this really helps me because now i get why i had such a hard time being a confident dj on a controller i knew something didnt feel right. I was confused as to why i purely relied on crowd feedback but now im realizing that my art form didnt begin authentically. Thank you for posting. ive downloaded your videos and plan on buying turntables and teaching myself
The acoustic guitar had its era. The electric guitar had its era. The synth. The drum machine. The Turntable. As an art form (blues, jazz, country/folk, rock, r&b, hip-hop) matures, it does get replaced, to a degree. But the art form's strength will predict its longevity. The above mentioned forms have, and will, endure. In people like those who watched this video. Cheers, Rob and Mr. S. Do your thing.
2, 584 views, sir, on July 22, 2018. Every one deserved. If I keep watching you, I just might eventually get busy a little bit. I'm studying, teach. Thank you.
It’s turning into.. “it uses us, not us using it”... I’m glad to be inspired by pure genuine pioneers of this shit and learning the art the correct way.
Man.... This is some deep but true shit! I started in 02, 16years later, still goin strong, shoutouts to the OG Djs, who paved the way, period! Without u guys, none of us would be here...... Its a fact........ Technology has changed us as a whole but never forget where ya came from! Rob, Swift, salute, @Mista Synista! SALUTE!
The people who gave thumbs down or dont like what you guys are saying probably dont know what belt drive turntables are. To not soak in what Rob is talking about fundamentally, you will not just fail at "playing music" you will fail at other obstacles in life..
When i was 17 I had a limited selection of records and limited amounts of money. I think because of that we focused on the improving the sounds and movements repetitively, with technology theirs unlimited amounts of music, effects, genres, controllers and whatnot that people cant focus on scratching like previous generations. All we had were worn mixers, turntables and few records. I used to love when I or friends bought new equipment or records was like wow a new cut or fresh fader/mixer to fuk up fun times..much love u guys keep it up!!
This is WHAT I SEEN years ago which made Me quit DJ'n and go to producing around the time CD turntables came in! I had quit for like 17 yrs (doin' TARE/TEAR scratches back in '83-84 on an Emerson record player)..just got back in like 2-3 yrs ago...still don't own a SERATO (though I know I need one for access to more music I cannot find on vinyl right now)! Y'all are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND EXACT though!
When technology can emulate something that is both an art and a science, I fear that the artform is in danger. Someone with no experience, who can execute a complexity such as a juggle with the push of a button, in my opinion, can never have the same appreciation as someone who actually mastered a skill through hours upon hours of practice and trial and error. My first turntables were straight arm, belt drive Realistics with a Radio Shack mixer. I think the tracking force was .5 grams. I had to learn my limitations through practice. I would record on a cassette and I had skips sometimes but it was a teaching point for me. I'm afraid technology is taking away the random variables and the need to understand both the science and the art. Much respect Rob Swift to you and Sinista.
love the video rob and your awsome mista sinster ,i'm an old age 5o ish turntablist from canada i have been watching you sence 96 in my mo state days ,i still have same ideals as you both met roc in ottawa canada very nice person much love .i don't make videos to much because i try not use buttons on my traktor pro i still play by ear and mix as if don't have buttons it takes years to get it .peace from djfreecan from canada.self taught ,as raida he told me prac for hours of sticker and clock timming .
Love this video I like y’alls input on this issue. I’m a lil amaze that your student sent you that knowing that’s not what DJing is about unless he was showing what the mixer can do. Practicing and making mistakes is the beauty of DJing. that chase pattern I’m 40% there I’ll keep practicing until I get it never let technology do it for me. Thanks to you and Sinista for hammer it home to us followers.
Rob, Respect To You, Sinister, Raida RIP, And The x-ecutioners for Reppin' On Equipment Way Before DJ Gear Became All Fancy And Shit. Props To You And The Pioneers Of The Wheels Of Steel.
I LOVE the words of wisdom you(Rob Swift) and Mistsa Sinister are speaking. I, too, was started on turntables Technics(1800's). Cutting and Scratching, before being mentored on blending music. I always will stick to the turntables. As you and Sinister said the foundation is the key.
You see, long before talking about scratching, long before the sync button drama, you could even see a difference with people used to mixing with CDJ-2000s vs the Techs. Tracks go offbeat? Just nudge the side of the jogwheel a little and you‘re good. No pitching, no drama. Activate „Master Tempo“ and nobody would even hear a difference. And there I am, having used vinyl only because I couldn‘t afford CD players, and all of a sudden people saw me as a DJ god for never going off-beat the first time I had to use the CDJs...plus there‘s cues and there‘s looping...This is kind of the same as you‘re talking about, Rob: technology hurting you more than it helps you. It‘s sort of a DJing muscle left untrained...
Technology can help to get more people interested in the art though. I started off making mix tapes with a laptop and virtual DJ, at that time I was only interested in making the mixes to listen in my car. I then moved on to a Pioneer DDJ-SX2. Now rocking on two stanton turntables and shopping for a good mixer. Continue to evolve and grow the art.
EXPERIENCE knowing that if you spin the record back on the SKIP part that You may just "clean and repair" that part of the vinyl! I used to sit there all day spinning records backwards by hand to clean all the grit and grind in between the grooves once alcohol'n them down! Hahaha...they DO NOT KNOW 'bout that!!!
Controllers? I mean where are you even meant to blu-tac the coin on them??? Times change man, but I agree with what you're saying 100% In fact watching your videos these past few months have inspired me to get my 15 year old vestax turntables sent off for a service and buying vinyl again. I never entered the digital DJ world.
Wow good stuff....i use to hate when my needle skip now i got an Ns7 1 ....but the needle skips kept my hands more in control...i can feel and hear the difference
I would agree technology is not a bad thing per se but for those upcoming new DJs I think understanding and learning the fundamentals of Djing or turntableism which begins with Two turntables and a basic mixer.which in turns build hand speed,accuracy , revolution movement intelligence and a feel or sense of hand and finger pressure as your coax notes out of the equipment. If all you’re doing is pushing sync on your controllers and pressing cue buttons you ain’t doing nothing but lip-synching. So in order not to get caught with your pants down so to speak learn the fundamentals learn revolution timing or clock theory as grandmaster flash calls it. Learn how to use the cross faders, the up/down faders etc.
Respect brothers! I overstand everything you are putting down god. Technology is definitely going to far because a dj doesn't develop the feel or intuition of being a dj... shorts are more relative these days. Much respect from the StL! Djing since 78 Da Original Mixing Mr J
When you said “we admit, we are old and out thoughts may be dated”.. that can be true but the roots are the roots. If you want to play thrash metal or any other sub genre of rock music.. you need to start with the blues. A bit of a reach but you know what I’m sayin. I was actually gonna hit you up and ask if you have (or have thought of developing) a syllabus on your teaching for us self starters. People love these videos, I know I do. 👊🏽
There are many good reasons to start and stay with a controller, just as there are many reasons to work your way to turntables. Here are my humble thoughts. If you never plan on having to work with "traditional" equipment all you want to do is make a good transition from one song to the next (most mobile DJs), then work on mastering that controller. You will get to "rock the party stage" and not much further. That alone is not an easy task if this is where you are starting and many mistakes will be made. Now, if you want to be able to do anything close to what the guys talked about in this video can do, then I believe you have to work your way to it with similar gear. There is no getting around that. It may take longer to get to "rock the party stage", but you'll get there and so much further. I guess it comes down to, "Do you want to be a performer or an artist that can perform"?
Before I was able to purchase 1200's as a teenager. I went to pawn shops to find ANY turntable with a pitch just so I could mix, using wax paper as slipmats. Then one day I spent all my savings on 2 Gemini turntables.....they were almost there. Modified them and got them as close as I could to 1200's still not knowing how 12's felt......Than I finally manage to score a pair of used 1200's from a local mobile DJ company......Maaaaaan did I appreciate them. You gotta know the roots. I am a CG artist by trade but I always tell the young cats......learn how to use a pencil before you jump into photoshop.
But seriously tho, I just figured out how to do fills and chases on actual vinyl/1200’s because I don’t have all that yet. I wouldn’t feel right using the cheat code smh
I feel u but with the game changing with the technology, how do you encourage newbies to go back and get on analog turntables when its super expensive these days to do so? Ive been spinning since 89 and had 1200s and a gemini mixer with no efx and when i got into digital doing it was a way different feel but i adapted. the biggest part of the problem is young people don't listen to parties the way we did back in the day. They don't care about the perfect beat match or a beat juggle in the middle of the song. I wish we had more resources available to the new school to help them understand what we went thru and how it helped us.
I seriously hope you do more of these types of videos. Seriously, copyright "DJs In Cars" and call it that. You guys have so much to offer to our community. I know DR. Butcher is here in Dallas but if you could hook up an interview with him or any other legend and do it in the car that would be dope.
I understand the point of the video I feel the exact same way about automatic sports cars vs manual sports cars....drives me bonkers! I learned on turntables and switched to controllers but only cause I got tired of carrying all that stuff around LOL, I aint gettin no younger.
Even for someone like myself who came up on turntables, I feel like that just makes newer djs the older stuff we learned. Unfortunately due to health issues I had to go the controller route and mix just like I did when I learned the artform... I'm starting to really agree with you Rob... The artform is getting lost....
Ask another one .....What was their first mixer.. If they say 57.. please don’t giggle 🤭... I started with a Realistic set up with no pitch belt drive and the mixer with no CF. Oh and Pepsi 24 can case cardboard for slippers.. to
So true when will you be in LA want to learn scratching !! Need a mentor ??? Funny thing I first started w the NS7 then gots Cdjs and Now have Technics i got all of them !! But check this out the controller was easy but got me trained for Vinyl and when i used Cdjs it was so hard .. so i guess maybe im a lefty
wow real talk. listen up kids foreal. this could apply with more than just turntablism. smart phones and all this tech stuff.. go back to the basics and just keep it simple. oh and don't forget most important have fun.. peace, and love.
It's sad... Deejays nowadays, chase technology instead of getting better & really understanding the art form. They get the latest mixer to fit in. But what happens is they only get better at working the mixer... not deejaying... It's like thinking you need every iPhone that come out. Lol!! What happened to the Super Duck Days? No serator, No effects on that vestax mixer... I can go on & on...
Rob Swift Yup... Won't even remember where the beats & claps are in the song... Pressing the cue button to get back to the spot instead of remembering where it's going to be. Smh... Just little things like that. .
???? I love and respect Rob Swift. But, there wouldn't be DJs without advance technology. Before DJs, Music came from bands and Orchestras. When you went to a club, like back in Cab Calloway's day, the Music came from Orchestras! Not a needle... Swift does has a point though. I didn't really get DJing, until I learn the history behind it. But every serious dj at some point will go back and learn fundamentals. No matter what year they've started from, or what setup they started out with...
You open your mind to be a true Dj, so you go in a good way. These days we dont have a serious Djs to go back to learn fundamentals, specialy when this new geration are influenced from videos on youtube with guys like Mixmastermike mixing with a buttons, effects., etc...Some sets from him is like 10% turntablism, 5% back spin. Because he is a oldschool Dj, this become right way for some heads , when isnt. True story . ps: DMC and IDA are worst than before for some reasons...
Yes...the skips is important...we hate them, B.U.T. it is the tribal-ness of this shit!!! The warrior wounds one has to fight and battle through...recover from...grow and develop from!!!
Also... The Rane Twelve is a turntable. 1. It's a table. 2. It has a platter that TURNS. So, it's a turntable. But without the arm. Even if you're using a classic Technics 1200 mk2... Once you place your HAND on the RECORD, it becomes a Controller. Because you're Controlling and Manipulating the sound. Grandmaster Flash taught me that. You could take "real" turntables and a mixer... Once your connect it to your laptop/dj software, its a controller. You're using your "real' DJ setup, to control a dj software or better yet, the waveforms.... I'm not being bias. I don't have the Twelves... lol
The Rane Twelve is a controller. The company itself calls it a controller. Both you and Grandmaster Flash are free to convince yourselves otherwise though. I however never been one to fall for optical illusions.
Love & Respect, Rob Swift! This is good and heathy opinions. I love to know more of what DJs, like yourself, feel about the direction of the culture. It should definitely by more of us at the round table.
DJ Stylez Sorry bruh... It's a turntable. But like I said... Any classic turntable becomes a CONTROLLER once you place your HANDS on the vinyl. I don't see whats the big deal about the needle. Turntables weren't originally designed, for what why use them for today. The arm and needle were only for listening to vinyl records. Today, they are mostly used for signal sending to dj software. We don't needles for that anymore! I don't know a single dj today who enjoys skipping needles. That's why the Shure M44-7 became popular. Because of it's skip resistance. The game isn't gonna go backwards. You shouldn't have to experience a skipping needle, if you don't have to. And don't get me started on how much vinyl and needles will cost you over the years. I know I got off subject... Anyways, we don't call them turntables because of the arm and needle. It's called a turntable because it's a TABLE with a platter that TURNS. Think about it this way... When you use a control vinyl for your DVS setup, is a turntable??? Your music isn't coming from the vinyl. It's coming from the software. Your needle is only being used for sending signal messages to your software. Why do you need a needle for that? So, it's still a turntable, eventhough there's no music coming from the vinyl...
Like I said, if you can't play real vinyl on it, it's just a controller because all it does is control digital files. On a real turntable you can play 78's 33.3's and 45's. When you show me how to do that with a Rane 12 I will concede. Until then peace Brother.
We had to learn the hard way because there wasn’t any other way. Based on your argument, you shouldn’t use a cross fader because up the up and down fader was first, and you shouldn’t use the up and down fader because the knobs were first! lol. Me personally, tech is fine be as long as it doesn’t compromise the integrity of the art form. I remember when we used to say using the switch was cheating lol! We can appreciate the rane 12 because the tone arm is in the way and you didn’t always have good pressings of vinyl and needles wear out your vinyl. You have a choice, be a purist or a hypocrite. lol.
this really helps me because now i get why i had such a hard time being a confident dj on a controller i knew something didnt feel right. I was confused as to why i purely relied on crowd feedback but now im realizing that my art form didnt begin authentically. Thank you for posting. ive downloaded your videos and plan on buying turntables and teaching myself
The acoustic guitar had its era. The electric guitar had its era. The synth. The drum machine. The Turntable.
As an art form (blues, jazz, country/folk, rock, r&b, hip-hop) matures, it does get replaced, to a degree. But the art form's strength will predict its longevity. The above mentioned forms have, and will, endure. In people like those who watched this video. Cheers, Rob and Mr. S. Do your thing.
I appreciate what you wrote here Bob.
2, 584 views, sir, on July 22, 2018. Every one deserved. If I keep watching you, I just might eventually get busy a little bit. I'm studying, teach. Thank you.
It’s turning into.. “it uses us, not us using it”... I’m glad to be inspired by pure genuine pioneers of this shit and learning the art the correct way.
It's so true. At least from my vantage point. Respect bro.
Technology is inevitable. It's up to us to use it wisely - we have to remain in control.
Man.... This is some deep but true shit! I started in 02, 16years later, still goin strong, shoutouts to the OG Djs, who paved the way, period! Without u guys, none of us would be here...... Its a fact........ Technology has changed us as a whole but never forget where ya came from! Rob, Swift, salute, @Mista Synista! SALUTE!
Respect!
The people who gave thumbs down or dont like what you guys are saying probably dont know what belt drive turntables are. To not soak in what Rob is talking about fundamentally, you will not just fail at "playing music" you will fail at other obstacles in life..
I totally agree with skipping. Mistakes are you greatest teacher!
When i was 17 I had a limited selection of records and limited amounts of money. I think because of that we focused on the improving the sounds and movements repetitively, with technology theirs unlimited amounts of music, effects, genres, controllers and whatnot that people cant focus on scratching like previous generations. All we had were worn mixers, turntables and few records. I used to love when I or friends bought new equipment or records was like wow a new cut or fresh fader/mixer to fuk up fun times..much love u guys keep it up!!
This is WHAT I SEEN years ago which made Me quit DJ'n and go to producing around the time CD turntables came in! I had quit for like 17 yrs (doin' TARE/TEAR scratches back in '83-84 on an Emerson record player)..just got back in like 2-3 yrs ago...still don't own a SERATO (though I know I need one for access to more music I cannot find on vinyl right now)! Y'all are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND EXACT though!
Please make this a series.. lol just you and sinister talking about DJing
Lolololol now that was hilarious..... skills vs. technology! SKILLZ WIN UNANIMOUSLY👍🏾💪🏾
Love Da Odd Couple theme in the beginning...... bringing back the days. Salute to Sinista and Rob Swift!
When technology can emulate something that is both an art and a science, I fear that the artform is in danger. Someone with no experience, who can execute a complexity such as a juggle with the push of a button, in my opinion, can never have the same appreciation as someone who actually mastered a skill through hours upon hours of practice and trial and error. My first turntables were straight arm, belt drive Realistics with a Radio Shack mixer. I think the tracking force was .5 grams. I had to learn my limitations through practice. I would record on a cassette and I had skips sometimes but it was a teaching point for me. I'm afraid technology is taking away the random variables and the need to understand both the science and the art. Much respect Rob Swift to you and Sinista.
love the video rob and your awsome mista sinster ,i'm an old age 5o ish turntablist from canada i have been watching you sence 96 in my mo state days ,i still have same ideals as you both met roc in ottawa canada very nice person much love .i don't make videos to much because i try not use buttons on my traktor pro i still play by ear and mix as if don't have buttons it takes years to get it .peace from djfreecan from canada.self taught ,as raida he told me prac for hours of sticker and clock timming .
Technology on the mixers make people lazy.and over night djs.. . Peace to all the original Djs . Peace to the Xmens
Love this video I like y’alls input on this issue. I’m a lil amaze that your student sent you that knowing that’s not what DJing is about unless he was showing what the mixer can do. Practicing and making mistakes is the beauty of DJing. that chase pattern I’m 40% there I’ll keep practicing until I get it never let technology do it for me. Thanks to you and Sinista for hammer it home to us followers.
Rob, Respect To You, Sinister, Raida RIP, And The x-ecutioners for Reppin' On Equipment Way Before DJ Gear Became All Fancy And Shit. Props To You And The Pioneers Of The Wheels Of Steel.
I appreciate the love Bernard!
This started with Stanton's first cd deck/mixer combo. They put a cutoff feature in the crossfader that prevents train wrecks.
SMH
Rob you are exactly right, I started on B.S.R. tables back in 1976. So I know what you are talking about
I LOVE the words of wisdom you(Rob Swift) and Mistsa Sinister are speaking. I, too, was started on turntables Technics(1800's). Cutting and Scratching, before being mentored on blending music. I always will stick to the turntables. As you and Sinister said the foundation is the key.
Respect!
cheat code tho lol Dying of laughter right now lollllll RESPECT to both ya'll!
Respect!
Yo rob I agree with you 💯 percent
so true
You see, long before talking about scratching, long before the sync button drama, you could even see a difference with people used to mixing with CDJ-2000s vs the Techs. Tracks go offbeat? Just nudge the side of the jogwheel a little and you‘re good. No pitching, no drama. Activate „Master Tempo“ and nobody would even hear a difference.
And there I am, having used vinyl only because I couldn‘t afford CD players, and all of a sudden people saw me as a DJ god for never going off-beat the first time I had to use the CDJs...plus there‘s cues and there‘s looping...This is kind of the same as you‘re talking about, Rob: technology hurting you more than it helps you. It‘s sort of a DJing muscle left untrained...
Technology can help to get more people interested in the art though. I started off making mix tapes with a laptop and virtual DJ, at that time I was only interested in making the mixes to listen in my car. I then moved on to a Pioneer DDJ-SX2. Now rocking on two stanton turntables and shopping for a good mixer. Continue to evolve and grow the art.
Technology will be the death of us
Respect
EXPERIENCE knowing that if you spin the record back on the SKIP part that You may just "clean and repair" that part of the vinyl! I used to sit there all day spinning records backwards by hand to clean all the grit and grind in between the grooves once alcohol'n them down! Hahaha...they DO NOT KNOW 'bout that!!!
We need the odd couple beat juggle!!!
LOL
Controllers? I mean where are you even meant to blu-tac the coin on them??? Times change man, but I agree with what you're saying 100% In fact watching your videos these past few months have inspired me to get my 15 year old vestax turntables sent off for a service and buying vinyl again. I never entered the digital DJ world.
Thats great to hear. Where you getting them fixed? I need my ISP07 mixer refurbished!
Wow good stuff....i use to hate when my needle skip now i got an Ns7 1 ....but the needle skips kept my hands more in control...i can feel and hear the difference
I would agree technology is not a bad thing per se but for those upcoming new DJs I think understanding and learning the fundamentals of Djing or turntableism which begins with Two turntables and a basic mixer.which in turns build hand speed,accuracy , revolution movement intelligence and a feel or sense of hand and finger pressure as your coax notes out of the equipment. If all you’re doing is pushing sync on your controllers and pressing cue buttons you ain’t doing nothing but lip-synching. So in order not to get caught with your pants down so to speak learn the fundamentals learn revolution timing or clock theory as grandmaster flash calls it. Learn how to use the cross faders, the up/down faders etc.
I agree Rob 1000%
Soooo true! I share the same thoughts.. Just not nice as the ones that a study and listen to.. #practice
Respect brothers! I overstand everything you are putting down god. Technology is definitely going to far because a dj doesn't develop the feel or intuition of being a dj... shorts are more relative these days.
Much respect from the StL!
Djing since 78
Da Original Mixing Mr J
It all started with the flash transformer
YUP! One of the worst DJ inventions known to man.
Rob Swift my Lafayette T-1000 didn't even have pitch control. Use your index and thumb on spindle to slow it down
When you said “we admit, we are old and out thoughts may be dated”.. that can be true but the roots are the roots. If you want to play thrash metal or any other sub genre of rock music.. you need to start with the blues. A bit of a reach but you know what I’m sayin.
I was actually gonna hit you up and ask if you have (or have thought of developing) a syllabus on your teaching for us self starters.
People love these videos, I know I do. 👊🏽
I actually teach an intro and advanced class in DJing at the New School University. My syllabus requires students to learn on vinyl first!!
Root for the fruit
There are many good reasons to start and stay with a controller, just as there are many reasons to work your way to turntables. Here are my humble thoughts. If you never plan on having to work with "traditional" equipment all you want to do is make a good transition from one song to the next (most mobile DJs), then work on mastering that controller. You will get to "rock the party stage" and not much further. That alone is not an easy task if this is where you are starting and many mistakes will be made. Now, if you want to be able to do anything close to what the guys talked about in this video can do, then I believe you have to work your way to it with similar gear. There is no getting around that. It may take longer to get to "rock the party stage", but you'll get there and so much further. I guess it comes down to, "Do you want to be a performer or an artist that can perform"?
Before I was able to purchase 1200's as a teenager. I went to pawn shops to find ANY turntable with a pitch just so I could mix, using wax paper as slipmats. Then one day I spent all my savings on 2 Gemini turntables.....they were almost there. Modified them and got them as close as I could to 1200's still not knowing how 12's felt......Than I finally manage to score a pair of used 1200's from a local mobile DJ company......Maaaaaan did I appreciate them. You gotta know the roots.
I am a CG artist by trade but I always tell the young cats......learn how to use a pencil before you jump into photoshop.
But seriously tho, I just figured out how to do fills and chases on actual vinyl/1200’s because I don’t have all that yet. I wouldn’t feel right using the cheat code smh
I feel u but with the game changing with the technology, how do you encourage newbies to go back and get on analog turntables when its super expensive these days to do so? Ive been spinning since 89 and had 1200s and a gemini mixer with no efx and when i got into digital doing it was a way different feel but i adapted. the biggest part of the problem is young people don't listen to parties the way we did back in the day. They don't care about the perfect beat match or a beat juggle in the middle of the song. I wish we had more resources available to the new school to help them understand what we went thru and how it helped us.
I think growing, progressing, in a way that's healthy should be encouragement to buy turntables on its own.
Hahaha. This intro is gold. army! 🤙🏽💪🏽
RESPECT!
Everyone wants to take the path of least resistance. That's the problem.
I get your point Louie.
The music tho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Instant gratification
Wow! So technology is trying to out do us?!😳😱 Man I will definitely be sticking to my Rane 62. No need for a beat juggle option. Just wow. Smh
@djrobswift Hey Bro, love the DJs in cars concept. Looking forward to the next episode
Righ on bro :)
I seriously hope you do more of these types of videos. Seriously, copyright "DJs In Cars" and call it that. You guys have so much to offer to our community. I know DR. Butcher is here in Dallas but if you could hook up an interview with him or any other legend and do it in the car that would be dope.
I understand the point of the video I feel the exact same way about automatic sports cars vs manual sports cars....drives me bonkers! I learned on turntables and switched to controllers but only cause I got tired of carrying all that stuff around LOL, I aint gettin no younger.
What you wrote here is valid.
Even for someone like myself who came up on turntables, I feel like that just makes newer djs the older stuff we learned. Unfortunately due to health issues I had to go the controller route and mix just like I did when I learned the artform... I'm starting to really agree with you Rob... The artform is getting lost....
Also the technology makes everyone sound robotic and the same bc it takes a away the personality from the performance.
Truth!
Ask another one .....What was their first mixer.. If they say 57.. please don’t giggle 🤭... I started with a Realistic set up with no pitch belt drive and the mixer with no CF. Oh and Pepsi 24 can case cardboard for slippers.. to
SeasonedTones don’t trip, I started on those same realistic turntables with no pitch and mixer with all up/down and no fader.
Linear techs belt drives and radio shack realistic and plastic from albums as slip mats
So true when will you be in LA want to learn scratching !! Need a mentor ??? Funny thing I first started w the NS7 then gots Cdjs and Now have Technics i got all of them !! But check this out the controller was easy but got me trained for Vinyl and when i used Cdjs it was so hard .. so i guess maybe im a lefty
I don’t even scratch *and* mostly use controllers and this shit still pisses me off.
@10:25 !!!!!!! Ask a controller Novelist DJ what is Que Burning a record.. they don’t know....
Nope, the won't.
wow real talk. listen up kids foreal. this could apply with more than just turntablism. smart phones and all this tech stuff.. go back to the basics and just keep it simple. oh and don't forget most important have fun.. peace, and love.
probably do that on some wack joint that you don't even want to touch. at the club getting a g for the night 3 or 4 hours
I will rather not ever figure it out than to use some form of technology to help me perform a Beat Juggle or any form of Scratch.
I hate button pushers!
Too much technology.
Too much of anything is bad for you.
It's sad... Deejays nowadays, chase technology instead of getting better & really understanding the art form. They get the latest mixer to fit in. But what happens is they only get better at working the mixer... not deejaying... It's like thinking you need every iPhone that come out. Lol!! What happened to the Super Duck Days? No serator, No effects on that vestax mixer... I can go on & on...
"what happens is they only get better at working the mixer... not deejaying..." POIGNANT!
Rob Swift Yup... Won't even remember where the beats & claps are in the song... Pressing the cue button to get back to the spot instead of remembering where it's going to be. Smh... Just little things like that. .
It's always those little things that make the difference between the masters and the typical DJ.
Even before the cuts and technical art you guys throw down there's the Sync button for blends. That really is some lazy sh*t. Peace to the X
???? I love and respect Rob Swift. But, there wouldn't be DJs without advance technology. Before DJs, Music came from bands and Orchestras. When you went to a club, like back in Cab Calloway's day, the Music came from Orchestras! Not a needle... Swift does has a point though. I didn't really get DJing, until I learn the history behind it. But every serious dj at some point will go back and learn fundamentals. No matter what year they've started from, or what setup they started out with...
Of course there wouldn't be DJs without advanced technology. Alls I'm saying is we must be mindful of how we use it, or should I say, how it uses us.
Nothing but love and respect, Rob Swift!
You open your mind to be a true Dj, so you go in a good way. These days we dont have a serious Djs to go back to learn fundamentals, specialy when this new geration are influenced from videos on youtube with guys like Mixmastermike mixing with a buttons, effects., etc...Some sets from him is like 10% turntablism, 5% back spin. Because he is a oldschool Dj, this become right way for some heads , when isnt. True story . ps: DMC and IDA are worst than before for some reasons...
Who has the 4 dislikes??? HAHAHA..."feelings...WOE WOE WOE...FEELINGS!!!"
It's called evolution fellas.
Except it!.
I have accepted it. See 9:53. Peace.
a skipping needle dislike this ;)
LMAO
Yes...the skips is important...we hate them, B.U.T. it is the tribal-ness of this shit!!! The warrior wounds one has to fight and battle through...recover from...grow and develop from!!!
Also... The Rane Twelve is a turntable. 1. It's a table. 2. It has a platter that TURNS. So, it's a turntable. But without the arm. Even if you're using a classic Technics 1200 mk2... Once you place your HAND on the RECORD, it becomes a Controller. Because you're Controlling and Manipulating the sound. Grandmaster Flash taught me that. You could take "real" turntables and a mixer... Once your connect it to your laptop/dj software, its a controller. You're using your "real' DJ setup, to control a dj software or better yet, the waveforms.... I'm not being bias. I don't have the Twelves... lol
The Rane Twelve is a controller. The company itself calls it a controller. Both you and Grandmaster Flash are free to convince yourselves otherwise though. I however never been one to fall for optical illusions.
Love & Respect, Rob Swift! This is good and heathy opinions. I love to know more of what DJs, like yourself, feel about the direction of the culture. It should definitely by more of us at the round table.
Another reason the Rane 12 is a controller and not a turntable is because you can never put real vinyl on it and play it.
DJ Stylez Sorry bruh... It's a turntable. But like I said... Any classic turntable becomes a CONTROLLER once you place your HANDS on the vinyl. I don't see whats the big deal about the needle. Turntables weren't originally designed, for what why use them for today. The arm and needle were only for listening to vinyl records. Today, they are mostly used for signal sending to dj software. We don't needles for that anymore! I don't know a single dj today who enjoys skipping needles. That's why the Shure M44-7 became popular. Because of it's skip resistance. The game isn't gonna go backwards. You shouldn't have to experience a skipping needle, if you don't have to. And don't get me started on how much vinyl and needles will cost you over the years. I know I got off subject... Anyways, we don't call them turntables because of the arm and needle. It's called a turntable because it's a TABLE with a platter that TURNS. Think about it this way... When you use a control vinyl for your DVS setup, is a turntable??? Your music isn't coming from the vinyl. It's coming from the software. Your needle is only being used for sending signal messages to your software. Why do you need a needle for that? So, it's still a turntable, eventhough there's no music coming from the vinyl...
Like I said, if you can't play real vinyl on it, it's just a controller because all it does is control digital files. On a real turntable you can play 78's 33.3's and 45's. When you show me how to do that with a Rane 12 I will concede. Until then peace Brother.
We had to learn the hard way because there wasn’t any other way. Based on your argument, you shouldn’t use a cross fader because up the up and down fader was first, and you shouldn’t use the up and down fader because the knobs were first! lol. Me personally, tech is fine be as long as it doesn’t compromise the integrity of the art form. I remember when we used to say using the switch was cheating lol! We can appreciate the rane 12 because the tone arm is in the way and you didn’t always have good pressings of vinyl and needles wear out your vinyl. You have a choice, be a purist or a hypocrite. lol.
let people do what they want Rob !... you really do sound totally miserable... have a break !!