So, 1000 times worst than the PMDG 737 now you've flown it???? Just kidding! - Welcome to XP12 and thanks for finally flying the ZIBO MOD - Looks like you were impressed and gave a good analysis of the MOD of its current state in XP12! It still needs a lot of work to get to where it was in XP11 but there have been significant improvements since release. Laminar are still tweaking/changing a lot of things each update which is requiring a lot of changes to the MOD too - pitch power should be within a degree/couple % of most phases and configurations now. I noticed you said the trim is taking a long time when you levelled off? Were you quite out of trim? The trim speed/rotation of wheel and stabiliser movement should be identical to the real 737 unless it needs looking at/has become broken - The aircrafts reaction to trim changes has always been far better IMO than the PMDG 737 where I find it takes absolutely ages for the aircraft to get into trim. The change of attitude/ROD to trim changes was based on time spent in the Full Motion Sim by a number of people providing feedback both clean and with flaps extended but stab trim authority can change with Laminar updates - will look into it. Looks like you hit the XP12 exaggerated ground effect during landing! I think take off/landing handling is significantly better in the MOD - you should really try out a crosswind take off/landing, the inputs you need to make are almost identical to the real thing. Curious to hear your feedback with more virtual hours logged. ZIBO is always looking for input too. You will find the systems modelling in the PMDG is better but I think the MOD handles 👌 Until next time! FD2S
@@majoraviatior1611 Lol, like Not being able to enter winds aloft during cruise? Like having the PMDG setup menu in the FMC? Like lack of a EFB? What is your basis?
what ive found better about the zibo is that on autopilot, the yoke actually moves fast in heavy turbulence to fly normally. And on autoland, the yoke really feels like its making realistic inputs. on the pmdg, it feels way too stiff
The way the wheels keep rolling after takeoff is one of my favorites too. And the actual effects like the fire, or water spray, or even god damn condensation on a humid day when you give it the beans. You’ll see water vapor in front of the engines
I have all the great planes that have come out in MSFS like the Fenix, PMDGs, MDs… Nothing, nothing comes close to how satisfying it is to fly the Zibo. It is simply amazing.
You love what you love doesnt matter what anyone else think all that matters is what you feel. 💯 ppl will choose xplane because they feel something that they cant get anywhere else.. and ppl will choose msfs because they get a feeling that they cant get anywhere else... all in all.. we are here for one thing that we all love ✈️✈️✈️✈️ happy flyings and good luck on your training ❤
Is Zibo ready for Xplane 12? Shame you didn't try sooner. I love this plane so much I haven't bothered to get the PMDG (still using xp11). The soundscapes with this plane as well as the cabin views is what keeps me engaged with this version... Makes it feel more real. You can hear the pumps, the cabin crew, you can feel the ground, and landing it well is so satisfying. The nose down moment is an Xplane thing, not Zibo. Get that with many planes
i hope the Zibo team reunite by some miracle and complete the free 747. not sure if its because im biased towards the 737 but when i played XP11 Zibos 73-8 and 73-7 is the only one i use and have over a thousand hours on. beating like 6 great payware aircraft
Thanks, this was really interesting. I'm an occasional flyer of the big birds but I love the GA scene in MSFS so I'll probably stick with that. I did fly X-Plane 11 a lot before MSFS came out and with the Orbx TrueEarth packages it was palatable, but not any more.
I am using autooorthos that streams orthophotos. I use it to train my real GA-flights. I don’t miss anything and the flight feeling with XP is simply better. MSFS has too many flaws for me.
Thanks for trying it out. I think X-plane 12 has the basics to become a very nice flying and looking sim. It needs a lot of visual improvements that they're working on. The team is not as big as the Asobo team. I still very much prefer the flight feel in X-plane from the paper plane feel in MSFS 2020. Just my personal private pilot opinion.
I agree, MSFS is lacking inertia. Even the big birds feel like private planes. But honestly, given the sparse time I got for simming, I very much appreciate the great looks MSFS gives me right out of the box. Form what we could see, flight dynamiscs should be improved in MSFS2024 as well…
@@perosieshtasiguaal3697 My PC crashed and I'm not willing to spend hours setting everything back up for my flight sims so I've fallen out of sims for now - I think it's funny too that people are so obsessed with the EFB. I guess "Captain" Randazzo has a big history of overpromising and underdelivering so people get wild lol.
@@OmnipotentEnt Calling it an obsession is just unfair to paying customers, who, as you described, are twiddling their thumbs as they are continuously led on. You have to ask yourself, how much $ has PMDG collected since release? Then factor in at least *some* carry over work from previous 737s for other sims, and then realize it's been over a year since initial release. I appreciate they are adding more than just a performance calculator to the EFB (albeit probably not thatttt much more since they said they will be expanding on it in the future), but also look at their competitors and how a basic performance calculator has become standard. Anybody who wants to spend the time spooling up a 737 from cold and dark enjoys simming "realistically" enough that they deserve a basic performance calculator given the wide theatres of operations & various applications of the 737. Again, it's about paying a "lot" of money, and being continuously led on for months. They just need more transparency - the whole "it's almost in beta/it's in testing/needs more testing" is just getting old.
They update zibo quite a lot so keep that in mind. I have both Steam and Solo versions of X12. Both work well in the graphics medium settings. But I'm not running your specs. I actually have an I9 with a Radeon rx 580, 32g ram, and I get good frames..as well as MSFS 2020. I wonder if the pc specs have an impact with x12...since you have to lower your settings. And the demo for me was impacting my system until i got the full version. Also running in beta. Just suggestions I have been through. :) Great landing though!
😂😂😂 On a quick note though, I'm not sure about the US, but in general within airspace A, B and C there is no speed limit, neither above or below FL100. Normally operators will impose one, but legally you could go faster as long as you are within those airspace classes. There might be local regulations in place of course.
While you won't get a freeware MFSF 737, you will get an FBW A380. It will be the counter to the ZIBO freeware. The PMDG is the ZIBO-like MSFS aircraft.
@@VirtualAviationAviator I'm also eagerly awaiting the A-220 (Synaptic). I got to see the original Bombardier C-100 testing at my home airport... Soooo amazing, whisper quiet at 240 kts, 100' above the runway! Beautiful Canadian engineering! I don't even care that Airbus bought the rights and rebranded... It was designed and prototyped in Canada and sold to Airbus only because the Americans (as usual) pitched a fit that the plane was too competitive to Boeing!
@@Jay-Ryan I don't know if you're familiar with Hot Start. Hot Start is the dev who created the Bombardier Challenger 650 for X-Plane. The C650 has been the most immersive aircraft for any simulator for over a year now. Hot Start has announced its next project to be the Airbus A220. They said they plan to code it in such a way that it could be ported to MSFS. The project is probably a couple years away.
Thanks for the video, great to see you in the man’s simulator, XP! I would really advise you to look into the upcoming release of IXEG 733 release. The XP11 version is a gem to fly, developed by a real pilot. The XP12 version should be spot on regarding hand flying and the overall feel. One other add on that really helps in XP is XPrealistic, it adds a little bit of artificial feel to the flight, especially when set for subtle cockpit vibrations on touchdown, I think it has a free 7 day trial. If you fly more often in XP11 or 12, you should add yourself to the airspace public map, so we can watch you flight in real time, just search XP public airspace map, takes 1 min to setup from XP data menu and also helps you navigate as it shows your aircraft in a moving map which you can watch on a second pic or tablet. Cheers.
But isn’t the trim in the pmdg even slower? Like, painfully slow. Also, Zibo has a nice touch that the trim wheel keeps going by inertia. It would be nice if you also compared taxiing, there is a huge difference and XP just feels way better (pmdg should really fix this, like come on). I’ve only recently purchased the pmdg and also find it quite nice, so to each their own. I’ll personally fly the Zibo more as it just feels more fun personally (once you get things up and running properly, which can be a pain). Looking forward to your next review video, cheers!
The engine sounds on the zibo sound much closer to what I hear from other real cockpit 737 videos. I have no idea if that is better or not since I have never flown in a 737 flight deck but the pmdg engine sounds are much louder below around 80% n1. I wonder which is more accurate?
I don't know how it is in MSFS, but in XP you can freely set the volume of various elements of the simulation: aircraft exterior, aircraft interior, radios, environmental, copilot, etc, etc ... From what I remember, it can also be adjusted directly from the ZIBO level.
Why do people always compare the zibo and the PMDG? It’s not like you have a choice anyway. If you fly with XP there is no PMDG and if you fly on msfs there is no zibo.
I find it only natural that good freeware is compared with the best payware if they both model the same airplane. Of course you have a choice, many use both sims.
great video Emi! Would you be willing to work with Zibo to improve the project and make the airplane even more realistic (especially the trim)? We would be forever greatful sir!!
Thank you so much! I'd love to - but just don't have the time. I'm already testing for PMDG, helping three other devs on smaller projects, running the channel and of course have a full time job. There's just no capacity left to take on another project.
Nice vid. I believe the Zibo conversion to XP12 is not quite finished yet and Zibo is aware of many issues. FD2S has been providing a lot of feedback to Mr. Zibo
I have did some test back in XP11 version, both Zibo and LvUp could no hold the parameters as shown in Unreliable Airspeed table, while PMDG NGXu in P3Dv4 almost spot on, but weirdly you can't set unreliable airspeed failure in NGXu.
Just Flight said their port overs to XP 12 have sold horribly and they lost money on it (check Avsim "Just Flight Fokker F-28 release date Wed 12th July" thread, page 16). Just Flight will focus on MSFS going forward. Looks like XP 12 is struggling.
@@A330Driver Yup, I agree. Just Flight are just looking out for themselves. They need to make a profit, they can't afford to lose money on their projects. It may be possible that other 3rd party developers for XP 12 will start to report what Just Flight is reporting over the next year. I guess we will see.
@@activex7327 Yup, I agree. Just Flight saying their add-ons sold poorly in XP 12 reminds me of Aerosoft saying the same thing about P3D back in 2020/2021. None of the P3D holdouts believed Aerosoft. But then other 3rd party developers for P3D confirmed what Aerosoft was experiencing - Milviz, Aeroplane Heaven, PMDG, etc, and eventually even FSLabs. Is what Just Flight saying about XP 12, similar to what Aerosoft said about P3D? I guess time will tell.
You wonder why so many are using a sim made and advertised by the biggest software-company in the world? Do you think this is automatically a sign of quality?
@@goldgamer8446 I would say so, if the overwhelmingly majority move off from P3D/XP to MSFS I would say quality would be a big factor in that decision process for a customer to move to different sims, and just from my personally experience with P3D and XP, the MSFS quality is much better, especially over P3D.
This comparison is just as much about the dev as it is the base sim. Last I heard PMDG don't use the default 2020 flight model. I don't think Zibo does either, but it's tough to tell because it's a compiled addon, not a readable set of script files. Please do elaborate on the flap pitching moments!
U guys need to stop bashing the sim if u never played it if u guys are too broke to buy it just say that MSFS and Xplane are good in their own ways stop comparing a billion dollar company to laminar research
There was it again: I am Emanuel, I am a (former) 737 pilot 😁 Thanks for the Video 👍 The Zibo Mod is great and the fidelity of X Plane is still the best on the market
Good for you, flying the other sim. Both sims have strong and weak points. Overall, I still have trouble landing the PMDG, which to me bears little resemblance to the real airplane near the ground. However! I think it's great to have aviation professionals grading the 2 sims against the real airplane and against each other. I love that in fact. Because as pilots and enthusiasts, we just want the most accurate sim. Where there is real testing and comparison by the numbers, there is benefit for the end users. That's what the community wants. (Not freaky visual "rescue missions" and ultra detailed rocks.)
Speak for yourself. Some of the community do like rescue missions and realistic rocks. After all rescue missions are part of aviation as well, not just staring at a magenta line after you've loaded a bunch of waypoints into your FMS. And of course realistic flight dynamics etc are really important too. I woudn't exclude anything over something else, it's about the complete experience to me. But then I don't spend most of my time at or above FL300 (though I do like flying airliners accasionally as well).
@@paulwilson8367 Perhaps indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if this eventually turns into a transport sim of sorts. What's to stop Microsoft from improving their sim to such an extent that you actually drive along all the roads in a car. You can alrady do that to some extent, albeit not very realistic.
I've been trying to do a simple flight b/w KDFW and KCOS last week and the plane goes haywire when it catches the localizer. Tried the day after and got the exact same behaviour. So not a success for now :/
Just to rule out the most common error: You are aware that you have to set your LOC course to the final course (or a couple of deg within), right? Otherwise the plane will indeed go 'haywire' and will even try to intercept the back course. Also you need to intercept LOC before GS. The 73 normally doesn't allow for GS before LOC, and it doesn't like GS intercept from above...
It's not hard at all if you know where to look :) Here is the link where the updates are posted drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RHz4PQqWNGGpVG9GaHr84kuGs8LM2xyK?usp=drive_link
@@smash_1389 now try and download the latest version and see what it says.. under the XP12 folder. Mine says can't download. Also there was a version 5.5, now I only see V4??
@@delg551 Sorry, didn't know that, I've switched from XP11 to MSFS so I'm not really up to date.. I tought that you don't know where to find the updates.. But download works for me for V4.
I suspect quite a few of these flightmodel issues are caused by the introduction of the updated aerodynamics in X-Plane 12, as they were (AFAIK) perfected in X-Plane 11 with the help of flightdeck2sim among others. As for the pitching down moment on flare, that's unfortunately a limitation of X-Plane's weird ground effect
Nice review! Are you still consulting for PMDG? I'm thinking that might be why you couldn't say which you preferred? I just wish the graphics engine of MSFS and the physics engine of XP could have a baby.
I'm still helping PMDG, yes. But no, the reason why I didn't want to say which one I liked better is for the reason that I simply don't have enough experience with the zibo to make an informed decision.
@@goldgamer8446 it seems to be some update. I tried the base version without any of the updates and it loads fine. After I paste an update folder in it, it stops loading.
@@Persojet I have the latest update. You have to carefully read the installation notices, especially when updating major iterations, otherwise it can break some stuff.
PMDG can be so good that they simulate the hydraulic fluid as they say ("flowing inside the tubes of the 3d model lol"), but the combination X-plane + Zibo is much more immersive.
No wayy. I’m a Qantas 737 pilot and have experienced both. Pmdg and msfs along with gsx pacx fsrealistic knocks xplane and zibo out of the ball park in terms of immersion….
@goldgamer8446 I have other tools that take the place of the EFB on PMDG planes. And the Xplane pilots in my VA actually have to do more work because they don't have RTA functions on zibo or toliss when we implement time based restrictions into airports during group flights.
@@thegroundedpilot536 Again: people are tired of the PMDG not having an EFB state of the art. Almost nobody uses or wants RTA-functionalities. Start a survey if you want and see the results. I bet 100$ that most of users would want an EFB rather than RTA, if the survey is balanced and not biased by asking only within a particular group.
@@thegroundedpilot536 If you use Simbrief properly by entering the accurate flight time, leaving the CI to auto will give you the proper CI to arrive on time. I consistently arrive within 3 minutes of the real world flight on FlightAware in XP11/12. And I can also enter winds aloft data for EVERY waypoint. PMDG will not allow entry of enroute winds for each fix.
@goldgamer8446 what is an efb good for when compared to what you could have on your own tablet? Why not use a tool that is just as good or even more in depth like airplane toolbox, and have a ui friendly charts from navigraph or foreflight. I can get good enough landing and takeoff data with a variety of aircraft already with varying conditions and ahortened runways.
Laminar has always stated they have been working on creating a realistic SIMULATOR, not a game you can fly with a console controller. XP11 was certified with certain hardware to be loggable flight hours with FAA, but it would be impossible regardless since Microsoft owns Xbox and conflict of interest ($$$).
@@angelicguru4066efb is coming soon. If your unhappy of people saying g facts actually go back to msfs because facts are facts. Now I wouldn’t say pmdg isn’t 1000 times better But it is definetly more immersive
@@majoraviatior1611 I have MSFS as well but stopped using it. But when i used it, the PMDG 737 was the best airliner available in my opinion. But I didn’t notice any better immersion with it than with Zibo, they are quite equal. Or perhaps you can explain what is more immersive. The missing EFB hurts.
I must say, I am very disappointed to see you waste your money on x-plane. That sim is dead and forgotten, and it is an ugly rip-off. Just forget about it.
So, 1000 times worst than the PMDG 737 now you've flown it???? Just kidding! - Welcome to XP12 and thanks for finally flying the ZIBO MOD - Looks like you were impressed and gave a good analysis of the MOD of its current state in XP12! It still needs a lot of work to get to where it was in XP11 but there have been significant improvements since release. Laminar are still tweaking/changing a lot of things each update which is requiring a lot of changes to the MOD too - pitch power should be within a degree/couple % of most phases and configurations now.
I noticed you said the trim is taking a long time when you levelled off? Were you quite out of trim? The trim speed/rotation of wheel and stabiliser movement should be identical to the real 737 unless it needs looking at/has become broken - The aircrafts reaction to trim changes has always been far better IMO than the PMDG 737 where I find it takes absolutely ages for the aircraft to get into trim. The change of attitude/ROD to trim changes was based on time spent in the Full Motion Sim by a number of people providing feedback both clean and with flaps extended but stab trim authority can change with Laminar updates - will look into it. Looks like you hit the XP12 exaggerated ground effect during landing!
I think take off/landing handling is significantly better in the MOD - you should really try out a crosswind take off/landing, the inputs you need to make are almost identical to the real thing.
Curious to hear your feedback with more virtual hours logged. ZIBO is always looking for input too. You will find the systems modelling in the PMDG is better but I think the MOD handles 👌
Until next time!
FD2S
Yeah handling and takeoff and landing and taxiing is better in the zibo but on the pmdg cruise and systems are more realistic
@@m3taleye now that would be a great collab
@@majoraviatior1611 which systems exactly? Can you elaborate a bit?
@@goldgamer8446 ask fd2sim. Autopilot logic, holds, hydraulics etc
@@majoraviatior1611 Lol, like Not being able to enter winds aloft during cruise? Like having the PMDG setup menu in the FMC? Like lack of a EFB? What is your basis?
what ive found better about the zibo is that on autopilot, the yoke actually moves fast in heavy turbulence to fly normally. And on autoland, the yoke really feels like its making realistic inputs. on the pmdg, it feels way too stiff
One thing I love about X-plane. Actual proper landing gear suspension simulation. MSFS lacks big time there.
That's really a problem in msfs! 😂
The way the wheels keep rolling after takeoff is one of my favorites too. And the actual effects like the fire, or water spray, or even god damn condensation on a humid day when you give it the beans. You’ll see water vapor in front of the engines
learnt the 73 on zibo but switched over to pmdg msfs as soon as it was released. watching this brought back good memories lol
Same I used to fly the zibo all the time in 2019 and the sounds are giving me deja vu
The zibo sound pack sounds much better than PMDG sound pack, like the decelerating sound, in my opinion.
The fix for the pmdg is using a different sound pack.
the ZIBO sounds are too base boosted and overdramatized compared to the real thing, but the FTsim soundpack for the PMDG is definitely a must for me.
@loric1322 I'm using the FTsim sound back ots just that all other sound have been removed like flaps, apu, others cockpit sounds and GPWS call outs
@@davidwhite8495 you must have a different version, because I have all those sounds you just listed.
@@DiamondAviation727 Is there a video that shows how to install it properly?
I have all the great planes that have come out in MSFS like the Fenix, PMDGs, MDs…
Nothing, nothing comes close to how satisfying it is to fly the Zibo. It is simply amazing.
... And also IXEG 737-300 and MU2 Toga (but it's a smaller bird) ;-)
You love what you love doesnt matter what anyone else think all that matters is what you feel. 💯 ppl will choose xplane because they feel something that they cant get anywhere else.. and ppl will choose msfs because they get a feeling that they cant get anywhere else... all in all.. we are here for one thing that we all love ✈️✈️✈️✈️ happy flyings and good luck on your training ❤
Is Zibo ready for Xplane 12? Shame you didn't try sooner. I love this plane so much I haven't bothered to get the PMDG (still using xp11). The soundscapes with this plane as well as the cabin views is what keeps me engaged with this version... Makes it feel more real. You can hear the pumps, the cabin crew, you can feel the ground, and landing it well is so satisfying. The nose down moment is an Xplane thing, not Zibo. Get that with many planes
Yeah I got the pmdg and was dissapointed with the sounds compared to the zibo, everything else is great though.
It was ready from day 1 early access of X-Plane 12
It's good to be able to fly in both XP and MSFS. Your sim looking better. Good luck with training and safe travelling
yes this is the way to look at it instead of arguing which is better
@@activex7327 ? You think Laminar is a public traded company?
@@Plupx By investment they mean addons etc
Exactly, while I would love to run both sims the fact is MSFS is just cheaper to get to a high level.
@@blanderrr4892 high level of graphical fidelity. High level of systems, XP is definitely cheaper
appreciate the objective evaluation. looking forward to when you can get your XP sorted and be able to fly longer flights!
i hope the Zibo team reunite by some miracle and complete the free 747. not sure if its because im biased towards the 737 but when i played XP11 Zibos 73-8 and 73-7 is the only one i use and have over a thousand hours on. beating like 6 great payware aircraft
Thanks, this was really interesting. I'm an occasional flyer of the big birds but I love the GA scene in MSFS so I'll probably stick with that. I did fly X-Plane 11 a lot before MSFS came out and with the Orbx TrueEarth packages it was palatable, but not any more.
I am using autooorthos that streams orthophotos. I use it to train my real GA-flights. I don’t miss anything and the flight feeling with XP is simply better. MSFS has too many flaws for me.
@@goldgamer8446OK
Thanks for trying it out. I think X-plane 12 has the basics to become a very nice flying and looking sim. It needs a lot of visual improvements that they're working on. The team is not as big as the Asobo team. I still very much prefer the flight feel in X-plane from the paper plane feel in MSFS 2020. Just my personal private pilot opinion.
I agree, MSFS is lacking inertia. Even the big birds feel like private planes. But honestly, given the sparse time I got for simming, I very much appreciate the great looks MSFS gives me right out of the box. Form what we could see, flight dynamiscs should be improved in MSFS2024 as well…
It looks shocking
it's not only that it has great flight dynamics ... no ... it also has ... E F B
Hey hey hey. Be nice lol
I love how Pmdg lives rent free in everything even in things that aren't MSFS ffs the obsession is in another level
@@perosieshtasiguaal3697 My PC crashed and I'm not willing to spend hours setting everything back up for my flight sims so I've fallen out of sims for now - I think it's funny too that people are so obsessed with the EFB. I guess "Captain" Randazzo has a big history of overpromising and underdelivering so people get wild lol.
@@OmnipotentEnt Calling it an obsession is just unfair to paying customers, who, as you described, are twiddling their thumbs as they are continuously led on. You have to ask yourself, how much $ has PMDG collected since release? Then factor in at least *some* carry over work from previous 737s for other sims, and then realize it's been over a year since initial release. I appreciate they are adding more than just a performance calculator to the EFB (albeit probably not thatttt much more since they said they will be expanding on it in the future), but also look at their competitors and how a basic performance calculator has become standard. Anybody who wants to spend the time spooling up a 737 from cold and dark enjoys simming "realistically" enough that they deserve a basic performance calculator given the wide theatres of operations & various applications of the 737. Again, it's about paying a "lot" of money, and being continuously led on for months. They just need more transparency - the whole "it's almost in beta/it's in testing/needs more testing" is just getting old.
Let’s bear in mind that Zibo is free and Pmdg costs 70$, great video as always!
and in the end PMDG is better
@@user-zc9zt2vl5s i didn't say anything about which one is better, I said one if free and the other one is payware.
Flybywire is free and toliss is 50€
Pmdg is for xplane? no right? then why even mention? why in every video there is always someone talking about Pmdg? they stole your girlfriend?
@@riderofthemark6661 Let's also bear in mind that x-plane is a trashy sim that can barely function properly and the graphics are terrible.
The best thing about the ZIBO is the sounds it’s so good
When you say you're a former 737 pilot, does that mean you retired or are you flying a different plane now?
I'm currently transferring to the A330
They update zibo quite a lot so keep that in mind. I have both Steam and Solo versions of X12. Both work well in the graphics medium settings. But I'm not running your specs. I actually have an I9 with a Radeon rx 580, 32g ram, and I get good frames..as well as MSFS 2020. I wonder if the pc specs have an impact with x12...since you have to lower your settings. And the demo for me was impacting my system until i got the full version. Also running in beta. Just suggestions I have been through. :) Great landing though!
So, you were flying 260+ knots at FL030? Do you have a pen and paper? I have a phone number for you. 😂
😂😂😂
On a quick note though, I'm not sure about the US, but in general within airspace A, B and C there is no speed limit, neither above or below FL100.
Normally operators will impose one, but legally you could go faster as long as you are within those airspace classes.
There might be local regulations in place of course.
@@A330Driver There is a 250kt limit below 10k in the US.
I wish there was a ZIBO-like 737 for Microsoft that didn't cost $80 Canadian. I've flown this aircraft next plane 11 and I absolutely loved it!
the pmdg 737-600 is the closest thing to a 'cheap' alternative to full fledge 80$ cad for the -700/-800
While you won't get a freeware MFSF 737, you will get an FBW A380. It will be the counter to the ZIBO freeware. The PMDG is the ZIBO-like MSFS aircraft.
@@Plupx the PMDG 737 IS the $80cad aircraft. I'll likely break down and buy it... It is an experience I miss of X-Plane 11.
@@VirtualAviationAviator I'm also eagerly awaiting the A-220 (Synaptic). I got to see the original Bombardier C-100 testing at my home airport... Soooo amazing, whisper quiet at 240 kts, 100' above the runway! Beautiful Canadian engineering! I don't even care that Airbus bought the rights and rebranded... It was designed and prototyped in Canada and sold to Airbus only because the Americans (as usual) pitched a fit that the plane was too competitive to Boeing!
@@Jay-Ryan I don't know if you're familiar with Hot Start. Hot Start is the dev who created the Bombardier Challenger 650 for X-Plane. The C650 has been the most immersive aircraft for any simulator for over a year now. Hot Start has announced its next project to be the Airbus A220. They said they plan to code it in such a way that it could be ported to MSFS. The project is probably a couple years away.
that butter though!
Nice one captain and welcome to X-PLANE 12 😊 hope to see you have many great flights😊
Still those horrible jagged shadows in XP11 - I thought they would go away in XP12 but.......
There's a fix for jagged shadows. UA-cam "XP11 jagged lines fix" I think Q8 Pilot did one as well.
You and Flightdeck2sim would definitely help Zibo with this aircraft.
Thanks for the video, great to see you in the man’s simulator, XP! I would really advise you to look into the upcoming release of IXEG 733 release. The XP11 version is a gem to fly, developed by a real pilot. The XP12 version should be spot on regarding hand flying and the overall feel. One other add on that really helps in XP is XPrealistic, it adds a little bit of artificial feel to the flight, especially when set for subtle cockpit vibrations on touchdown, I think it has a free 7 day trial. If you fly more often in XP11 or 12, you should add yourself to the airspace public map, so we can watch you flight in real time, just search XP public airspace map, takes 1 min to setup from XP data menu and also helps you navigate as it shows your aircraft in a moving map which you can watch on a second pic or tablet. Cheers.
@737NG Driver Can you look at the FSS E175 again. Something going on, their documentation is deleted as well is roadmap for the e175
But isn’t the trim in the pmdg even slower? Like, painfully slow. Also, Zibo has a nice touch that the trim wheel keeps going by inertia. It would be nice if you also compared taxiing, there is a huge difference and XP just feels way better (pmdg should really fix this, like come on). I’ve only recently purchased the pmdg and also find it quite nice, so to each their own. I’ll personally fly the Zibo more as it just feels more fun personally (once you get things up and running properly, which can be a pain). Looking forward to your next review video, cheers!
yeah the pmdg is known for it's slow trim
Toliss A340-600is amazing for big airbus
The engine sounds on the zibo sound much closer to what I hear from other real cockpit 737 videos. I have no idea if that is better or not since I have never flown in a 737 flight deck but the pmdg engine sounds are much louder below around 80% n1. I wonder which is more accurate?
I don't know how it is in MSFS, but in XP you can freely set the volume of various elements of the simulation: aircraft exterior, aircraft interior, radios, environmental, copilot, etc, etc ...
From what I remember, it can also be adjusted directly from the ZIBO level.
Why do people always compare the zibo and the PMDG? It’s not like you have a choice anyway. If you fly with XP there is no PMDG and if you fly on msfs there is no zibo.
I find it only natural that good freeware is compared with the best payware if they both model the same airplane. Of course you have a choice, many use both sims.
great video Emi! Would you be willing to work with Zibo to improve the project and make the airplane even more realistic (especially the trim)? We would be forever greatful sir!!
Thank you so much! I'd love to - but just don't have the time. I'm already testing for PMDG, helping three other devs on smaller projects, running the channel and of course have a full time job. There's just no capacity left to take on another project.
Nice vid. I believe the Zibo conversion to XP12 is not quite finished yet and Zibo is aware of many issues. FD2S has been providing a lot of feedback to Mr. Zibo
I have did some test back in XP11 version, both Zibo and LvUp could no hold the parameters as shown in Unreliable Airspeed table, while PMDG NGXu in P3Dv4 almost spot on, but weirdly you can't set unreliable airspeed failure in NGXu.
I wish this would come to FS2020. It’s better than the PMDG and it’s dramatic wing flex and no EFB. I flew the Zibo 737 all the time on XP11
hahahah not even close. PMDG 737 on MSFS is way better
@@user-zc9zt2vl5s it’s not, and it’s overpriced for what it is. I’d give PMDG $35 for their plane, not $70.
@@user-zc9zt2vl5s What exactly?
Yeah I got to agree with user-ac. Pmdg is far better and more immersive in systems and overall plane
I was wondering if you could do a cadet assessment preparation video on 737, with some exercises and tasks that one might expect :)
Hi, I did a video on the topic already, though not particularly for cadets, but the exercises are quite similar.
@@A330Driver I will check on that. Thanks Emi
Just Flight said their port overs to XP 12 have sold horribly and they lost money on it (check Avsim "Just Flight Fokker F-28 release date Wed 12th July" thread, page 16). Just Flight will focus on MSFS going forward. Looks like XP 12 is struggling.
The customer base in MSFS is just so mich bigger, from a business point of view MSFS certainly seems the way to go.
@@A330Driver Yup, I agree. Just Flight are just looking out for themselves. They need to make a profit, they can't afford to lose money on their projects. It may be possible that other 3rd party developers for XP 12 will start to report what Just Flight is reporting over the next year. I guess we will see.
@@activex7327 Yup, I agree. Just Flight saying their add-ons sold poorly in XP 12 reminds me of Aerosoft saying the same thing about P3D back in 2020/2021. None of the P3D holdouts believed Aerosoft. But then other 3rd party developers for P3D confirmed what Aerosoft was experiencing - Milviz, Aeroplane Heaven, PMDG, etc, and eventually even FSLabs. Is what Just Flight saying about XP 12, similar to what Aerosoft said about P3D? I guess time will tell.
You wonder why so many are using a sim made and advertised by the biggest software-company in the world? Do you think this is automatically a sign of quality?
@@goldgamer8446 I would say so, if the overwhelmingly majority move off from P3D/XP to MSFS I would say quality would be a big factor in that decision process for a customer to move to different sims, and just from my personally experience with P3D and XP, the MSFS quality is much better, especially over P3D.
Have you turnd off HAGS?
can you try out the default a330-300 in x-plane 12
This comparison is just as much about the dev as it is the base sim. Last I heard PMDG don't use the default 2020 flight model. I don't think Zibo does either, but it's tough to tell because it's a compiled addon, not a readable set of script files. Please do elaborate on the flap pitching moments!
do a video on the Dune Ornithopter please
Might want to try Zibo on X-Plane 11 as well and compare.
free so good point
U guys need to stop bashing the sim if u never played it if u guys are too broke to buy it just say that MSFS and Xplane are good in their own ways stop comparing a billion dollar company to laminar research
Hello! Thank you for the video! Quick question, How could I autotune again VORs when my SID VORs frequencies are no longer required? Thank you!!
For me, XP12 still look amazing .. the feeling you have while using the Zibo or the TOLISS it is not reachable in MSF .
There was it again: I am Emanuel, I am a (former) 737 pilot 😁
Thanks for the Video 👍
The Zibo Mod is great and the fidelity of X Plane is still the best on the market
Good for you, flying the other sim. Both sims have strong and weak points. Overall, I still have trouble landing the PMDG, which to me bears little resemblance to the real airplane near the ground. However! I think it's great to have aviation professionals grading the 2 sims against the real airplane and against each other. I love that in fact. Because as pilots and enthusiasts, we just want the most accurate sim. Where there is real testing and comparison by the numbers, there is benefit for the end users. That's what the community wants. (Not freaky visual "rescue missions" and ultra detailed rocks.)
Speak for yourself. Some of the community do like rescue missions and realistic rocks. After all rescue missions are part of aviation as well, not just staring at a magenta line after you've loaded a bunch of waypoints into your FMS. And of course realistic flight dynamics etc are really important too. I woudn't exclude anything over something else, it's about the complete experience to me. But then I don't spend most of my time at or above FL300 (though I do like flying airliners accasionally as well).
@@payt01 thanks I will speak for myself. Perhaps some would be more entertained with the racing cars.
@@paulwilson8367 Perhaps indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if this eventually turns into a transport sim of sorts. What's to stop Microsoft from improving their sim to such an extent that you actually drive along all the roads in a car. You can alrady do that to some extent, albeit not very realistic.
I've been trying to do a simple flight b/w KDFW and KCOS last week and the plane goes haywire when it catches the localizer. Tried the day after and got the exact same behaviour. So not a success for now :/
Just to rule out the most common error: You are aware that you have to set your LOC course to the final course (or a couple of deg within), right? Otherwise the plane will indeed go 'haywire' and will even try to intercept the back course. Also you need to intercept LOC before GS. The 73 normally doesn't allow for GS before LOC, and it doesn't like GS intercept from above...
Make sure you are using the latest version, which is getting harder to find than meeting the president
It's not hard at all if you know where to look :) Here is the link where the updates are posted
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RHz4PQqWNGGpVG9GaHr84kuGs8LM2xyK?usp=drive_link
Lol 😂
@@smash_1389 now try and download the latest version and see what it says.. under the XP12 folder.
Mine says can't download. Also there was a version 5.5, now I only see V4??
@@delg551 Sorry, didn't know that, I've switched from XP11 to MSFS so I'm not really up to date.. I tought that you don't know where to find the updates.. But download works for me for V4.
way ahead of the pmdg wow! zibo is great. manual flying is way better.
What version of the Zibo is this mine falls out of the sky you have to pitch up to 5-10 degrees on final
Latest is B738X XP12 4.00 rc2.9. You may be flaring to high. Watch the replay mode and study your landing.
I think the Zibo is way better in XP11.
Currently, yes. Progress takes time with rewriting code to be usable in the XP12 environment.
Absolutely agree. Slightly disappointed with the xp12 version.
I suspect quite a few of these flightmodel issues are caused by the introduction of the updated aerodynamics in X-Plane 12, as they were (AFAIK) perfected in X-Plane 11 with the help of flightdeck2sim among others. As for the pitching down moment on flare, that's unfortunately a limitation of X-Plane's weird ground effect
Yeah, the 11 version requires the updated fm to be off
I downloaded the Xplane 12 Demo and I remember why I leave Xplane in disgust every time. Not for me and I've been trying since version 8. 😆
Good luck with your training! That woudl be interesting watching a PMDG and ZIBO comparison from your perspective.
Nice review! Are you still consulting for PMDG? I'm thinking that might be why you couldn't say which you preferred? I just wish the graphics engine of MSFS and the physics engine of XP could have a baby.
I'm still helping PMDG, yes. But no, the reason why I didn't want to say which one I liked better is for the reason that I simply don't have enough experience with the zibo to make an informed decision.
I found you APric😮
Landed with rto
He should have gone-around 😂
How did you get Zibo to stop crashing?
It shouldn’t crash usually; i never had any problem with it.
@@goldgamer8446 it seems to be some update. I tried the base version without any of the updates and it loads fine. After I paste an update folder in it, it stops loading.
@@Persojet I have the latest update. You have to carefully read the installation notices, especially when updating major iterations, otherwise it can break some stuff.
PMDG can be so good that they simulate the hydraulic fluid as they say ("flowing inside the tubes of the 3d model lol"), but the combination X-plane + Zibo is much more immersive.
Haha what a joke
I can not agree. At all.
We need a 738 like the zibo one...
No wayy. I’m a Qantas 737 pilot and have experienced both. Pmdg and msfs along with gsx pacx fsrealistic knocks xplane and zibo out of the ball park in terms of immersion….
Joke of the year! 👏 👏 👏
The zibo does not have RTA
Beetween RTA that 0.1% of users will use and having an EFB, the choice is quite easy. ZIBO for the win.
@goldgamer8446 I have other tools that take the place of the EFB on PMDG planes. And the Xplane pilots in my VA actually have to do more work because they don't have RTA functions on zibo or toliss when we implement time based restrictions into airports during group flights.
@@thegroundedpilot536 Again: people are tired of the PMDG not having an EFB state of the art. Almost nobody uses or wants RTA-functionalities. Start a survey if you want and see the results. I bet 100$ that most of users would want an EFB rather than RTA, if the survey is balanced and not biased by asking only within a particular group.
@@thegroundedpilot536 If you use Simbrief properly by entering the accurate flight time, leaving the CI to auto will give you the proper CI to arrive on time. I consistently arrive within 3 minutes of the real world flight on FlightAware in XP11/12. And I can also enter winds aloft data for EVERY waypoint. PMDG will not allow entry of enroute winds for each fix.
@goldgamer8446 what is an efb good for when compared to what you could have on your own tablet? Why not use a tool that is just as good or even more in depth like airplane toolbox, and have a ui friendly charts from navigraph or foreflight. I can get good enough landing and takeoff data with a variety of aircraft already with varying conditions and ahortened runways.
The scenery looks really good.
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Lol
Wish they made x-plane on Xbox 😅
Laminar has always stated they have been working on creating a realistic SIMULATOR, not a game you can fly with a console controller. XP11 was certified with certain hardware to be loggable flight hours with FAA, but it would be impossible regardless since Microsoft owns Xbox and conflict of interest ($$$).
@@Sim737Pilot i know it’s not possible with MS owning Xbox. I don’t use a controller though - mouse, keyboard, and yoke
pmdg 1000 times better than zibo
What I like the most on the PMDG is the missing EFB 🤣🤣🤣
@@angelicguru4066 its coming
@@genccadamm So it will be 1000x better in the future? Because of the EFB? Or because of what exactly?
@@angelicguru4066efb is coming soon. If your unhappy of people saying g facts actually go back to msfs because facts are facts. Now I wouldn’t say pmdg isn’t 1000 times better But it is definetly more immersive
@@majoraviatior1611 I have MSFS as well but stopped using it. But when i used it, the PMDG 737 was the best airliner available in my opinion. But I didn’t notice any better immersion with it than with Zibo, they are quite equal. Or perhaps you can explain what is more immersive. The missing EFB hurts.
I must say, I am very disappointed to see you waste your money on x-plane. That sim is dead and forgotten, and it is an ugly rip-off. Just forget about it.
Hey kiddie, haven't you had a hug from your mom today?
@dfg-rg3pd LOL. That's not gonna happen. XP is the second most used sim according to the last navigraph-study. Try better.
wow you must really hate fun?
@@goldgamer8446 No response, how typical, clown 🤡
@@angelicguru4066 Yeah, SECOND most used. They’re no longer number one, go cry about it 🤡🤡