Don't forget there's a hex/Allen keyway in the bottom of those disposals that you can manually turn and often free up the motor when it jams like that. Years of honeydo fixes taught me that 😁
@K05 T4R The liquid injected is an enzyme to help break down the waste. This model is meant to be used in a home with a septic tank so the enzyme helps with the extra waste going into the tank. It's probably better not to have a disposal with a septic system though.
@@jeddavis8468 right, but enzyme treatments are not good for septic systems either, and the organic solids are very bad and don't break down! best solution, don't use the disposal but for very minimal scraps that you'd say wash off before putting in dishwasher or letting sit, best yet don't use it at all!
@@throttlebottle5906 I don't like the idea of a disposal with a septic tank. Better to compost the scraps along with your grass and leaves. Makes wonderful garden soil.
Things were going just fine here, getting caught up in garage, lifes good. Wife watched this with me this morning,says Ivan is really nice. Now She's makin a list! Thanks a lot Buddy!!
Congratulations on a great diagnostic video. I really learned something. I just had one of these quit like this, and I figured it had to either have a start capacitor or a start winding not getting turned on, but I didn't realize it was this easy to get them apart and get down into the motor, or I would never have tossed it out.
Youre just like me. I cant justify throwing out an expensive item because 9 times out of 10 its less than a $10 fix. You just need to have patience and the confidence to take things apart and see how they work for yourself! You have nothing to lose because its broken anyway! Nice work as always
1st clue as to a different type of Ivan video, it's 110v AC! Different lingo used such as: Pinchy thing Foam thingy Pumpy thing - - OIl Drain pan under kitchen sink ;) He probably took the wife's large salad bowl out into the garage to drain old motor oil in! Great Video. Truly.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics the tool you used to loosen the connection collar at the top is the same one that fits into the bottom of the disposal to turn the disposal manually.
there's also a double T shape tool that goes in from the top and has a pivoting piece on the bottom that turns against the breaker ears inside allowing you to rotate and un-jam it. providing the shaft seal isn't toast and bearings rusted from water entering them :) if it has the allen key hole in bottom of motor shaft, it should be 1/4" (not all brands have them!) example www.homedepot.com/p/InSinkErator-Jam-Buster-Wrench-Accessory-for-Garbage-Disposals-WRN-00/100135761 example of other type un-jamming wrench. www.homedepot.com/p/MOEN-Garbage-Disposal-Unjamming-Wrench-1037/301296781
Nice repair, it's VERY obvious most folks made their comments without bothering to watch the actual video. The only issue I agree with is that the solids are not good for the septic, but as you pump it every 3 years anyway that isn't an issue. We used to pump ours every couple years because the leech field failed. New field installed and no problems since. Although I did install a couple 8" ports with ground access and no digging in the top of the tank long ago just to make it easier to pump.
Ivan you make me so jealous of your knowledge of practical things. I do hope that you one day will instruct students on how to do things and how to logically attack problems. Good job!
Hey Ivan Another great video. Electrical codes vary from municipalities even though there is a national electrical code. The NEC is the minimum requirement. Usually one would find an duplex outlet under the sink. One for the dishwasher the other for the disposal. "A means of disconnect". Essentially two separate circuits to one receptical. The electrician breaks the the connecting tabs on the hot and the neutral. Generally speaking there would be a small appliance cord connected to both machines. Armored cable completely unnecessary and not required. Also lock out-tag out on the breaker of the circuit one is working on. There is a requirement referred to as "In sight". The breaker or fuse needs to be within sight of the machine if there is no means of disconnect at the machine.Switches in off positions don't count. Great job. Happy Wife happy life!
I’ve looked at my mother in laws garbage disposal. She wasn’t so lucky. Each time I replaced hers the little dogs that spin around and chop things up were worn and loose. Had to be replaced. Some of them disposals just aren worth saving. Never hurts to try though. Sometimes they are just loaded with food and just need a little cleaning or in your case missing some screws. Nice work Ivan.
Yup I agree with DIY Dave, I've done my own with allen wrench and red reset button too. Awesome Ivan, keep doing home repair content, it's cool beans!!!
I vote for using the Allen Key and hot water, instead of a trip to the Big Box Store. Last resort before the Big Box Store trip would have been to push it firmly back together and wrap the seam with reinforced Gaffer's Tape. It ran for 15 years without the bolts; so it should have been able to keep going with a little TLC. If you are on a septic tank system, as I suspect you may be, you know you're just filling up your tank with fibrous material that the bacteria can't digest. That being said, you did a great job of re-engineering that Insinkerator - it's good for another 15 years, at least.
Hi my friend, any pleasant work outside of the home’s work space makes us free for things outside the workshop and cars, but it is fun in our situation.
Did the same and got a 1hp Wasteking. That thing could chip a broomhandle if I wanted to. Anything I put down it is pulverized including chicken bones.
So you figured out how to save a dead disposal. That's awesome. I just replaced mine for doing the same thing assuming it was shot. Never thought about opening it up. Of course Ivan does :)
Good info. Mine did the no start & hum, checked and nothing stuck in it. Spun it around a few times and then turn on and it would work for a few startups, then back to no start & hum. Spun it around again and same thing, would start and run and after a few times of turning it off and on, back to the hum. So, the pattern repeats itself over and over. Guess it is time to take it out and troubleshoot the motor. Be back soon I hope.
Nice! Can't believe that thing worked that long with no bolts! What a riot! 🤣 Always pays to attempt a fix on these things. I've fixed my 17 year old Maytag washer and dryer a few times, along with the 16 year old Maytag dishwasher. Thankfully Maytag was still made in the USA in those days, and still had a bit of quality left in them. The washing machine one time wouldn't go to the spin cycle. It would try, then as soon as the slightest imbalance happened, it would kick off and try again. It would do this all day long if you weren't home! Computer controlled, so it had codes for the imbalance limit switch tripping. I took it apart, and found that a stupid chunk of foam used for sound damping had fallen down and wedged itself in between the limit switch, and the drum contact point - it was about 10" long! There's alot of wiggle room in this thing! That drum can really jump around. At least that was an easy fix - remove the foam, reassemble, and she's been great for the past 12 years. We dump all our food stuff outside. I never liked the idea of having a garbage disposal with a septic tank, but people do it all the time without problems. I'm sure you have a septic tank too, just based on how your neighborhood looks - rural, just like mine. :) Here in MA a septic failure will bankrupt you if the state finds out about it, so I take extreme measures to make sure it won't fail. I screen every little food particle out at the drains, and we put nothing into the tank except water, soap, and what comes out of our bodies. I'm also fanatical about keeping my wife's 4' hair strands out of the drains, too. 😁
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics - I hear that, Ivan. Then the 21st-century came and ruined everything LOL! From pick up trucks to toasters, they’re all junk now. 😖
I had once bragged to change one of those out in a tent house in less than 5:00 exactly. And I did it..... twice. In the fury of beating my self imposed time limit.... I broke the seal on the sink strainer. Pride comes IMMEDIATELY before the fall. Still a good memory in the lesson learned.
I think that was a 'number 10 machine screw' thread. It won't make as fun a video, but usually, if it hums but won't run, the motor is trying to run, but the shaft is bound. Corrosion can cause it to happen on an old unit. You can often get it to run by turning it back & forth with a pry bar, while applying a liberal WD-40 spraying down inside there, until it eventually frees up. I fought mine for about a half hour last year, until I finally got it to start and run all by itself. There is a thermal cut off switch to protect the motor. So if you keep it switched on without it being able to turn, the switch will cut off the power, and you can occupy yourself fighting turning it while cursing, until it cools enough to see if it will start itself and run. No hum heard means the circuit is still open and you need to wait until it cools some more. Like an AC compressor, it won't stay energized for long, without it actually running. Using the pry bar with the switch on is not a good idea. They will freeze up from no use, if the upper bearing is old. I won't make that no use mistake again. Once I finally got it to run freely, it has worked fine ever since. I click it on once a week, even though I hardly ever actually use it.
Looks like Ivan had no trouble remounting sink to disposer but if others do,make sure that the rubber gasket groove is 100% cleaned out !Drove me nuts 40 yrs ago when I did my first insinkerator.Maybe newer models don't have that problem ,I just threw it out there ,just in case.
Ivan, you can fix ANYTHING! Maybe this lends credence to my theory: when you fix one thing, there is an expectation for you to fix others. To the uninitiated, it's all the same - something they don't understand or want to learn about. To those who work on things, there are simple and complex mechanisms, some that are extremely challenging.
All mechanical and electrical devices work on the same principles - understand those, (along with a little logic), and you can usually work out what's going on. Complexity is usually those principles stacked on top of each other.
@@Cheepchipsablethanks for this! Just now getting into mechanical and electrical maintenance and repair. I’m no where near anything like you guys are but I do have that hunger to learn like @dustcommander100 mentioned. Something clicked recently and I’ve been hooked ever since. I did get discouraged a little when I was trying to wrap my head around how steam engines work and pressure chambers but from your comment it sounds like I need to just slow down and start with basics, and take each section bit by bit. So basically I appreciate your comment. I hope y’all actually read this lol y’all commented like a year ago 😂
Good job diagnosing the cause of the no-start. One suggestion: put some thread locker, such as like Loctite, on the all-thread end that screws into the motor casting to prevent vibration from shaking it loose over time.
Great job Ivan! I like having a power cord with an AC plug wired into my disposal and that yellow AC supply going to a dedicated box outlet under the sink. This makes service much easier. Unless there is local code against that arrangement.
I've always used an Allen wrench at the bottom of the unit and rotate it back and forth. That always worked till something broke loose and the unit died. Bought a new one, back in business again. My house will be 30 years old in June this year. With other items going out, I wish it were just a garbage disposal unit! The joys of owning a house......HA, HA!
Thank you for keeping all of us distracted and entertained from the un-seeable danger of a virus. I never miss one of you great videos. Most DIY’s take things apart to see how it works but you fix it . BIG THANKS AGAIN BILL N LINY
You GOT ME Ivan,i LEFT the bolts out because my shift on the assembly line was ending in 2 minutes and i ran out of bolts.So i just put masking tape to hold the 2 halves together for the packaging dept. to box it and ship it out.!!! In my defense >>..IT does come with a ten year WARRANTY so i figured I'm not really screwing anybody over,as you say, you got at least 15 years before an issue RIGHT?You did a great fix,and hey you're a HERO to your wife,and we all know what reward you received that evening {wink wink}So you should be thanking ME.haha
If there were no bolts, the stator and rotor could touch each others. My desktop air blower has that kind of trouble. It jammed and sound was just like in your motor. There is a shaded pole motor on my air blower. I managed to fix it with repositioning the rotor axle. Nice vid by the way.
A few things that I have learned about disposals, run cool water when you put things down the disposal, it will help to keep the motor windings cool. Put ice cubes down the disposal once in a while to help keep it clean. The chunks of ice will clean out any food left, and the ice will keep the motor cool.
Great video Ivan , Can’t believe it ran so long without bolts, put a few ice cubes and run cold water down the disposal while it’s running and that will sharpen your blades
So, not fitting four bolts equals 15 years plus of faultless operation, next models will have six bolts missing 👍. Great vlog Ivan, stay safe all and thanks for sharing.
I like how the more expensive quieter one is exactly the same as the cheap one, just with a plastic tub and foam over top. I just replaced one of these at Christmas - the inside of yours looks identical to the base model that was originally installed. If the "grinding chamber" is plastic, they all seem to crack after a while and leak! And you can't buy just the chamber plastic, it's pretty much Game Over and replace the whole unit. Only difference is the base model does include the bolts to keep it together!
Either a capacitor or a centrifugally activated start/run switch is possibly the cause of the no start. If local code permits, installing the disposer with a pigtail and plug can make servicing somewhat easier.
Wow, ivan that's great video. Now you're cooped up in the house. Now Amanda has you doing all the DIY repairs in the house that she's been begging you to do lol, this video was epic cuz you putting pry bar in the disposal while on lol. Classic one lol. Would be hilarious if the bar did a dancing thing If it went off, lmao. No bolts????? Surprised it worked up to now!! Awesome video!
Good repair ! The plumber who installed that had to have gotten that through other sources ! Apparently the "balls out" theory still applies today. Something I noticed over the years with modern faucets with older homes and newer plumbing accessories such as toilets, garbage disposals, main plumbing lines and so forth is, the volume of water being used to flush debris through the device and plumbing lines is way less than the house and devices were designed for. Take this kitchen faucet for example, it's likely a 1.8 or 1.5 gallon per minute flow rate yet that's in most cases not enough to flush what a garbage disposal needs to flush what it chops up. What's amazing is, these newer water flow rules are not specific so anything that is replaced in an older building is subject to less flow rates and as most folks would know, the last location to skimp on flow rates is the kitchen sink. Another location that can be a problem is a bathroom toilet as plumbing lines weren't installed to deal with 1.2 gallons per flush but more like 3.0 gallon per flush. These new rules are making new problems for folks who are simply replacing what they had yet those create a completely new problem, plumbing drain lines and the slant they used to carry the flow. Can you imagine having to re-pipe your entire home sewage system just so the $150 toilet can (try to) save a few gallons over it's life? I research this problem and found that if your structure cannot function normally with the newer toilets, a licensed plumber can bypass the rule. Problem is, good luck finding a new 3.0 gallon per flush toilet that will suit your needs or a 2.5 gallon per minute faucet that fits your needs. Now a days, the faucets are machine/cast with smaller flow passages vs. depend solely on the aerator to control flows which means, even with the aerator removed, the faucet will still only flow the rated GPM. How wonderful. Now the Mrs. can be confident the electrical works 100% and have no worries. Not so sure about those disposals that sell for $89 Costco, reviews are positive and some negative.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Could be but likely only within the aerator if fixture is 4 or more years old. Only the newer fixtures are getting new castings and machine work. So far, best ones to consider are Hans Grohe in my opinion. Most specs for kitchen faucets are 2.2 gpm I believe just like a shower head fixture. Newer ones are about 1.5 which just aren't enough to keeps drains out of harm's way. Certainly it doesn't make any sense to have water conserving fixtures on bath tubs, bathroom jacuzzis, kitchen faucets and swimming pool filler fixtures. They require a certain amount of water whether it takes 3 minutes to fill them or 3 hours. A stupid idea not thought out well. Some folks need a demand for water in certain jobs, others will waste it regardless of flow rates.
Its amazing what one can fix if they have the want or need to. My home ac condenser fan doesnt function, a quick youtube search and I now know how to test it. Will bring my meter home from work tomorrow and get the issue figured out. Already have found a new motor on ebay should I need it. Never had interest in working on my home ac until I paid a repair company over $300 dollar to replace the capacitor on the outside unit.
@@serge4856 Err-Nope ! Of course,we could always have Eric (Hi there viewers) O removing earwax from a female patient with his super long extension-Wonder what he'd say ????
The one at my GF's apartment back in the day would get a good work out. You wanna see the whole sink shake, dump some corn on the cobs down there. Also if Diag-Dog there is like my dog, she helps by staying under foot.
We had that problem , my dad used to push it with a wooden spoon and turn it on at the same time. Mum complained that the the wodden spoons were all getting shorter. Ours had leaked sludge and slime into the motor so there was little point trying to fix it.
She looked amazed that is he fixed it. I was shaking my head while he was taking it apart, but I have been there, what do you have to loose. I was for sure there was nothing to fix in there....
lol, two main reasons they seize up and don't run. someone put junk down it that jammed it up (many things do that) the second main reason, someone left it on running dry and ruined the shaft seal, letting water into the motor bearings rusting them into place. other issue, garbage disposals are a big cause of septic tank and sewer line issues. they clog both, but they overload septic systems with organic solids which cannot be broken down by the bacteria in them. I suggest never using a disposal with a septic system, if you insist look around for treatment enzymes, but those are not great for them either! best thing to do is proper compost in the back yard and send the rest of food waste off in the garbage. or toss out into the woods as rodent feed (far from your home! lol)
I’m guessing that you’re not on city sewer by the looks of the surroundings at your house and you have a septic system. Putting scraps down the sink is not good for a septic system. Great video! Love what you do!
Ivan I hope you did a better job on the wiring from the unit to the wall You need a gpo outlet rated cord on unit then you can remove easily next i.e unplug service replace.
Ha! Looking for a YT vid before I crack the Insinkerator and who do I find? Ivan from 4 years ago!!! So, which scanner is best for this application? I have no voltage on pin 16. Mine has the bolts but they're E-Torx. Set comes on Friday. Simple device. Should be an easy fix. Catch you on your next vid.
I have the exact same problem! I removed the unit and then turned it upside down and plugged in and it runs fine but when right side up, it hums and won't run.
Newbie here.. I am at the part where I have tried turning the motor with an Alan key removing the device and poking around with a screw driver. Do I absolutlry need to go in depth this far if all of the above didn't work and just get a new machine? I don't have most of the equipment besides the screw driver.
Thanks for posting. My insinkerator had "sticking problems after 18 years. Everytime it would run again if I used the allen wrench but I went ahead and replaced it anyway. I wanted to know how to take the old one apart and this video was very helpful. Thanks again. I noticed you have plastic plumbing. Is that the original plumbing when you installed the disposal? I had read that plastic doesn't last as long, but when I replaced my disposal I had to replace two pieces (p-trap and T-connector) because the chrome plated brass parts had corroded. Funny that your disposal didn't have those long bolts. When I took mine apart, the first thing I had to do was to unscrew two long bolts from the bottom of the disposal. Your disposal had holes for 4 long bolts.
Ivan, the real Russian fix would be to recycle those peelings in a compost bin or feed them to the chickens. An insinkerator is too bourgeois capitalist lol. Good fix ,you're the man for all seasons.
I second recycling all those peelings. Not only is there lots of natural energy there to be converted to food and nutrients for soil by worms or soldier fly larva, but disposals that are used a lot inevitably lead to plumbing issues. As a handyman by vocation, I have had to replace drain pipes leading from kitchens multiple times because the food waste was so packed in that i couldn't snake it. And twice that has meant chiseling up the concrete slab to get to it. I keep a plastic coffee can with lid next to my sink and all the scraps go there and then taken outside every other day or so.
so far quarantine I've done almost nothing, except mounted an air hose reel in and ran some 40' of line to it and drained the poor compressor tank, which must have had 5 gallons of water or more (about 120 gallon tank, after measuring it) there's lots of other (half-completed) projects to do, but I don't want to do any of it, although I am getting bored of computer/it only junk.
While you had it apart , it might had been a great time to change out the blades ! They probably hadn't been replaced since new , either . Just saying ! Great job - Eric O. will be proud!
Some use a centrifugal switch. Some use a potential relay that will kick out when it senses the current being generated by the motor or the back feed it generates.
Nice bit of cuisine detective work with some keen observations and a successful outcome. Time for some Russian stew and a toast to herself. Bon apetif !! Bonus comment-- did you check the kccm ? (Kitchen computer control module)
My uncle showed me that trick about 50+ years ago, it usually works but because of the shortened filament its a lot brighter and won't last long especially if it gets a slight knock. Not easy to find an incandescent bulb nowadays, all LED and fluorescent.
Ivan is COOKING!!! My last one leaked water into the motor and on the floor...I replaced it and forgot to remove the washer tube plug...overheated and burned out the pump on the dishwasher then had to repalce the pump. :(
Extra work but it makes for a "cleaner" installation. Where the romex comes out of the wall, mount a galvanized steel Handy Box (Raco 8660) with duplex outlet and cover (Raco 864). Find a 14 gauge pigtail (old computer cords are usually only 18 gauge 😥) and cut to length. Tin the ends with solder (makes the wire nuts grip better) and feed through a plastic knock out bushing. Yeah, just put a new one in about a month a go !
Hi Ivan, Hope you and you're family are all safe and well in this difficult time🥴🤨😖 LOVING your vids as always....me thinks a clever 'cost saving' ploy by the manufacturer to save a few cents p/unit, or maybe a Friday build..(china product?)...All good, it will be something the customer might need to 'think'o'later'....(pardon the pun)....(once it's well past warranty of course)...lol. Maybe someone was in there before....(what's that rattle in there???...where did these 4 bolts come from/go to??...over the shoulder...yoink....lol) I've really enjoyed your recent side-step adventures in construction equipment etc...takes me back to my roots in petrol/diesel/single phase/3 phase air compressors, gen sets, pumps, forklifts, small engines and most other types of constr./mining equipment etc. Mech.Fitter/Auto Sparky myself (strangely nowadays doing mostly Automotive diags and elect./mech. repairs, but Automotive has always been a hobby, I even still have my 1st and 2nd cars...lol) We are very similar in a lot of ways....I'd MUCH rather work on equipment than cars, but Auto. Diag. is such a little understood area and avoided by so many, there will always be work for a guy/girl that really 'gets it'. Since I was a kid, I've always wanted to know how things worked, pulled just about everything apart looking for a 'N.P.R' repair....It taught me much of what I knew before I ever did a trade.....and I've saved myself and my customers countless $$ over the years. Glad to see you saved yourself a few hunge during these difficult times...And Amanda looked a little lost for words..lol...definite bonus points there 🤣🤣👍🇦🇺
I was actually going to write 'I can't believe you don't compost all that waste Ivan!'... But then I thought to myself, maybe worms don't survive your Winter's?! 🤔
Don't forget there's a hex/Allen keyway in the bottom of those disposals that you can manually turn and often free up the motor when it jams like that. Years of honeydo fixes taught me that 😁
@K05 T4R The liquid injected is an enzyme to help break down the waste. This model is meant to be used in a home with a septic tank so the enzyme helps with the extra waste going into the tank. It's probably better not to have a disposal with a septic system though.
@@jeddavis8468 right, but enzyme treatments are not good for septic systems either, and the organic solids are very bad and don't break down! best solution, don't use the disposal but for very minimal scraps that you'd say wash off before putting in dishwasher or letting sit, best yet don't use it at all!
@@throttlebottle5906 I don't like the idea of a disposal with a septic tank. Better to compost the scraps along with your grass and leaves. Makes wonderful garden soil.
Fyi, garbage is left over cooked food, not veg and fruit peeling. Otherwise will clog every time
What if the Allen key trick doesn’t even turn?
Ivan just saved the day !! a woman’s happiness is priceless at home hehe
Things were going just fine here, getting caught up in garage, lifes good. Wife watched this with me this morning,says Ivan is really nice. Now She's makin a list! Thanks a lot Buddy!!
I had guessed that the start windings were not engaging, but I never would have guessed the cause! Good eye, Ivan! Your solution was very elegant.
Congratulations on a great diagnostic video. I really learned something. I just had one of these quit like this, and I figured it had to either have a start capacitor or a start winding not getting turned on, but I didn't realize it was this easy to get them apart and get down into the motor, or I would never have tossed it out.
A Man for All Seasons! Great fix, Ivan! Now we want to see some help for your bench grinder!
Allthread: 5$ Ivan’s smile: priceless!👍🏼
The hardest job to do...keeping the wife happy. It is a monumental task. Good repair on the veggie dicer to.
And all that without even using the Verus, amazing! 😁
I did wonder if that was going to come out.
Youre just like me. I cant justify throwing out an expensive item because 9 times out of 10 its less than a $10 fix. You just need to have patience and the confidence to take things apart and see how they work for yourself! You have nothing to lose because its broken anyway! Nice work as always
1st clue as to a different type of Ivan video, it's 110v AC!
Different lingo used such as:
Pinchy thing
Foam thingy
Pumpy thing - - OIl Drain pan under kitchen sink ;)
He probably took the wife's large salad bowl out into the garage
to drain old motor oil in! Great Video. Truly.
Nice fix, I think you and your wife make a great couple!!!!! Take good care of each other!!!!!
So far, PHAD has ascended to being public enemy no.1 with:
-auto parts stores
-construction equipment sales
-home appliance stores
And I love it! 😍👍
Great fix Ivan. Yeah... my wife gave me the Honey-doo list too! 👍😁👍
There is a place to put an Allen wrench in the bottom to break it free next time.
Joe Shearer had this problem last week and the Allen wrench at the bottom worked to free it up.
Ah thanks for the tip Joe. This thing hasn't gotten stuck in 15 years!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics the tool you used to loosen the connection collar at the top is the same one that fits into the bottom of the disposal to turn the disposal manually.
there's also a double T shape tool that goes in from the top and has a pivoting piece on the bottom that turns against the breaker ears inside allowing you to rotate and un-jam it.
providing the shaft seal isn't toast and bearings rusted from water entering them :)
if it has the allen key hole in bottom of motor shaft, it should be 1/4" (not all brands have them!) example www.homedepot.com/p/InSinkErator-Jam-Buster-Wrench-Accessory-for-Garbage-Disposals-WRN-00/100135761
example of other type un-jamming wrench. www.homedepot.com/p/MOEN-Garbage-Disposal-Unjamming-Wrench-1037/301296781
That’s what my first thought when I heard the noise.
I just had a flashback to 1979 when I first unjammed our families garbage disposal! Thanks Ivan
What brand was it , insinkerator, GE , whirlpool, Kenmore, wasteking, kitchenaid, Maytag,
@@Makesdonsdonsoney I believe it was Kelvinator, but that was a long ago!
@@jamesu it's very rare to have a kelvinator disposer I've even heard that philco made a disposer and pioneer
Nice repair, it's VERY obvious most folks made their comments without bothering to watch the actual video. The only issue I agree with is that the solids are not good for the septic, but as you pump it every 3 years anyway that isn't an issue. We used to pump ours every couple years because the leech field failed. New field installed and no problems since. Although I did install a couple 8" ports with ground access and no digging in the top of the tank long ago just to make it easier to pump.
Ivan you make me so jealous of your knowledge of practical things. I do hope that you one day will instruct students on how to do things and how to logically attack problems. Good job!
Hey Ivan
Another great video. Electrical codes vary from municipalities even though there is a national electrical code. The NEC is the minimum requirement. Usually one would find an duplex outlet under the sink. One for the dishwasher the other for the disposal. "A means of disconnect". Essentially two separate circuits to one receptical. The electrician breaks the the connecting tabs on the hot and the neutral. Generally speaking there would be a small appliance cord connected to both machines. Armored cable completely unnecessary and not required. Also lock out-tag out on the breaker of the circuit one is working on. There is a requirement referred to as "In sight". The breaker or fuse needs to be within sight of the machine if there is no means of disconnect at the machine.Switches in off positions don't count. Great job. Happy Wife happy life!
You're truly above and beyond by trying to fix this unit instead of just replacing it when the most basic replacement model is about $80.
Yeah, but you won't get one like that nice big InSinkerator for $80. They cost more like $250+.
You never cease to amaze me Ivan!
I’ve looked at my mother in laws garbage disposal. She wasn’t so lucky. Each time I replaced hers the little dogs that spin around and chop things up were worn and loose. Had to be replaced. Some of them disposals just aren worth saving. Never hurts to try though. Sometimes they are just loaded with food and just need a little cleaning or in your case missing some screws. Nice work Ivan.
Nice to see that you appreciate Debrand fine chocolates from my neck of the woods.
Awesome. Good for another 15 years. Hope you both stay safe & healthy.
Yup I agree with DIY Dave, I've done my own with allen wrench and red reset button too. Awesome Ivan, keep doing home repair content, it's cool beans!!!
I vote for using the Allen Key and hot water, instead of a trip to the Big Box Store. Last resort before the Big Box Store trip would have been to push it firmly back together and wrap the seam with reinforced Gaffer's Tape. It ran for 15 years without the bolts; so it should have been able to keep going with a little TLC. If you are on a septic tank system, as I suspect you may be, you know you're just filling up your tank with fibrous material that the bacteria can't digest. That being said, you did a great job of re-engineering that Insinkerator - it's good for another 15 years, at least.
Hi my friend, any pleasant work outside of the home’s work space makes us free for things outside the workshop and cars, but it is fun in our situation.
Changed mine out with a WasteKing a few yrs ago. The WasteKing is stainless steel with a 10+yr warranty, so hopefully it lasts.
Did the same and got a 1hp Wasteking. That thing could chip a broomhandle if I wanted to. Anything I put down it is pulverized including chicken bones.
@@cmarshall2211 those are nice $125 on Amazon with 20yr warranty
I got the same one. So quiet.
yep, those instinkerators are crapola
So you figured out how to save a dead disposal. That's awesome. I just replaced mine for doing the same thing assuming it was shot. Never thought about opening it up. Of course Ivan does :)
Good info. Mine did the no start & hum, checked and nothing stuck in it. Spun it around a few times and then turn on and it would work for a few startups, then back to no start & hum. Spun it around again and same thing, would start and run and after a few times of turning it off and on, back to the hum. So, the pattern repeats itself over and over. Guess it is time to take it out and troubleshoot the motor. Be back soon I hope.
Aloha Dr Ivan..pls continue to stay safe and healthy and your Family🙏🙏🙏
Nice! Can't believe that thing worked that long with no bolts! What a riot! 🤣 Always pays to attempt a fix on these things. I've fixed my 17 year old Maytag washer and dryer a few times, along with the 16 year old Maytag dishwasher. Thankfully Maytag was still made in the USA in those days, and still had a bit of quality left in them.
The washing machine one time wouldn't go to the spin cycle. It would try, then as soon as the slightest imbalance happened, it would kick off and try again. It would do this all day long if you weren't home! Computer controlled, so it had codes for the imbalance limit switch tripping. I took it apart, and found that a stupid chunk of foam used for sound damping had fallen down and wedged itself in between the limit switch, and the drum contact point - it was about 10" long! There's alot of wiggle room in this thing! That drum can really jump around. At least that was an easy fix - remove the foam, reassemble, and she's been great for the past 12 years.
We dump all our food stuff outside. I never liked the idea of having a garbage disposal with a septic tank, but people do it all the time without problems. I'm sure you have a septic tank too, just based on how your neighborhood looks - rural, just like mine. :) Here in MA a septic failure will bankrupt you if the state finds out about it, so I take extreme measures to make sure it won't fail. I screen every little food particle out at the drains, and we put nothing into the tank except water, soap, and what comes out of our bodies. I'm also fanatical about keeping my wife's 4' hair strands out of the drains, too. 😁
Maytag, Whirlpool, Kenmore, and Frigidaire appliances from the 80s and 90s are bombproof, and can be kept running for very cheap :)
Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics - I hear that, Ivan. Then the 21st-century came and ruined everything LOL!
From pick up trucks to toasters, they’re all junk now. 😖
I had once bragged to change one of those out in a tent house in less than 5:00 exactly. And I did it..... twice.
In the fury of beating my self imposed time limit.... I broke the seal on the sink strainer.
Pride comes IMMEDIATELY before the fall. Still a good memory in the lesson learned.
I think that was a 'number 10 machine screw' thread.
It won't make as fun a video, but usually, if it hums but won't run, the motor is trying to run, but the shaft is bound. Corrosion can cause it to happen on an old unit. You can often get it to run by turning it back & forth with a pry bar, while applying a liberal WD-40 spraying down inside there, until it eventually frees up. I fought mine for about a half hour last year, until I finally got it to start and run all by itself. There is a thermal cut off switch to protect the motor. So if you keep it switched on without it being able to turn, the switch will cut off the power, and you can occupy yourself fighting turning it while cursing, until it cools enough to see if it will start itself and run. No hum heard means the circuit is still open and you need to wait until it cools some more. Like an AC compressor, it won't stay energized for long, without it actually running. Using the pry bar with the switch on is not a good idea.
They will freeze up from no use, if the upper bearing is old. I won't make that no use mistake again. Once I finally got it to run freely, it has worked fine ever since. I click it on once a week, even though I hardly ever actually use it.
Looks like Ivan had no trouble remounting sink to disposer but if others do,make sure that the rubber gasket groove is 100% cleaned out !Drove me nuts 40 yrs ago when I did my first insinkerator.Maybe newer models don't have that problem ,I just threw it out there ,just in case.
Ivan, you can fix ANYTHING! Maybe this lends credence to my theory: when you fix one thing, there is an expectation for you to fix others. To the uninitiated, it's all the same - something they don't understand or want to learn about. To those who work on things, there are simple and complex mechanisms, some that are extremely challenging.
All mechanical and electrical devices work on the same principles - understand those, (along with a little logic), and you can usually work out what's going on.
Complexity is usually those principles stacked on top of each other.
@@Cheepchipsablethanks for this! Just now getting into mechanical and electrical maintenance and repair. I’m no where near anything like you guys are but I do have that hunger to learn like @dustcommander100 mentioned. Something clicked recently and I’ve been hooked ever since. I did get discouraged a little when I was trying to wrap my head around how steam engines work and pressure chambers but from your comment it sounds like I need to just slow down and start with basics, and take each section bit by bit. So basically I appreciate your comment. I hope y’all actually read this lol y’all commented like a year ago 😂
Good job diagnosing the cause of the no-start. One suggestion: put some thread locker, such as like Loctite, on the all-thread end that screws into the motor casting to prevent vibration from shaking it loose over time.
Great video Ivan . i think the Santa callus stole the four bolts.
quarter turn of allen wrench I did just yesterday. worked in seconds. absolutely no need to remove a thing.
Great job Ivan! I like having a power cord with an AC plug wired into my disposal and that yellow AC supply going to a dedicated box outlet under the sink. This makes service much easier. Unless there is local code against that arrangement.
I've always used an Allen wrench at the bottom of the unit and rotate it back and forth. That always worked till something broke loose and the unit died.
Bought a new one, back in business again. My house will be 30 years old in June this year. With other items going out, I wish it were just a garbage disposal unit! The joys of owning a house......HA, HA!
The plumbing did a hell of a job holding the disposal together for 15 years.
Thank you for keeping all of us distracted and entertained from the un-seeable danger of a virus. I never miss one of you great videos. Most DIY’s take things apart to see how it works but you fix it . BIG THANKS AGAIN BILL N LINY
You GOT ME Ivan,i LEFT the bolts out because my shift on the assembly line was ending in 2 minutes and i ran out of bolts.So i just put masking tape to hold the 2 halves together for the packaging dept. to box it and ship it out.!!! In my defense >>..IT does come with a ten year WARRANTY so i figured I'm not really screwing anybody over,as you say, you got at least 15 years before an issue RIGHT?You did a great fix,and hey you're a HERO to your wife,and we all know what reward you received that evening {wink wink}So you should be thanking ME.haha
If there were no bolts, the stator and rotor could touch each others. My desktop air blower has that kind of trouble. It jammed and sound was just like in your motor. There is a shaded pole motor on my air blower. I managed to fix it with repositioning the rotor axle. Nice vid by the way.
A few things that I have learned about disposals, run cool water when you put things down the disposal, it will help to keep the motor windings cool. Put ice cubes down the disposal once in a while to help keep it clean. The chunks of ice will clean out any food left, and the ice will keep the motor cool.
That is unbelievable that the unit ran for 15 years with no bolts in it, crazy!!
Dude. Most of those have nut at bottom you can use wrench on to turn it if it's stuck. Sticking pry bar in it while it's running, not good idea.
It obviously wasn't stuck...
I was cringing when you stuck that pry bar in there when it's powered up.
Great video Ivan , Can’t believe it ran so long without bolts, put a few ice cubes and run cold water down the disposal while it’s running and that will sharpen your blades
So, not fitting four bolts equals 15 years plus of faultless operation, next models will have six bolts missing 👍.
Great vlog Ivan, stay safe all and thanks for sharing.
That bottle and "pumpy thing" on the side is called the septic assist. Good repair.
I like how the more expensive quieter one is exactly the same as the cheap one, just with a plastic tub and foam over top. I just replaced one of these at Christmas - the inside of yours looks identical to the base model that was originally installed. If the "grinding chamber" is plastic, they all seem to crack after a while and leak! And you can't buy just the chamber plastic, it's pretty much Game Over and replace the whole unit. Only difference is the base model does include the bolts to keep it together!
Either a capacitor or a centrifugally activated start/run switch is possibly the cause of the no start.
If local code permits, installing the disposer with a pigtail and plug can make servicing somewhat easier.
The way things are going, the code will always permit because there won't be an inspector.
Great diagnostic find and fix, but I'm surprised you don't compost... haha
Wow, ivan that's great video. Now you're cooped up in the house. Now Amanda has you doing all the DIY repairs in the house that she's been begging you to do lol, this video was epic cuz you putting pry bar in the disposal while on lol. Classic one lol. Would be hilarious if the bar did a dancing thing If it went off, lmao. No bolts????? Surprised it worked up to now!! Awesome video!
Good repair ! The plumber who installed that had to have gotten that through other sources ! Apparently the "balls out" theory still applies today.
Something I noticed over the years with modern faucets with older homes and newer plumbing accessories such as toilets, garbage disposals, main plumbing lines and so forth is, the volume of water being used to flush debris through the device and plumbing lines is way less than the house and devices were designed for. Take this kitchen faucet for example, it's likely a 1.8 or 1.5 gallon per minute flow rate yet that's in most cases not enough to flush what a garbage disposal needs to flush what it chops up. What's amazing is, these newer water flow rules are not specific so anything that is replaced in an older building is subject to less flow rates and as most folks would know, the last location to skimp on flow rates is the kitchen sink. Another location that can be a problem is a bathroom toilet as plumbing lines weren't installed to deal with 1.2 gallons per flush but more like 3.0 gallon per flush. These new rules are making new problems for folks who are simply replacing what they had yet those create a completely new problem, plumbing drain lines and the slant they used to carry the flow. Can you imagine having to re-pipe your entire home sewage system just so the $150 toilet can (try to) save a few gallons over it's life? I research this problem and found that if your structure cannot function normally with the newer toilets, a licensed plumber can bypass the rule. Problem is, good luck finding a new 3.0 gallon per flush toilet that will suit your needs or a 2.5 gallon per minute faucet that fits your needs. Now a days, the faucets are machine/cast with smaller flow passages vs. depend solely on the aerator to control flows which means, even with the aerator removed, the faucet will still only flow the rated GPM. How wonderful.
Now the Mrs. can be confident the electrical works 100% and have no worries. Not so sure about those disposals that sell for $89 Costco, reviews are positive and some negative.
Ha yeah the kitchen sink faucet flow is very slow! Maybe sediment buildup?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Could be but likely only within the aerator if fixture is 4 or more years old. Only the newer fixtures are getting new castings and machine work. So far, best ones to consider are Hans Grohe in my opinion. Most specs for kitchen faucets are 2.2 gpm I believe just like a shower head fixture. Newer ones are about 1.5 which just aren't enough to keeps drains out of harm's way. Certainly it doesn't make any sense to have water conserving fixtures on bath tubs, bathroom jacuzzis, kitchen faucets and swimming pool filler fixtures. They require a certain amount of water whether it takes 3 minutes to fill them or 3 hours. A stupid idea not thought out well. Some folks need a demand for water in certain jobs, others will waste it regardless of flow rates.
Its amazing what one can fix if they have the want or need to. My home ac condenser fan doesnt function, a quick youtube search and I now know how to test it. Will bring my meter home from work tomorrow and get the issue figured out. Already have found a new motor on ebay should I need it. Never had interest in working on my home ac until I paid a repair company over $300 dollar to replace the capacitor on the outside unit.
This is a great idea-U Tube creators swapping trades-Next week - Andrew Camarata tries his hand at brain surgery.
"We just weld this part over to this part.. Good as new!"
Andrew walking in to surgery....so me and Levi are on this job today....
- Hello everyone!
- Hello Dr. Andrew!
Andrew is great, can you imagine Ivan installing a stereo with a chainsaw 😂.
@@serge4856 Err-Nope !
Of course,we could always have Eric (Hi there viewers) O removing earwax from a female patient with his super long extension-Wonder what he'd say ????
The one at my GF's apartment back in the day would get a good work out. You wanna see the whole sink shake, dump some corn on the cobs down there. Also if Diag-Dog there is like my dog, she helps by staying under foot.
Excellent 👍 good for another 15 yrs.
We had that problem , my dad used to push it with a wooden spoon and turn it on at the same time. Mum complained that the the wodden spoons were all getting shorter. Ours had leaked sludge and slime into the motor so there was little point trying to fix it.
Cool, I didn’t know he also made DIY home stuff.
Great that you got it running, but I would just dump the food scraps outside!
Ian has a big smile because he's gonna get a little sumthin sumthin tonight.
:D
"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." -- Red Green, Canadian comedian
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Kevin Byrne You Red my coffee cup.
@@VWWRENCHIE -- Yes, I remember the "Great Duct Tape Famine" at Possum Lodge. A real crisis. :)
Sometimes the small, hometown Ace or True Value hardware stores have a better selection of nuts and bolts.
I sure hope your wife actually appreciates what you do.
I'm pretty sure she does. ;-)
She looked amazed that is he fixed it. I was shaking my head while he was taking it apart, but I have been there, what do you have to loose. I was for sure there was nothing to fix in there....
That cable from grinder touches wire wheel shaft bro. Cool video as always.
lol, two main reasons they seize up and don't run. someone put junk down it that jammed it up (many things do that) the second main reason, someone left it on running dry and ruined the shaft seal, letting water into the motor bearings rusting them into place.
other issue, garbage disposals are a big cause of septic tank and sewer line issues. they clog both, but they overload septic systems with organic solids which cannot be broken down by the bacteria in them. I suggest never using a disposal with a septic system, if you insist look around for treatment enzymes, but those are not great for them either!
best thing to do is proper compost in the back yard and send the rest of food waste off in the garbage. or toss out into the woods as rodent feed (far from your home! lol)
I’m guessing that you’re not on city sewer by the looks of the surroundings at your house and you have a septic system. Putting scraps down the sink is not good for a septic system.
Great video! Love what you do!
Speechless Wife.
You da man!
First number or fraction indicates the thread diameter, #10 size (0.193) is a little bigger than 3/16 (0.187) Freedom units
Ivan I hope you did a better job on the wiring from the unit to the wall You need a gpo outlet rated cord on unit then you can remove easily next i.e unplug service replace.
Congratulations on a Russian repair very well done, Ivan!
Ha! Looking for a YT vid before I crack the Insinkerator and who do I find? Ivan from 4 years ago!!! So, which scanner is best for this application? I have no voltage on pin 16. Mine has the bolts but they're E-Torx. Set comes on Friday. Simple device. Should be an easy fix. Catch you on your next vid.
My brain dies every time "number X" bolts show up, and lettered drill bits too.
I have the exact same problem! I removed the unit and then turned it upside down and plugged in and it runs fine but when right side up, it hums and won't run.
Newbie here.. I am at the part where I have tried turning the motor with an Alan key removing the device and poking around with a screw driver. Do I absolutlry need to go in depth this far if all of the above didn't work and just get a new machine? I don't have most of the equipment besides the screw driver.
Great job indeed. What was the bottle for on the side of the unit?
Nice fix!
Might be time to bring back the cooking with Ivan series.
Thanks for posting. My insinkerator had "sticking problems after 18 years. Everytime it would run again if I used the allen wrench but I went ahead and replaced it anyway. I wanted to know how to take the old one apart and this video was very helpful. Thanks again. I noticed you have plastic plumbing. Is that the original plumbing when you installed the disposal? I had read that plastic doesn't last as long, but when I replaced my disposal I had to replace two pieces (p-trap and T-connector) because the chrome plated brass parts had corroded. Funny that your disposal didn't have those long bolts. When I took mine apart, the first thing I had to do was to unscrew two long bolts from the bottom of the disposal. Your disposal had holes for 4 long bolts.
I have the motor core moving up & down it does make humming sound and do not rotate… any idea what must be going on
Don’t know if you have a septic system but would be better to make a compost box and put those items in it, make compost for the garden.
Crazy Russian hacker has nothing on Crazy Ivan!! Love your wife's reaction! She just might keep you around! LOL
Ivan, the real Russian fix would be to recycle those peelings in a compost bin or feed them to the chickens. An insinkerator is too bourgeois capitalist lol. Good fix ,you're the man for all seasons.
My thoughts exactly. "Ivan the man" to the rescue again. The Russian repair never failed used it thousands of times.
I second recycling all those peelings. Not only is there lots of natural energy there to be converted to food and nutrients for soil by worms or soldier fly larva, but disposals that are used a lot inevitably lead to plumbing issues. As a handyman by vocation, I have had to replace drain pipes leading from kitchens multiple times because the food waste was so packed in that i couldn't snake it. And twice that has meant chiseling up the concrete slab to get to it. I keep a plastic coffee can with lid next to my sink and all the scraps go there and then taken outside every other day or so.
so far quarantine I've done almost nothing, except mounted an air hose reel in and ran some 40' of line to it and drained the poor compressor tank, which must have had 5 gallons of water or more
(about 120 gallon tank, after measuring it) there's lots of other (half-completed) projects to do, but I don't want to do any of it, although I am getting bored of computer/it only junk.
Another great Russian fix Ivan 👌
While you had it apart , it might had been a great time to change out the blades ! They probably hadn't been replaced since new , either . Just saying ! Great job - Eric O. will be proud!
Hey, held up in Windsor, Ontario.
Good vid Ivan but i notice your Bench Grinder needs start winding too! Lol
what is that pump gizmo with the bottle attached to it? Never seen that before.
Some sort of enzyme...
Some use a centrifugal switch. Some use a potential relay that will kick out when it senses the current being generated by the motor or the back feed it generates.
Nice bit of cuisine detective work with some keen observations and a successful outcome. Time for some Russian stew and a toast to herself. Bon apetif !! Bonus comment-- did you check the kccm ? (Kitchen computer control module)
Next up: Ivan fixes an incandescent bulb by tapping on it until the filament fuses together. 👍😉
My uncle showed me that trick about 50+ years ago, it usually works but because of the shortened filament its a lot brighter and won't last long especially if it gets a slight knock. Not easy to find an incandescent bulb nowadays, all LED and fluorescent.
I believe it may also be missing a rubber guard at the top of the disposal opening.
Ivan is COOKING!!! My last one leaked water into the motor and on the floor...I replaced it and forgot to remove the washer tube plug...overheated and burned out the pump on the dishwasher then had to repalce the pump. :(
Extra work but it makes for a "cleaner" installation. Where the romex comes out of the wall, mount a galvanized steel Handy Box (Raco 8660) with duplex outlet and cover (Raco 864). Find a 14 gauge pigtail (old computer cords are usually only 18 gauge 😥) and cut to length. Tin the ends with solder (makes the wire nuts grip better) and feed through a plastic knock out bushing.
Yeah, just put a new one in about a month a go !
Eh too much work...I don't plan on touching this thing for another 15 years :D
Hi Ivan,
Hope you and you're family are all safe and well in this difficult time🥴🤨😖
LOVING your vids as always....me thinks a clever 'cost saving' ploy by the manufacturer to save a few cents p/unit, or maybe a Friday build..(china product?)...All good, it will be something the customer might need to 'think'o'later'....(pardon the pun)....(once it's well past warranty of course)...lol. Maybe someone was in there before....(what's that rattle in there???...where did these 4 bolts come from/go to??...over the shoulder...yoink....lol)
I've really enjoyed your recent side-step adventures in construction equipment etc...takes me back to my roots in petrol/diesel/single phase/3 phase air compressors, gen sets, pumps, forklifts, small engines and most other types of constr./mining equipment etc.
Mech.Fitter/Auto Sparky myself (strangely nowadays doing mostly Automotive diags and elect./mech. repairs, but Automotive has always been a hobby, I even still have my 1st and 2nd cars...lol)
We are very similar in a lot of ways....I'd MUCH rather work on equipment than cars, but Auto. Diag. is such a little understood area and avoided by so many, there will always be work for a guy/girl that really 'gets it'.
Since I was a kid, I've always wanted to know how things worked, pulled just about everything apart looking for a 'N.P.R' repair....It taught me much of what I knew before I ever did a trade.....and I've saved myself and my customers countless $$ over the years.
Glad to see you saved yourself a few hunge during these difficult times...And Amanda looked a little lost for words..lol...definite bonus points there 🤣🤣👍🇦🇺
Ya got me on this one. I was gonna call a bad DCM.
I was actually going to write 'I can't believe you don't compost all that waste Ivan!'... But then I thought to myself, maybe worms don't survive your Winter's?! 🤔