You think you know Little Round Top? Licensed Battlefield Guides Garry Adelman and Tim Smith take viewers on a tour of some of the lesser known facts about the famous landscape.
For all who noted that the 20th Maine wasn't mentioned look at the bright side, at least you know enough to ask. Although this was specifically about Little Round where the 20th Maine was absolutely magnificent in a crucial role, how often do you hear about the 1st Minnesota in any general discussion on Gettysburg? Hancock rode up to the 1st Minn (day 2) and ordered them to take the colors of Wilcox 1,400 man brigade and buy him 5 min time to move reinforcements. Those 262 men knew they had a suicide order and nobody faltered. They pushed Wilcox back 75 yards held for 15 min . Only 47 returned.
I befriended First Sergeant Coffen, US Army, in Camp Doha Kuwait, 2003. He was also a Park Ranger and guide at Gettysburg. He died in Iraq and his death along with other Military members was featured in News Week. I have yet to visit Gettysburg, but First Sergeant Coffen advised me to visit. He was looking forward to returning back to working for the National Park Service. Miss my friend and fellow Citizen.
This is the type of information that is so cool. I am tour guide in Louisiana and cover the 1864 Red River Campaign, showing points of interest not known, and many not marked or not properly marked. Obviously I don't know this level of detail of the truth of most battlefields across the country and appreciate those that do. Visiting Gettysburg I would go, on look! this marker here is where XYZ Regiment was! Cool! But that regiment might have been a 100 yards away in reality. Good video...thanks.
The best speech ever written . Written by a true believer of the Constitution. I was required to learn it in 5th grade. I loved it so much that all these many years later, I can still recite it. Thank you for bringing it up.
I agree. Fantastic information from two, very well-informed, gentlemen. Thank God men and women, such as them, exist to keep alive the memory of the terrible sacrifices that brave men, North AND South, endured to eventually form a better, stronger Republic. It isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the one that split into two warring camps.
If you go to Gettysburg, be sure you go to the stone wall and do 360 degree look - see. So, you can get the full perspective of the battle field.... Be sure you understand Gettysburg battle field is a CEMETERY.. I Pray they still have the Museum. See the High Water mark. And the Oak trees in the center of the battle field. GET PHOTOS for later.
Gary and Tim are some of the nicest people you'd ever meet. Been on a few of their tours in the Burg. They genuinely love what they do and are all to happy to share the knowledge that they've acquired over decades with anyone.
Hey, thanks for putting this together, and, of course, for the upload ... but would it be asking too much for you to add some type of general locator map? You guys know where all these monuments and assorted landmarks are located, but, most likely, the same is not true for us viewers. Please toss in a map ... or even a few. Perspective, particularly, surface features, including roads and cultural items, battlefield layouts, distances and etc mean a lot.
My 3rd Great Grandfather, two 2nd Great Grandfathers, and 4 Great Great Uncles all fought for The Union. I wish I knew how to find out what battles they were in. All of my Grandfathers survived, but 3 of my 4 Uncles were killed in battle.
You can't mention little round top without someone automatically going "Chamberlain's bayonet charge", my friend. It's as though they alone saved the whole hill when in reality, you had many brave heroes there that day. Colonel Patrick O'Rorke and the 140th New York were among some of the first troops to engage the rebs after getting the plea for units to help defend the hill from General G.K. Warren. The sudden impetuous and shock of the charge of O'Rorke's men so effectively stopped the rebel assault from that side of the position as to make the rebs shift their efforts towards the part of the line occupied by Vincent's brigade. O'Rorke died in the initial charge, having been shot through the throat. His funeral a few days later in Rochester, New York was attended by members of both the protestant and catholic communities out of respect and admiration of the fallen colonel. Also pertaining to Colonel O'Rorke, he was among several of the founding members of the Fenian movement here in the U.S. before the war in early 1861 along with men like Thomas Francis Meagher and Michael Corcoran.
It is a very big oversight to not mention Chamberlain and his 20th Maine. But find comfort in the fact that my grandmothers grandfathers 15 Alabama charged uphill against a defensive position at Chamberlain under Gen Oates after suffering large losses from the US SS (snipers) and nobody ever mentions them or gives consideration that it is much harder to offensively charge uphill then it is to defensively charge downhill.
@@catmandu1957 anybody with logic knows that defense is the superior form of combat because you're just sitting and waiting for the other people have to take more risks to attack you in most cases
For me, another interesting video. As far as the subject matter is concerned, I am in no way trying to disrespect the memory of the fallen which these monuments commemorate but I can't help feeling that some of the monuments are just too large and, in some cases, are a blight on the battlefield. It is a pity that the site wasn't under some sort of control at the time of their installation to limit them to a maximum and more modest size, thus allowing any excess subscriptions raised for their erection to be more appropriately distributed among disabled soldiers and the families of those killed in action.
My college history professor was previously a park ranger, and he also claims to have seen something strange on Little Round Top. It was getting dark and the park would soon be closing. He looked down the hill and saw a soldier on horseback and thought is that a reenactors? So he came down hill and lost sight of the soldier for a moment and when he came around to the bottom the soldier had vanished. He claimed to not believe in ghosts but this was obviously baffling.
@@Jeffro3780 my son's and I said hello to the officer and lady they responded however there is no way that hoop dress came up there thru the brush and unnoticed by us it was dead calm no cars we we're alone !
Love the videos if it so critical to svae battlefields explain why so many in tennessee and georgia have been built on.😭😭😭😭. Just like i use yo live in dead center of a civil war battlefield, sevveral neighboor hoods actually and a church and all there is a small plaque on the church lot. Like really sad. Great video folks but it be great if that july3rd sign was removed!
Always interested in what the two of you have to say. Will always pay attention to your remarks. Suggestion comment. I prefer vids that don’t have the drum and fife music. More annoying than mood setting.
Informative as always - *LIKED* the video --- *1st Minn Sharpshooters* channel with Civil War reenactor live fire, hard marching, and rustic adventures ... enlist today.
The story of the 20th Maine was only typical of the story of the Union troops on Little Round Top. The 20th Maine gets far too much of the hype. All of them should get praise for what happened there. And it should always be remembered, particularly by the Park Rangers, that the park wouldn't even exist today if it wasn't for the work of Congressman Dan Sickles after the war. This is also true of the monument to the New York regiments. My great grandfather served in the third corps, and I cherish his copy of the Civil War History published for the Grand Army of the Republic. In great part, it also owes its existence to the work of Congressman Dan Sickles after the Civil War.
So true. Many on LRT deserve high praise. As well as Greene at the other end and the 1st Minn. in the middle. And many other heroic stories up and down the line. And that was just day 2!
@@kengamble2375 Day two was the day of decision. Both Longstreet and Alexander are in agreement on that point. It was the day that the Confederates lost the strength to carry the field. Picket's charge was very grand and all that, but it was a hopeless thing as Longstreet and Alexander well knew beforehand. Day two, one both ends of the line, left only one hand to play for Lee, and that was the center. To move the troops in the center to renew the attack on either end would have split Lee's troops right out in the open in front of the enemy. Unlike Chancellorsville, where Lee had an opportunity to move a large segment of his army largely unseen, that option was not available at Gettysburg, though whether or not Meade would have been sharp enough to actually move forward to intercede with such a movement is questionable. But most certainly Meade would have known to counter the movement in his own position and so just move the inevitable failure to another place and time.
The gentleman with the mustache, I’ve heard him in other videos discrediting the offense of the confederates at Pickett’s charge. Saying “it wasn’t even close” ironically all other park rangers from the USNPS I’ve heard speak of it said that it was a great offense and it was just as close as it’s been reported. So personal opinions should be kept to yourself and report actual facts
It is called HISTORY....there are "Facts" and there are "Facts"....one of the fun, or frustrating, parts of studying/interpreting history. "History is a fable agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte
Well, I have always considered Joshua Chamberlain a great commander because he had the instinctual good sense to know the confederates could never breach Little Round Top. The hill was steep and rocky. It would be difficult to sweep downhill, much less uphill. The confederates must have been so tired, they gave up halfway. I don't want to hear no confederate historians lolly gagging, if the hill was not steep the confederates would have won. Nope.
Definitely from a Yankee perspective. Anyone can stand behind strong works in trenches behind logs assisted by artillery and shoot . Why don't you memorialize the brave men charging into fairly certain death as they try to defend state's rights which were unconstitutionally being attacked by the north.
Brave? They were fighting against their own brothers for the right to let states decide weather or not slavery would exist. Sound like traitors to me. What states rights besides slaver were they fighting for?
What's with all the over done hand movements and expressions? Granted good presenters use their hands but hold on. You're talking about US History here, let alone what many consider "sacred ground". Many of your viewers on UA-cam aren't going to have the slightest idea of what Getteysburg is or was so it'll be entirely educational for them. How they interpret your talk will be key to their understanding of that pivotal point in our history. You both start out using exactly the same hand expressions and movements, so much so that it's truly over done (in my humble opinion anyway). You are clearly MOCKING each other OR whomever suggested that you do so. While I agree that it's important to have fun on the job and if I were presenting the same material I'd also be looking for ways to have fun. But you guys aren't pitching a CEO of a large company NOR giving a motivational speech here. Getteysburg is probably the only place on Earth where Americans killed each other to the tune of approximately fifty-three thousand casualties in just two and a half days. It was obvious to me that both of you were either counseled on your movement in front of the camera or spoke of this yourselves. So what's the problem? Well if you're both "licenced battlefield" presenters at Getteyburg I feel that maybe there's a way to not mock each other during an educational video. You both are clearly Yankees (as am I) so maybe a little less fun here? Or at least one of you be from the South? No wonder all those daughters put up all those southern monuments all over the place. Maybe they foresaw the impending misrepresentation in their future? Sorry for the criticism but I've studied the US Civil War my entire life and it just seems as though you two are so board with your material that you resort to MOCKING each other and subsequently our history "as it's told". Thank you for the informative video.
Getteyburg? Getteysburg? I find it very disturbing that someone that has studied the Civil War and is so critical of these men, doesn't know how to spell Gettysburg.
For all who noted that the 20th Maine wasn't mentioned look at the bright side, at least you know enough to ask. Although this was specifically about Little Round where the 20th Maine was absolutely magnificent in a crucial role, how often do you hear about the 1st Minnesota in any general discussion on Gettysburg? Hancock rode up to the 1st Minn (day 2) and ordered them to take the colors of Wilcox 1,400 man brigade and buy him 5 min time to move reinforcements. Those 262 men knew they had a suicide order and nobody faltered. They pushed Wilcox back 75 yards held for 15 min . Only 47 returned.
I agree. The action of the 1st Minnesota on that day was one of the greatest acts of selfless devotion ever recorded... "to the last man!"
I befriended First Sergeant Coffen, US Army, in Camp Doha Kuwait, 2003. He was also a Park Ranger and guide at Gettysburg. He died in Iraq and his death along with other Military members was featured in News Week. I have yet to visit Gettysburg, but First Sergeant Coffen advised me to visit. He was looking forward to returning back to working for the National Park Service. Miss my friend and fellow Citizen.
Sad to actually know someone who served and didnt return. This memorial day is for them
@@mariocisneros911 Thank you Mario!! Blessings upon you and family members.
Well worth the trip. Read up on the Battle before you go. It will make the trip all the more interesting if you understand the flow of the battle.
Ive only read about the roads that were around Devils D... it was nice to see those old photos.. thanks guys!
This is the type of information that is so cool. I am tour guide in Louisiana and cover the 1864 Red River Campaign, showing points of interest not known, and many not marked or not properly marked. Obviously I don't know this level of detail of the truth of most battlefields across the country and appreciate those that do. Visiting Gettysburg I would go, on look! this marker here is where XYZ Regiment was! Cool! But that regiment might have been a 100 yards away in reality. Good video...thanks.
"The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract."
The best speech ever written . Written by a true believer of the Constitution. I was required to learn it in 5th grade. I loved it so much that all these many years later, I can still recite it. Thank you for bringing it up.
Thanks, been there many times, now reason to go back many more.
Love this historical perspective, thanks to Timothy & Garry.
I agree. Fantastic information from two, very well-informed, gentlemen. Thank God men and women, such as them, exist to keep alive the memory of the terrible sacrifices that brave men, North AND South, endured to eventually form a better, stronger Republic. It isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the one that split into two warring camps.
Great work. Amazing that time requires so many updates. Good thing that the changes are done tastefully and with basic respect. (for the most part).
Informative film. Thanks.
Great video fellas, great information for those just starting to have a bigger interest in this period of time. Thanks. Gotta get there one day.
Can't wait to get there this year when it warms up a bit. Also, it sounds like hooligans are trolling Gary around the 4:40 mark, lol!
If you go to Gettysburg, be sure you go to the stone wall and do 360 degree look - see. So, you can get the full perspective of the battle field.... Be sure you understand Gettysburg battle field is a CEMETERY.. I Pray they still have the Museum. See the High Water mark. And the Oak trees in the center of the battle field. GET PHOTOS for later.
Sounds like solders to me..
3:36 "sagacity"...word of the day!
Really interesting. Thanks!!
Nice presentation. Very interesting material. Moved well.
Gary and Tim are some of the nicest people you'd ever meet. Been on a few of their tours in the Burg. They genuinely love what they do and are all to happy to share the knowledge that they've acquired over decades with anyone.
3:14 Did you know that General Gouverneur K. Warren cousin is Ulysses S. Grant. Both are descendant of Richard Warren of the Mayflower.
Didn't help Warren much when he got sacked after the battle of Five Forks.
Dancing
Are all of your mamas kids idiots or just you ? :o)
I did not know that. But I did know that I am also a descendent of Richard Warren.
Very informative thank you
Hey, thanks for putting this together, and, of course, for the upload ... but would it be asking too much for you to add some type of general locator map? You guys know where all these monuments and assorted landmarks are located, but, most likely, the same is not true for us viewers. Please toss in a map ... or even a few. Perspective, particularly, surface features, including roads and cultural items, battlefield layouts, distances and etc mean a lot.
Great video
My 3rd Great Grandfather, two 2nd Great Grandfathers, and 4 Great Great Uncles all fought for The Union. I wish I knew how to find out what battles they were in. All of my Grandfathers survived, but 3 of my 4 Uncles were killed in battle.
You can get their enlistment records from National Archives. Then it's easy to find what battles their units were in by simple Google.
where s the short battle sequence from it seems real cool
Excellent information . Brings one closer than just the fact the battle happened
As a Maine boy, and 30 year Army veteran, how could you NOT mention our beloved 20th Maine???
You can't mention little round top without someone automatically going "Chamberlain's bayonet charge", my friend. It's as though they alone saved the whole hill when in reality, you had many brave heroes there that day. Colonel Patrick O'Rorke and the 140th New York were among some of the first troops to engage the rebs after getting the plea for units to help defend the hill from General G.K. Warren. The sudden impetuous and shock of the charge of O'Rorke's men so effectively stopped the rebel assault from that side of the position as to make the rebs shift their efforts towards the part of the line occupied by Vincent's brigade. O'Rorke died in the initial charge, having been shot through the throat. His funeral a few days later in Rochester, New York was attended by members of both the protestant and catholic communities out of respect and admiration of the fallen colonel. Also pertaining to Colonel O'Rorke, he was among several of the founding members of the Fenian movement here in the U.S. before the war in early 1861 along with men like Thomas Francis Meagher and Michael Corcoran.
Any Civil War buff knows about the 20th Maine LOL keywords unknown that being said Joshua Chamberlain is my favorite Union person
It is a very big oversight to not mention Chamberlain and his 20th Maine. But find comfort in the fact that my grandmothers grandfathers 15 Alabama charged uphill against a defensive position at Chamberlain under Gen Oates after suffering large losses from the US SS (snipers) and nobody ever mentions them or gives consideration that it is much harder to offensively charge uphill then it is to defensively charge downhill.
@@catmandu1957 anybody with logic knows that defense is the superior form of combat because you're just sitting and waiting for the other people have to take more risks to attack you in most cases
With respect, I’d encourage you to look back at the title of the video.
TY!
Very Interesting..
Not one mention of the heroics of the 20th Maine at Little Round Top. Puzzling!
Why is it the 20th Maine has such a small monument in relation to others and it was not talked about at all in this video?
What's the songs?
Good video, but they didn't even mention Joshua Chamberlain and the 20th Infantry Maine Company G.
Thats a good thing. We hear enough about Chamberlain. There were other commanders and regiments at Gettysburg.
Nothing was mention about the 20th Maine at Gettysburg.
Save Civil War monuments and statues!
Not if they’re of traitors who tried to destroy this country
@@theman37924 We can respect and learn from Confederates... and certainly honor the bravery and tenacity of their leaders and men
J Findling honor the men who fought tooth and nail for the preservation of slavery and the belief of racial superiority? ....nah I’m good
J Findling you ca learn from them by reading a book. Monuments glorifying traitors is racist and ignorant.
@@jrunn93 Going by your logic... everything in America is traitorous because we succeeded from Britain.
For me, another interesting video. As far as the subject matter is concerned, I am in no way trying to disrespect the memory of the fallen which these monuments commemorate but I can't help feeling that some of the monuments are just too large and, in some cases, are a blight on the battlefield. It is a pity that the site wasn't under some sort of control at the time of their installation to limit them to a maximum and more modest size, thus allowing any excess subscriptions raised for their erection to be more appropriately distributed among disabled soldiers and the families of those killed in action.
Gee that's fun! Sad Stonewall wasn't there
Saw 2 ghost up there one was playing a fiddle the other in a hoop dress in Nov of 2006 approx 7pm!
My college history professor was previously a park ranger, and he also claims to have seen something strange on Little Round Top. It was getting dark and the park would soon be closing. He looked down the hill and saw a soldier on horseback and thought is that a reenactors? So he came down hill and lost sight of the soldier for a moment and when he came around to the bottom the soldier had vanished. He claimed to not believe in ghosts but this was obviously baffling.
@@Jeffro3780 my son's and I said hello to the officer and lady they responded however there is no way that hoop dress came up there thru the brush and unnoticed by us it was dead calm no cars we we're alone !
You should have mentioned the 20th Maine.
What do those crosses stand for ?
CRISPY BACON580 It’s the Corp badge of the unit or solder in question. Like the Screamn Eagle of the 101st Airborne. Civil War style.
Love the videos if it so critical to svae battlefields explain why so many in tennessee and georgia have been built on.😭😭😭😭. Just like i use yo live in dead center of a civil war battlefield, sevveral neighboor hoods actually and a church and all there is a small plaque on the church lot. Like really sad. Great video folks but it be great if that july3rd sign was removed!
Nothing about the 20th Maine, or the 83rd PA. Both units repelled the attack with the 44th NY...... hmmm.
Who named it Devil's den? Was it named before the civil war by a farmer?
Not a word about the sacrifice of the 1st Minnesota. Sad.
Some of those large monuments neet to be replaced with smaller more appropriate monuments
Are the Curious Rocks a natural formation? Or is it possible humans stacked them like that? They sure don’t look natural.
So where did Vincent actually fall?
You noticed that too, huh? Maybe he was clumsy?
Anybody else peeved by them building roads there? Or is it just me.
If the sign is incorrect...remove it...
👍👍👍
I don't care what the elitists say, but certified park service or non park service site interpreters/guides ARE essential workers!
Always interested in what the two of you have to say. Will always pay attention to your remarks. Suggestion comment. I prefer vids that don’t have the drum and fife music. More annoying than mood setting.
Thanks Dale. We no longer use the music on our newer War Department videos.
Informative as always - *LIKED* the video --- *1st Minn Sharpshooters* channel with Civil War reenactor live fire, hard marching, and rustic adventures ... enlist today.
The story of the 20th Maine was only typical of the story of the Union troops on Little Round Top. The 20th Maine gets far too much of the hype. All of them should get praise for what happened there. And it should always be remembered, particularly by the Park Rangers, that the park wouldn't even exist today if it wasn't for the work of Congressman Dan Sickles after the war. This is also true of the monument to the New York regiments. My great grandfather served in the third corps, and I cherish his copy of the Civil War History published for the Grand Army of the Republic. In great part, it also owes its existence to the work of Congressman Dan Sickles after the Civil War.
So true. Many on LRT deserve high praise. As well as Greene at the other end and the 1st Minn. in the middle. And many other heroic stories up and down the line. And that was just day 2!
@@kengamble2375 Day two was the day of decision. Both Longstreet and Alexander are in agreement on that point. It was the day that the Confederates lost the strength to carry the field. Picket's charge was very grand and all that, but it was a hopeless thing as Longstreet and Alexander well knew beforehand. Day two, one both ends of the line, left only one hand to play for Lee, and that was the center. To move the troops in the center to renew the attack on either end would have split Lee's troops right out in the open in front of the enemy. Unlike Chancellorsville, where Lee had an opportunity to move a large segment of his army largely unseen, that option was not available at Gettysburg, though whether or not Meade would have been sharp enough to actually move forward to intercede with such a movement is questionable. But most certainly Meade would have known to counter the movement in his own position and so just move the inevitable failure to another place and time.
The gentleman with the mustache, I’ve heard him in other videos discrediting the offense of the confederates at Pickett’s charge. Saying “it wasn’t even close” ironically all other park rangers from the USNPS I’ve heard speak of it said that it was a great offense and it was just as close as it’s been reported. So personal opinions should be kept to yourself and report actual facts
It is called HISTORY....there are "Facts" and there are "Facts"....one of the fun, or frustrating, parts of studying/interpreting history.
"History is a fable agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte
Well, I have always considered Joshua Chamberlain a great commander because he had the instinctual good sense to know the confederates could never breach Little Round Top. The hill was steep and rocky. It would be difficult to sweep downhill, much less uphill. The confederates must have been so tired, they gave up halfway. I don't want to hear no confederate historians lolly gagging, if the hill was not steep the confederates would have won. Nope.
Probably would of been a better video
any other time of year without the snow
so we could see what it looks like.
Has anyone from the. Gettysburg group ever watched this video to try to read the captioning?
Why are they all union what about the confederents there's still humans ain't they
That in my opinion is deseredpecting the south because of all the confederents thst fell
Yall dang yanks
Hm..... A story about monuments..... extremely uninteresting!
I dont get it. When some people talk, theyre hands just cant stop wawing around and it only confuses the listeners. STOP IT!
ChampDK Is there some Gesture School that Guides must go through? They were so annoying, I stopped watching...
Nice try guys, but you are not in the same league as Matt Atkinson.
Garry Adelman makes this unwatchable tim smith is great
I'm sorry to say that I don't find it interesting to hear monument trivia. I care about the story of the battle, not the story of the monuments.
you have to have a license to be a guide??? how screwed up is that? why can't you just be the best???? maybe the free market should decide...
Definitely from a Yankee perspective. Anyone can stand behind strong works in trenches behind logs assisted by artillery and shoot . Why don't you memorialize the brave men charging into fairly certain death as they try to defend state's rights which were unconstitutionally being attacked by the north.
you mean memorialize the brave men who misguided fought to continue slavery and white supremacy for the rich politicians of their states?
..Like Fredericksburgh…?
BECAUSE THEY LOST! duh
Brave? They were fighting against their own brothers for the right to let states decide weather or not slavery would exist. Sound like traitors to me. What states rights besides slaver were they fighting for?
What's with all the over done hand movements and expressions? Granted good presenters use their hands but hold on.
You're talking about US History here, let alone what many consider "sacred ground". Many of your viewers on UA-cam aren't going to have the slightest idea of what Getteysburg is or was so it'll be entirely educational for them. How they interpret your talk will be key to their understanding of that pivotal point in our history. You both start out using exactly the same hand expressions and movements, so much so that it's truly over done (in my humble opinion anyway). You are clearly MOCKING each other OR whomever suggested that you do so.
While I agree that it's important to have fun on the job and if I were presenting the same material I'd also be looking for ways to have fun. But you guys aren't pitching a CEO of a large company NOR giving a motivational speech here. Getteysburg is probably the only place on Earth where Americans killed each other to the tune of approximately fifty-three thousand casualties in just two and a half days.
It was obvious to me that both of you were either counseled on your movement in front of the camera or spoke of this yourselves. So what's the problem?
Well if you're both "licenced battlefield" presenters at Getteyburg I feel that maybe there's a way to not mock each other during an educational video.
You both are clearly Yankees (as am I) so maybe a little less fun here? Or at least one of you be from the South? No wonder all those daughters put up all those southern monuments all over the place. Maybe they foresaw the impending misrepresentation in their future?
Sorry for the criticism but I've studied the US Civil War my entire life and it just seems as though you two are so board with your material that you resort to MOCKING each other and subsequently our history "as it's told".
Thank you for the informative video.
Getteyburg? Getteysburg? I find it very disturbing that someone that has studied the Civil War and is so critical of these men, doesn't know how to spell Gettysburg.