win! Hence, they'll revert back to what is comfortable for them...even if it stalls their growth. I see many players peak in their development because they're unwilling to risk losing in rec play by committing to using drops. They just don't have confidence in their technical skills or touch. So they revert to drives, or worst yet, lobs. If players would commit to practicing their drops, even at the risk of losing points, they would become stronger overall players in the long run. But this is easier said than done for most players.
PS - these players all have the physical skills to move well past 3.0. But they would need to adjust their mindset in order to grow.
This is such an excellent post for so many reasons. What amazes me, is, even in tournaments, most players at the 3.0, 3.5 and sometimes 4.0 level cannot hit consistent third shot drops or resets. Some players don't even attempt them. It is something I pride myself in. When I first started playing pickeball, I had no clue what a third shot drop was. But, once I found out what it was and how important it is to being successful, it was my goal to master it. So, I bought a Spin Shot pickleball ball machine and every day, for quite some time, I'd hit 300 third shot drops a day. I'd place four hula hoops at different locations in the kitchen and try to drop my third shots into the hoops. Today, if I'm playing indoors, my goal is to get 90% of them in. Outdoors, depending on the wind, I'm happy with 70% and thrilled with 80% or above. Of course, I do hit third shot drives if a get a shallow return, or, if the player returning the ball does not move forward. Thanks for watching.
In working with new pickleball players I have found it challenging to get them to recognize that in pickleball your play won't improve to higher levels until you work on developing your soft shot when you are in a defensive position to your opponents. To overcome their fear of messing up a soft shot I have the players play a match where they lose the point if they volley the ball. In the beginning, the points are short because of the lack of skill of the players being able to hit good soft shots but as play goes on they begin to get a better feel for their soft shot and they actually enjoy getting some dinking play into their game. Playing enough of these types of games gets players to change their mindsets on volleying all their shots.
That's a great idea. I never thought of that. I might have to use it when I'm working with newer players. Thanks.
At what point of learning the game does strategy and intentional shots become as ingrained as basic shot mechanics? I’ve been playing a year and have been focusing on understanding scoring, serves with intent and strategy, moving up as quickly as possible, third shot drops, reacting to bangers and having fun? I get that you are trying to demonstrate “how not to play” here (by all the negative comments it’s a wonder they should show their faces on a court) but there is little suggestions on how they learn to improve?
Thanks for watching. I try to keep videos to under 25 minutes. My next one will probably show players who are thinking ahead when playing.
My experience (3.5 on the cusp of moving up) has been that up to 3.25 or so you can win a *lot* of points by just being consistent and persistent. Not much intent necessary. At 3.5+ that starts to change. Opponents will still make plenty of mistakes in both tactics and execution, sure, but not enough to count on to win games. You have to think more and more about how to draw opponents this way or that, to *create* gaps for the eventual winner, or sometimes just to buy time for your own motion. The standard serve/return/third strategies are really just this for the game's most common scenario, which is why e.g. third-shot drops are the key to 3.75; after that it's more about learning to do the same in the general run of play.
They do stand back on return of serve, and stay back after a serve, so I think they've taken a few lessons, but should invest in more, as they all have the ability to be 3-3.5's with some good instruction. Having fun is the main goal at this level, and I think they reach that goal.
I think they did. Thanks for watching.
Agree with what you are saying. My perspective is that this is the kind of play you see when players do not have a third shot drop. The only thing left is drives and lobs. It does not matter what the intent is? They are just short on the skill of third shot drops.
That's a good point. But still, if they had never played the game before and they're hitting a third shot high and lofted into the air, what are they expecting to happen? And, over a short period of time, shouldn't they figure it out?
Well, to be fair, this is relatively beginner/beginner + rec play. When I was at that level, yes, I was intent on hitting the ball back over the net, and think Yay, Me! I am definitely getting better with practice and drilling, but having the ability to quickly--like nano-second-quick think of not only reaching the ball, but hitting the ball, getting it over the net, and then to add on top of that PLACING the ball...and then to be thinking a few shots ahead...well, for people who do not have a natural, innate athleticism (like me), it's really struggle to think multiple shots ahead, especially when you're already past the third or fourth shot in a play. That's probably why I'll never be a 4.5 or above (maybe, at best, a 4.0 if I really work at it), I just do not have that natural athleticism that advanced strategic play requires and once a firefight starts or the pace quickens, it's about all I can do to just hit the ball. Pickleball is great because you can still have fun anyway, and these folks are having fun, and definitely have the ability to take their game up a notch or two. If one has natural athleticism, it's really hard to understand how hard it is for those of us who don't have it. Example, I'm very musically-inclined, and it's hard to see how someone who claims they are tone-deaf can't "get" certain aspects of music. Thinking fast on your feet multiple steps ahead....it's just REALLY hard for some, if not many, folks. Can you improve? Sure....but I'd say it's MUCH harder for us non-athletic people than it is for those natural athletes. Well, I'm wandering here. I just see myself in my earlier pickleball days like these folks; I've been thinking a lot about this as I've had friends start playing after I've been playing for years, and advance much further than I have, and actually leave me behind, so I have a soft spot for these guys! They'll get better!
First, thanks for taking the time to write your lengthy reply. It all makes sense. I will however, have to disagree a little about natural athleticism. Quite often, I play against players more than half my age. They are much more athletic, have better reflexes and better hand-eye coordination. However, if they are positioned improperly on the court, are hitting shots with no intent and do not have a generally understanding of how the game is supposed to be played, I can compete and often defeat them. And, that's what I love about pickleball. It is possible to outsmart your opponent no matter how much more athletic they are. Again, thanks for your reply. (I'm a musician as well. Drums, piano, guitar. I was never a singer, but, always wanted to be. So, 10 years ago I began taking singing lessons and really worked on my voice. And, guess what? Within a year I was singing on stage and have been doing so for quite some time.)
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Thanks Rory. That type of strategic play is what I will be working on, but alot of this goes out the window after about the 5th shot in the play and things get going fast! I know strategy can outplay, or at least even the odds, athleticism to a point, but in the long run, that, overall, is a big hump to overcome if you're at your best and still don't have that innate ability to read the play, read the court, and think on your feet when the ball is coming quickly. Thanks for your response and the music story!
Probably one of the biggest strides I made forward is from being happy to make a difficult dig or return a difficult shot to having the intent to return a difficult dig or shot as a reset. Obviously, it is difficult to do but just digging or returning a tough shot with no intent is more often than not coming back at me hard. One advantage of a third shot drive is that it often sets up a much easier 5th shot drop. I saw a few nice drives but they didn't take advantage of them.
Getting a good dig back is a good thing. The player should be happy with that.
I’ve been playing for four months now and am still in survival mode trying to keep the ball in play long enough for the opponent to make a mistake. Playing with intent and doing a lot of solo drills with intent is my intended next step. It’s challenging enough to make it interesting.
Me too on the 4th month of playing pickle ball. Unfortunately these players look a lot like me! I can learn from this !
Hi Rory, thank for your videos, they are all very helpful. You speak a lot about how you can not / should be moving as you are making your way to the non-volley zone when you are hitting your return through the transition zone. I was wondering if you had any video's or can make one highlighting the proper technique of getting set to hit your shot as you try to make your way to the non volley zone.
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The link Jared posted below, is Briones cautioning players not to move forward after hitting a third shot. I'm pretty sure you're asking about moving forward when returning a serve. The two things are totally different. For me, it depends on how deep the serve is. if the serve is, say, midcourt and I'm positioned behind the service line, of course, I have to move forward to hit it. So, I take two steps, or more if needed, hit it and continue moving forward and my momentum will get me to the non-volley zone. If the serve is deep, with my feet set, I hit a very lofted deep return which allows me time to get established at the non-volley zone before my opponent hits the ball. The key is the getting the ball to stay in the air longer and moving forward the second the ball comes off your paddle. For two reasons, I very seldom hit hard, line-drive returns. Reason number one, the chances of me hitting a winner are rare. Reason number two, I could get caught in the transition zone and my opponent could hit the ball at my feet causing me to pop it up. I hope this helps. Thanks for the suggestion of making a video explaining this.
I think the principles are actually similar. If you hit (and recognize) a successful 3rd shot drop then crash the net like you would a good, deep return, but if you either shot is sub-par then you may have to strategically work your way up to the NVZ with multiple shots. A good tip for either scenario is to split-step as soon as your opponent is about to hit their shot rather than to continuously run forward. Briones actually has a better video about these concepts, but I can't find it; it may be when he was with PrimeTime Pickleball.
Can you provide some examples of strategies or set ups? I know about 3rd shot drops vs. drives but what other set ups are there?
I'll try to do that. One setup is moving your opponents around the court.
Illegal serves - who should tell a player? Or should you tell another player? and if so, when? Start of game, after game?
Personally, I don't think these are 3.0 players. But they do seem to be having fun and that's important. Love your videos.
Thanks for watching. A lot of players, especially beginners, don't know what she is doing is illegal. I would simply point it out after the game. I can promise you she has no clue her serve is illegal. That's because, probably, before walking on to a pickleball court.l, she never took the time to read the rules or studier the proper way to play effectively. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I think she (or anyone) should be told as soon as it is noticed. She would probably be glad to be 'taught' something she didn't know. I also don't think they are 3.0. I am a 3.5 and play with quite a few 3.0's, and they are all better than these folks. Thanks for the videos.
2.75-3.0 level. they are having fun, but have no 3rd shot drops, lack patience and direction. They are keeping the ball in play, but that's because most shots are high. A 3.25 team would crush them and run them ragged. Lessons would really be helpful for all of them.
I played with hundreds of players every week. I would say, maybe 10% have ever taken a lesson. Today, I played against someone I had never played against before. My partner had played against him so I asked my partner about his ability. My partner told me he was relatively new to pickleball, but was a very good tennis player. Before the game started, I told my partner I'm expecting three things from him. Number one. He will play from the back of the court and never move forward. That's exactly what he did. Number two. He will simply hit the ball as hard as he can. That's exactly what he did. No touch. Forget about a third shot drop. Number three. Will put spin on the ball. He did. Unfortunately for him, most of his spin shots went out of the court or into the net. We won 11-2. Thanks for watching.
Great commentary and helpful pointers. I actually play with 3 out of the 4 people in this video. (Not black cap banger) I’ll let them know that this video gives constructive criticisms of their play!
Ps - I’ll let the lady in this video know her serve is illegal 😅
Thanks for watching and thanks for seeing it as constructive criticism. Not me, just being a jerk. LOL!
There's a group near me that says they are "high level players" they play EXACTLY like this 🤦 I find it difficult to play with them all they do is slam the hell out of everything with lack of intent , pop everything up no finesse at all. And that lady throwing the ball down if you said something I almost guarantee she would argue she's doing anything wrong. This type of play is annoying at best.
You're right! I see this all the time. And I think you are correct. If you called her out on her illegal serve, she'd have no idea what you were talking about. Thanks for watching.
Let's name this shot. The tee-up.
I like that. I usually call them lollipops. Thanks for watching.
The lady in the near court has an illegal serve and the guy in the near court foot faults when he serves. Example is at 18:12 and throughout the game. They all must be pretty new.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Maybe they are trying to make a 3rd shot drop but aren't good at it and just hitting it too high. I've done that several times. I know what I'm trying to do but just don't execute.
I totally understand. Your mind can't get your body to do what it's trying to do. Lol. Thanks for watching.
That is what is like to play with 2.5 players . No point to this as they need to learn how to play first , you even mentioned the illegal hit
A lot of people, who want to play pickleball, just step on a court and start swinging away without knowing anything about the game. Thanks for watching.
Ugh! That was painful to watch.
Yeah, but, thanks for watching.
This is so cringey. This is exactly the same recreational play I see in indoor at all the san diego recreational centers. It is painful to watch. It's painful to be partnered up with these people. It's painful to be the one resetting only for your partner to constantly drive it and your reset meant nothing. This is negative 3.0 pickleball because it's thinking backwards. If you're this bad, the smart thing to do is sit down and watch what successful people do and JUST COPY THEM. Simple as that. Watch a good match at your local rec and JUST COPY the patterns that successful people do. And that also goes with life in general.
I totally understand what you're saying. I see it all the time as well. Especially with new players, who just pick up a paddle, step on a court and have no idea what they are doing. They never take the time to learn and are doing the exact same thing 6 months down the road. Thanks for watching.
I bet you’re fun and helpful to play with! We are here to learn and improve..and it takes time and practice. COPYING someone (if you don’t comprehend what they are doing) is not likely to help very quickly. If someone said; let’s go ski a double black diamond hill, just copy me…it would be disastrous. I’m sorry that less than your level players are cringey and painful to be around. Hopefully your courts are set up to where you can play skill matched opponents. I cringe when looked down upon by higher level players knowing how painful it is for them to play with me-it takes the fun out of it and does not help my learning.
Oh stop it! It's rec play! Not everyone has the same goals as you when it comes to pickleball.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 this is play expected with players@the 6 month level - it’s really disappointing when players are doing this after playing a couple of years! If they r having ‘fun’ that’s great but it’s painful to be stuck with them sometimes @open play!
I always tell people to go to UA-cam and look for videos on tips like yours. Thx Rory for your time😊