Strange how once I stopped caring, stopped partying, got a career and started truly enjoying life, women have been paying me attention…. Only problem, I stopped caring and only see women as thieves.
pretty sure the high sex drive in our youth diminishes in part because it's simply less useful as we age because we gain more reproductive value in terms of experience, resources and social status, hence a raging sex drive and actively chasing skirt is overkill in later years where the lady-attention now naturally gravitates towards you as the result of said status etc
Look at all the things a man has to improve and work on all a girl has to do is put make up on and be semi decent looking and smile, it's honestly insane
It's the time schedule. When you are 40, and a woman is 40, if you've done moderately well you will be in the much better position. It's just too bad early 20 something women don't recognize this. They can't see past next month's rent, while men have to have a focus for years in the future.
Online dating is a nightmare most of the time. Ghosting, lying about age, fake profiles, commitment phobes. thinking there is always someone better with the next swipe on an app. It really is a minefield out there.
Dude, it ain't worth all that crap. While I agree men should continually self improve, the exchange required to date in this day and age, is a complete ripoff. They demand we have the pinnacle of charisma, relentless fitness regiments (even if they're fat as a tick), prestigious jobs, and all that other crap. The measure of a man's worth has nothing to do with women. The sooner we all realize that, the better off we'll be.
I'm in my late 50's, just no desire to date anymore. Very happy without a girlfriend. I cant help it, I always think about what I would be giving up by being in a relationship.
yeah think I'll be in that boat after my 40s. dating is fun when it's light n easy and you have your own space and life to "return" to, but once it gets "serious" it becomes just another job much like team work in business. and some of us have dated ourselves too much to give up being independent at bedtime.
I'm 47 single and have no children. Since 2011, I've only been with two women. I was at one time 8 years celibate. Both of those two women were very attractive and in their 30s. The problem in the dating marketplace is too many men and not enough attractive available women. Unless you're willing to date a woman 10 to 20 years older than you or a single mom with multiple baby daddies.
@RealTroyFrancis to be honest. Men need to be in proximity to attractive single women. If you live in the middle of nowhere or a small town your options are limited. Las Vegas, Austin or New York come to mind if you want to find a plethora of gorgeous women.
It’s definitely a numbers game and always easier to date where women outnumber men. I’m in an area where men now outnumber women, so I’m leaving asap. I get attention from women, but the options are more limited and I’m too busy to be proactive.
Have you had any students that didn't get it? Telling them what they're doing wrong, and getting them to be able to self correct sometimes goes beyond self awareness
Interesting points. Guess you could say vibe is important. Lots of guys can't even get a chance to get a date with an attractive woman though. One factor is dating apps, and probably hypergamy. Attractive women want to go for the best guy they can get, which they often find on dating apps. And in hookup culture many top guys are cycling through women, which the women willfully ignore. And that leaves more normal guys struggling more to date attractive women
@@ryantucker2166 well, it’s still possible to date attractive women if you’re not a rich male model, I’d say. But just is not easy. The numbers point to my conclusion from above. I think stat is 60% young men single and 30% young women single. So the only explanation I can really see is dating app facilitated polygyny, which really is reverting back to way society has been for most of time
@@ryantucker2166don’t settle by not playing the game and the market will autocorrect. I personally think there’s too much damage done to take women seriously.
Relentlessly Self Improve I like this point of view. Men have a burden of performance to the point if they have nothing to strive for they can feel lost and not have a purpose. As a young man, where do you want to be when you're 40? Having a purpose and to relentlessly self improve is good a mindset in creating the frame to get there.
Troy, what's your thoughts on hiring escorts? Do you think this would be a preferable option for a lot of guys - especially guys with special needs, autism, or a physical disability who are at a natural disadvantage? Self-improvement is all very well but one shouldn't have to be doing this relentlessly just to find a decent partner - none of my relatives did. One thing about escort services is you know where you stand - the client says what they want - the escort delivers the client's request (so long as its reasonable) and gets the money.
I wish someone would articulate what the benefit is. So far it seems like everyone assumes it's self evident. There's sex, so that's what 30 minutes out of the day. Companionship, though that can turn sour. Every day becomes a job interview it seems.
@@RealTroyFrancis Mmm, cope with what? I don't bother because the juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze, and so I'm waiting for someone to say how the juice is actually worth the squeeze. Still waiting, I guess.
I taught a 55 year old....When he finally "GOT IT" he says, i'm not doing that any more, i said ,why? It doesn't seem FAIR!!!! he says, fast forward a couple of months, saw him again ,BIG smile on his face, I stopped bieng so "lucky" the minute i rolled back my behaviour etc. So got right back in the game, he is 60 now.Gets a shed load off attention off hot young women,had a 36 year old on the go ,That's not luck,that's KNOWLEDGE! That works in real life, cause and affect.
Troy, you are absolutely right about that. But please also consider: if you are actually able to obtain a relationship with a girl, you will have to be able to MAINTAIN that effort, which will make you BEG for mercy at the end of the day. So please think before acting ... ;-)
Performing in a band is a great way to attract women BTW. You just focus on yourself and the groupies will show up, believe me. Even older musicians I know in their 70s and 80s always have girlfriends and often much younger.
That's not all the Blackpill is about, that's just a big part of it. I agree with him. It's not JapanBad, but we're on that road. Just look at Italy. Scary.
I love you Troy I think you have some great knowledge about todays dating. Though let’s be real, it all comes down to alpha fux, betas aren’t needed anymore so most men aren’t really looked at because most men just aren’t that attractive. I really do feel sorry for a lot of men today. It’s pretty sad. I do ok with woman but that’s based on looks and my body. And at times it still isn’t easy. We’ve just given woman too much power these days. They only want the best of the best. Average or just above just isn’t enough for them anymore. Makes me sad for a lot of guys today, it really does.
Nope not true I’m afraid. I know because I’m living the male life of alpha fux bro, I’m not being up myself or anything just telling it how it is. My looks have given me a great advantage not many men would ever understand. I’m not saying ugly men can’t get laid or anything like that. I’m simply saying the game I’m in is different to most men.
I have had multiple Dom sub (D/s) relationships with committed Gf's. It was just what I needed and although it's not for every woman, it sure let their 'inner wh*re' out.
In my opinion heartbreak is worse than in love. Having experienced both multiple times. The heartbreak is worse. Sometimes not worth the sex or good times. Sometimes I wished I was a virgin like you because if you haven’t experienced how good a relationship love and sex is you cannot miss it. Like a blind person doesn’t know how anything looks
@@Jaapst Well then you don't know how hard it is to be a virgin either. Maybe the reason to why you are feeling how you are feeling is because you know how good it is but the reasons for virgins is even more so since we anticipate it being really good because of what people like you tell us, hence the need to want it becomes even bigger and not having had that becomes even more depressing.
It's just about getting to talk to women , you can't get rejected just for making random conversation , the best way is to say something situational , show confidence , eye contact , stand upright , and relax , it's just talking at this point , practice by talking to anyone
It's just dating. What is the big deal exactly? Just go up to people and try to meet them. I think it has a lot to do with how Gen Z was socialized (especially the men). They were never encouraged to go outside and interact with other children in any kind of spontaneous form. They rely on these dating apps because everything is pre planned and organized for them. No one has to ask any questions because they profile can just say everything for them. No one has to put themselves out there. It's the most low risk, simplistic form of dating. Gen Z men are the worst at this because they were encouraged to spend their entire lives behind screens. They were groomed into being the perfect introverts and are incapable of simply socializing with another human being.
its hard to build new social groups as a man, people in general don't want to talk to men they don't already know. you have to be really damn smooth about it. Most people stay in the same social group their whole life and aren't open to some new dude just because he wants to talk to them
Since moving to the Philippines dating has been incredibly easy for me.. I am spoiled for choice with multiple girlfriends and sex and massages on demand (I never ask for these things). Several women hand wash my clothes and cook for me every time. I hardly spend any money on these girls and when i do spend two or three dollars they are incredibly grateful. Dating is only hard in the West.
If that’s what we need to do, all those things, and I promise you, it’s still not enough, I’ll just be at work and taking care of my investments. I don’t want to be Daniel Craig, balzerian or whoever cause that’s a facade for the majority of us, and the veneer will inevitably thin.
"If you don't feel you have a lot to offer ... " So here is the deal, it's actually not what you ( a guy ) thinks of yourself, it's what her lizard brain thinks of you. Because, after all, mating and dating isn't the most cerebral activity 😂😂
Great video and for discussion I think there is too much information for a man to internalise and execute without seeming incoherent. I personally think all you speak of is secondary or societal attraction. There is also primal attraction that woman are strongly swayed by. It’s usually the reason they end up choosing the wrong guys. For primal attraction to work just eat healthy, lift weights, and most importantly practice semen retention. Because ultimately that is what they need from us… a large healthy dose of semen 😢
It seems to me that if a guy has to be taught how to be attractive to women, then he's not attractive at the DNA level. Another way to say this is that if he's not smart enough to figure out how to be appealing on his own, then he's not genuinely that way. And that's okay. Let the genuine men take charge of the dating scene.
most "genuine men" pull girls only from their own social circle. They stay in the same area where they already know people and don't leave that group, so theyre never really approaching or joining new groups. Men who are aware of the game like troy at least understand the dynamics of how to do that if you move to a new city where you don't know anyone. Most "naturals" as you say, can't handle talking to people they don't already know
Most young guys in their 20s are none of those things, very good looking or well above average looks ie handsome and or wealthy and have alot of money, 90 percent of men in that age ran are either average looks or below average, and we know that because over 80 percent of single men online are considered not attractive by women, this leaves the top ten plus percent who have the primary sexual selection available to them, and most are broke or barely getting by in terms of finances in their early 20s.
It’s not that competitive, it’s just that you’re going about it the wrong way. Once you discard the notion that every rejection is due to you ‘not being good enough’ or ‘women are all chasing a 1% Chad’ , get off the internet/online dating and realise that 99% of women’s behaviour is geared around either obtaining attention or avoiding being seen as ‘easy’, you see that dating really is just pretty straightforward and plenty of normal guys are dating normal girls in normal ways, and that ‘game’ and anything related to pickup culture does not apply to 99% of successful dating scenarios
Strange how once I stopped caring, stopped partying, got a career and started truly enjoying life, women have been paying me attention…. Only problem, I stopped caring and only see women as thieves.
😂 true that can happen when you shift perspective
pretty sure the high sex drive in our youth diminishes in part because it's simply less useful as we age because we gain more reproductive value in terms of experience, resources and social status, hence a raging sex drive and actively chasing skirt is overkill in later years where the lady-attention now naturally gravitates towards you as the result of said status etc
😁
Bro you gave up right before you arrived... wtf!
@@elcapitan6126 So true. We were all hormonal idiots in the teens and early 20s. Glad I'm way passed that!
Look at all the things a man has to improve and work on all a girl has to do is put make up on and be semi decent looking and smile, it's honestly insane
And honestly, a girl that's been ran through and will not be loyal to you. Not worth it.
Exactly. Just stop 🛑
How has this happened?
It's the time schedule. When you are 40, and a woman is 40, if you've done moderately well you will be in the much better position. It's just too bad early 20 something women don't recognize this. They can't see past next month's rent, while men have to have a focus for years in the future.
It is because men don' require more to fall in love, looks and beauty.
Online dating is a nightmare most of the time. Ghosting, lying about age, fake profiles, commitment phobes. thinking there is always someone better with the next swipe on an app. It really is a minefield out there.
Dude, it ain't worth all that crap. While I agree men should continually self improve, the exchange required to date in this day and age, is a complete ripoff. They demand we have the pinnacle of charisma, relentless fitness regiments (even if they're fat as a tick), prestigious jobs, and all that other crap. The measure of a man's worth has nothing to do with women. The sooner we all realize that, the better off we'll be.
7:45 "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
He has moments of pure brilliancy!
Agreed. 35 year old female. I've spent my entire life experiencing this and I survived.
What's so hard about failure?
Copeing
Captain Picard told Data that on the Star Trek:TNG show in 1990
I'm in my late 50's, just no desire to date anymore. Very happy without a girlfriend. I cant help it, I always think about what I would be giving up by being in a relationship.
yeah think I'll be in that boat after my 40s. dating is fun when it's light n easy and you have your own space and life to "return" to, but once it gets "serious" it becomes just another job much like team work in business. and some of us have dated ourselves too much to give up being independent at bedtime.
I'm 47 single and have no children. Since 2011, I've only been with two women. I was at one time 8 years celibate. Both of those two women were very attractive and in their 30s. The problem in the dating marketplace is too many men and not enough attractive available women. Unless you're willing to date a woman 10 to 20 years older than you or a single mom with multiple baby daddies.
Not true. You need to get on a plane sometime.
@RealTroyFrancis to be honest. Men need to be in proximity to attractive single women. If you live in the middle of nowhere or a small town your options are limited. Las Vegas, Austin or New York come to mind if you want to find a plethora of gorgeous women.
It’s definitely a numbers game and always easier to date where women outnumber men. I’m in an area where men now outnumber women, so I’m leaving asap. I get attention from women, but the options are more limited and I’m too busy to be proactive.
@@RealTroyFrancis we shouldn’t have to get in a plane. Unless men are after marriage
Hi troy. Would you consider going for a walk about sull Naviglio with all the trendy bars?
Like your content.
Be healthy and stay free (-_-)
best thing that helped me with attracting girls: blocked all porn
Late forties you're still young , I'm 54 and I don't find age any problem, I find women in their 20s upwards are still interested
interested in what? your wallet? :D
@@kobki66 🤣 not that
Cap.
@@juliend9495 just had to Google that word is it american ?😂
Have you had any students that didn't get it? Telling them what they're doing wrong, and getting them to be able to self correct sometimes goes beyond self awareness
Everything that Troy says seems true to me. I just don't see the end result being worth the effort.
Interesting points. Guess you could say vibe is important. Lots of guys can't even get a chance to get a date with an attractive woman though. One factor is dating apps, and probably hypergamy. Attractive women want to go for the best guy they can get, which they often find on dating apps. And in hookup culture many top guys are cycling through women, which the women willfully ignore. And that leaves more normal guys struggling more to date attractive women
Normal guys will have to settle for sub 5 women. A normie can no longer betabuxx his way to date a 9/10 model. Those days are long gone.
@@ryantucker2166 well, it’s still possible to date attractive women if you’re not a rich male model, I’d say. But just is not easy.
The numbers point to my conclusion from above. I think stat is 60% young men single and 30% young women single. So the only explanation I can really see is dating app facilitated polygyny, which really is reverting back to way society has been for most of time
@@jbarkerhill92 I would say 25% of the 30% are single by choice. Let's not forget that women have ons a plenty.
@@ryantucker2166don’t settle by not playing the game and the market will autocorrect. I personally think there’s too much damage done to take women seriously.
@@joejett5084 Only 5% are playing.
we need more of you on youtube
This guy sounds exactly like stirling cooper lol
Relentlessly Self Improve
I like this point of view. Men have a burden of performance to the point if they have nothing to strive for they can feel lost and not have a purpose.
As a young man, where do you want to be when you're 40? Having a purpose and to relentlessly self improve is good a mindset in creating the frame to get there.
Troy, what's your thoughts on hiring escorts? Do you think this would be a preferable option for a lot of guys - especially guys with special needs, autism, or a physical disability who are at a natural disadvantage? Self-improvement is all very well but one shouldn't have to be doing this relentlessly just to find a decent partner - none of my relatives did. One thing about escort services is you know where you stand - the client says what they want - the escort delivers the client's request (so long as its reasonable) and gets the money.
Do it. That money is well-spent.
@@rogerblakely7453depends on pricing, quality, local laws, etc. but yeah if paid person is not insane and does decent job, I would agree.
In many ways it is a more honest transaction than the bullshit that is the "dating market".
I wish someone would articulate what the benefit is. So far it seems like everyone assumes it's self evident. There's sex, so that's what 30 minutes out of the day. Companionship, though that can turn sour. Every day becomes a job interview it seems.
Sounds like cope
@@RealTroyFrancis Mmm, cope with what? I don't bother because the juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze, and so I'm waiting for someone to say how the juice is actually worth the squeeze. Still waiting, I guess.
I taught a 55 year old....When he finally "GOT IT" he says, i'm not doing that any more, i said ,why? It doesn't seem FAIR!!!! he says, fast forward a couple of months, saw him again ,BIG smile on his face, I stopped bieng so "lucky" the minute i rolled back my behaviour etc. So got right back in the game, he is 60 now.Gets a shed load off attention off hot young women,had a 36 year old on the go ,That's not luck,that's KNOWLEDGE! That works in real life, cause and affect.
Troy, you are absolutely right about that. But please also consider: if you are actually able to obtain a relationship with a girl, you will have to be able to MAINTAIN that effort, which will make you BEG for mercy at the end of the day. So please think before acting ... ;-)
Nice coat Troy , where brand is it ?
It's William Hunt, a UK brand
Performing in a band is a great way to attract women BTW. You just focus on yourself and the groupies will show up, believe me. Even older musicians I know in their 70s and 80s always have girlfriends and often much younger.
In other words - be useful
Eh. With the topics their songs are about, I don't think that's a sure thing. 😊😊😊
That is to say, they write songs about rejection and loneliness just as much as anyone else is lamenting about it these days.
I conduct children choir, fuck
@@LearnCompositionOnline 😂
The black pill is undeniable at this point were Japan 2.0
No it's not - naive to believe that only looks count.
That's not all the Blackpill is about, that's just a big part of it.
I agree with him. It's not JapanBad, but we're on that road. Just look at Italy. Scary.
I love you Troy I think you have some great knowledge about todays dating. Though let’s be real, it all comes down to alpha fux, betas aren’t needed anymore so most men aren’t really looked at because most men just aren’t that attractive.
I really do feel sorry for a lot of men today. It’s pretty sad.
I do ok with woman but that’s based on looks and my body. And at times it still isn’t easy.
We’ve just given woman too much power these days. They only want the best of the best. Average or just above just isn’t enough for them anymore. Makes me sad for a lot of guys today, it really does.
I am cross eyed ,and do VERY WELL with hot women,looks will only get you sp far
Nope not true I’m afraid. I know because I’m living the male life of alpha fux bro, I’m not being up myself or anything just telling it how it is. My looks have given me a great advantage not many men would ever understand. I’m not saying ugly men can’t get laid or anything like that. I’m simply saying the game I’m in is different to most men.
I have had multiple Dom sub (D/s) relationships with committed Gf's. It was just what I needed and although it's not for every woman, it sure let their 'inner wh*re' out.
Dom sub (D/s) sounds like modern chord theory XD
How do I even get a girlfriend? I'm 31 and never had a girl interested in me, nor been anywhere near hooking up.
Then you have to escort or accept it’s over for you.
In my opinion heartbreak is worse than in love. Having experienced both multiple times. The heartbreak is worse. Sometimes not worth the sex or good times. Sometimes I wished I was a virgin like you because if you haven’t experienced how good a relationship love and sex is you cannot miss it. Like a blind person doesn’t know how anything looks
@@Jaapst you can have a heartbeat without a relationship
@@Jaapst Well then you don't know how hard it is to be a virgin either. Maybe the reason to why you are feeling how you are feeling is because you know how good it is but the reasons for virgins is even more so since we anticipate it being really good because of what people like you tell us, hence the need to want it becomes even bigger and not having had that becomes even more depressing.
It's just about getting to talk to women , you can't get rejected just for making random conversation , the best way is to say something situational , show confidence , eye contact , stand upright , and relax , it's just talking at this point , practice by talking to anyone
I have to visit Milan.
you have to be this and that and act like that and do that and... :D I better go fishing
what is the advice here? how do you improve that
It's just dating. What is the big deal exactly? Just go up to people and try to meet them.
I think it has a lot to do with how Gen Z was socialized (especially the men). They were never encouraged to go outside and interact with other children in any kind of spontaneous form. They rely on these dating apps because everything is pre planned and organized for them. No one has to ask any questions because they profile can just say everything for them. No one has to put themselves out there. It's the most low risk, simplistic form of dating.
Gen Z men are the worst at this because they were encouraged to spend their entire lives behind screens. They were groomed into being the perfect introverts and are incapable of simply socializing with another human being.
Do you think Gen Z women are any better? They are addicted to Instagram and Only fans and find men who cold approach creepy.
its hard to build new social groups as a man, people in general don't want to talk to men they don't already know. you have to be really damn smooth about it. Most people stay in the same social group their whole life and aren't open to some new dude just because he wants to talk to them
@@manager4409 It would help if you're tall, good-looking & white.
Since moving to the Philippines dating has been incredibly easy for me.. I am spoiled for choice with multiple girlfriends and sex and massages on demand (I never ask for these things).
Several women hand wash my clothes and cook for me every time.
I hardly spend any money on these girls and when i do spend two or three dollars they are incredibly grateful.
Dating is only hard in the West.
True.
Troy mate , I just don’t wanna have to pay for them
If that’s what we need to do, all those things, and I promise you, it’s still not enough, I’ll just be at work and taking care of my investments. I don’t want to be Daniel Craig, balzerian or whoever cause that’s a facade for the majority of us, and the veneer will inevitably thin.
"If you don't feel you have a lot to offer ... " So here is the deal, it's actually not what you ( a guy ) thinks of yourself, it's what her lizard brain thinks of you. Because, after all, mating and dating isn't the most cerebral activity 😂😂
How is it so competitive if 50% of men have checked out of dating completely lol
Hoeflation ?
Because 95% of women are only interested in the top 5% of men.
Because 50% haven't - that's a made-up stat
Great video and for discussion I think there is too much information for a man to internalise and execute without seeming incoherent. I personally think all you speak of is secondary or societal attraction.
There is also primal attraction that woman are strongly swayed by. It’s usually the reason they end up choosing the wrong guys.
For primal attraction to work just eat healthy, lift weights, and most importantly practice semen retention.
Because ultimately that is what they need from us… a large healthy dose of semen 😢
Bro just tell me your secrets of looking young lol
It seems to me that if a guy has to be taught how to be attractive to women, then he's not attractive at the DNA level. Another way to say this is that if he's not smart enough to figure out how to be appealing on his own, then he's not genuinely that way. And that's okay. Let the genuine men take charge of the dating scene.
Not true
most "genuine men" pull girls only from their own social circle. They stay in the same area where they already know people and don't leave that group, so theyre never really approaching or joining new groups. Men who are aware of the game like troy at least understand the dynamics of how to do that if you move to a new city where you don't know anyone. Most "naturals" as you say, can't handle talking to people they don't already know
Hey Troy!
Men don’t want to date anymore, specially modern western women, is better to be single .
Sex bots. Men will be the biggest consumer. Sorted.
Nah, they'll ban them.
Most young guys in their 20s are none of those things, very good looking or well above average looks ie handsome and or wealthy and have alot of money, 90 percent of men in that age ran are either average looks or below average, and we know that because over 80 percent of single men online are considered not attractive by women, this leaves the top ten plus percent who have the primary sexual selection available to them, and most are broke or barely getting by in terms of finances in their early 20s.
Guys get your passports. Problem solved 👌
Bro you're in your late 40s and living like a teen. Bro wtf
Great isn’t it? 🤣😜
@@RealTroyFrancisno and you should probably not be telling guys to live like that, they should be forming good relationships
Just say "Manosphere" its fine brah. Its a super dumb name. Thats why its great.
harsh
It’s not that competitive, it’s just that you’re going about it the wrong way. Once you discard the notion that every rejection is due to you ‘not being good enough’ or ‘women are all chasing a 1% Chad’ , get off the internet/online dating and realise that 99% of women’s behaviour is geared around either obtaining attention or avoiding being seen as ‘easy’, you see that dating really is just pretty straightforward and plenty of normal guys are dating normal girls in normal ways, and that ‘game’ and anything related to pickup culture does not apply to 99% of successful dating scenarios
On the contrary, when you understand what ‘game’ actually is you realise is DOES apply in 99% of dating scenarios.