Great episode as always. Purely selfish request: how about Top 5 third-party miniatures for big guys? I'm thinking of trolls specifically and ogres to a lesser extent. Between the regular troll and the Forgeworld one, that's only two different miniatures available when you need about 9 of them to have all the teams covered. It's not always easy to see how those alternative big guys scale compared to the official ones so that kind of Top 5 would be super useful.
Elf over a dwarf? Goblin over an Amazon? Ben, don't you know that the ball is only there to bait less sturdy individuals on to the pitch so they can be punched and fouled? ;)
Nurgle get - basically - 0-4 Beastmen, and they're crucial players. I missed the vote, but mine is: 1- Beastman 2- Dwarf Blocker 3- Dark/High Elf 4- Wood Elf 5- Skink Enjoying this series!
I need Ogre tips and trick videos! This season of my league is almost up. I want to take ogres next season, but I am leaning away from them now because I don’t want to be miserable if I realize game two, that I only had fun in exhibition.
"when your team is built of linemen other terms would merrily buy as positionnals..." I'm playing snotlings, I'll take ANY other player as a positionnal on my team so all the other linemen are good :)
I feel like wood elves would prefer high/dark elf linemen. The positionals are what make wood elf's special. While other teams would likely prefer a wood elf lineman as positional, as a lineman, taking a hit is a key role that the av9 linemen do better.
This is probably heavily influenced by my playstyle - AG2+ linemen don't stay in contact for long, then that extra square allows a better redeployment! Probably just the dreams of an AG2+ skaven lineman...!!
I would like to create a line person team. Maybe one line person team on which you can take Humans, Halflings, Elfes (all kind) Dwarfs, Nobility, Amazons, Norse but only the Line Persons. One of them will be your Teams Line, all others can be taken once as positional.
a lineman main job is to hold the line, pun intended. They're kinda like blockers, only less good by design. The chaos beastmen is the best, also by design, because they don't really have positionals in the conventional sense of the term. Chaos beastmen can become almost anything with the right skils. the slann linemen....I don't know. Leaping is nice on your star playmaker pieces, but you don't really need/want to leap with the linemen.
It's debatable if Beastmen are the best. They do have the highest potential but straight out of the box they ain't the best and while horns are great you are paying atleast 60k (Since you gotta field atleast 6 of them and it having zero benefit when not used for blitzing) to have that extra str. on your blitz compared to a human lineman. They are great but I disagree with them being the best given the formats that Blood Bowl are usually played in. However in an eternal league format they probably are the best ^^
@@stonem0013 Yes and while that is good for moving around and handling the ball they lose access to mutations and the difference in TV between vanilla renegades and vanilla helf/delf linemen is a 40% TV increase. Now that might be a bargian if you are running a longer league, have a league or playstyle that benefits from elfs. However if you are running a short rebuy league and pretty much only use positionals for ball handling and don't dodge alot then it might be a waste of TV for punching bags that only are there to hold the line. TL:DR; Value deppends on the meta, nothing happens in a vacume ^^
Speaking of underworld one "nice" Goblin template i like is wrestle dauntless jump up prehensile tail diving tackle horns (wrestle first but biyond that in any order , like jump up / horns if your league has a distinct lack of 2+ agg). Elves dodge on a 5+, everyone else 6+
People voted for chorf plenty of times, but the thing is chaos dwarf is a blocker and hobgoblin is their lineman (and not sure if those who did vote had this in mind)
Orc Lino got robbed. He is (in my opinion) the best mix of cheap, versatile, and tough for a lineman. Here is a cool thought experiment... Would you rather have an elf team with Orc linemen or an Orc team with Elf linemen? I loved the explanation for the Slann btw.
Btw, I feel like slann is a cop-out since it's not an official team. Also......seriously? Amazons don't make your list? Underworld goblins over amazons? Less drugs Ben!
I said that as soon as I clicked on the video. Pleasantly surprised they were so high up on both rankings. I didn’t vote as I don’t have an opinion on the 4 spots below them!
I’ll assume this is just click bait! Zombies were the ‘Best Lineman’ in the game and because they can’t can’t make 4+ passes anymore they aren’t even top5......insane! They still dodge, pick up and hand off the same as they always have and NEVER passed the ball! Dorfs are easily the best linos in the game and yes some teams would take one elf Lino but EVERY single team would take 3 x dorf linos without exceptions. They are so op as linos that most Lino only leagues ban dorfs from even playing! 1. Dorf. 2. Beastman. 3. H/D Elf. 4 Zombie. 5. Zon.....the only really debate is where skinks fit in as they work so well on Liz but wouldn’t fit in very well elsewhere.
Haha, hey Matthew!! Dude, I'm totally with you Zombies are great for their value!! Anytime you can tag another player in place with a Zombo you are winning on pitch! As a team add-on I think Skinks would end up being stunty Gutter runners!
Surprised Orc lineman didnt make it any list, 50k fill role like a zombie but can handle the ball w/ that extra AG and MA.
Great episode as always. Purely selfish request: how about Top 5 third-party miniatures for big guys? I'm thinking of trolls specifically and ogres to a lesser extent. Between the regular troll and the Forgeworld one, that's only two different miniatures available when you need about 9 of them to have all the teams covered. It's not always easy to see how those alternative big guys scale compared to the official ones so that kind of Top 5 would be super useful.
Thanks Romaine! That's a great idea!
I love 3rd party big guy miniatures haha, I have more than enough Minotaurs for a 0-11 team of them!!
Elf over a dwarf? Goblin over an Amazon? Ben, don't you know that the ball is only there to bait less sturdy individuals on to the pitch so they can be punched and fouled? ;)
Putting the Bowl back in Blood Bowl!! :D
@@BoneheadPodcast Hahaha it's a dirty job but someone has to do it ;)
Nurgle get - basically - 0-4 Beastmen, and they're crucial players.
I missed the vote, but mine is:
1- Beastman
2- Dwarf Blocker
3- Dark/High Elf
4- Wood Elf
5- Skink
Enjoying this series!
Thanks PageantOfInertia!
That's a solid top 5!!
Yeah! The pestigors are a great example of that :D
Gotta love Beastma GSM access!
Honestly a random skill on a random table and these guys would be great haaha!
I've played against wood elf teams that are one thrower, one war dancer, and all the rest line elves.
And if you've done it right, the second half is *just* a team of linemen ;)
Thoroughly enjoying the series. I can understand the reasoning behind the slann but Linemen was always going to be a hard top 5
Thanks Stephen! I think it just shows how many linemen are just not that bad!!! :D
Where can I go to vote on next weeks top 5?
Hey DrBob! there will be a post up later on today / tomorrow! :D We post here, and on our Twitter/Instagram/Facebook
@@BoneheadPodcast Cool thanks ^^
I need Ogre tips and trick videos! This season of my league is almost up. I want to take ogres next season, but I am leaning away from them now because I don’t want to be miserable if I realize game two, that I only had fun in exhibition.
Great now I want a team of bamfs (baby Nightcrawlers from x-men).
Thanks a lot. 😃
Hahaha, did we just re-skin Slann for GW? xD
"when your team is built of linemen other terms would merrily buy as positionnals..."
I'm playing snotlings, I'll take ANY other player as a positionnal on my team so all the other linemen are good :)
Hahaha, and you know what - some of those other teams would love a few Snotlings too!!
I feel like wood elves would prefer high/dark elf linemen. The positionals are what make wood elf's special.
While other teams would likely prefer a wood elf lineman as positional, as a lineman, taking a hit is a key role that the av9 linemen do better.
This is probably heavily influenced by my playstyle - AG2+ linemen don't stay in contact for long, then that extra square allows a better redeployment!
Probably just the dreams of an AG2+ skaven lineman...!!
I would like to create a line person team. Maybe one line person team on which you can take Humans, Halflings, Elfes (all kind) Dwarfs, Nobility, Amazons, Norse but only the Line Persons. One of them will be your Teams Line, all others can be taken once as positional.
I'm pretty sure slann lineman leap on a 2+, very long legs give you +1 to your leaps, pogo makes it where you ignore negative modifiers
a lineman main job is to hold the line, pun intended. They're kinda like blockers, only less good by design. The chaos beastmen is the best, also by design, because they don't really have positionals in the conventional sense of the term. Chaos beastmen can become almost anything with the right skils.
the slann linemen....I don't know. Leaping is nice on your star playmaker pieces, but you don't really need/want to leap with the linemen.
It's debatable if Beastmen are the best. They do have the highest potential but straight out of the box they ain't the best and while horns are great you are paying atleast 60k (Since you gotta field atleast 6 of them and it having zero benefit when not used for blitzing) to have that extra str. on your blitz compared to a human lineman. They are great but I disagree with them being the best given the formats that Blood Bowl are usually played in. However in an eternal league format they probably are the best ^^
@Alexander MacGregor Unfortunately Renegade lost str access on primary and passing access completely in BB 2020 :(
@@hampuskullberg9932 helf/delf linemen have g/a access, and +1 ag for only 10k more.
@@stonem0013 Yes and while that is good for moving around and handling the ball they lose access to mutations and the difference in TV between vanilla renegades and vanilla helf/delf linemen is a 40% TV increase.
Now that might be a bargian if you are running a longer league, have a league or playstyle that benefits from elfs. However if you are running a short rebuy league and pretty much only use positionals for ball handling and don't dodge alot then it might be a waste of TV for punching bags that only are there to hold the line.
TL:DR; Value deppends on the meta, nothing happens in a vacume ^^
@@hampuskullberg9932 av8 isn't quite enough to be a proper 'punching bag, in my experience.
No sign of elf union linemen there...
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that's no surprise !
Hahahaha!! It's because most of them are journeymen!
Speaking of underworld one "nice" Goblin template i like is wrestle dauntless jump up prehensile tail diving tackle horns (wrestle first but biyond that in any order , like jump up / horns if your league has a distinct lack of 2+ agg). Elves dodge on a 5+, everyone else 6+
People voted for chorf plenty of times, but the thing is chaos dwarf is a blocker and hobgoblin is their lineman (and not sure if those who did vote had this in mind)
Ooh that's a power build!! And the goblin survives to Level 7!? :D
@@BoneheadPodcast heh , mighty gotten carrier away with the horns at the end :P Quarantines messed with sleep schedual (and brain) really badly 8-}
@@PowerOfDoi Haha, Wrestle is a superb first skill - anything after that is just icing on top!! weird mutated icing...
Glad the Cossack Lineman got the #1 Slot
Happy to see the humble Frog lineman with the gold medal! Well deserved!
Underrated player! so glad it's almost/sort-of/kinda back...
Slann in Kilts the team would be called the Frog Sporrans
Where's the mention of the humble Rotter? The only Lineman so good he comes with a free AG bust from last edition!
Hahaha, harsh but fair!!
What about Necroma...
Fine, I'll give up this one.
I'll be back next week to tell everyone why Necromantic is best!
Haha, Zombies were so close!!
My all zombie team begs to differ!
Orc Lino got robbed. He is (in my opinion) the best mix of cheap, versatile, and tough for a lineman. Here is a cool thought experiment... Would you rather have an elf team with Orc linemen or an Orc team with Elf linemen? I loved the explanation for the Slann btw.
orc team with elf linemen
I forgot to consider Slaan...
The russian frog at #1 is a surprise but good explanision why
Hehe, I think it upset and inspired people in equal amounts xD
Btw, I feel like slann is a cop-out since it's not an official team.
Also......seriously? Amazons don't make your list? Underworld goblins over amazons? Less drugs Ben!
Haha, sorry Decker! I had Zons and Zombs just off my top 5!
Beastman!
I said that as soon as I clicked on the video. Pleasantly surprised they were so high up on both rankings. I didn’t vote as I don’t have an opinion on the 4 spots below them!
I’ll assume this is just click bait! Zombies were the ‘Best Lineman’ in the game and because they can’t can’t make 4+ passes anymore they aren’t even top5......insane! They still dodge, pick up and hand off the same as they always have and NEVER passed the ball!
Dorfs are easily the best linos in the game and yes some teams would take one elf Lino but EVERY single team would take 3 x dorf linos without exceptions. They are so op as linos that most Lino only leagues ban dorfs from even playing!
1. Dorf. 2. Beastman. 3. H/D Elf. 4 Zombie. 5. Zon.....the only really debate is where skinks fit in as they work so well on Liz but wouldn’t fit in very well elsewhere.
Haha, hey Matthew!! Dude, I'm totally with you Zombies are great for their value!!
Anytime you can tag another player in place with a Zombo you are winning on pitch!
As a team add-on I think Skinks would end up being stunty Gutter runners!
Zombie didn't even make top 5. Wat.
I wouldn't run an elf lineman...we all know why 😉😉
So humans are not the best linemen. You lied Ben!
Haha, they're 100% the quintessential lineman though!! The lineman from which all other lineman are forged and judged!
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Top 5 linemen. Only includes 3 linemen lol.
Even if Ben did not include it on the screen, all of them have Linemen/Linewomen in their positional name :)
@@Invisigoth05 one was a dwarf positional and slann don't count 🤣
@@LSOP- Dwarf Blocker Lineman to be exact ;)
Haha, poor Slann!!