That movement by the rubber bushing maintains a certain level of ride quality and comfort in your car. Unless you are tracking your car where you require really stiff, precise suspension, you have no need for polyurethane bushings.
OEM is a multitude of compromises. All of it. the entire car. If you don't mind a rougher ride, they will make your car handle better in every way, except ride quality. Depends on what's important to you.
I put del alum bushings on my 1970 muscle car and it took the friction out of the linkages so my suspension worked better. Ride was quite smooth! That's why I'm looking at getting them for my Chevy truck but it appears the effects won't be that good.
I respect the informative video but the rubber bushing on that suspension component is much more complex than just looking at the movement and concluding it is inferior (more tyre wear etc). Manufacturers can just make a flat surface rubber bushing that has little to no movement if movement is the measure of quality and stability in suspension. However, they do not and instead make intricately designed bushes. You can see the shape is by design and intricate with crafted space on horizontal axis but little space on the vertical axis (not to mention the shape of the connective rubber inside) and not simply just filled in. This construction is allowing intended deflection and controlled movement where required under load and changes characteristics on increasing loads.
I helped Graham Smith, aka Mr Fulcrum, develop these excellent bushes. I also worked with Kevin at Kmac suspension, and Nolathane. Some of my original ideas are incorporated, but Fulcrum and I worked togetherwell. I was a 30yr true suspension specialist. Fulcrum, Pedders, all the top builders bought reconditioned, custom designed and built parts of all kinds from me. Fulcrum do great work.
@@FlattardiansSuck good if there is a video on drilling & fitting old arms to fit in nipples for purpose of annual or bi annual injection of silicone grease. For keeping down NVH would such PU bushes have shore hardness of
i installed superpro bushes into my ba xr6 falcon . it made the ride very harsh. i had to sell the car. it was a kit for that car, and how was i supposed to know of the bush hardness. never again will i use poly bushes. just imagine how the poly hard bushes are causing stresses to the car frame etc.
I have read on some install articles that they use teflon liners inside the bushing to prevent binding once the grease runs out. I am sure you have researched about this. Is there any reason you don't use teflon in your products?
Hey Ivan, we don’t use Teflon liners as we don’t need to - between the design of our bushes and the proprietary material we use means that the bushing remains slippery after the initial excess grease has worked its way out. We dictate that you grease the bushes on install to make installation easier and to ensure your bushings last a lifetime. Once your SuperPro bushes are greased there will be residual grease left behind which is trapped in the knurling and the surface of the bores. The exception to this are our greaseable shackles, which are for 4WDs where the bushes can be subjected to immersion in water , dust mud etc - we use our proprietary grease to pump out the foreign materials and keep the bushes/shackle lubricated. We created a good video on greasing SuperPro bushes the other day and its on our UA-cam channel. It has a tonne of good info :)
Dont waste your time with Polyutherane bushes like these. This Guy is just a snake oil salesman trying to flog his product. Rubber bushes are much better unless your racing a car . Rubber Bushes are quiter and smoother and generate less road noise and you never have to take your suspension apart vs Poly where you have take your suspenevery apart every few years to grease them becasue they squeak . Rubber bushes tend to last about 20 years , so I would rather take my suspension apart every 20 years vs Poly where you have to your suspenion apart every 1 to 2 years to grease them to stop them squeaking. I had Poly bushes and they squeaked every time I drove thru a Puddle and had regrease them every time . I now stick to OEM rubber and dont have to worry about driving in the rain etc and taking my supsension apart all the time to grease.
Hello Artifex, how is your IS200 with PU bush kit?. Same NVH but better is handling?. I am considering Superpro PU bushes for my W211 E200k next year . Regards.
Got the squeak out of my poly control arm bushings... Got rid of them along with body mounts, engine mounts, trans mounts, mainly because they make of a harsher ride on my 69 nova cruiser.
It's evident that you've utilized inexpensive polyurethane bushes and hold the misconception that all polyurethane bushes are identical, which is not accurate.
Hi I am thinking about replacing stock sway bar mount rubber bushings on my 2004 BMW E46 325i with SuperPro bushings, but my concern is if one-wheel bump would become harsher. Any ideas? Thanks.
It really just makes your stock sway bar more effective to its fullest potential, I think wheel lift would happen more often with a stiffer front sway bar
After buying, complete both front control arms and arb bushing and driving only on pavement with no off-road use i had the disappointment to see that after 10k km they've gone as soft as chewing gum it's worse then rubber! Used on Outlander 2013 2.2did 150bhp.
What do you recommend for a 79 C10 ? I want the original feel but to perform but also don't want them to squeel after a while like other polyurethane bushings
Original feel is rubber. all rubber. harder bushings make harsher ride. I don't have to worry about it on my 78 C20. It has steel bushings in the front end stock. only the sway bar bushings and rear leaf spring bushings are rubber...lol. It drives a lot tighter than my 77 C10 Heavy half and 87 R10 did. Leans a lot less but it rides like a truck.
I have moog sway bar links for my 04 mustang, the bushing looks to be a white hard plastic but I’m wondering if anyone would know what they’re made of ?
Hey Mate, for an exact price it would be best if you contact one of our distributors directly. They will be able to offer you a good price! If you are looking to get something custom done which we have not made yet or catalogued, send us an email through our contact us page :)
SuperPro Suspension Parts well was hoping to get a great price without the mark up if possible and/or check to see if u had new upgraded advanced materials for 2020 and beyond if they were available.
ONe big point this salesman miss, COMFORT and Years of research why we use rubber bushing for cars, even in high performance GT-R. This is a junkyards fix for poor cars owner who wants to get firm ride and sacrifice comfort.
You were right for many years. I've used poly bushes for 30 years to try and get better handling performance from my Cars. In the early days, they handled much better than rubber, but they were rough riding and squeaked in no time, no matter how many times that you greased them. I've been using these superpro bushes for about 5 years now and they are terrific. I've done the whole front ends of late model Falcon's here and the difference has been unbelievable. Huge gains in handling and feel, with no squeaks or added NVH. In fact, combining these in your suspension with Bilstein shocks makes such an enormous difference that it's honestly hard to believe that you are driving the same Car. Cheers.
@@Mr357Cleveland I agree at certain degrees. As long as the rate and the movement of the suspension still the same, polyurethane is better. But many changes the movement of the system completely and ruin the design.
@@rondhole Yes, I agree. It's pretty easy to turn a nice Car into a pile of junk if you're not careful. I'm fairly impressed with these guys use of different grades in different locations, and adding voids in certain bushes to allow controlled deformation on hard impacts. I've replaced a few oil filled bushes in lower control arms with these Superpro bushes, it's amazed me that there has been no noticeable increase in impact harshness but a really noticeable gain in stability, particularly under brakes. I wish these had been around in my youth! Cheers.
@@Mr357Cleveland in 5 years of superpro bushes are alignment values holding much longer & drifted less when on OEM rubber bushing?. You mentioned that NVH value is still good vs better handling - this is due to void designed into your bushes?. Are you still referring to Superpro bushes? Double the lifespan of OEM rubber bush would be a bonus. Looks like I have to find out more on Superpro before making the jump. Maybe yours is street package Superpro rather than track package Superpro?. Regards
Can I get a polyurethane Bushing for my hip replacement
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Yeah you guys know better than ford, general motors and all the rest of the motor companies.
That movement by the rubber bushing maintains a certain level of ride quality and comfort in your car. Unless you are tracking your car where you require really stiff, precise suspension, you have no need for polyurethane bushings.
Then you go oem. Probably get a gold card discount also.
OEM is a multitude of compromises. All of it. the entire car. If you don't mind a rougher ride, they will make your car handle better in every way, except ride quality. Depends on what's important to you.
agree 100%
@@weskirkland5850 we wanna gap mfers and feel safe doing it!!!
I put del alum bushings on my 1970 muscle car and it took the friction out of the linkages so my suspension worked better. Ride was quite smooth! That's why I'm looking at getting them for my Chevy truck but it appears the effects won't be that good.
I respect the informative video but the rubber bushing on that suspension component is much more complex than just looking at the movement and concluding it is inferior (more tyre wear etc).
Manufacturers can just make a flat surface rubber bushing that has little to no movement if movement is the measure of quality and stability in suspension.
However, they do not and instead make intricately designed bushes. You can see the shape is by design and intricate with crafted space on horizontal axis but little space on the vertical axis (not to mention the shape of the connective rubber inside) and not simply just filled in.
This construction is allowing intended deflection and controlled movement where required under load and changes characteristics on increasing loads.
I helped Graham Smith, aka Mr Fulcrum, develop these excellent bushes. I also worked with Kevin at Kmac suspension, and Nolathane. Some of my original ideas are incorporated, but Fulcrum and I worked togetherwell. I was a 30yr true suspension specialist. Fulcrum, Pedders, all the top builders bought reconditioned, custom designed and built parts of all kinds from me. Fulcrum do great work.
@@FlattardiansSuck good if there is a video on drilling & fitting old arms to fit in nipples for purpose of annual or bi annual injection of silicone grease. For keeping down NVH would such PU bushes have shore hardness of
How much duro for polyurethane to retain comfort?
The 70 he showed looked pretty good.
just a salesman trying to get more customers
How long do you warranty the ball joints on your control arms?
i installed superpro bushes into my ba xr6 falcon . it made the ride very harsh. i had to sell the car. it was a kit for that car, and how was i supposed to know of the bush hardness. never again will i use poly bushes. just imagine how the poly hard bushes are causing stresses to the car frame etc.
I have read on some install articles that they use teflon liners inside the bushing to prevent binding once the grease runs out. I am sure you have researched about this. Is there any reason you don't use teflon in your products?
Hey Ivan, we don’t use Teflon liners as we don’t need to - between the design of our bushes and the proprietary material we use means that the bushing remains slippery after the initial excess grease has worked its way out.
We dictate that you grease the bushes on install to make installation easier and to ensure your bushings last a lifetime. Once your SuperPro bushes are greased there will be residual grease left behind which is trapped in the knurling and the surface of the bores.
The exception to this are our greaseable shackles, which are for 4WDs where the bushes can be subjected to immersion in water , dust mud etc - we use our proprietary grease to pump out the foreign materials and keep the bushes/shackle lubricated.
We created a good video on greasing SuperPro bushes the other day and its on our UA-cam channel. It has a tonne of good info :)
@@SuperProSuspensionParts Got ya. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Lexus LX470 just replaced rear arm with poly busy and its a rough ride and bouncing ..rubber was a better smooth ride
Dont waste your time with Polyutherane bushes like these. This Guy is just a snake oil salesman trying to flog his product. Rubber bushes are much better unless your racing a car . Rubber Bushes are quiter and smoother and generate less road noise and you never have to take your suspension apart vs Poly where you have take your suspenevery apart every few years to grease them becasue they squeak . Rubber bushes tend to last about 20 years , so I would rather take my suspension apart every 20 years vs Poly where you have to your suspenion apart every 1 to 2 years to grease them to stop them squeaking. I had Poly bushes and they squeaked every time I drove thru a Puddle and had regrease them every time . I now stick to OEM rubber and dont have to worry about driving in the rain etc and taking my supsension apart all the time to grease.
Thanks for the info👍🏻
you're supposed to use teflon tape and grease and it wont squeak
I'm sure it's proprietary, but what type of poly do you use? MDI? TDI?
Rubber is better
No, it isn't you are just set in your ways.
Was looking forward to having knurling inside my bushings but after ordering a whole host of them for my car, none had it, all smooth.
Good to know, I specifically asked SuperPro and StrongFlex for each bushing if it had the knurling to make sure if it did.
Hi guys, how long have you been using different grades of polyurethane for? I bought the kit for the is200 in 2017 but I’m only just fitting them now
Hello Artifex, how is your IS200 with PU bush kit?. Same NVH but better is handling?. I am considering Superpro PU bushes for my W211 E200k next year . Regards.
Has anyone done a full poly bush kit for a honda accord euro r cl7 2003 ?
I have the same vehicle. I’m here for the same thing
Alright ..does it make noise ?
What do you think of SuperPro bushes for diff bushes in FGs? Does it make a lot of road noise and harshness compared to factory OEM ones?
Yes...Yes it does.
Got the squeak out of my poly control arm bushings... Got rid of them along with body mounts, engine mounts, trans mounts, mainly because they make of a harsher ride on my 69 nova cruiser.
It's evident that you've utilized inexpensive polyurethane bushes and hold the misconception that all polyurethane bushes are identical, which is not accurate.
Hi I am thinking about replacing stock sway bar mount rubber bushings on my 2004 BMW E46 325i with SuperPro bushings, but my concern is if one-wheel bump would become harsher. Any ideas? Thanks.
It really just makes your stock sway bar more effective to its fullest potential, I think wheel lift would happen more often with a stiffer front sway bar
After buying, complete both front control arms and arb bushing and driving only on pavement with no off-road use i had the disappointment to see that after 10k km they've gone as soft as chewing gum it's worse then rubber! Used on Outlander 2013 2.2did 150bhp.
It sounds like this video was a whole lot of time...
About 05:53 time measurements.
Indonesia still waiting your product
What do you recommend for a 79 C10 ? I want the original feel but to perform but also don't want them to squeel after a while like other polyurethane bushings
Original feel is rubber. all rubber. harder bushings make harsher ride. I don't have to worry about it on my 78 C20. It has steel bushings in the front end stock. only the sway bar bushings and rear leaf spring bushings are rubber...lol. It drives a lot tighter than my 77 C10 Heavy half and 87 R10 did. Leans a lot less but it rides like a truck.
Very informative. Thank you!
Do you make for 2019 and above subaru xv?
can it use for 3 ton lorry that carry 15000-35000 lbs of load?
I have moog sway bar links for my 04 mustang, the bushing looks to be a white hard plastic but I’m wondering if anyone would know what they’re made of ?
So you just skip the notorious squeaking these things are known for uhn? smh.
Super Pro bushes don't squeak back to the drawing board Ivan.
Do you make any poly bushes for the 2003 Range rover L322 with the TD6 engine ??
do you have a good set for the 1989 c4 corvette
Hi, do you do bush kits for 2010 Toyota Isis Platana, front and back??
I run a SuperPro roller stopper kit under my boosted Mitsubishi...no complaints at all
Pajero?
What’s the cost from the factory for a older 1995 corvette C4 Bush kit for the whole car front to rear and axle Bush???????
Hey Mate, for an exact price it would be best if you contact one of our distributors directly. They will be able to offer you a good price! If you are looking to get something custom done which we have not made yet or catalogued, send us an email through our contact us page :)
SuperPro Suspension Parts well was hoping to get a great price without the mark up if possible and/or check to see if u had new upgraded advanced materials for 2020 and beyond if they were available.
@@marknowakowski6590 we only sell direct to customers if you have a trade account with us. Please call our trade department on 1800 385 278.
Do you have product front & rear arm bushing micra/march K13 too? Any the catalog bushing from K13? Thanks
ONe big point this salesman miss, COMFORT and Years of research why we use rubber bushing for cars, even in high performance GT-R. This is a junkyards fix for poor cars owner who wants to get firm ride and sacrifice comfort.
You were right for many years. I've used poly bushes for 30 years to try and get better handling performance from my Cars. In the early days, they handled much better than rubber, but they were rough riding and squeaked in no time, no matter how many times that you greased them. I've been using these superpro bushes for about 5 years now and they are terrific. I've done the whole front ends of late model Falcon's here and the difference has been unbelievable. Huge gains in handling and feel, with no squeaks or added NVH. In fact, combining these in your suspension with Bilstein shocks makes such an enormous difference that it's honestly hard to believe that you are driving the same Car. Cheers.
@@Mr357Cleveland I agree at certain degrees. As long as the rate and the movement of the suspension still the same, polyurethane is better. But many changes the movement of the system completely and ruin the design.
@@rondhole Yes, I agree. It's pretty easy to turn a nice Car into a pile of junk if you're not careful. I'm fairly impressed with these guys use of different grades in different locations, and adding voids in certain bushes to allow controlled deformation on hard impacts. I've replaced a few oil filled bushes in lower control arms with these Superpro bushes, it's amazed me that there has been no noticeable increase in impact harshness but a really noticeable gain in stability, particularly under brakes. I wish these had been around in my youth! Cheers.
@@Mr357Cleveland in 5 years of superpro bushes are alignment values holding much longer & drifted less when on OEM rubber bushing?.
You mentioned that NVH value is still good vs better handling - this is due to void designed into your bushes?. Are you still referring to Superpro bushes? Double the lifespan of OEM rubber bush would be a bonus.
Looks like I have to find out more on Superpro before making the jump. Maybe yours is street package Superpro rather than track package Superpro?.
Regards