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  • Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
  • This is a full recap of the 2023 Florida RV Supershow in Tampa, Florida. In this video, we highlight some of the cool new RVs for 2023, Winnebago's new electric Class B eRV2 camper van and a 5th wheel from Space Craft with an amazing off-grid battery system. We also provide tips and tricks to survive the RV show.
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    01:42 Space Craft off-grid camper with Volta Power Systems
    02:58 Winnebago eRV2, all-electric, zero emissions RV
    03:56 2023 Newmar Bay Star Class A Motorhome
    06:05 Vendor Hall Exhibitors at the Tampa RV Show - TechnoRV and Defiance Tools
    08:10 Roadtrek Class B camper van Pivot Bathroom
    10:10 Wingamm Oasi 540 Walk-Through: • 17’ Micro Class B RV W...
    10:28 One Bedroom Park Model Tour
    11:34 Leisure Travel Vans Wonder Twin Bed Ford Transit Camper
    11:57 Omnia Stovetop Oven Demo and Kait's Cookbook
    12:22 InTech Flyer Small Travel Trailer Toy Hauler
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 158

  • @robertabrams8562
    @robertabrams8562 Рік тому +7

    Awww, seeing that lil clip of Leo playing fetch in the old Class A, brought back some very fond memories! And also, seeing the dry/wet bath in that Roadtrek, for me personally, brought back sweet memories as well!
    Very nice video for sure 👍🏼👏🏼🖖🏼

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +2

      Yeah we wanted to throw a clip of the little guy in the video.

  • @larry1w1
    @larry1w1 Рік тому +4

    Get the Sign!

  • @ianfurqueron5850
    @ianfurqueron5850 Рік тому +2

    Of course you should get the sign!
    The Ekko has a similar wet/dry bath shower wall.

  • @callieduval3000
    @callieduval3000 Рік тому

    Lived there for 20 years and never went to this show now that I'm doing rv research I will take a trip back to join in and check things out in Tampa.

  • @LarryBlue55
    @LarryBlue55 Рік тому +7

    Get yourself a sign WE'RE THE RUSSOS if you have a place to put it.

  • @zhirsr
    @zhirsr Рік тому +1

    enjoyed the walkthrough of Leisure Vans Wonder

  • @barbarareed2041
    @barbarareed2041 Рік тому +1

    I so agree. We have had an A and 5th wheel in our young years. We love our van!!!

  • @bernadettebutler7935
    @bernadettebutler7935 Рік тому

    Funny when we were at the show I saw those ovens and knew one of our podcasters used it! Now you are reminding me! We bought one and can’t wait to use it! I have to watch for your cookbook!

  • @edgarheinrichs8876
    @edgarheinrichs8876 Рік тому +3

    Like the toy hauler at the end. Cool idea.

  • @kenarabrewer5828
    @kenarabrewer5828 Рік тому

    The pivot shower was interesting, but my favorite part was the flashback with Leo in the BayStar. Excellent vid!

  • @sura-quayarbon6055
    @sura-quayarbon6055 Рік тому

    I have had my eye on that stove for awhile but have heard off because concerns with using it effectively so your Omnia stove recipes is very, very welcome!

  • @keithSimsDolphin69
    @keithSimsDolphin69 Рік тому +1

    Missed being at the show this year. Thank you for your video covering all the bases of the show

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      You’re welcome! We missed seeing you and the whole family at the show.

  • @lrobie123
    @lrobie123 Рік тому +1

    Perhaps buy three signs. One for the back of the house and one for in the woods. One for in the Den inside the house. The swinging shower compartment is a great idea in the Class B. The shower and bathroom in Class B's usually take up a lot of space. Saw several Class B's at a local RV show in the fall last year. One of the technology challenges of electric vehicles is the charging. Looking forward to a Cummins hydrogen powered pickup someday. Heard RAM VP talk about it at a car show last year. Wonderful about the upcoming recipe e-book. The pull behind camper idea is better than having two camper vans for sure (at the end of your video)

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Yes, but it would be easier to travel with two vans than a trailer...it's much more difficult going places with a trailer since you can no longer park in a standard spot. Rules out many places.

    • @lrobie123
      @lrobie123 Рік тому

      @@Weretherussos two vans == $420k though. the kind that you like...

  • @bryanseverino3674
    @bryanseverino3674 Рік тому

    Thanks for the tour of the RV show......

  • @gosmall.livelarge
    @gosmall.livelarge Рік тому

    Great video. Burger, coffee, and pivot bathroom in a van. Thx for sharing !

  • @garretlewis4103
    @garretlewis4103 Рік тому +1

    👍👍👍 for the Storyteller booth. It was the best booth at Overland Expo East. Plus we got to see you guys.

  • @c.gar.5314
    @c.gar.5314 Рік тому +2

    Great to have you guys back and active!!!👍

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      We haven't stopped making videos but UA-cam wasn't showing people our videos...if you've missed them just go back through our library

  • @pamt6829
    @pamt6829 Рік тому

    Yes, get a sign. I’ve always wanted one 👍. Great video.

  • @LindsayLola_
    @LindsayLola_ Рік тому

    Wow! Thank you for sharing! That looks like an amazing show!

  • @52Dannytheman
    @52Dannytheman Рік тому

    Love to you both. Love that southern leaning Ya’all you both threw in there. Your cell phone case was perfect.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Love you too Dan! Good to know about the phone case cause if anyone would notice, it'd be you.

  • @TNTRVing
    @TNTRVing Рік тому

    Great video, sorry we didn't run into you. This is the first time Tina & I attended the Tampa RV show, we had a great time.

  • @maryrobinson6903
    @maryrobinson6903 Рік тому +1

    Love you guys! My favorite part…Kait’s announcement about Omnia stove recipes! Can’t wait!🎉

  • @larkendelvie
    @larkendelvie Рік тому +2

    ERV2 is great and once Ford expands the range it will be awesome. While the range sucks it's a big step forward from last years prototypes. I also love that they offered test drives. From some of the other videos on it I've seen it sounds like Winnebago is trying to be as flexible as possible on which van to go for but have gone so far as to patent the solar panel configuration they plan to use on the Transit.

    • @scottdorsey8220
      @scottdorsey8220 Рік тому +1

      I'm still leary on any EV due to EMFs and poor range. I'd have significant anxiety.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +2

      Still a pilot program and they've said the range isn't where they need it to be. Stay tuned for a more in-depth video.

    • @VanDoghies
      @VanDoghies Рік тому

      @@Weretherussos Ford for the win!

  • @noworries.8601
    @noworries.8601 Рік тому

    Hello and thank you. I especially appreciated your Wonder FTB walk through.

  • @ChosenChildofGod1
    @ChosenChildofGod1 Рік тому

    Yes get a sign. Love the Dog & play as mine would so l0ve

  • @markreynolds3850
    @markreynolds3850 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for showering all the neat RV’s

  • @AB-so3jv
    @AB-so3jv Рік тому

    Awesome video!!

  • @smiller6238
    @smiller6238 Рік тому +1

    Yes get one, we want one. Thanks for the ride along.

  • @lisarobison3395
    @lisarobison3395 Рік тому +3

    Definitely get the sign!! 😁

  • @joshuamills4983
    @joshuamills4983 Рік тому +1

    Visiting one of the biggest RV shows in USA, definitely on my bucket list to go there one of these days! 😎 Looks like you both had a blast at the RV show!

  • @ijblessjourney
    @ijblessjourney Рік тому +1

    We enjoyed the vibe and meeting some of the RV influencers. We missed you both, maybe next time.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      We were also only there Tues and Wednesday - sorry we missed y'all

  • @Hsia_Travels
    @Hsia_Travels Рік тому +2

    Shame, Wingamm Oasi 540.1 vaporware.. Good to see the show is back in full swing!

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      So We spoke to them and the first US production model SHOULD be rolling off the line this spring. We'll see...

  • @janesloger5826
    @janesloger5826 Рік тому +1

    My favorite was meeting you both at the show. Bought an Omnia and really looking forward to your recipes. Safe travels!!

  • @micheleeastlake2994
    @micheleeastlake2994 Рік тому

    I love seeing new camper/camping products.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      We'll post a couple more in depth videos over the next couple weeks

  • @bonniepwtf
    @bonniepwtf Рік тому +1

    The shower wall flip is a great idea. 💡 So much to see, thanks for sharing with all of us.

    • @tarquin3071
      @tarquin3071 Рік тому +1

      The Europeans were way ahead here; this feature can be found in Class B vans here for several years. Innovation is coming from the old continent .

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +2

      You are so welcome Bonnie!

    • @deborahschaub2925
      @deborahschaub2925 Рік тому

      EKKO has one

  • @mariocooke5463
    @mariocooke5463 Рік тому +2

    bring your diesel generator to recharge the eRV when it's cloudy

  • @sharonfields6703
    @sharonfields6703 Рік тому +1

    I like the Roadtrec Willow green van for the the color inside, less wood. I like the Pivot because if the cassette toilet. Would like to mix the two.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      They said they are testing the colors and guess which van sold first at the show...the one with the blue.

  • @keyplayer5
    @keyplayer5 Рік тому +2

    I loved the shower! Better if it was double the size. Great video! 💕

  • @edwardmcgowan5044
    @edwardmcgowan5044 Рік тому +1

    We followed your original recommendation. We wanted to look at Newmar and Tiffin. Great that they were close to each other. After the traffic to get in, we made it to Newmar, hung out there for about an hour. Went over to a Tiffin and did the same. On the way out we looked at some Winnebago Class B’s and we were out. Place was too packed for my liking!! 😂. Still had a great time.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Good to hear Edward - it can get very busy, especially on the weekend.

  • @joshuamills4983
    @joshuamills4983 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @allanr2682
    @allanr2682 Рік тому

    Just read your guys 1st book. Enjoyed it very much. Can’t wait to dig into the 2nd book!

  • @TheEdelKampers
    @TheEdelKampers Рік тому +1

    Enjoyed your show recap. This was our first time coming to the Tampa Show and you are so right you certainly need more that one day to take it all in. We thought the innovative bathroom in the van was pretty awesome. Thank you for sharing the tips. Have a wonderful week. Mary 💕 Fred

  • @tinawilliams7888
    @tinawilliams7888 Рік тому

    Thanks so much for this video. We want to hit that show someday. My fave was the park model because we live in our fifth-wheel now, kept stationary. We travel with a truck and trailer. Loved this video!

  • @carolinecote6908
    @carolinecote6908 Рік тому

    Great mix of info in this video. We went to the Hershey show last September and was surprised to find how tiring it was. The Florida show is next on our list. Thanks for all the tips!

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Florida is much larger than Hershey so be prepared!

  • @itsPreznt
    @itsPreznt Рік тому

    I loved seeing the different models, but would like to see more of the gadget stuff . I am Canadian and as such, we don't get access to any of these shows here, there are a few, but nothing like the American shows. So this is great fun and appreciate you hiking around all day in the heat.

  • @auroranite
    @auroranite Рік тому +2

    You drop the soap in the Roadtrek “shower”stall forget it. No room to bend.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately that's a problem with most wet baths I've seen. I much prefer the shower in our Storyteller that is a wrap around curtain.

  • @norm4907
    @norm4907 Рік тому

    Finally you saw the LTV’s

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      We spent some time camping out of them: ua-cam.com/video/hrqj3-Y8b8s/v-deo.html

  • @vince8705
    @vince8705 Рік тому +1

    100 mile range is a big no, however we all know that will be increased to around 300 miles. Get the sign , sign it and auction it off to members❤ for charity..

  • @LincRYAN
    @LincRYAN Рік тому +1

    Yes . WOW great selection of RVs .

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Biggest show in the US! You should have your parents take you one year.

  • @alvinmousseau1100
    @alvinmousseau1100 Рік тому

    Great video

  • @j.patrickmoore9137
    @j.patrickmoore9137 Рік тому

    The ERv2 is interesting but it would need a lot more range for my consideration... But maybe with a tow package that can take a platform with a gas generator to extend the range?

  • @mikemanjo2458
    @mikemanjo2458 Рік тому +1

    108mph range...I don't think so. Winnebago has been doing that Pivot Shower design for a couple of years, it looks like it would work well. Thanks for bringing us along. I wanted to go to Tampa so I really appreciate it. Much love to y'all from SC, Jane ❤🙏

  • @jmb-cm7mr
    @jmb-cm7mr Рік тому

    My husband and i are going to the 2023 Hershey RV show this September we have already put our hotel reservation in.

  • @cariboudave
    @cariboudave Рік тому +1

    Definitely the french press. Daisy the dog and I were both whooped after 1 day there. 12,400 steps, about 5 miles walked. Cheers. Let me know if you goto boundary oak distillery!

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Will do - thank you again for the suggestion!

  • @Salem-nj7wj
    @Salem-nj7wj Рік тому +1

    Love your channel, get the sign

  • @larrycurrie7252
    @larrycurrie7252 Рік тому

    Very informative video. My only ask would be to spend more time on the Roadtrek models as Winnabego generally gets much more attention. We are saving up for the Roadtrek Zion Slumber. If you see one please let us know what you think!

  • @rogerbuss5324
    @rogerbuss5324 Рік тому

    Get the sign it's always nice to have I picked one up and says Oregon tumbleweed make sense of what they are and what doing

  • @williamduffy4585
    @williamduffy4585 Рік тому +1

    Sign, yes

  • @DoGooder13
    @DoGooder13 Рік тому +2

    Not as detailed of a walkthrough of class bs as I hoped but thanks anyway. The Roadtrek wet bath flip over has been in the Ekko.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      This was just an overview - we have detailed walk-throughs coming as separate videos.

    • @DoGooder13
      @DoGooder13 Рік тому

      @@Weretherussos Gotcha, awesome, thank you. I look forward to them. 😉

  • @suzannewch7202
    @suzannewch7202 Рік тому

    I liked seeing all the different sizes of rvs, vans. Those two colored vans look so much better than (in my opinion) those big “swoops” on larger rvs…..

  • @judycee9263
    @judycee9263 Рік тому +1

    I think I could live in that cargo trailer. Just add a stow away composting toilet and an outdoor solar shower.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      You definitely could and I would say just shower at gyms and campgrounds, etc.

  • @amiralions2681
    @amiralions2681 Рік тому

    Yes, cute UA-cam couple you need a wooden sign with your brand on it!

  • @renaissancepoet
    @renaissancepoet Рік тому

    7:16 This clip is actually from Star Trek's "mirror universe." Look at that goatee on Joe! Lol

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Yeah that's old school RV life right there

  • @deborah4579
    @deborah4579 Рік тому

    The Roadtrek pivot looked pretty interesting. The bonus throwback footage was fun to see and as someone who hasn’t made an RV show yet, the tips are helpful. Since the Omnia oven was my Christmas present, I’ll look forward to Kait’s recipes.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      You should definitely go to a show but go during the week...it's buys but the weekends are crazy

  • @hank1527
    @hank1527 Рік тому

    Gong Xi Fa Tsai Happy Chinese New Year!!!

  • @jimandvalstravelchannel
    @jimandvalstravelchannel Рік тому

    Get the sign guys! And Kait, we will definitely be checking out your recipe book when you upload it.

  • @StoneRunning23
    @StoneRunning23 Рік тому

    Free burritos??! What show was this??! 😃 we were there and we missed that part! Had a great time tho. (We just bought a lil camper van last month) love the video! New subscriber here! Thanks!

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Storyteller always has breakfast burritos at their booth at the start of a show. Happy to hear you had a great show and welcome to the channel!

  • @cindyfrakes3311
    @cindyfrakes3311 Рік тому

    Get a sign!!!!!

  • @VanDoghies
    @VanDoghies Рік тому

    Looks like a great show! The EV tech is going to be super fun to watch. Did any of the vendors you were talking with speak about self-charging vehicles? Otherwise the distance ceilings will be a big problem for RV/Van lifestylers.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Do you mean self charging via solar? If so, that's not feasible right now. On a camper van you might have 1,000 watts/hr of solar (which would be HUGE) and the e-Transit, for example, has a 68,000 watt battery. Even if the solar was 100% efficient (typically they're about 25%), it would take 68 hours of direct sunlight to charge the vehicle. Now you also have the people in the van using things like lights, etc so most of the solar is going to support that and not charging the chassis battery.

    • @VanDoghies
      @VanDoghies Рік тому

      @@Weretherussos Great point but I'm referring to the serpentine alternator style charging that can charge a house battery. Need the engineering to also charge chassis battery and that will be the game changer. I would love to hear what Ford engineering is discussing about this feature and what are the major barriers. (I'm sure there are huge barriers still or Tesla would also be doing it)

  • @C.Z.IMP65
    @C.Z.IMP65 Рік тому

    Yes get one of those signs.❤❤

  • @sandrab.5065
    @sandrab.5065 Рік тому +1

    The pivot style bathroom is nothing new. I first saw this bathroom in European camper vans about 2 years back. Also, I believe the new winnebego ekko (2022) has this pivot style bathroom.

  • @allenbazar2707
    @allenbazar2707 Рік тому

    Liked that toy hauler with the two pop outs,does the beds slide in our swing up to close?

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      They swing up to close the doors and stay out of the garage area

  • @mattberry4457
    @mattberry4457 Рік тому +1

    the electric rv is fine if you want to go camping within 100 miles of your house. 60 if it’s cold.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Thats the concept for now. Winnebago said the range isn't what they need to put this into production but they're testing the platform so they're ready when the range can be extended.

  • @suesorensen2137
    @suesorensen2137 8 місяців тому

    Love watching you guys! i have watched several you tunes videos of the Tampa show, but not one video talk about pricing of the rvs , can you find discounted prices?

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  8 місяців тому

      Yes. Most RV prices should be discounted. On a standard RV expect to get around a 20% discount

  • @larry1w1
    @larry1w1 Рік тому +2

    👍

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      You were the first to comment - thank you for watching Larry!

  • @bobw9297
    @bobw9297 Рік тому +1

    cool shower , i would have to have it 6 inches bigger

  • @VandelayIndustriesLLC
    @VandelayIndustriesLLC Рік тому

    Any footage from Thailand? Would love to see Thailand thru your eyes! Hope all is well!

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Hey Jay! Here’s a link to our Thailand videos playlist Thailand VLOGS
      ua-cam.com/play/PLpqJFyT0tg-JJ1LXRmNPs_sE4NLgNKFzE.html

  • @reelsweetfishing
    @reelsweetfishing Рік тому

    awwww....Leo

  • @junjharamjakhar9674
    @junjharamjakhar9674 Рік тому

    I am from India rajsthan 👍

  • @RB_AdVANtures
    @RB_AdVANtures Рік тому

    Love this video. Question - wife and I are interested in only Class B. We are in Minnesota but want to hit this show. Is there 2 days worth of Class B rigs (particularly on the Mercedes chassis)? We’ve done a couple local shows here and been pretty disappointed - hardly a Class B at all.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Hi Rob - there are a lot of vans at the Florida show and all of the big RV shows around the country. Smaller ones are hit and miss. That said, you should go to the Adventure Van Expo in Wisconsin this year which will be the closest one to you. Here's a full list: weretherussos.com/van-life-gatherings/
      Also, here's a list of the RV shows around the country: weretherussos.com/rv-shows/

  • @ethanseltzer
    @ethanseltzer Рік тому

    What kind of watch you rocking Joe?

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Hey Ethan...it's a Citizen similar to this one: amzn.to/3XoQkQw I've had it since 2006 and it's been great. A pin on the metal band broke so rather than replacing the pin I got the green strap you see now from Amazon.

  • @dennymedeiros4504
    @dennymedeiros4504 Рік тому

    We have a sign. Sure get one.
    We no longer rv. Health reasons.
    So the sign is on our home.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому

      Sorry to hear that but glad to know it's been repurposed.

  • @muffinflowersrvad485
    @muffinflowersrvad485 8 місяців тому

    Do they custom design the wood signs?

  • @daniellatty1169
    @daniellatty1169 Рік тому +1

    When ram pro master comes out with a full electric vehicle that will blow the Ford EV away and get the sign

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Looking forward to seeing what they come out with

  • @Thesaltymedic36
    @Thesaltymedic36 Рік тому +1

    I think 22 bucks for a burger is ridiculous 😂.

  • @juliejulie1545
    @juliejulie1545 Рік тому +1

    When's the next road trip with mom, she is such a cutie. Hope she is doing well.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      Probably not for a while - shes been busy!

  • @lrobie123
    @lrobie123 Рік тому

    By the way, in your first book, it was a painful read(shaking my head when you were looking for the large diesel pusher) about how you went about the RV search.

    • @Weretherussos
      @Weretherussos  Рік тому +1

      The book was painful to read or that section?

    • @lrobie123
      @lrobie123 Рік тому

      @@Weretherussos the path travelled when looking for the diesel pusher. No problems with the book content per se.

  • @52Mirza
    @52Mirza Рік тому

    I don't like expandable, electrical either.

  • @lauratippit8234
    @lauratippit8234 Рік тому

    U guy need to make a coffee cup to buy

  • @bread1206
    @bread1206 Рік тому

    What you paid for that burger 20 bucks 🤣

  • @flybyairplane3528
    @flybyairplane3528 Рік тому

    WTR, HELLO,JOE &KAIT,KAITi see you got new eyeglasses, now,I only use cheap readers,+2.5,After cattarect surgery not being,in the market,the TAMPA RV,show ,is HUGE, ,THERE IS,BIG TRUCK.BIG TRIPS,he designed his trailer layout,built on a commercial truck trailer chassis, a smart,for2,and a VOLVO HDT,TRAILER BUILT BY SPACE CRAFT, 5TH WHEEL RIG,,He promised to do a blog,about his layout,, well WTR,stay well,KAIT,your lunar new year come up now GREETINGS, ,,,,,,,,,,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @leeS04
    @leeS04 Рік тому

    Erv 👎🏻. Range is too short.

  • @rvierra7235
    @rvierra7235 4 місяці тому +1

    A whole 108 miles of range....which of course really means, roughly 20% less, so a whopping 86.4'ish??😂😅.