Is it possible to be completely awake? | J. Krishnamurti
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Saanen 1980 - Question #2 from Question & Answer Meeting #2
'Is it possible to be so completely awake at the moment of perception that the mind does not record the event?'
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In attention,, there is no centre - no person with name , its appendages, educational level, stud, no achievements, no me. There is listening without me. Thank you for still being with us.
Thanks, that clears it up for me 🌸🌱
"Only when there is not attention in attention you record."
This made a lot of sense to me.
7:29 It's only when there is not attention, INATTENTION, you record
7:52 You flatter me...i like it.... The liking at that moment is INATTENTION, in that moment there is no attention. Therefore, recording takes place
inattention: lack of attention; distraction."a moment of inattention which could have cost lives"
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Let me put another way. When we hear something, just hear is attention; but when we hear something and generate a thought, liking/or disliking, the thought take attention away and become inattention. Please shed some light on this. Thanks!
What does attention nean? Difference between attention abd and inattention@@onlymelodic109
Awareness is attention. Sir JK has illumined , i was knowing this rightly for last several years before i watched sir. How true the only truth there is is awareness attention.
Me: Watching this 2 AM
Jiddu: "please don't go to sleep"
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Jk is tremendous, he raise simple questions to open up and clear mess.
A resounding Yes is implied in our sage's tireless, compassionate, lengthy, intelligent talks all over the globe, isn't it? Waki, waki! Thanks K and friends.
Fantastic pure gyaan (wisdom).
Dude. . ✌💛👁 so like an example: when one is flattered or judged by others, one recalls cuz they have allowed the others perception to be their own then like that recalls how one feels about oneself from a need or maybe lack to express. Yet to be conscious and in a sense no reaction and to not let another's words or perception, affect oneself cuz then one is in their own consciousness or power to express. Dude ya this is awesome!
Thank you K.
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So so profound here this clear light❤. U only are hurt...when u make a image out of urSelf...that is exact said...he is just awsome in its clear light❤. Thx 4 this beautytalk a lot= really on point❤❤❤
Thought is the Van Allen belt of the mind. We want to go beyond it but the mental objects, ideas and images we want to take with us are obliterated in any attempt as only pure mind itself is beyond thought.
It added more depth and reasoning to listening people very carefully so now we know that where trigger comes from..That record creates trigger to protect and serve own identity which is reasonable, but if one's aim to dissolve that layer of identity, attending at the time of the event should be considered well.
‘If’ it has your attention the action of concentration is NOT required.
Beautiful
I get the idea but I think "record" is not the right word. You will always record, no matter how enlightened you are. Otherwise you would be a vegetable. A man cannot function without memory. A man without memory would be like animal.
I think "accumulation" would be a better choice than "record". If you are functioning as ego, you accumulate all the ideas and beliefs, strengthening ego further, whereas in functioning as pure awareness, you are free from accumulation because you do not identify with the persona. Butt you do "record", if there is need you will be able to recall that incident tomorrow.
JechtNH Right bro
Animals have memory. What makes the difference between humans and animals is not the capacity for memory but the capacity to symbolise and that's only a question of degree. For example, a cat (bird, bat, dog, fish, etc) remembers full well where it lives. Therefore, animals must have the ability to store a symbolic representation of reality. Even animals without a single neuron such as the paramecium seem to be able to learn: www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/11/29/225250
i think the record means react the thought such as like, dislike, all judgement
All data ideas beliefs(which are also ideas at their core) are abstracted by Human mind from the signals data received from sense organs. These are stored as memories in brains neural network. The only difference is that while ordinary people are trapped caught in the web of memories , an enlightened man manages to transcend these ! He can see every thing clearly afresh every moment like Jk. In the first case, ego gets progressively stronger with each accumulation. Whereas in later case , the enlightened man remains ego less in all circumstances.
thank you.
Attention is all inclusive; no center and no self !
+Ravi PP a cascade of questions form ,from Your statement. i.e. from where does this attention eminate? I see donut rings of smoke rising from a ridge in fractal expansion ever upward. I perceive the fire the blanket, the conjurer of it, got the message implied. But what to do? with it! Passive observers. Passively observe and act accordingly with passivity. Mindfulness requires, the actions of proof in performance. Why? What is the intent, of focused attention. Attention exists and it doesnt appear outside of itself, but in a reactive expression. Attentiveness is set apart exclusively, for those devoted to its fruits. No centre, No self?? both a seaming prerequisite to the attainment of said fruits. What use are thay, beyond desire they are not. Whose desire or design is it? Where did loneliness begin? the same spot as attention. Loneliness, begat Attention. Do donuts, truly have a centre? it's hard to know something, without the conviction of desire. Isnt desire therefore rekless, abandonly motivated? Can the dreamer truly be 'All' inclusively attentive? marvelous words Rom.
Yes dear Tommy, he is perhaps indicating the shortest route to insight. Yours,to me it appears, are the conventional doubts. When the mind is without clouds of contents , it may get the real light of things.. and meditation may bring the sacred light.. Its my way of intimation .
I like what JK says that the thinker is the thought when one realizes this concentrations comes from being attentive which means no center from which one is
very hard sentence
does that mean when thinking, it is concentration and the thinker is centered. No thinking/no thought, there is attention and no center?
@@joy7343 When one becomes fully aware that the thinker & the thought are the same there is a silence space opens up which is attention not concentration from this place there is no center. Mediating this way daily the mind has the potential to flower with love & compassion becomes silent naturally without using any concentration. The problem is that not straight forward for me to come to this point i went through many years of practicing martial art, Yoga & concentration in mediation than one day insight just came and i realized that the one mediating was the thought it self and there was a shift from concentration to being attentive this opens the door to the immeasurable energy of the universe which JK always talks about
@@solomit1 I think i got it. The thinker and the thought are melted together which means the thinker doesn't judge/react the thought. attention happens. Thanks!
Like not being the thought itself? Kinda like being conscious of oneself, above and below vibe? Even when in meditative state it's like not being in ones thoughts , yet being and in a flow state?
And kinda like the ex of someone flattering or judging(opinions), it feels like no matter if one feels those energies then one is really being told how one feels instead of knowing?🤔 like allowing the others opinions to become ones own, because one isn't conscious of ones Originality? Hmmm it's like you know this but to really know it.
It is hard not to record , but we can ask the brain not to have reaction over it, so mind is free from it not to judge .that is with my little understanding experience of life.
No it is not hard, when you dont pay attention, you record. When there is attention, you know the name and images in your thought hurt or delight you, and you know how childsih to be hurt by your own unreal images, therefore you dont have a need to record
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1:33 answer is possible to be completely awake
So be attentive not concentrate. If you concentrate then there's always something against your concentration pulls you apart. If you're attentive there's nothing outside of the subject. Just the subject.
if there is concetration there is resistance...
Excellent question - I had this question since childhood since plants do not have nervous system. Nervous system is only memory but not intellect. But western science assumes plants do not have perception.
We need nervous system for perception
how can thinking mind can observe? if I have to observe then I must stop thinking. that means I'm forcing mind again..
listen to the sounds of the environment at this moment without interpreting them, just listen as if you were just born and don't know the words, then listen and be attentive to the thought without stopping listening, as if the thought were just another sound in the environment. Then it's a matter of living that way, thought calms down by itself and there is great peace.
i maybe more stupid than average, but I still did not understand the difference between attention and focus. Can anyone help me understand it more?
i am also not sure i understood what does the thinker and thought have to do with it? especially that they are the same? What does it even mean? any help?
If u are focusing u give ur effort to a specific point. For example u are focusing to work. Attention means u are aware of the environment, ur own actions or ur own thoughts and feelings. For example u are attentive of how u eat, what u think or what u do.
If u are thinking , ur "I" automatically identify with ur thoughts. That why the thinker is the thought.
But If u think u are not fully attentive , thats how the mind works. Thats means if u give ur whole attention, u are not identified with ur thoughts.
Why does human forgets the times when someone flatters him whereas remember things when someone calls him stupid! Jk is saying it is only in inattention that the brain records. When someone says something good, there are no conflicts in minds and unknowingly too, but we are attentive. In contradiction, when someone calls us idiot, rather than paying attention to speaker, we start to dwell upon the image we have built of ourselves which is being affected by whatever the speaker who is calling us idiot is speaking, so the brain records hurt, pain,etc. Bec in recording it it finds safety, it builds wall. But if we don't have absolutely no image of ourselves, hurt pain etc won't exist in our experience. If we are too identified with our personality,this body this mind, then hurt or any other emotion is bound to come and we'll always be living in the same patterns within the same cycle.
Now coming to concentration and attention. The nature of existence is consciousness. Highly attentive. Jk even says this he wonders if anyone of us have been attentive even for a moment. Concentration is from point to point. We concentrate or tell ourselves to concentrate to achieve certain things. From where i am right now, i want to get to another point so i tell myself to concentrate on it. When we try to concentrate, inevitably thoughts come and we try to push them off and so arises conflicts in brain bec it is wanting to concentrate, then certain thoughts take away my attention, there is constant struggle to come back. The concentration of this kind, it is between two points( not literally meaning but it's a way to make us understand like he says from one hope to another). Whereas in attention, there is no starting or end point, it has no boundaries, it is all inclusive. It is the nature of every particle in cosmos and the cosmos itslef. We would be idiots if we think by concentration, we can experience this vast cosmos. It is only in attention, that in a moment it's all experienced. That's the attention i think he's talking about.
In concentration, the controller ( the thought which we generate) is the one controlled( us). But in actuality it is not true for an unrealised being.
For a being who is not realised being, who hasn't tapped into the nature of his existence( existence),the conscious nature, you can't say that for him that thinker is thought.
But for a realised being, there is absolutely no boundary. The thinker is thought. There is absolute attention and no conflicts. As an outcome of this attention, he may put his concentration in something if he wants.
For unrealised being, concentration generated conflicts. His concentration is point to point one.
For realised being, concentration can come out of attention if he wishes to exercise it somewhere but in this concentration,there are no conflicts. This concentration comes out of nature of his existence, which is universally yhe nature of this cosmos.
Listen to recording once again. I tried to put into words what i gathered.
Focusing take force,given attention is done more freely,more naturally.SIMPLE
Attention will help u get his words with deep meaning of it as it coming out of his mouth,
You should watch video of two monk on a muddy road, attention is like lightning strikes and vanish, attention helps you knowing things even without putting focus on it, attentive mind never carries thoughts of past so whenever something happens in present u easily know what happened and easily can clear that from mind,
Actually true knowledge kills the knowledge of what you gather since birth, once you attain that its easy for you to understand this, true knowledge tells you that are nothing and will be nothing, realization of death will help you deattach yourself from the world, than the thoughts you you carry will not bother you at all. Like your mind is dead ,
Like u using non-digital camera if you see through it while moving you will not see frame drop cos there is no frame, but with digital camera you will see if you moving it you will see shaky images cos there is alot going on in digital camera it hav frames, but non-digital doesnt have anything that can be shaken
analysis is paralysis
Where is the rest of the answer to this question?
Then how the Hell did he know that he has been called an 'idiot' and that many times being praised by others without the recording of the brain? I mean how can he recall?
That is how he can explain it to you...do it for yourself and find there will be no recording when you are completely attentive.
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Forgot ther r people here 😛 guess I got attention but didn't understand concentration!??
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