4:08 I wonder if Elphaba ws aware of that. Her father was governor of munckinland even though neither he nor her mother were munchkins (as far as well could see). The munchkins themselves don't seem to have much rights but Elphaba only views them as 'smallminded'. Ok, I understand that it's unlikely she'd think about their conditions and rights if all they did was mock her (it's implied) for her green skin (which is where the musical really doesn't match the 1939 movie - because in the 1939 movie her Winkie guards all have green skin as well, we just don't notice it because we're too busy thinking about their iconic chant, the lion's tail sticking out of the uniforms and because Margaret Hamilton steals all of her scenes even when she's not the only one with green skin in the scene) and she has enough problems of her own, but sometimes I wonder if she wasn't selective on her focus over the injustice that was happening in Oz (the Oz of 'Wicked' that is). but then I wonder it's not so much her being perhaps slightly hypocritical or if it's just me being picky and demanding perfection from lead characters which is unrealistic and that I'm just forgetting that plenty of people focus on some issues more than others and that you can't blame someone for being aware of things about those who teased her.
Some context from the novel: The term Munchkin only refers to the commoners of Munchkinland but all of the influential families including the Thropps are still of Munchkin descent they just "married into some height". So Nessarose stripping Munchkins of their rights is not really discrimination and more akin to a dictatorship. Also i wouldn't say that Elphaba did not care for the Munchkins i think for the most part she was just oblivious towards their struggles
I always wished this song was on the original broadway album. But Is it on the movie soundtrack? Also doesn’t she sing a line like “I’m the wicked witch of the East”. It’s such an important part/ character!!
I wonder why she calls herself a witch (and also why the east)? Sorry if it should be obvious but she used the book and did magic one time, how is it enough to make her a witch?
@@mysterysunfurled in this clip, you hear Boq say shes "just as wicked as you" to Elphaba about Nessa because she's the new governor of munchkinland and is taking away all of their rights and they can't leave, essentially she has become a dictator of munchkinland. and since her sister is the wicked witch of the west, she earns the title of wicked witch of the east because of her actions and because munchkinland is in the east, i hope this helps (:
which is better when Nessa looks at herself in her hand mirror? Desperately because her beauty was the only thing granting her pity or attention from anyone (and because he told her she was beautiful) or crying because she's not the schoolgirl he took to the dance anymore? Should it be longer than a few seconds - something like fifteen seconds instead of 7?
Humans and Ozians have different bloodlines, and it's implied in the book that the Wizard (a human) might be her bio dad. Elphie's unique bloodline may or may not have a hand in deciphering the language of the book (possible English-adjacent language mixed in). If it were the mother, which the girls share, Nessa would likely share the ability, but this is not so.
@@sweaterweatherladyIt’s also implied in the book that Turtle Heart was Nessa’s dad and he could do interesting magic things with his glass blowing. So maybe it comes from different sources.
How was Nessa supposed to read it - I know she read it badly but if she never studied sorcery or how to decipher the writing how could she read enough to get a rough guess of what it said? And would it work if she has never shown any sign of powers of her own? Questions I'm hoping he movie will answer - haven't been able to see it yet but have heard the soundtrack, hoping they'll address it like they've addressed this history of the Grimerie (with help from Idina and Kristen!)
Its a bit of a holdover from the source material: in the book, she along with Glinda and Elphaba are groomed to become sorceresses by Morrible and possesses powerful magic of her own. The musical cuts this, leaving a bit of a plot hole as to how much magic she can use, with this being her only instance of wielding magic. Interestingly, in the books, it is only their Brother (Again not seen in the musical) who is without magical powers. Nessa has an awful lot of raw magic, but she is also intensely religious and thinks magic is evil, so she disguises (or perhaps, deludes herself) her magic being "Miracles of God", although that doesn't stop her selling her spells to the highest bidder to prop up her regime. Its a bit of a shame the third magicless sibling ("Shell") isn't in the musical. In the books, said brother ends up joining the Wizard's military and serving in the Emerald City's secret police as a spy and special agent. He doesn't do much in the story itself, other than go into hiding when Elphaba begins her campaign of terrorism (it is unambiguously a campaign of asymmetric warfare - she is much more morally grey in the book), and Nessa has Munchkinland declares its independence from the rest of Oz. Nessa doesn't openly support her sister because she is trying to stave off war with the rest of Oz.) He remains there when Nessa is killed and doesn't return to Munchkinland, (Instead, there is a powerstruggle that ends with the with the ascension of a certain Witch fans of the Wizard of Oz books would recognise as Mombay to her seat. Shell, for his part briefly helps Elphaba's son locate his half-sister (She is Fiyero's only surviving daughter after the rest of his family are executed: Fiyero's teenaged son and heir is burnt alive in a public execution whilst his nine year old daughter is kept chained to Wizard's throne during the events of Wicked as a human shield to stop Elphaba straight up nuking the Emerald City: She goes missing after the fall of both Elphaba and the Wizard, and Elphaba's son spends a book trying to find her). After this, Shell takes control of the Emerald City in the wake of Dorothy Gale and Toto departing Oz and the Wizard being removed from power (as seen in Wizard of Oz); and ignites the Oznian Civil War between the two regions, with both sides trying to use the Grimmarie as a Nuclear Weapon to win the War.
@@benlowe1701 so now we have the movie of the musical - two movies actually. Think at some point we'll get a miniseries of the book series? Sounds too complicated to be able to fit in a book.
@@agenttheater5 Unlikley - I think, like Fox's Lucifer series, the reimagining has proven to be so much more popular than the original that it has eclipsed the source material as the defacto version. Which isn't terrible: its a great musical. But I wouldn't have minded seeing a proper adaption of the Wicked Years.
What I'm looking forward to in the movie 'Wicked Part 2' (or whatever it is they'll call us - adding to debate of what makes someone evil or good, we have to admit that there's kindness to the cast and crew with the decision to split it into two roles so that they can flesh out the story without putting the cast and crew under too much pressure of limited time to show their skills, but there's is also a cruelty to it, making fans wait 20 years for a movie only to them make us wait one more year) - seeing Nessa stare back at 'the girl in the mirror'. I wonder if it'll be the girl in the mirror is the Wicked Witch of the East because the mirror is somehow distorted or twisted while she is Nessa as she is right now, or if it'll be that she is the Wicked Witch of the East and the girl in the mirror is the young student she used to be.
“Well it seems the beautiful get more beautiful, while the green just get greener 🙄” 😂 the way Julia said it as well lmao
Such great acting of the ungrateful and pitiful wicked witch of the east.
a true witch
She’s totally a miscast. Watch other videos, the other Nessaroses nailed it
@@ciandrylwhat makes you say? Just curious
The scene is going to be sooooooo good in the movie
Agreed
Literally can’t wait
It’ll be amazing to hear Nessa’s actress sing the wicked witch of the east 💚🩷💖
I expect it will be changed a bit since Marissa Bode (Nessarose) uses a wheelchair in real life too so they probbaly won't make her walk
@@vegetables1593cgi or stuntwoman
God Julia's line readings are just so solid
the (chanting)Ambulahn Dare Pahto Pahpoot Ambulahn Dasca Caldapess Lahfenahto Lahfenahtum Pede Pede Caldapess... is so good!!!!
my favorite scene from the show
3:39 I enjoy Julia Murney's delivery of that line lol
That house cannot come fast enough
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Lmao
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@@clivechiam lame
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4:08 I wonder if Elphaba ws aware of that. Her father was governor of munckinland even though neither he nor her mother were munchkins (as far as well could see). The munchkins themselves don't seem to have much rights but Elphaba only views them as 'smallminded'.
Ok, I understand that it's unlikely she'd think about their conditions and rights if all they did was mock her (it's implied) for her green skin (which is where the musical really doesn't match the 1939 movie - because in the 1939 movie her Winkie guards all have green skin as well, we just don't notice it because we're too busy thinking about their iconic chant, the lion's tail sticking out of the uniforms and because Margaret Hamilton steals all of her scenes even when she's not the only one with green skin in the scene) and she has enough problems of her own, but sometimes I wonder if she wasn't selective on her focus over the injustice that was happening in Oz (the Oz of 'Wicked' that is).
but then I wonder it's not so much her being perhaps slightly hypocritical or if it's just me being picky and demanding perfection from lead characters which is unrealistic and that I'm just forgetting that plenty of people focus on some issues more than others and that you can't blame someone for being aware of things about those who teased her.
Some context from the novel:
The term Munchkin only refers to the commoners of Munchkinland but all of the influential families including the Thropps are still of Munchkin descent they just "married into some height".
So Nessarose stripping Munchkins of their rights is not really discrimination and more akin to a dictatorship.
Also i wouldn't say that Elphaba did not care for the Munchkins i think for the most part she was just oblivious towards their struggles
"Did you think I'd let you leave me here FLAT?!"...😬
I always wished this song was on the original broadway album. But Is it on the movie soundtrack? Also doesn’t she sing a line like “I’m the wicked witch of the East”. It’s such an important part/ character!!
This is act 2 material, as it is far along in the show.
The movie finishes where intermission is in the stage show. We'll have to wait a year for part two to see this scene.
I wonder why she calls herself a witch (and also why the east)? Sorry if it should be obvious but she used the book and did magic one time, how is it enough to make her a witch?
@@mysterysunfurled in this clip, you hear Boq say shes "just as wicked as you" to Elphaba about Nessa because she's the new governor of munchkinland and is taking away all of their rights and they can't leave, essentially she has become a dictator of munchkinland. and since her sister is the wicked witch of the west, she earns the title of wicked witch of the east because of her actions and because munchkinland is in the east, i hope this helps (:
@@ciennadeboseit does! Thanks a lot for answering :D
which is better when Nessa looks at herself in her hand mirror?
Desperately because her beauty was the only thing granting her pity or attention from anyone (and because he told her she was beautiful) or crying because she's not the schoolgirl he took to the dance anymore?
Should it be longer than a few seconds - something like fifteen seconds instead of 7?
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I'm always thinking why Nessa can read the Grimmerie if Elphaba is the only one that can read it. Maybe it's hereditary from their mother?
Humans and Ozians have different bloodlines, and it's implied in the book that the Wizard (a human) might be her bio dad. Elphie's unique bloodline may or may not have a hand in deciphering the language of the book (possible English-adjacent language mixed in). If it were the mother, which the girls share, Nessa would likely share the ability, but this is not so.
@@sweaterweatherladyIt’s also implied in the book that Turtle Heart was Nessa’s dad and he could do interesting magic things with his glass blowing. So maybe it comes from different sources.
No she cant read it. Thats why the spell is all jumbled up and she casted it wrongly
I personally think Marissa will kill this scene in the movie! 😊
She better. It’s my favorite song and so far she has to showcase that she can do it.
This scene is so disturbing and scary on the real😂
How was Nessa supposed to read it - I know she read it badly but if she never studied sorcery or how to decipher the writing how could she read enough to get a rough guess of what it said? And would it work if she has never shown any sign of powers of her own?
Questions I'm hoping he movie will answer - haven't been able to see it yet but have heard the soundtrack, hoping they'll address it like they've addressed this history of the Grimerie (with help from Idina and Kristen!)
Kind of, in the movie they changed it to where nessa is enrolled too
Its a bit of a holdover from the source material: in the book, she along with Glinda and Elphaba are groomed to become sorceresses by Morrible and possesses powerful magic of her own.
The musical cuts this, leaving a bit of a plot hole as to how much magic she can use, with this being her only instance of wielding magic.
Interestingly, in the books, it is only their Brother (Again not seen in the musical) who is without magical powers. Nessa has an awful lot of raw magic, but she is also intensely religious and thinks magic is evil, so she disguises (or perhaps, deludes herself) her magic being "Miracles of God", although that doesn't stop her selling her spells to the highest bidder to prop up her regime.
Its a bit of a shame the third magicless sibling ("Shell") isn't in the musical. In the books, said brother ends up joining the Wizard's military and serving in the Emerald City's secret police as a spy and special agent. He doesn't do much in the story itself, other than go into hiding when Elphaba begins her campaign of terrorism (it is unambiguously a campaign of asymmetric warfare - she is much more morally grey in the book), and Nessa has Munchkinland declares its independence from the rest of Oz. Nessa doesn't openly support her sister because she is trying to stave off war with the rest of Oz.) He remains there when Nessa is killed and doesn't return to Munchkinland, (Instead, there is a powerstruggle that ends with the with the ascension of a certain Witch fans of the Wizard of Oz books would recognise as Mombay to her seat. Shell, for his part briefly helps Elphaba's son locate his half-sister (She is Fiyero's only surviving daughter after the rest of his family are executed: Fiyero's teenaged son and heir is burnt alive in a public execution whilst his nine year old daughter is kept chained to Wizard's throne during the events of Wicked as a human shield to stop Elphaba straight up nuking the Emerald City: She goes missing after the fall of both Elphaba and the Wizard, and Elphaba's son spends a book trying to find her). After this, Shell takes control of the Emerald City in the wake of Dorothy Gale and Toto departing Oz and the Wizard being removed from power (as seen in Wizard of Oz); and ignites the Oznian Civil War between the two regions, with both sides trying to use the Grimmarie as a Nuclear Weapon to win the War.
@@benlowe1701 so now we have the movie of the musical - two movies actually. Think at some point we'll get a miniseries of the book series? Sounds too complicated to be able to fit in a book.
@@agenttheater5 Unlikley - I think, like Fox's Lucifer series, the reimagining has proven to be so much more popular than the original that it has eclipsed the source material as the defacto version. Which isn't terrible: its a great musical. But I wouldn't have minded seeing a proper adaption of the Wicked Years.
She is a witch herself -the wicked witch of the east ,so she knows magic
Why was this not on the soundtrack?
They felt it gave too many spoilers but I agree it’s actually the best number/ sequence on there
Because this is a sort of twist.
Yea I was thinking this really should be on the soundtrack. Wish it was. It’s such a major moment and character!
too much needs explaining as the song goes on, it makes no sense if you're not watching it.
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Why did they focus on Bog's ass as he is dying
Nessa you never asked her to use make upon you until now
I think that too. She drank the green potion before she had Elphaba and Nessa.
God Nessa is top 10 worst sisters ever
The actress for Nessarose here is a miscast
What I'm looking forward to in the movie 'Wicked Part 2' (or whatever it is they'll call us - adding to debate of what makes someone evil or good, we have to admit that there's kindness to the cast and crew with the decision to split it into two roles so that they can flesh out the story without putting the cast and crew under too much pressure of limited time to show their skills, but there's is also a cruelty to it, making fans wait 20 years for a movie only to them make us wait one more year) -
seeing Nessa stare back at 'the girl in the mirror'.
I wonder if it'll be the girl in the mirror is the Wicked Witch of the East because the mirror is somehow distorted or twisted while she is Nessa as she is right now, or if it'll be that she is the Wicked Witch of the East and the girl in the mirror is the young student she used to be.