Tim whilst we hate losing, losing to the Pumas is palatable. If you research it you will see we have a long history with their rugby from sending over coaches in their formative years to inviting them to tour, to inviting them and sponsoring a team to play in the Currie Cup and pushing for their inclusion in the Tri- nations to make it the Rugby Championship. Knowledgeable Puma fans will acknowledge this and many refer to the Boks as their “ big brothers”and most of us do take pleasure in their results except when it’s against us and “ little brother” beats us 😀.
@@CrsigBuck have to agree, love the Pumas! I’m not mad in the slightest they beat us, if anything it’s brilliant for the RC that there’s this competition.
Of course, but is not like Argentina didn´t show they deserve a chance to compete. We also made a great effort since rugby here is amateur and those who started becoming profesional after the 1999 WC were doing it by the chances clubs over Europe gave them too. In order to achieve the 2007 third place (winning against the host 2 times) we also had players that actually could make a living of rugby and dedicate fully on that. Yes the inclusion of Jaguares as a franchise was good and the inclusion in the Rugby Championship was also inmense to have international competition over the year among the best. Even thou the NH didn´t want us in the 6 nations, the leagues in Europe also gave players a chance to compete. We didn´t come from nothing. It took a lot of effort and risks, and the amateur clubs in our country to produce this players and giving them a chance to compete at international level. Forever grateful with South Africa, but also grateful to the amateur players that cemented the road and grab the attention to the international leagues and after that, the international national team competition.
Tim, I think that a lot of us forget that Argentina played in a SEMI-Final at the world cup!! Los Pumas is not an average run-of-the-mill team that will bend under pressure. The world is going to see a lot from Argentina in the next few years. And they played the real "opportunist" game against SA. Bokke made a lot of errors and the Argies snatched them up.
@@aidan-ator7844 so Ireland with 3 grand slams 6 6 nations 9 triple crowns record time at number 1 beating France twice New Zealand three times England 3 times South Africa 3 times Argentina twice , you think Argentina have won more and have a stronger rugby heritage than Ireland , stop being a clown…
ABs fan here: your criticism is warranted and on point. Clearly, we have some very important facets of the game to work on. I think one part of that that is affecting the last 20 mins is mental. I don't think Barrett is handling the captaincy well. He is an excellent player, one of the best locks in the world. And he's absolutely disappeared. Having said that, if whatever the SA camp is doing warrants patience, I don't see why the ABs are not worthy of the same grace. The ABs indeed failed to score in the last 20 mins, but just saying that is misleading. There were mere inches involved in multiple disallowed tries. Saying the ABs have unaddressed discipline issues is also a shade unfair. The ALB yellow card was sudden and surprising. The referee gave him the booby prize because he decided that three in a row = yellow card. Yet he had the Aussie half-back screaming at him for 3/4 of the game, completely out of line, and he got not one but two warnings. He actually slapped Sam Cane directly on the top of the head right in front of the ref... so bringing the refereeing into the conversation is not unwarranted. And if someone tries to suggest that the quality of international refereeing over the last wee while is up to the standard we all hope for, I would say that's objectively inaccurate. Personally, I don't think we are anywhere close to the ABs finished product yet and we may well be in for more salty tears as we head off to face three deadly teams in the north (Ireland, France and an England keen for revenge). But I see many positives emerging from the team at the same time. I'm gonna focus on those and keep cheering my team on.
ABs need one decisive captain an less vice captains. It undermines the captain's confidence. Not sure if Barrett is the guy. Siya was missed by the Springboks in that game.
From Agentina here... As you said Tim is hard for The Pumas to back up those kind of wins and is not only lack of depth (wich it is of course). More of a mental issue I think... used to be the underdogs and fail at deliverying when there are high expectations.. Still have faith this group of players and staff will get better at it in the next few years...🤞Thanks for your analysis.. much appreciated! 🙌
The only player that played like a world champion was Ox Nche. He was amazing, of all played like him we would have won. Yes Moermat Salmon osnt bok quallity or captain. Hopefully they will look at themselves and come back firing in Nelspruit
Having feedback from outside the New Zealand bubble is interesting, fascinating even. And definitely refreshing. You, Squidge and others offer perspectives that I do not hear expressed anywhere within NZ media. The most useful insights are likely to come from Julian Shaw, Two Cents and Hakatime, not NZ rugby media. While I'm here, just letting you know been following you since your Great work at the world cup. And your hot take is the first reaction to show up in my UA-cam feed after every All Black game. Great work Tim. An amazing one man band.
You write as if NZ rugby scribes are more knowledgeable about the game than the average bear. They're not. They're just watching the same game we are. It's just one man/woman's opinion. Besides I think its a given in this day and age, that in whatever field, rugby, other sports, politics, entertainment, fitness, health etc etc , that the trend is for people to be turning away from main stream media for their information and discussion and turning to other means such as this content. For example I'm presently a little invested in following the USA election campaign. The only content I view is through UA-cam. I only very occasionally read a main stream newspaper article or watch main stream news on TV. I most certainly wouldn't pay to get through a pay wall to read a NZ Herald part time rugby scribes report of a match. I don't know why any one would.
@@clarke1319 A little harsh I think. @taura101 is simply paying a compliment to Eggchaser. I can see where he/she is coming from. If you watch the NZ Sky TV pundits on the analysis shows in the week after matches they are remarkably blinkered. Justin Marshall does my head in with his pro-AB bias (I am not a Kiwi, by the way). The panel often seem very ignorant of opposition players from other countries. Yet the same guy co-commentating on NZ TV in a game is unbiased and excellent! I think NZ media are somewhat insular and have not come to terms with how the game globally has improved (Ireland being a prime example - couldn't beat the ABs for 100+ years and have now done so often). The likes of Two Cents, Squidge and others, and Tim above all IMHO, are excellent - no dispute there. As for using UA-cam for American politics (not American either but also feel invested), the amount of partisan clickbait on UA-cam is simply embarrasing! 😁
If you're n NZ.... Don't watch the breakdown. It's terrible. aotearoa rugby pod is great. Balanced and really informative. Eggchasers still the OG though. 🤩 Love it.
Best summary I’ve heard so far to sum up SA is - Libbok is not the reason SA lost but he is the reason SA didn’t win. If we continue to defend like that then we’re in for some issues down the line.
😂 nah… they embarrassingly underachieve. They’ve got over four times the player resources of any other Rugby Championship nation, and yet have more wooden spoons in this comp than any other. Even after this year’s title, it would take another FIFTEEN years of consecutive titles just to draw level with NZ
@@ablewilling2778 Sour Grapes mate. The only team with more wins than South Africa is New Zealand (After this year if the Boks win on Saturday) who have been untouchable for the good part of a decade. Since the Rugby Championship started in 2012, South Africa have only Wooden Spooned once, with Aussies at 3 and Argentina at 9. Never mind that SA have 4 world cups having played 2 less tournaments. They have won 20 of their last 24 matches. Double world cup winners, also having won the British and Irish Lions series, which New Zealand did not and the Aussies probably can't. South Africa do player rotation which does cost them games, but empowers them to win World Cups. And they are the only team currently who have the depth to make 10 changes consistently and still be winning games. Unfortunately. Over 55% of the country live below the poverty line and rugby is far from the number 1 sport in the country. The Springboks are definitely in the strongest position for the time being, possibly pretty neck and neck with Ireland. Any logical person can come to this conclusion, unless they are a hater.
ABs broke our hearts so many times in the last few minutes of a game we were leading in, that I used to literally believe they were unbeatable. Not any more. They did beat us in the WC but if you remember we hammered at them for last 14 minutes, which used to be their thing. November will tell
After that defeat I purposefully stayed off social media I knew I loved the boks didn't realise that I loved them that much that defeat bothered me I couldn't even sleep😂. S/o to Los Pumas🇦🇷 always have had a soft spot for them in Rassie we trust see you guys in Mbombela this weekend❤️🇿🇦🤘🏾
Boks also down to No.2 in the world rankings because of the loss, at least for a week. Argentina looking the business and much improved from the World Cup.
Even if the Boks win in Nelspruit we cant reclaim to spot in the ranking. Home advantage means we start with + 3 points then that puts us more than 10 points clear of the Pumas which means we can't take any points off them
@willydebeer2350 They can reclaim the top spot if they beat Argentina by more than 15 points. That will put them 0.03 points ahead of Ireland. A victory by less than 15 will keep them at 2nd spot with 0.10 points behind Ireland.
@4Q_4Q2 you cant take points from a team with 10 points less than you. We are 91.77 anarthey are 84.3. Add +3 to uss and we will have 94.77 which is 10 or more points so nothing for us if we win. If you don't believe me then go check out the rules
Tim i agree with you with Nz and their lack of discipline. My own humble opinion is they will do anything in there 22 not to concede a try , but rather give away a penalty. Problem being multiple offences lead to yellow cards .And playing with only 14 or 13 men costs them more points in the long run .
Salmaan Morat? As lock and as captain? In neither of these roles has he shown that he is worthy of the green and gold. Many as kicker has not shown any BMT. There are three other players, except Sasha, knocking on the door. Look at Hendrikse's kick in the Curry Cup final. The team created the moment for our kicker to win it ...
@@jacobpretorius2741 That guy doesn't need the pressure. He's already all over the field tackling everything that moves. He doesn't need any distractions IMO.
Hey Tim, love your posts and your passion for the Boks and South Africa are palpable. I lived in the UK for almost 10 years and being back in SA makes me very proud. I am glad you spot all the nuances in Rassie's coaching and I agree with your views 95% of the time. I am surprised that you did not mention Murat's poor performances as a captain and player so far. To me he has been put in a position where is not comfortable. As you know, we have AMAZING locks in our country and loosies so there are no places for passengers. I did honestly not hear his name being mentioned once during Saturday's game. Not as a tackler, not as a runner, almost never in the line out??? Don't get it. Thanks for your continued support and un-biased views of rugby.
Being 1 player down will disrupt your defensive structure...and pumas are very good at knowing when to up the pace...after that yellow it took the guys a while to get their focus back after being rocked
As for Mani Lubbock not enough rugby to build up his confidence. He should be relieved of his kicking responsibilities and he will be given the chance to display his talent. I thought also the yellow card decision was harsh. His head was nowhere near the zone.
The problem is if Manie does not kick then you need Pollard at 12 who is at best an average 12 compared to the other options or you need Sasha at 15 and leave the best 15 in the World Willemse out the team. Nah drop Manie, we have Sasha and replace Manie with Siya the 10 fron the Sharks.
Libbok's kicking for touch was terrible too, and his running was sideways and he was throwing hospital passes. His whole season, URC incl, was mediocre, even at Stormers, he shouldnt be 1st choice FH anymore.
There was this at the time of 2007 when Percy Montgommery from 15 was the main person responsible for kicking. Butch James the back up. We could consider this
I love that you are wearing a Charlie Hofmeyr Jersey, you put a big smile on my face seeing you with my old school clothing! I am just catching up on the videos now on a rainy UK day. Lekker! :D Hope you are having a braai to celebrate the South African Braai day today.
Tim, great analysis of the 2 games. Yes, similar situation against NZ and Ellis Park vs Cape Town test. The Boks had good structure to be 17-0 up early in the game, but we needed a stronger territorial game in the latter stages. Too many uncontested up and unders, particularly from Fassi. This opens it up for Los Pumas. Willie Le Roux can pin teams in the corner and therefore creates more set piece advantage. Our scrum was noticeably stronger than theirs, which was a surprise. Expect a tighter and more controlled approach at Mbombela. Siya and PSDT will make a significant difference on Saturday.
Best thing that could have happened, is that Manie kissed the kick, introspection, Tony brown play, with changing our core.. Defence..! Brute force.!... Will be a strugle to match...we need to understand.. That always it has been the 80% plus kicker that wins the big games... SA by 23 this weekend... Hence it was good that we lost..
Hi Tim great content as usual. Rassie needs to bleed in the next generation players and they need to play on the bigger stages to gain experience. I dont think Rassie is gambling with the Championship he will have a game plan coming to finish it off but 3 years is not allot of time till next WC and the youngsters need to play and answer questions. As far as Tony Brown it will be easier for new players to slot into those changes than the old lot that are set in their ways already.The 2019/2023 WC Boks have a certain way the play with minor tweeks here and there. The new gen players will slot into Browns play much easier
I'm an Irish man and I will say the top 3 teams are the best in the world...ABs best in History, SA are best every four years and Ireland are consistently the best. There is literally nothing between them.
See in South Africa we have a four year election cycle and mysteriously you see potholes being repaired, less load shedding and houses being built. In rugby we seemingly do the same thing 😆
You are correct with Nz been the best team ever , You are wrong that Sa are only good every 4 years .Sa has a winning record over all the following sides since they first played each other, England, Ireland , France, Wales, Scotland, Australia, and Argentina plus against the British and Irish lions. Ireland has been great the last 3 years but they haven't won anything significant and until they do they won't get the respect from the rugby world .Ireland supporters conviently forget history and the world cup cause there records are dismal in both.Dont want to blow your thunder cause u really have a class team at the moment .But historically you have won the 4th most six nations,the 3rd most triple crowns and that's in a six team competition. All of England,Wales,Scotland and France have a winning record against Ireland. I hope your team wins a world cup soon ,and then your team and supporters will get the respect you deserve. Best of luck for the end of year tour against Nz .
@@CraigMinnie but my comment clearly separated them into three categories and no I didn’t say South Africa aren’t good I said they aren’t the best team until when it matters most and then seeing them lose a match that really mattered over the weekend against Argentina solidifies my point. Ireland are in recent years the best team. What other team on the planet could beat South Africa in South Africa with that many injuries and star players missing? Not even South Africa could beat South Africa in South Africa 😂
Something you must consider is that SH teams plays twice a year against both ABs and Boks for the points, both these teams have a tougher battle to reach number 1 in ranking than any NH teams.
Argentina 100% the team of the week, their attack was so good to watch. Bitter pill to swollow, but that was good rugby. My Boks will be back strong this week.
South African yellow cards in the World Cup , Eben Etzebeth (vs France) Cheslin Kolbe (vs New Zealand) Siya Kolisi (vs New Zealand) V 5 yellows for the AB's , the second time today I heard that South Africa were no yellow cards in the WC ( that cost them in big tests)
Honestly, as a SAFFA, I am not disappointed by the losing. Pumas are a brilliant team, I am disappointed by the coaches not taking out our best team to win first, then blood. But its no shame to lose to the Pumas, they have one of the best backline, just struggle at scrum time.
Tim, spot on on all fronts, with the exception of one point when Rassie was at Munster he didn’t leave a whole lot behind him,there was no bigger picture, keep up the great analysis Tim your out on your own.
Sometime ago I got the sense that Rassie is working towards the rugby version of Johan Cruijff’s total football. Team = 23 rather than starters being seen in glory terms and the bench seen as “also rans” “demoted to” rather than a strategic advantage to deliver a total solution and address the new demands of the faster game, more technical aspects and ever changing rules. Rassie is working on a “new rugby” hypothesis based on the value and merit of all 23 players. Feels like Farrell is on the same mission. The rest of the coaches not really seeing the future.
Cheers Tim. I think Rassie was pipped at the post while simultaneously learning a multitude. NZ still refuse to address their disiplone. Too many cards and penalties.
Hi, ok, it's me again. I love the fact that the Aussies showed some guts, I hate the fact that the AB's did not play at their best yet again. These two teams are better than what they are performing at the moment. Not gonna say anything about the bokke, they have their own demons to fight now. But well done for the Los Pumas. We need a stronger Souther Hemisphere group in general. Ireland has been too strong for too long, and although the Bokke could stand up to them, every now and again. The Lions tour is coming. We can't let a full Ireish contingent run amuck here.
Great analysis, Tim. I think as SA, we put ourselves in a very tight position to reduce this to a Manie missed kick. . how we allowed Argies to crawl back from a 17 nil lead is a cause for concern
Everybody laughed when I said watch out for the Pumas.... But know this we saved the best for last and we Boks aren't in a good space about the loss. Even with the team we pitched on Saturday. We should have won...... But everybody forgot they won in NZ. And yes the AB are down on the moment, even so they are not easy to beat at home. Thanks for the lesson Pumas.
There were some hugely worrying signs in the Bok performance. 1) Libbock proved again that he lacks BMT, yet management fail (or don't want to) to see it. 2) Pollard was out on his feet when he was subbed. Yes it was a hot day, but he looked SERIOUSLY exhausted & unfit. A few other players were hands on knees puffing after just 20min in that match too. 3) Bok defence has gone backwards. Adding running attack to the toolbox is great, but not at the expense of defence. The rush defence has looked a disaster in the last few matches, with the outside backs looking more like ballerinas than rugby players. Faf is still key to the Bok rush defense, him not being there and it's a house of cards. 4) Kicking was mindless. Kick-offs were often way to long, box kicks were poor, no-one is plugging the defensive gaps left by chasers, and the chasers were just not contesting, territorial kicking was horrible - far too many exits just put us under more pressure. 5) Lineouts are a disaster. They look way too complicated. For the last 3-4 matches, probably half their own lineouts have been lost. Defensively that adds huge pressure, and on attack it give the opposition a get-out-of-jail card. Bok rugby is about putting pressure onto opposition, and those lost lineouts are just releasing too much pressure.
South Africa leaving Super Rugby must also have had an effect on the Aussi and Kiwi players. SA players find themselves still competing at the highest levels, where as for the Aussi's and Kiwi's, Super Rugby has been left depleted and ultimately less challenging.
I feel South Africa's issue was their decision making under pressure. With Manie on, you don't win that penalty and immediately go for a drop goal. You play some phases, you attempt a strike play or get the drop goal attempt closer and then go for it. This also uses up the left over time. Even if Manie made that kick, there was still going to be a restart. Definitely leadership is missing. It is the right time to experiment in the world cup cycle, so I am happy over all. Just immensely frustrating to give it away at the death there.
Hopefully selectors and all the political guys have seen that Moerat is NOT the future of Springbok rugby. Hoping and praying. If that guy continues to play, we'll be losing many more games.
The ABs are really missing Mo'unga, apart from being probably the best 10 in world rugby, he would give Robertson much better options around the use of McKenzie, Barrett and Jordan. I think our pack is looking better every outing, hopefully we can get more experience into our young locks along the way.
Imo, the AB forwards are fatiguing themselves instead of the opposition defenders. Not so much due to fitness but cos their attacking shape requires more effort to make ground 2 or 3 off the ruck via pods thru a rush defence. They must either carry defenders for post contact metres or be cut down behind the gain line. To get across the advantage line, nz forwards are expending too much energy, so they're spent at the 60th minute. They need to consider route 1, round fringes, narrower attack which condences not only support play, but the defense lines, which can trouble rush defence.... Or I'm possibly wrong 🤔
insightful analysis as always. Sure Manie should have put the kick over, that's a key part of his job, but the rest of the team shouldn't have left him in the position of having to slot it to win. It's a team responsibility. Boks should happily accept the loss and chalk it down to building strength. Rassie has learnt a load about his squad depth over the RC which will put them in a great position moving forwards. Du Toit, Nortje, Dixon, Sacha, Fassi have all come through and others have dropped back like Libbok, Moerat ... If you play your number one team every game you don't build up for the future.
Tim, on AB’s…..NZ rugby has an issue with depth and quality of players coming through the system. There is also an issue with mental toughness which is something that needs addressing. Razor has a clear plan on how he wants to play, which is taking time to bed in. I think you will see some changes in the next 18 months for the better.
So proud of Argentina!!! Flaming hot backline!! This was always the aim - to lift all southern hemisphere teams in the Championship. And not the first time the Boks come up short against the Pumas. Good to cut down a bit of the arrogance. But of course i am still the ultimate Bok fan ❤
Tim to your question of is 10 changes worth it. This has been done before, boks made 10 changes and lost to Wales by 1 point, just like this weekend. Does it sting? For sure, but it’s worth it in the bigger picture when SA goes on to win a World Cup. These games answer questions as to who is ready and who is not, and in building a WC winning squad that is vital. Ireland are now number 1 on the rankings, well done to them, however they fell short at the WC as they played the exact same squad in every pool game and then couldn’t get through a quarter. SA rotated through the pool games to be ready for the playoffs. Losses like this hurt but are part of the process of building that squad depth.
As always a great summary Tim ! One thought on ABs, as rucking has disappeared from rugby has this been a bigger loss to NZ more than any other nation as well as foreign based players. For SA Rassie has still won a bonus point and may use the game to remove players from the squad who didn’t perform
Excellent commentary and insight Tim, thanks for given a few new perspectives... Is going to be interesting to watch the finals this coming weekend. All Blacks by 20; Bokke by 10 (I dare)
Libbok played his part in the loss (I'm more likely to forgive his easy to convert missed penalty but the over-kick to the corner is the kick that upsets me most because we declined the 3 points to go for a try and that kick ended with ARG scoring. Te real painfully obvious reason for loss is that yellow on KL Arendse. We had no way of defending properly with him gone and I dont blame him, that was a tackle we see regularly in matches without punishment and not the same as direct straight contact to head...so that rule makes for very inconsistent refereeing overall. All that aside I believe Argentina played exceptionally well and fully deserve credit for that win and I dont think we should ever underestimate them. Hats off to them ❤
in Argentina we would say "con el diario del Lunes"..--> "with mondays newspaper" everyone knows everything.. im really happy about our 3 wins its huge milestone.. still worried about our scrum.
Enjoyed video thankyou,not sure if Arendse and specially Kolbe retires S.A. would be able to dominate games,as they sometime able to with forewards.French, Argentinians,New Zealanders others has great backs.
I trust in Rassie and Nienaber's plan. We kinda have some room to take risks, while also previewing possible players and play styles for the next world cup and going forward.
I can't say I like Rassie, but he is a superb strategist. He is also ruthless when it is needed (something I wish Irish coaches would learn!). He is experimenting with younger players and different playing styles, and they will still likely win the championship. I think he assessed his opposition and realised this was the time he needed to and also could experiment. Argentina must have surprised him!
The power of statistics cannot be denied. It tells it all! Statistics provide us with the opportunity to identify problems and grow from our mistakes. Whether it's giveaway line-outs, missed tackles, weak defense, lack of leadership in critical moments, or flawed decision-making, the entire team, including the coaching staff, must be held accountable for these subpar performances.
Are valid assessment …we should not overlook the brutal trip to travel to Argentina plus the heat …the last ten mins I have yet to see the boks look so fatigued its been a long tournament at high pace …very team will have an off day and they just could not put a full 80 in this game
2 tries in 12 minutes. And Los Pumas scored 4 tries vs 3 in game. It's the 10 mins of not being able to defend a stretching wide attack after losing a very good wide defender K-LA.
Progress is key. This was Rassie’s first Bok 23 in 2018: 1. Nche 2. Ralepelle 3. Louw 4. Jenkins 5. Du Toit (C) 6. Smith 7. Mohoje 8. Du Preez 9. Van Zyl 10. Jantjies 11. Mapimpi 12. Esterhuizen 13. Kriel 14. Ismaiel 15. Bosch 16. Van der Merwe 17. Kitshoff 18. Du Toit 19. Orie 20. Notshe 21. Papier 22. Du Preez 23. Gelant A handful are still there two world cup wins later, some are on the fringes or coming to the end of their test careers and others were not so great picks in hindsight. What will the World Cup Squad look like in 2027? Rassie and his staff have some idea.
As importantly, if you were a subpa rnewish player, you could have learned that, your play needs to improve dramatically to get another chance. Some good players had bad games others seriously lacked battle stats...and some improved... but it had all the look of a scratch team. And that's what it was
Interested in Tim’s take after next week on a TRC compared to Six Nation reflections. Game quality, two games v one game per opponent, fan focus, all that. Perhaps what one comp can learn from the other (if there is something)
Obviously I don't know what feasibility studies would say and whatnot, i.e whether the men in suits would like the idea. But right now, Argentina can literally beat any team in the world.
@stiofain88 It isnt about facing one of the top sides. Exploring and experiencing a country for a few weeks is a huge part of the Lions tour. The Brits travel to France every year for the 6 nations.
Hi Tim. Love your work. I think the first penalty kick was the wrong thing to do. The Springboks should have continued to dominate. A kick to the corner and another maul and try would have been better. We took our foot off the gas there. The yellow card didn't help, but the penalty kick is where the Pumas were let back into the game. I would really like you to discuss the kicking game sometime. For me, it simply hands the ball to the opposition more often than not. The Pumas love loose play. I think that's also where South Africa lost the plot last weekend. In my humble opinion, keeping the ball, starving the opposition, especially the likes of the Pumas, is the answer. You can only score a try if you have the ball in your hands. Rugby would be so much more exciting with numerous phases of the back line.
Hi guy's, Tim your spot on with NZ they have management issues,they genuinely have a problem with 6 and 10 also with 2,6,10 bench players currently not good enough! for that last quarter of the game. Once those positions are sorted the boks will have problems against NZ. Australia on their way back but time will tell. In my opinion Rassie will be forced to take most of his 2 rwc winning veterans to 2027 rwc otherwise he will be having experience problems come 2027. Team of the weekend Argentina setting themselves new a record winning NZ, Aus and RSA in 1 Championship year! Viva Los Pumas Lee Kiwi fan CT
Tim at the tackle why do a player get a yellow or red card if the tackle contact was say on the chest and after that go on higher because of both players movement to the chin or face. What does the rule say i am sure it say where the contact was. Can you find out.
Let’s put this in perspective. South Africa have lost two games by a combined score of two points, while experimenting with selection and while experimenting with play style. What’s the problem, exactly? I mean, we’ve seen how useful an unbeaten run to the RWC actually is when you haven’t put in the work to build depth and variety.
@@Sbu_Phakathwayoif their is arrogance it certainly is not from the Springbok squad. That one's on us Bokke fans. Rassie hates losing, but he is willing to risk losing to maintain the current trajectory to remain at or near the top of world rugby. The YC against K-LA was a turning point because it gave Los Pumas exactly the extra bit of space their game plan required (to stretch us as they did Australia). Uncharacteristically, the Boks struggled to adjust to having one less final line defender. That surely may be ascribed to leaving behind 7 key players. For example, Kolbe and De Allende with Willie Ke Roux at fullback would have been 100% better at making the adjustments. The team that was picked was attack orientated but we needed defense in those 10 14-man minutes. My 2c worth.
Well my issue I definitely not with the bok set up Rassie will correct lacklustre play I'm sure of it, however I can't over look the lack of grace I see from my fellow boks. Just stating we need to learn humility for our beloved boks
@@tsv8664 I don't want to lose, and fully accept that we have to build depth and give players exposure. My point is VERY much aimed at the supporters who seem to think winning by a kick doesn't stick us levels above the opposition
Don’t forget SA gets plenty of very wet slushy weather I recall well from school days all the way up the coast…its only JHB that is far dryer and harder pitch with heavy frost underfoot…the Cape is extremely wet in winter and also experiences very cold winters….besides the UK porches are arguably better drainage system ….
Was it Marx throwing or communication and syncing with the jumpers ie. Look at the combined unit? Secondly, is Marx disadvantaged by constantly coming off the bench versus consistently starting and getting 55 to sixty minutes ie. Is the switch between roles more difficult than we think when you are used to coming off the bench - different player, but to illustrate, we see Kwagga have poor games starting and game defining performances as sub. For the record Marx is my favourite player and I would always start him
NZ not scoring in last quarter because they still see 1 - 15 as team and last 8 as reserves. Last 8 have a special role...Kwagga skills suited for the role
I'm just going to point out, SA in the "big match" world cup final they DID have yellow card, just for some reason the bunker decided to upgrade Sam Cane's to red yet not Kolisi' that was far worse but Savea shrugged it off instead of calling in a tactical medic. Did the Irish or SA start with the tactical medics and tactical water boys flooding the pitch? It's amusing yet frustrating seeing Kolbe on the ground "injured" with the occasional alert look around to see if it's time to jump up and be completely fine yet.
Tim whilst we hate losing, losing to the Pumas is palatable. If you research it you will see we have a long history with their rugby from sending over coaches in their formative years to inviting them to tour, to inviting them and sponsoring a team to play in the Currie Cup and pushing for their inclusion in the Tri- nations to make it the Rugby Championship. Knowledgeable Puma fans will acknowledge this and many refer to the Boks as their “ big brothers”and most of us do take pleasure in their results except when it’s against us and “ little brother” beats us 😀.
@@CrsigBuck have to agree, love the Pumas! I’m not mad in the slightest they beat us, if anything it’s brilliant for the RC that there’s this competition.
We also share a love for a wellcooked bbq steak (braai brothers).
@@AnthonySteinghart yes I agree, we love springbooks and we know is the best team. Also help us to improve, thanks!
@@CrsigBuck I remember watching Hugo Porta kick us to pieces in the early 80’s in Bloem. Naas Botha and all the legends were playing.
Of course, but is not like Argentina didn´t show they deserve a chance to compete. We also made a great effort since rugby here is amateur and those who started becoming profesional after the 1999 WC were doing it by the chances clubs over Europe gave them too. In order to achieve the 2007 third place (winning against the host 2 times) we also had players that actually could make a living of rugby and dedicate fully on that. Yes the inclusion of Jaguares as a franchise was good and the inclusion in the Rugby Championship was also inmense to have international competition over the year among the best. Even thou the NH didn´t want us in the 6 nations, the leagues in Europe also gave players a chance to compete. We didn´t come from nothing. It took a lot of effort and risks, and the amateur clubs in our country to produce this players and giving them a chance to compete at international level. Forever grateful with South Africa, but also grateful to the amateur players that cemented the road and grab the attention to the international leagues and after that, the international national team competition.
Tim, I think that a lot of us forget that Argentina played in a SEMI-Final at the world cup!!
Los Pumas is not an average run-of-the-mill team that will bend under pressure. The world is going to see a lot from Argentina in the next few years.
And they played the real "opportunist" game against SA. Bokke made a lot of errors and the Argies snatched them up.
3 Semi finals in the last five tournaments = heavyweight.
Argentina has better rugby heritage than Ireland
@@aidan-ator7844what is it they have won that gives them better heritage than Ireland ?
@davidwalker2402 multiple quarter finals, a bronze medal at world cup. And good wins against almost all opposition in recent years.
@@aidan-ator7844 so Ireland with 3 grand slams 6 6 nations 9 triple crowns record time at number 1 beating France twice New Zealand three times England 3 times South Africa 3 times Argentina twice , you think Argentina have won more and have a stronger rugby heritage than Ireland , stop being a clown…
ABs fan here: your criticism is warranted and on point. Clearly, we have some very important facets of the game to work on. I think one part of that that is affecting the last 20 mins is mental. I don't think Barrett is handling the captaincy well. He is an excellent player, one of the best locks in the world. And he's absolutely disappeared. Having said that, if whatever the SA camp is doing warrants patience, I don't see why the ABs are not worthy of the same grace. The ABs indeed failed to score in the last 20 mins, but just saying that is misleading. There were mere inches involved in multiple disallowed tries. Saying the ABs have unaddressed discipline issues is also a shade unfair. The ALB yellow card was sudden and surprising. The referee gave him the booby prize because he decided that three in a row = yellow card. Yet he had the Aussie half-back screaming at him for 3/4 of the game, completely out of line, and he got not one but two warnings. He actually slapped Sam Cane directly on the top of the head right in front of the ref... so bringing the refereeing into the conversation is not unwarranted. And if someone tries to suggest that the quality of international refereeing over the last wee while is up to the standard we all hope for, I would say that's objectively inaccurate. Personally, I don't think we are anywhere close to the ABs finished product yet and we may well be in for more salty tears as we head off to face three deadly teams in the north (Ireland, France and an England keen for revenge). But I see many positives emerging from the team at the same time. I'm gonna focus on those and keep cheering my team on.
ABs need one decisive captain an less vice captains. It undermines the captain's confidence. Not sure if Barrett is the guy. Siya was missed by the Springboks in that game.
Well said
Congrats to Los Pumas! You played some beautiful rugby! Can't wait to see you again this Saturday 🎉🎉🎉
Australia improved dramatically when Nick White went off
From Agentina here... As you said Tim is hard for The Pumas to back up those kind of wins and is not only lack of depth (wich it is of course). More of a mental issue I think... used to be the underdogs and fail at deliverying when there are high expectations.. Still have faith this group of players and staff will get better at it in the next few years...🤞Thanks for your analysis.. much appreciated! 🙌
The only player that played like a world champion was Ox Nche. He was amazing, of all played like him we would have won. Yes Moermat Salmon osnt bok quallity or captain. Hopefully they will look at themselves and come back firing in Nelspruit
Having feedback from outside the New Zealand bubble is interesting, fascinating even. And definitely refreshing. You, Squidge and others offer perspectives that I do not hear expressed anywhere within NZ media. The most useful insights are likely to come from Julian Shaw, Two Cents and Hakatime, not NZ rugby media. While I'm here, just letting you know been following you since your Great work at the world cup. And your hot take is the first reaction to show up in my UA-cam feed after every All Black game. Great work Tim. An amazing one man band.
You write as if NZ rugby scribes are more knowledgeable about the game than the average bear. They're not. They're just watching the same game we are. It's just one man/woman's opinion.
Besides I think its a given in this day and age, that in whatever field, rugby, other sports, politics, entertainment, fitness, health etc etc , that the trend is for people to be turning away from main stream media for their information and discussion and turning to other means such as this content.
For example I'm presently a little invested in following the USA election campaign. The only content I view is through UA-cam.
I only very occasionally read a main stream newspaper article or watch main stream news on TV.
I most certainly wouldn't pay to get through a pay wall to read a NZ Herald part time rugby scribes report of a match. I don't know why any one would.
@@clarke1319 A little harsh I think. @taura101 is simply paying a compliment to Eggchaser. I can see where he/she is coming from. If you watch the NZ Sky TV pundits on the analysis shows in the week after matches they are remarkably blinkered. Justin Marshall does my head in with his pro-AB bias (I am not a Kiwi, by the way). The panel often seem very ignorant of opposition players from other countries. Yet the same guy co-commentating on NZ TV in a game is unbiased and excellent!
I think NZ media are somewhat insular and have not come to terms with how the game globally has improved (Ireland being a prime example - couldn't beat the ABs for 100+ years and have now done so often). The likes of Two Cents, Squidge and others, and Tim above all IMHO, are excellent - no dispute there.
As for using UA-cam for American politics (not American either but also feel invested), the amount of partisan clickbait on UA-cam is simply embarrasing! 😁
If you're n NZ.... Don't watch the breakdown. It's terrible. aotearoa rugby pod is great. Balanced and really informative.
Eggchasers still the OG though. 🤩 Love it.
Best summary I’ve heard so far to sum up SA is - Libbok is not the reason SA lost but he is the reason SA didn’t win. If we continue to defend like that then we’re in for some issues down the line.
I don’t think defence is an ongoing issue, I mean 2 weeks earlier we kept NZ try less for the first time in decades if I’m not mistaken
Any other team would love to be where South Africa are now.
😂 nah… they embarrassingly underachieve. They’ve got over four times the player resources of any other Rugby Championship nation, and yet have more wooden spoons in this comp than any other. Even after this year’s title, it would take another FIFTEEN years of consecutive titles just to draw level with NZ
@@ablewilling2778 Sour Grapes mate. The only team with more wins than South Africa is New Zealand (After this year if the Boks win on Saturday) who have been untouchable for the good part of a decade. Since the Rugby Championship started in 2012, South Africa have only Wooden Spooned once, with Aussies at 3 and Argentina at 9. Never mind that SA have 4 world cups having played 2 less tournaments. They have won 20 of their last 24 matches. Double world cup winners, also having won the British and Irish Lions series, which New Zealand did not and the Aussies probably can't. South Africa do player rotation which does cost them games, but empowers them to win World Cups. And they are the only team currently who have the depth to make 10 changes consistently and still be winning games. Unfortunately. Over 55% of the country live below the poverty line and rugby is far from the number 1 sport in the country. The Springboks are definitely in the strongest position for the time being, possibly pretty neck and neck with Ireland. Any logical person can come to this conclusion, unless they are a hater.
@@ablewilling2778carry on hating. Springboks are changing world rugby. 🎉
Really compelling analysis and perspective - especially on the Springboks.
ABs broke our hearts so many times in the last few minutes of a game we were leading in, that I used to literally believe they were unbeatable. Not any more. They did beat us in the WC but if you remember we hammered at them for last 14 minutes, which used to be their thing. November will tell
Hammered ... that's not quite right
After that defeat I purposefully stayed off social media I knew I loved the boks didn't realise that I loved them that much that defeat bothered me I couldn't even sleep😂. S/o to Los Pumas🇦🇷 always have had a soft spot for them in Rassie we trust see you guys in Mbombela this weekend❤️🇿🇦🤘🏾
Very true about the AB discipline
Boks also down to No.2 in the world rankings because of the loss, at least for a week. Argentina looking the business and much improved from the World Cup.
Even if the Boks win in Nelspruit we cant reclaim to spot in the ranking. Home advantage means we start with + 3 points then that puts us more than 10 points clear of the Pumas which means we can't take any points off them
@willydebeer2350 They can reclaim the top spot if they beat Argentina by more than 15 points. That will put them 0.03 points ahead of Ireland. A victory by less than 15 will keep them at 2nd spot with 0.10 points behind Ireland.
@4Q_4Q2 you cant take points from a team with 10 points less than you. We are 91.77 anarthey are 84.3. Add +3 to uss and we will have 94.77 which is 10 or more points so nothing for us if we win. If you don't believe me then go check out the rules
Pumas played well, they are a great team🇺🇸🇿🇦
Tim i agree with you with Nz and their lack of discipline. My own humble opinion is they will do anything in there 22 not to concede a try , but rather give away a penalty. Problem being multiple offences lead to yellow cards .And playing with only 14 or 13 men costs them more points in the long run .
Salmaan Morat? As lock and as captain? In neither of these roles has he shown that he is worthy of the green and gold. Many as kicker has not shown any BMT. There are three other players, except Sasha, knocking on the door. Look at Hendrikse's kick in the Curry Cup final. The team created the moment for our kicker to win it ...
Why can't Pieter Stef du Toit not be Captain?
@@jacobpretorius2741 That guy doesn't need the pressure. He's already all over the field tackling everything that moves. He doesn't need any distractions IMO.
Hey Tim, love your posts and your passion for the Boks and South Africa are palpable. I lived in the UK for almost 10 years and being back in SA makes me very proud. I am glad you spot all the nuances in Rassie's coaching and I agree with your views 95% of the time. I am surprised that you did not mention Murat's poor performances as a captain and player so far. To me he has been put in a position where is not comfortable. As you know, we have AMAZING locks in our country and loosies so there are no places for passengers. I did honestly not hear his name being mentioned once during Saturday's game. Not as a tackler, not as a runner, almost never in the line out??? Don't get it. Thanks for your continued support and un-biased views of rugby.
its a political selection
Your overall analysis on each team, is spot on Tim! Well done! I look forward to your podcasts!
I thoroughly enjoyed your analysis Tim, spot on as usual!
Thank you
Whether Libbok’s kick went over or not, the bigger issue for me is conceding four tries in 15 minutes and blowing a 17-0 lead. Congrats Pumas 🇦🇷
I wouldnt worry too much just given other inexperienced players game time was his plan
Being 1 player down will disrupt your defensive structure...and pumas are very good at knowing when to up the pace...after that yellow it took the guys a while to get their focus back after being rocked
Fair enough
@@x-latetv-x6816 I would. The Boks defense is not what it should be, and hasn't been since Jacques left.
As for Mani Lubbock not enough rugby to build up his confidence. He should be relieved of his kicking responsibilities and he will be given the chance to display his talent. I thought also the yellow card decision was harsh. His head was nowhere near the zone.
Exactly! If he plays, also play Pollard or Mngomezulu.
The problem is if Manie does not kick then you need Pollard at 12 who is at best an average 12 compared to the other options or you need Sasha at 15 and leave the best 15 in the World Willemse out the team.
Nah drop Manie, we have Sasha and replace Manie with Siya the 10 fron the Sharks.
Libbok's kicking for touch was terrible too, and his running was sideways and he was throwing hospital passes.
His whole season, URC incl, was mediocre, even at Stormers, he shouldnt be 1st choice FH anymore.
@@jonathandavis8599 100%
There was this at the time of 2007 when Percy Montgommery from 15 was the main person responsible for kicking. Butch James the back up. We could consider this
Objective and precise as always…😉👍
I love that you are wearing a Charlie Hofmeyr Jersey, you put a big smile on my face seeing you with my old school clothing! I am just catching up on the videos now on a rainy UK day. Lekker! :D Hope you are having a braai to celebrate the South African Braai day today.
Tim, great analysis of the 2 games. Yes, similar situation against NZ and Ellis Park vs Cape Town test. The Boks had good structure to be 17-0 up early in the game, but we needed a stronger territorial game in the latter stages. Too many uncontested up and unders, particularly from Fassi. This opens it up for Los Pumas. Willie Le Roux can pin teams in the corner and therefore creates more set piece advantage. Our scrum was noticeably stronger than theirs, which was a surprise. Expect a tighter and more controlled approach at Mbombela. Siya and PSDT will make a significant difference on Saturday.
Best thing that could have happened, is that Manie kissed the kick, introspection, Tony brown play, with changing our core.. Defence..! Brute force.!... Will be a strugle to match...we need to understand.. That always it has been the 80% plus kicker that wins the big games... SA by 23 this weekend... Hence it was good that we lost..
Hi Tim great content as usual. Rassie needs to bleed in the next generation players and they need to play on the bigger stages to gain experience. I dont think Rassie is gambling with the Championship he will have a game plan coming to finish it off but 3 years is not allot of time till next WC and the youngsters need to play and answer questions. As far as Tony Brown it will be easier for new players to slot into those changes than the old lot that are set in their ways already.The 2019/2023 WC Boks have a certain way the play with minor tweeks here and there. The new gen players will slot into Browns play much easier
I'm an Irish man and I will say the top 3 teams are the best in the world...ABs best in History, SA are best every four years and Ireland are consistently the best. There is literally nothing between them.
See in South Africa we have a four year election cycle and mysteriously you see potholes being repaired, less load shedding and houses being built.
In rugby we seemingly do the same thing 😆
You are correct with Nz been the best team ever , You are wrong that Sa are only good every 4 years .Sa has a winning record over all the following sides since they first played each other, England, Ireland , France, Wales, Scotland, Australia, and Argentina plus against the British and Irish lions. Ireland has been great the last 3 years but they haven't won anything significant and until they do they won't get the respect from the rugby world .Ireland supporters conviently forget history and the world cup cause there records are dismal in both.Dont want to blow your thunder cause u really have a class team at the moment .But historically you have won the 4th most six nations,the 3rd most triple crowns and that's in a six team competition. All of England,Wales,Scotland and France have a winning record against Ireland. I hope your team wins a world cup soon ,and then your team and supporters will get the respect you deserve. Best of luck for the end of year tour against Nz .
Irelands been great for three years but they are great
@@CraigMinnie but my comment clearly separated them into three categories and no I didn’t say South Africa aren’t good I said they aren’t the best team until when it matters most and then seeing them lose a match that really mattered over the weekend against Argentina solidifies my point. Ireland are in recent years the best team. What other team on the planet could beat South Africa in South Africa with that many injuries and star players missing? Not even South Africa could beat South Africa in South Africa 😂
Something you must consider is that SH teams plays twice a year against both ABs and Boks for the points, both these teams have a tougher battle to reach number 1 in ranking than any NH teams.
Argentina 100% the team of the week, their attack was so good to watch. Bitter pill to swollow, but that was good rugby. My Boks will be back strong this week.
Excellent analysis, Tim!...
Charlie Hofmeyr school jersey. Ceres my home town
Hi Tim. Love your content. Are u going to do a review of Hendrikse spectacular 82 winning kick for the Sharks
Well thought out. Thank You.
Rassie is pushing the boundaries- a one point loss isn’t the end of the world: we’ve had the rub of the green an amazing amount of the time….
Loved the analysis. Wish i could make it to Nelspruit.
100% correct in all fronts. Thank Bru.
South African yellow cards in the World Cup , Eben Etzebeth (vs France)
Cheslin Kolbe (vs New Zealand)
Siya Kolisi (vs New Zealand) V 5 yellows for the AB's , the second time today I heard that South Africa were no yellow cards in the WC ( that cost them in big tests)
Tim didnt say that??? Every south african lived through the yellow cards u have listed - especially Cheslin's ❤
Honestly, as a SAFFA, I am not disappointed by the losing. Pumas are a brilliant team, I am disappointed by the coaches not taking out our best team to win first, then blood. But its no shame to lose to the Pumas, they have one of the best backline, just struggle at scrum time.
Yeah same here. Actually glad Argentina got the win. It means they are a force to be aware of and are no longer pushovers
Tim, spot on on all fronts, with the exception of one point when Rassie was at Munster he didn’t leave a whole lot behind him,there was no bigger picture, keep up the great analysis Tim your out on your own.
@eggchaser where did you get that rugby jersey? I was at Ceres High school in the 90s
Sometime ago I got the sense that Rassie is working towards the rugby version of Johan Cruijff’s total football. Team = 23 rather than starters being seen in glory terms and the bench seen as “also rans” “demoted to” rather than a strategic advantage to deliver a total solution and address the new demands of the faster game, more technical aspects and ever changing rules. Rassie is working on a “new rugby” hypothesis based on the value and merit of all 23 players. Feels like Farrell is on the same mission. The rest of the coaches not really seeing the future.
Cheers Tim. I think Rassie was pipped at the post while simultaneously learning a multitude.
NZ still refuse to address their disiplone. Too many cards and penalties.
Great analysis. Nice to hear an unbiased view
Jaques and Rassie winning combination !
Thank you Tim
Hi, ok, it's me again. I love the fact that the Aussies showed some guts, I hate the fact that the AB's did not play at their best yet again. These two teams are better than what they are performing at the moment. Not gonna say anything about the bokke, they have their own demons to fight now. But well done for the Los Pumas. We need a stronger Souther Hemisphere group in general. Ireland has been too strong for too long, and although the Bokke could stand up to them, every now and again. The Lions tour is coming. We can't let a full Ireish contingent run amuck here.
Great analysis, Tim. I think as SA, we put ourselves in a very tight position to reduce this to a Manie missed kick. . how we allowed Argies to crawl back from a 17 nil lead is a cause for concern
Everybody laughed when I said watch out for the Pumas.... But know this we saved the best for last and we Boks aren't in a good space about the loss. Even with the team we pitched on Saturday. We should have won...... But everybody forgot they won in NZ. And yes the AB are down on the moment, even so they are not easy to beat at home.
Thanks for the lesson Pumas.
There were some hugely worrying signs in the Bok performance.
1) Libbock proved again that he lacks BMT, yet management fail (or don't want to) to see it.
2) Pollard was out on his feet when he was subbed. Yes it was a hot day, but he looked SERIOUSLY exhausted & unfit. A few other players were hands on knees puffing after just 20min in that match too.
3) Bok defence has gone backwards. Adding running attack to the toolbox is great, but not at the expense of defence. The rush defence has looked a disaster in the last few matches, with the outside backs looking more like ballerinas than rugby players. Faf is still key to the Bok rush defense, him not being there and it's a house of cards.
4) Kicking was mindless. Kick-offs were often way to long, box kicks were poor, no-one is plugging the defensive gaps left by chasers, and the chasers were just not contesting, territorial kicking was horrible - far too many exits just put us under more pressure.
5) Lineouts are a disaster. They look way too complicated. For the last 3-4 matches, probably half their own lineouts have been lost. Defensively that adds huge pressure, and on attack it give the opposition a get-out-of-jail card. Bok rugby is about putting pressure onto opposition, and those lost lineouts are just releasing too much pressure.
I agree. I'd say that was the worst performance I've seen from the Boks in the last 2-3 years.
Argentina is a very good team with talented players
South Africa leaving Super Rugby must also have had an effect on the Aussi and Kiwi players. SA players find themselves still competing at the highest levels, where as for the Aussi's and Kiwi's, Super Rugby has been left depleted and ultimately less challenging.
What do you mean, the best teams in Super Rugby are still there only the weaker teams left.
I feel South Africa's issue was their decision making under pressure. With Manie on, you don't win that penalty and immediately go for a drop goal. You play some phases, you attempt a strike play or get the drop goal attempt closer and then go for it. This also uses up the left over time. Even if Manie made that kick, there was still going to be a restart. Definitely leadership is missing.
It is the right time to experiment in the world cup cycle, so I am happy over all. Just immensely frustrating to give it away at the death there.
Agreed. Can't just blame Manie - that is so unfair. Boks should not have been in that position at time out.
@anthonylees5735 Naw that guy can't kick he lost us many many test because of his kak kicking
Hopefully selectors and all the political guys have seen that Moerat is NOT the future of Springbok rugby. Hoping and praying. If that guy continues to play, we'll be losing many more games.
The ABs are really missing Mo'unga, apart from being probably the best 10 in world rugby, he would give Robertson much better options around the use of McKenzie, Barrett and Jordan. I think our pack is looking better every outing, hopefully we can get more experience into our young locks along the way.
Great analysis on SA Tim
Imo, the AB forwards are fatiguing themselves instead of the opposition defenders. Not so much due to fitness but cos their attacking shape requires more effort to make ground 2 or 3 off the ruck via pods thru a rush defence. They must either carry defenders for post contact metres or be cut down behind the gain line. To get across the advantage line, nz forwards are expending too much energy, so they're spent at the 60th minute. They need to consider route 1, round fringes, narrower attack which condences not only support play, but the defense lines, which can trouble rush defence.... Or I'm possibly wrong 🤔
insightful analysis as always. Sure Manie should have put the kick over, that's a key part of his job, but the rest of the team shouldn't have left him in the position of having to slot it to win. It's a team responsibility. Boks should happily accept the loss and chalk it down to building strength. Rassie has learnt a load about his squad depth over the RC which will put them in a great position moving forwards. Du Toit, Nortje, Dixon, Sacha, Fassi have all come through and others have dropped back like Libbok, Moerat ... If you play your number one team every game you don't build up for the future.
Tim, on AB’s…..NZ rugby has an issue with depth and quality of players coming through the system. There is also an issue with mental toughness which is something that needs addressing. Razor has a clear plan on how he wants to play, which is taking time to bed in. I think you will see some changes in the next 18 months for the better.
All Blacks, the most happy team in WR. They love there rugby,and brotherhood,win or loose.!!!
Really who you trying to fool .Never ever have I heard such upset and bitter nz supporters.
A lot of top injured players in the Springbok camp.
So proud of Argentina!!! Flaming hot backline!! This was always the aim - to lift all southern hemisphere teams in the Championship. And not the first time the Boks come up short against the Pumas. Good to cut down a bit of the arrogance. But of course i am still the ultimate Bok fan ❤
Tim to your question of is 10 changes worth it. This has been done before, boks made 10 changes and lost to Wales by 1 point, just like this weekend. Does it sting? For sure, but it’s worth it in the bigger picture when SA goes on to win a World Cup. These games answer questions as to who is ready and who is not, and in building a WC winning squad that is vital. Ireland are now number 1 on the rankings, well done to them, however they fell short at the WC as they played the exact same squad in every pool game and then couldn’t get through a quarter. SA rotated through the pool games to be ready for the playoffs. Losses like this hurt but are part of the process of building that squad depth.
As always a great summary Tim ! One thought on ABs, as rucking has disappeared from rugby has this been a bigger loss to NZ more than any other nation as well as foreign based players.
For SA Rassie has still won a bonus point and may use the game to remove players from the squad who didn’t perform
Rucking has been gone for years - and we won two WCs Vince there’s been no rucking
Los pumas 🎉❤
Great analysis once again Tim, all I'm going to say is that it's time for libbok to go and masuku to be brought in
Yes ... thanks Tim. It's all not just Manie
Indeed rational words Tim......
Northern tours gonna be great can’t wait hard to predict
Excellent commentary and insight Tim, thanks for given a few new perspectives...
Is going to be interesting to watch the finals this coming weekend. All Blacks by 20; Bokke by 10 (I dare)
Hopefully by 70
Libbok played his part in the loss (I'm more likely to forgive his easy to convert missed penalty but the over-kick to the corner is the kick that upsets me most because we declined the 3 points to go for a try and that kick ended with ARG scoring. Te real painfully obvious reason for loss is that yellow on KL Arendse. We had no way of defending properly with him gone and I dont blame him, that was a tackle we see regularly in matches without punishment and not the same as direct straight contact to head...so that rule makes for very inconsistent refereeing overall. All that aside I believe Argentina played exceptionally well and fully deserve credit for that win and I dont think we should ever underestimate them. Hats off to them ❤
He should go to u13s he lost us si many games
in Argentina we would say "con el diario del Lunes"..--> "with mondays newspaper" everyone knows everything.. im really happy about our 3 wins its huge milestone.. still worried about our scrum.
From a Bok fan, WELL DONE ARGENTINA. Great win.
Like the Hoerskool Ceres rugby shirt Tim - Hoffmeyer?
I hope the rugby championship continues. It have been a great oportunity to argentina to learn from the best.
Enjoyed video thankyou,not sure if Arendse and specially Kolbe retires S.A. would be able to dominate games,as they sometime able to with forewards.French, Argentinians,New Zealanders others has great backs.
Bring Jaques Nienaber back to coach the Boks !
I trust in Rassie and Nienaber's plan. We kinda have some room to take risks, while also previewing possible players and play styles for the next world cup and going forward.
Enjoyed the weekend of rugby and the RC teams provided drama and 2 great matches to watch as a neutral
I can't say I like Rassie, but he is a superb strategist. He is also ruthless when it is needed (something I wish Irish coaches would learn!). He is experimenting with younger players and different playing styles, and they will still likely win the championship. I think he assessed his opposition and realised this was the time he needed to and also could experiment. Argentina must have surprised him!
Goog analysis. 🎉🎉
The power of statistics cannot be denied. It tells it all!
Statistics provide us with the opportunity to identify problems and grow from our mistakes. Whether it's giveaway line-outs, missed tackles, weak defense, lack of leadership in critical moments, or flawed decision-making, the entire team, including the coaching staff, must be held accountable for these subpar performances.
NZ used to get away with alot but now they're getting blown for penalties and even cards.
Are valid assessment …we should not overlook the brutal trip to travel to Argentina plus the heat …the last ten mins I have yet to see the boks look so fatigued its been a long tournament at high pace …very team will have an off day and they just could not put a full 80 in this game
Agree Tim !
How can you score 3 tries in 12 min but loose the game !
2 tries in 12 minutes. And Los Pumas scored 4 tries vs 3 in game. It's the 10 mins of not being able to defend a stretching wide attack after losing a very good wide defender K-LA.
Well said mate!
Rassie gambled a bit but learned a lot about some players. They did OK.
hopefully rassie learned that libbok cant kick, Marco van staden cant tackle, and Moeras cant captain.
Progress is key.
This was Rassie’s first Bok 23 in 2018:
1. Nche
2. Ralepelle
3. Louw
4. Jenkins
5. Du Toit (C)
6. Smith
7. Mohoje
8. Du Preez
9. Van Zyl
10. Jantjies
11. Mapimpi
12. Esterhuizen
13. Kriel
14. Ismaiel
15. Bosch
16. Van der Merwe
17. Kitshoff
18. Du Toit
19. Orie
20. Notshe
21. Papier
22. Du Preez
23. Gelant
A handful are still there two world cup wins later, some are on the fringes or coming to the end of their test careers and others were not so great picks in hindsight.
What will the World Cup Squad look like in 2027? Rassie and his staff have some idea.
@@Tar-ZA-nJust not manie Sacha bring back Elton if we need to😂😂
As importantly, if you were a subpa rnewish player, you could have learned that, your play needs to improve dramatically to get another chance. Some good players had bad games others seriously lacked battle stats...and some improved... but it had all the look of a scratch team. And that's what it was
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Quite a picture!
Interested in Tim’s take after next week on a TRC compared to Six Nation reflections.
Game quality, two games v one game per opponent, fan focus, all that.
Perhaps what one comp can learn from the other (if there is something)
Nice shirt from SA😊
Would love to see the Lions do a tour of Argentina
France deserves it more but it's definitely something to look at.
Obviously I don't know what feasibility studies would say and whatnot, i.e whether the men in suits would like the idea.
But right now, Argentina can literally beat any team in the world.
@@stiofain88 touring France with the Lions would miss the whole point.
@@coatknight Playing rugby against one of the three best teams in the world that is not one of the British and Irish teams?
@stiofain88 It isnt about facing one of the top sides. Exploring and experiencing a country for a few weeks is a huge part of the Lions tour. The Brits travel to France every year for the 6 nations.
Hi Tim.
Love your work.
I think the first penalty kick was the wrong thing to do. The Springboks should have continued to dominate. A kick to the corner and another maul and try would have been better. We took our foot off the gas there. The yellow card didn't help, but the penalty kick is where the Pumas were let back into the game.
I would really like you to discuss the kicking game sometime. For me, it simply hands the ball to the opposition more often than not. The Pumas love loose play. I think that's also where South Africa lost the plot last weekend.
In my humble opinion, keeping the ball, starving the opposition, especially the likes of the Pumas, is the answer. You can only score a try if you have the ball in your hands. Rugby would be so much more exciting with numerous phases of the back line.
Hi guy's, Tim your spot on with NZ they have management issues,they genuinely have a problem with 6 and 10 also with 2,6,10 bench players currently not good enough! for that last quarter of the game. Once those positions are sorted the boks will have problems against NZ. Australia on their way back but time will tell. In my opinion Rassie will be forced to take most of his 2 rwc winning veterans to 2027 rwc otherwise he will be having experience problems come 2027. Team of the weekend Argentina setting themselves new a record winning NZ, Aus and RSA in 1 Championship year! Viva Los Pumas
Lee Kiwi fan CT
Let's wait for Nelspruit.....
Tim at the tackle why do a player get a yellow or red card if the tackle contact was say on the chest and after that go on higher because of both players movement to the chin or face. What does the rule say i am sure it say where the contact was. Can you find out.
Let’s put this in perspective. South Africa have lost two games by a combined score of two points, while experimenting with selection and while experimenting with play style. What’s the problem, exactly? I mean, we’ve seen how useful an unbeaten run to the RWC actually is when you haven’t put in the work to build depth and variety.
Humble pie for my bok fans 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Respect the game
Long overdue
Been scraping through games and claiming world domination.
I am glad we lost that.
@@mvubu6823 and the arrogance that comes from us
Why can't we win and keep it classy
@@Sbu_Phakathwayoif their is arrogance it certainly is not from the Springbok squad. That one's on us Bokke fans. Rassie hates losing, but he is willing to risk losing to maintain the current trajectory to remain at or near the top of world rugby. The YC against K-LA was a turning point because it gave Los Pumas exactly the extra bit of space their game plan required (to stretch us as they did Australia). Uncharacteristically, the Boks struggled to adjust to having one less final line defender. That surely may be ascribed to leaving behind 7 key players. For example, Kolbe and De Allende with Willie Ke Roux at fullback would have been 100% better at making the adjustments. The team that was picked was attack orientated but we needed defense in those 10 14-man minutes. My 2c worth.
Well my issue I definitely not with the bok set up Rassie will correct lacklustre play I'm sure of it, however I can't over look the lack of grace I see from my fellow boks.
Just stating we need to learn humility for our beloved boks
@@tsv8664 I don't want to lose, and fully accept that we have to build depth and give players exposure.
My point is VERY much aimed at the supporters who seem to think winning by a kick doesn't stick us levels above the opposition
Don’t forget SA gets plenty of very wet slushy weather I recall well from school days all the way up the coast…its only JHB that is far dryer and harder pitch with heavy frost underfoot…the Cape is extremely wet in winter and also experiences very cold winters….besides the UK porches are arguably better drainage system ….
Was it Marx throwing or communication and syncing with the jumpers ie. Look at the combined unit?
Secondly, is Marx disadvantaged by constantly coming off the bench versus consistently starting and getting 55 to sixty minutes ie. Is the switch between roles more difficult than we think when you are used to coming off the bench - different player, but to illustrate, we see Kwagga have poor games starting and game defining performances as sub. For the record Marx is my favourite player and I would always start him
NZ not scoring in last quarter because they still see 1 - 15 as team and last 8 as reserves. Last 8 have a special role...Kwagga skills suited for the role
I'm just going to point out, SA in the "big match" world cup final they DID have yellow card, just for some reason the bunker decided to upgrade Sam Cane's to red yet not Kolisi' that was far worse but Savea shrugged it off instead of calling in a tactical medic.
Did the Irish or SA start with the tactical medics and tactical water boys flooding the pitch?
It's amusing yet frustrating seeing Kolbe on the ground "injured" with the occasional alert look around to see if it's time to jump up and be completely fine yet.
Constructive commentary