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As a semi long time listener I really appreciate how Robert continues to answer questions that he has been asked many times over with grace! Loving LOTR content! I have read the Hobbit and LOTR many times but have not attempted the Silmarillion or the unfinished tales...I am inspired to do so now. They seem more accessible thanks to your videos. Keep up the good work. We love you.
He is very patient and well mannered which makes a nice change given the state of the internet these days.
I had to try twice to get through the Silmarillion, the first little bit is difficult to get through, but if you give it a break then persevere, it's worth it! Good luck!
A gracious cameo from Dan. That made my whole year
Finally, a glimpse of Dan the dog! Usually he is off somewhere else asleep. Thanks so much for another wonderful stream.
The mystery of the king's dog.
New camera looks fantastic! Much love from The Land of Always Winter (Canada)
Is PEI skagos?
@@Mikemcintyre19 100%
Winterfell... Winnipeg... same difference
Wow, noticed the better quality immediately before even reading the comments
The room looks smaller or is it just me?
We need a "...probably...?" T-shirt.
wish I could give this like a 1,000 thumbs up definitely need a …probably shirt. LOL
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I need a "When in doubt, blame Bloodraven" shirt
Less than a minute in and there’s already a Dan the Dog sighting?!? 😻😻😻That’s how you know this stream is gonna be good. Thanks for all of your hard work! ❤️
The video quality is way better! I definitely feel the upgrade.
That's the first thing i noticed, im like, hey this looks better! Keep the awesome content coming Robert!
I think Belarion the cat will hiss at fAegon, which will be another of grrm's ways to tell us something's wrong with fAegon
Rhaegar was so vain he thought the Song was about him. 🤣
Spot on.
Since viserys and rhaelle had a lot of trouble getting another children, It wouldve been reasonable. And the tragedy along with summerhall it made sense.
That song was TOTALLY about him!
Im got Carly stuck in my head now!! 🤣
I love the theory that the dragon dreams are all targerions seeing premonitions of/ the reverberations of Danny's re-birth
robb legitimised jon so regardless of who wants who as the stark lord, jon is now a legitimate stark in the eyes of the lords who witnessed the will and who will accept it, and will be the strongest candidate as lord because he’s the eldest living “stark” it’s not like robb went “jon is now a stark and only can be viewed as a stark so long as he takes his place king in the north after me if i die”. once he’s legitimised that’s it, they can’t exactly take it back
I completely adore this kind of stuff, thank you 🍻
I suspect Egg wasn't really so much obsessed with dragons as he was with enforcing his reforms. He was challenging the status quo and his nobles didn't like it. Even his children defied him in regards to the marriages he'd arranged. He wasn't in a strong position and the dragons are the great equalizer
Love the Game of Thrones Olympic events and the peak at the lovely Dan the Dog! 🐕
Can't wait for Winds of Winter❄⛄❄⛄ 🔥🔥💥🐉🐉🐲
We’ve been patiently waiting 10 years. Through the good and the bad. It’s going to be amazing the day we can sit down and actually read it. All worth it in the end
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"Jon's eyes opened and his lungs filled with air. He could not tell how much time had passed since his brothers had plunged their knives in his body. It felt like 10 years."
@@TGJoeyT know do the rest
Fantastic transmission. Thanks Robert!
That excitement for RoP in the beginning was hilarious
Wonderful work - so appreciate your deep fund of knowledge and willingness to share it.
Dan the dog is adorable and another great stream
I think the whole king's blood thing is more to do with the belief of the spell caster than who the sacrifice happens to be related to. It gives them more confidence and the spells work better. It's the only thing that makes sense given the whole "rightful king" thing is about political and military power. Did Aegon's blood suddenly become king's blood when he conquered Westeros? Did kneeling change Torrhen Stark's blood back to regular? Did Robb's change back to king's? The Martels called themselves princes, not kings, but they had self rule a lot longer than the Greyjoys, who call themselves kings.
Varys is "the Mummer," and Aegon is his dragon. So Aegon is certainly "the Mummer's dragon," but that phrase in and of itself is not evidence that he's fake. Targaryen or Blackfyre, he would still be "the Mummer's dragon." That's exactly the sort of word game George likes to play with his writing.
Interesting take, nice
I think that what most people mean with “fake” is that he is a Blackfyre, not that he is a random pentoshi
@@GlidusFlowers I know what they mean. I'm just pointing out that the phrase "the Munmer's dragon" is not evidence of that in and of itself.
@@praetorxyn in context, it is. When Dany learns about the Mummer’s dragon, she learns she must cut down him down as she is the “Slayer of Lies”.
Also, Tyrion ( albeit not that great with guessing the age of someone) estimates Young Griff to be 14-15, he should be 18-20
Thanks!
Thanks for another great stream! Have you ever heard of The Demon Cycle series by Peter V. Brett? The first book, The Warded Man, was particularly good, and it strikes me as a story you might enjoy. Cheers!
For the Daemon and Nettles theory, what about the call out that he did not buckle his chains, one of the comparisons to Aemond.
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"g'boys" for our favourite, Dan the Dog. Thanks for everything Robert.
As always, excellent stream. New video quality looks MUCH better, mate! Well done. Loving your work; carry on, Ser.
Being immensely late to this one and seeing the live chat go crazy for the Dan cameo was a lovely treat.
Livestream idea !
The battles and wars of Westeros and beyond
I learned the word "jobsworth" today. I'm going to use this in day to day conversation now.
In Deep!!!
Robert looks so clear with this new camera, what a difference. Now if only we could get him to use his old camera as a Dan Cam.
Great stream.
My favorite part is where he stares directly at the camera for the first three seconds of the video
it makes way more sense for jon’s targaryen name given to him by his mother was likely aemon because another aegon would be way too repetitive from a reader’s perspective and boring. it made more sense for aemon because most kings named aegon had a younger brother aemon. also jon is close to maester aemon so it would be sweet if they had the same name. also aemon the dragonknight was rumoured to be having an affair with princess daenerys who was married to their brother aegon iv and it’s clear there’s going to be a romantic affair between our daenerys and jon so aemon would be a poetic name to give him. jon is also shown in flashbacks/memories to idolise aemon the dragonknight so🤷🏽♀️
Hi Robert! I don’t think the lotr series is being released next year in sept just for the post production work. But it’s bilbo and frodos birthday and that’s an homage to that special day
Came for 'Mysteries of Ice and Fire' - Stayed for 'All the rest of it'
With the Tower of Joy question; What is the Kingsguard's primaril job above all else? To protect the King. At that moment in time Aerys was dead, Rhaegar was dead, and as far as they were aware, Aegon was dead. That makes the male infant they are guarding their king and therefore will not part with him to the Usurpers best buddy.
Before the show confirmed it, I took this as confirmation that Jon wasnt just Rhaegar's child but also legitmate, as he would not be their king unless he was legitmate and therefore the secret marriage would have to have happened.
I believe that that Dany's vision of a stone beast taking wing from a burning tower is about Shireen spreading greyscale from Dragonstone, because the castle is fashioned like a gigantic group of stone dragons and it was early enough that Jon Connington might not have been conceived of as the major vector of greyscale instead.
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Hope all is well across the pond. These live streams help me forget if only for a bit the bullshit going on in the world. Starting to take our freedoms in the states. No bullshit on that but watching these live streams and other vids on ur channel help me forget about that for a while. Thank u.
The red door and the lemon tree also intrigues me. Lemon trees can't grow in Braavos naturally as it is right up against the Shivering Sea. So could this red door have lead into some sort of warm greenhouse? Mimicking something like The Crystal Palace in London. Yes, I know that Albert's Victorian vision, so not medieval but some kind of glass house would have been needed.
Winterfell also has “glass gardens” to grow food in the snow
@@GlidusFlowers But Winterfell also has underground hot springs or suchlike. It doesn't get as cold there as other places. You are right they can grow food there.
@@Hochspitz ah of course! Simply forgot for some reason, thanks :)
Alas, the first part of this about Rings of Power didn’t age well 🤣 not your fault, of course. But I love how you said they made changes to try and “make sure everything was perfect”.
My biggest worry is what was the show like before the changes? 😅
Love your work.
"A great stone beast takes wing from a smoking tower, breathing shadows" is almost certainly Euron Greyjoy. He sits the Sea-Stone chair (great stone beast), he's on his way to destroy Old Town (after which the tower of Old Town would be left a smoking ruin,) and he's a purveyor of blood magic, which is often associated with shadows. He's also got a plan to steal at least one of Dany's dragons, which could also tie into the "beast" "taking wing" AND "breathing shadows" (fire.)
Those three visions all being in a row are because they're her primary rivals for the rule of Westeros. Stannis, Faegon, and Euron, in order of how serious a threat they are.
I think the thing that throws people off on that particular prophecy is that Euron seems to be mentioned again, 2 visions later, as the "corpse standing at the prow of a ship with bright eyes and grey smiling lips." That's pretty clearly Euron as well. As for why he'd be in two prophecies....I can only assume Dany's going to have to confront him twice. Once as a man....and once again after he uses the blood magic ritual that originally created the Others (which he'll find in Old Town) and becomes a second Night's King. That's my theory, anyways.
The main competing theory, which you mentioned, is that it's Jon Connington, who has greyscale and who's house sigil is a winged beast. Purely guessing at this point, but given Connington's role in the story as basically a tragic figure....Dany's eventual defeat of Faegon might be due to Connington giving Faegon Greyscale....which a true Targ would be immune to, giving Dany the proof she needs that he's a fraud.
I feel like making it do there are questions that are not going to get answers makes the world feel more real. There are a lot of things about this world we don't know and it feels right for that to hold true in a world that the author has put a great deal of work into making it feel real in other ways
Can’t believe I’m not the only one who has thought about Malora Hightower as the woman with the pale white fire next to euron.
Not that I think that’s where George will go, but with the Hightower’s sneakiness & connections to magic, there’s a pairing with Euron that feels really natural too me...even if it’s purely temporary for both sides & each is planning on replacing the other ASAP.
Euron getting his easy conquest of the reach to sate the IB desire for plunder + help in stealing a dragon from a magic family that has tried to get dragons before.
The Hightower’s saving Oldtown from destruction after Euron devastates the redwyne fleet...and maybe even getting their blood on the throne next to a dragon rider again.
The preparations could be to ensure they have a negotiating position with Euron other than ‘we know magic’...which didn’t do much for the Warlocks. We know that real world Vikings who would basically pull up to a city/town, assess it’s defenses, and then decide whether they had come to raid or trade.
That could be what the Hightower’s are thinking here; if they look like they would be a nuisance that delayed Euron’s plans, that would let them negotiate an end to the siege via a marriage (rock or salt) & help stealing a dragon.
I think the letter from dorn consisted of Rheaneys last words along with the location of something left for him at dragonstone in order to verify or something she wanted him to have...
possible question for a future video: Why did the Wraiths keep slavishly following Sauron even after Sauron lost the One Ring that ruled them all - even though the Elves could use their rings now without any influence from Sauron?
How much time passed between the tourney at harrenhal and the start of Roberts rebellion?
Omg i am watching a live. Love your take on things but miss your regular videos without being live.
Big Dan Dan here!! Where does Dan fall on the Aegon/Faegon controversy?
Given past examples in the Targaryen bloodline of prophetic dreams, how many Targaryens from later generations convinced themselves that their dreams were prophetic and took actions when it was just dreams they wanted to be prophetic?
Perhaps the dreams were prophetic. It’s a pretty popular theory that the post-dance-of-dragons Targaryens dreamt of Dany, and assumed the dream was about them selves
The fact that the show did absolutely nothing with John's true heritage is one of the biggest wtf?? That was one of the most exciting discoveries ever!
Even tho Lot of ppl guessed it sooner, it should've had more importance besides Dannies overly fast downfall into madness. Gahh it still stings!
Robert, with the black cat, you said, when in doubt, blame Blood Raven lol.
1.Who killed maegor the cruel?
2.What really happened between ser criston cole and rhaenyra?Real face of this kingmaker(He shed the first blood of dance,he was furious after rhaenyra’s marriage and kill laenor’s lover.. I do think he was spurned)
3.Who killed helaena targaryen?(I think that was Larys clubfoot to defeat rhaenyra inside the city walls by false propaganda)
4.Who killed lyonel ans harwin strongs?( After that otto hightower became the hand again, I think greens were behind this, because they wood need otto when the time came)
Can’t wait for this!!!!
at 2 hours 11 minutes you state that Dragons do indeed die of old age. Is this known for certain because the only dragon I'm aware has been suggested to have died of old age Is Balerion, which if it was found to be that he died of other causes would mean we know of no dragons to die of old age.
Could have cried when Robert made the joke about Tommen doing the high jump 😭😭😭
That was a great Tommen joke! 😂
DAN CAMEO, WOOOO
To be fair to Aerys II, I doubt any of us would be in a great mental state if we were held in a dungeon for a year.
I mean how long was Jamie locked up must have been nearly a year
@@jacobrobb5391 aerys was unstable before duskendale and jaime was a high value prisoner kept and fed well but aerys was tortured in ways nobody even knows straight for a year
OH wow High Jump Tommen that was a good one right there I was thinking Bran but Tommen is so much better
Much love from hell/Texas
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I don't think the Hightowers are currently in league with Euron but I do suspect they'll end up joining forces with him. Probably after he wins his eminent sea battle.
The reason Benjin Stark joined the Watch was that HE KNEW what was going on between Ragar and Leana. He even aided Leana in her exploits. If Robert ever found out about that, Benjin's life and the lives of the entire Stark clan would not have been worth pig spit. If not Robert, Tyrell Lanister and/or Circe certainly would have.
The cat may have memories that arya will see
A tech upgrade and an animal companion cameo.
Soundwave and Ravage would approve
So what you're saying is the Blackwoods and the Brackens are "Two households both alike in dignity" ?
Eric would actually be 12.5 % Targ
Was the best way to survive as a Targaryen to ally yourself with Bloodraven, after his birth? Barely any did this, but hypothetically, would that have been the best route to survival?
Having a giggle that Targ "madness" is because they get clucky
That camera is working fabulously. Even in 240p, the picture quality is brilliant.
Reverence is probably a better word for the feelings the free folk had for the rangers.
Ok, hot take here, but aegons septer is taine the sandsnake’s mother, which means Oberon was aware of aegon in all likelihood even if doren was not. The house with the red door and the lemon trees are likely some allusion to lemonwood(weakest part of the chain here). Since oberyn shared everything with his paramour, shouldn’t she know the veracity of aegons claim? Seems oberyns whole life was spent plotting revenge, so it only follows that he was likely tied up with Varys and allerio. I wonder who else this might indicate involved in these plots.
Is Sansa a warg? Did Ned killing Lady stop her having the same powers as her siblings or has she just not discovered them yet?
I don't believe Sansa was smart enough or "Stark" enough to warg. A Tully through and through.
Mine is, why is dany totally immune to fire damage? No other Targarian has this ability. Is it a sign of the return of magic to the world? Is she more dragon than man?
He's Adar in the Rings of Power 😱😎
How the series ends, I think we're going to find out Daenerys' and/or Jon's tax policy is.
The Targarian "Madness" IMO is mostly brought about by their frustration of having no Dragons to re-establish themselves as the main players and allow them(think Egg!) to implement changes and dominance of the realm, take "The Mad king" for instance, he was totally right when he thought there was a conspiracy to remove him and knew also that Rheagar was involved so he's paranoia was justified,, as for some Targs drinking Wildfire! I see this as a desperate inner will to "Awaken the Dragon" in them as they require a dragon to help them become more than just another normal house, and also aswell who knows what the Maesters or the Pyromancers were whispering in their ears coz if they were to die they would be labeled "Mad" and were it to work they would be powerful again and indebted to them so win win!!
Wow listening to this year's later it's wild how many thing you've just absolutely nailed. Awesome predictions.
DAN!!!!
Tyrion would be a Targaryan bastard no? Which means he would be Tyrion Blackfyre right? Could be wrong just asking
Targaryen bastards are not automatically called blackfyres. The blackfyre house originated from Aegon the Unworthy legitimizing all of his bastards before he died. Daemon decided to choose the cadet house name of Blackfyre after the Targaryen Valyrian steel sword Blackfyre which he owned at the time.
@@victorgibelli6871 is 100% correct. He would either be Tyrion Hill or Tyrion Waters (if he was born in the Westerlands or the Riverlands (includes King’s landing) respectively)
He wouldn't have been classed as a bastard. His mother was married. Have you never heard of " mommas baby papas maybe "?
from the way this so called aegon acted and is present in a dance with dragons shows that he’s immature, spoilt and easily manipulated so i doubt he’d make a good king.
So he's like every other 14 year old that ever lived!
@@feral7523 when you take into consideration robb, jon and dany who are leaders he falls short
@@heaven9926 were leaders,as two are dead and one is a prisoner
@@heaven9926 I wouldn't call Dany much of a great leader. She struggles a lot with bad decisions, but she has dragons, so there's not much anyone can do about it. Other than to try to make her feel guilty after the fact. We see this with every big decision she's made after hatching the dragons.
Dan the dog!!
I want to know if Dylan buzzbe(sp?) ever published his children’s book!
1:29:43 Tommen Daley
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Not really a mystery per say, and we'll definitely find out by the end of the books, but who does everyone think will get The Dreadfort when all the Bolton's are wiped of the face of Planetos?
Rhaenys had Martell look and Aerys said her and Aegon not real dragons.
Dan the Dog is a good boi
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Why didn't Ned tell Cat about Jon??!!
Did Amon know the truth about Jon?
How does a fictional story create such an amazing community pooled together under a white tree with red leaves...lol
OR a black tree with blue leaves on the other side of the pool... lol
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Too soon!
I think Aerys really only went downhill after duskendale, even if he had signs before
,,, ' Blut ist ein ganz besond'rer Saft! " gOethe ... so,, perhaps even One Drop might make ... difference ...
Man that excited intro about rings of power didn't age well lmao. This show sucks
Weren’t all of us fantasy fans obsessed with dragons at one point or another?
New camera, who dis?
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1:13:20 ... a biological imperative
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