1st LOOK at Waldorf's KYRA Synthesizer!
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Look and listen to the not-yet available Waldorf KYRA - an amazing digital synthesizer that will be available mid 2019 and provide128 voices of polyphony (regardless of effects or OSC settings) from an incredible FGPA (Field-Programmable Gate Array) processor (a first for a synthesizer). Watch, listen and get on the waiting list to own one!
Wow that's an interesting style of furniture placement! 😄
It's a cool place to hang out.
My Lord this thing sounds absolutely fantastic!!! Brilliant demo!
I'm convinced no matter what synth you get your hands on, you will find and pull the goodness out of it hahahaha, good vid bro!
Wow, that's one phat sound in that Kyra. Omnisphere huge. =) That resonating filter really screamed and breathed fresh air into the room!
Glad to see the KYRA coming along nicely. I was disappointed by the NAMM showing but this definitely brought it back to my attention!
What a great sounding synthesizer.
Incredible to see you pop up loving the Waldorf Kyra sound and function. I respect your opinion on this synth with your years of sound design work for the most successful products and companies. Looks like a perfect 2021 external gear purchase for my workflow. 8 part multi timbral, 8 individual effect chains per part, 4 stereo outs, easy intuitive knob per function with LCD screen feedback that follows moves, 128 voices (wow), with up to 32 voices per part. A lot of synth here taking a load off of your DAW running plugins. Faster and more convenient with knobs and no mouse clicks. Just a powerhouse of a desktop synth. Thanks Skippy!
Yes my brother!!!
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I could not miss this, one of the coolest sound designers in the world with the future gem of the synthesizers world.
First Demo that shows off the bass of the KYRA. Gorgeous Sound!!!!!
Also, someone who actually understands the purpose of oversampling.
it sounds fantastic
This will give the Access Virus, Prophet 6 and OB6 serious competition! Love it.
This plastic sounding thin can can and will never compete with any of those synths. You must be tone deaf to make such a ridiculous statement.
@@gravyguns it’s subjective, I own thy Kyra. It sounds definitely not „plastic“. Among my analog gear it holds up very well
awesome meeting you man!!
I'm so getting one of these, cant wait!
I was very intrigued when it first appeared last year, demo'd by the charismatic designer. Delighted it meets your approval. I hope they get you to create some patches along the lines of your Omnisphere ones. Multis in particular!
I called Sweetwater today to make sure that I was on the preorder list. Dave Snow, Sales Engineer, confirmed I could get one. If you are interested in the first round, get in now :-). BTW, he also said that because it's going to be released as Special Order, perhaps only initially, that returns will have to be handled with Waldorf directly. Not sure that's a big deal but good to know.
really love everything about this synth!!!
me too! that and an Access Virus, Waldorf Quantum and Ashun Hydra would be soo fun! Add in Moog One and go to town.
Renaissance Man sounds like a dream
Looking forward to this synth. Been waiting for two years now.
I will be getting this synth, fat or thin and very unique. Thank you for the video.
Boy that resonant filter felt like a rocket falling!!
I got to play this at NAMM and was blown away by the sound quality. I loved the low end on this thing. After playing this, every synth I played after was just meh.
I've been wondering about the low end on this. Every demo I've seen has left me wondering... where's the bass? It seems fantastic at pads and plucks and atmospheric tones, but the bass has been pretty underwhelming.
So it's encouraging to hear that the bass is good in person. I've been wanting an all-in-one synth like this for a long time, but so far it seems like there hasn't been anything better than an old Virus yet. Maybe the Kyra will finally change that.
Even the virus TI?
@@luisfinch3586 The TI never had particularly good low end especially compared to an analogue synth like a sub 37.
Nice review John, makes me want to buy a Kyra, those first few patches sounded almost MOOG-like ... I don't know why more manufacturers don't get you to review their gear ... they should!
Maybe it’s because his name is PLUGINguru... Just kidding, I agree. Nice demo!
This is huge on my radar!! Cool to see you made video about it, in a sense its also pretty omnisphereish boasting 8 parts multitimbral. What i was wondering from namm video there was some filter stepping kind of sound. Hope i was wrong about that. Because i like to get crazy with em knobbies 😁
Never mind, sounds great! 😥 my wallet..
The stepping on the filter control has been fixed. The NAMM unit used very early firmware.
@@manuelcaballero1228 awesome! Wouldnt expect that they would have let such big issue out to the masses. Who doesnt play around with cutoff lol, knobs are there to play with 😄
Definitely a perfect pad machine, for any thing else it just doesn't has enough bite.
Have you played it?
yes at musik messe 2018@@XanderEwald
That's my concern too. I haven't seen any demos where it has any bass or grit. Mostly just high clean sounds with lots of reverb and a phaser or something. So I'm hoping it sounds better than the demos so far.
I was not pleased with the Blofeld, but this unit has me intrigued. It sounds much richer.
nicely demoed! i’m sold.
Very good I think a chain bank of effects would be a load of inspiration
wow. best demo vid so far. thanks.
finally we could hear some bass and other sonic aspects covered too.
I think this is not the first synth with FGPA processor though. PEAK also has it.
I think their point is that Kyra is completely FPGA based where as the Peak has some Analog goodness, which I love. Can't wait for this one.
@@SteveMayzak Ahh ok It's clear now. Yeah can not wait for this beauty
@@SteveMayzak - Neither the Peak or this instrument are the first to use FGPA processors but Kyra is the 1st fully programmable instrument released that is 100% created this way, AFAIK.
nice layout the ui is special.
I dig it. Will likely buy at some point...
Great sounds def a majestic level
awesome sound!
I love the white faceplate and knobs. Good review. Is it OK to record from a keyboard through the headphone jack? Thanks🙂🙂🙂🙂
Why does this sound so much more interesting, fuller, deeper and more eclectic than the $5000 Moog One? And if the initial price point is around $2000, I am sure that Waldorf will have 2 synths (Quantum) that will keep their company's coffers topped off nicely for a few years to come. Interestingly, almost every sound he went through, had some quality in it that made it unique - something that separated it from the incredibly boring "brass, bass, keys, strings" that other companies still tout when they drag out a new synth. Thx Waldorf...
are you joking man ? Kyra is really good synth but ONE is different beast
@@locoluciano6745 Lol, well Luciano, you were spared a long diatribe about synthesis and the history of Moog and the ladder filter and Oscillators for one reason. A power glitch rebooted my computer and I lost about 2 paragraphs worth of crap. So the abridged version is: Depending on what your goal is, your view of how good a synth is will change. I have been using analog and digital synths since 1984 and, for me, I am so tired of brass, piano, flute and string - simply because I have heard it thousands of times. My purpose of making music is to let the listeners hear some sounds that they have never heard of before. If you are an 80's cover band or your style of music likes to have that 70's and/or 80's sound of typical analog synth - then cool. Drop $6000 on the One. But that's not for me. I build my own unusual Reaktor synths that make such unusual sounds that spark my creativity and that's what I look for in a synth. The Waldorf Quantum and hopefully the Kyra seems to push those boundaries. I certainly pushed my Virus TI2 so hard that the Oscillators give up at the far reaches of the keyboard range. Even the diminutive Arturia Microfreak seems to have a lot of flexibility in its Oscillators where you can buy a couple of them and pull on your Mad Scientist hat and be lost for a few months. So you see, just saying that the One is a "beast", is just one look down one alley. There is a whole city to explore and that's usually where my eyes wander to...and no, I am not joking ;~}
@@Alesismmt8 ok man , I'm respect your theory , but I have one question - are you musician or nerd sound designer ? and is it important for you to have warmer sound ? why you not using Serum for example or fm8? is your music playing on the radio and maybe you making money on Beatport or got thousands likes on youtube ? can you imagine what sounds you can make with Moog One with 49 OSC lol and Eventide FX ? I can't tell you so many smart words and I'm not strong person in synth history but for me the most important sing is quality of sound , the fatness , the character . I can agree that Moog is still MOOG , but its the ELITE STANDARD of sound and with ONE its limitless possibility to make something unique raw and fat . and thats why in my city was only 1 MOOG ONE and next one be in October lol . I'm also fan of Analog Four sound , Modal 008, Novation Peak....and really my opinion is that LIMITS are more important for making music than if you not have one lol . Remember The Prodigy (RIP Flint) they was making music that runs the World in the Era of Limits , and I even dot know the names of that people who spending time trying hard
Love you long time, Skippy!
3:50 = Big Trouble In Little China , I can almost pinpoint the scene with that exact sound. "80's Carpenter Crunch" lives up to it's name
and now I want one.
This is a dual surround synthesizer. WHY OH WHY did Waldorf not market this feature?
this is coming out in june? SHIT, i'm still waiting for the quantum to be available in the U.S.!
I ended up getting on on Reverb.com. They had 4 last week. Mine should arrive today.
Waldorf seem to be competing with themselves now (09 - 2020) with this and the Iridium. The Iridium costs only a few hundred more but I feel more drawn to it because of the crazy oscillators.
Is there a proper category manager for presets? I find it very important to browse presets by category or mood or style. With hundreds of patches it seems ridiculous to browse these by bank and program number only.
Top Right of the Patch display window shows the current category and of course you can browse by category. That's pretty common on anything that isn't trying to be a 30+ year old analog synth.
I want the Access Virus and Novation Peak to have a baby... basically like having a dozen Peaks in one box. And it looks like this might be just about right. It certainly has the multi-timbral many-voices aspect down. I just can't tell yet whether its sonic palette is as versatile and as good-sounding as the Peak.
We'll have to wait till June when it's finally out to know for sure - I wish I would have had more time to get deeper into the engine - but from what I heard I really liked!
This demo is the best I've seen so far. It gives me hope! Of course, it doesn't make the waiting any easier... :)
09-19-2019 and no news about Kyra :(
Its now out.
first patch sounds exactly like my Ultranova.
I thought the same the waves on this synth actually have more than 16 harmonics to them! I love how flexible my UN is and it can be tweaked to get some amazing sounds but it's oscillators + filters are awful
The big question for me is will this have Vst DAW integration
It is fully USB Audio Class 2.0 compliant - for MIDI and 8 parts of 24 bit 96kHz audio.
@Hardlee Theyer Not just MIDI, audio too. Kyra appears as 8 synths in your DAW. An integrated Editor is in the works too.
Please show us more bass sounds possible with this! :)
If I had a Kyra I'd be happy to!! But I only had a couple of days in Germany with this instrument last year.
So the synth's audio mutes out the guy's ramblings - Excellent!
Cute!
how can it be a first when so many other synths using FPGAs for quite a while, Novation Peak, Shapeshifter eurorack module, Fairlight II reissue to name a view...
elektronengehirn Well they weren’t completely FPGA Powered. This one is.
It has 2 oscillator groups for one thing, where most have 1 - 3 single oscillators, LFO parameters and couple of other things are secondary functions on the front panel reducing a lot of menu diving, all the important controls live on the front panel, the rest in menus. It’s layout is practical and make sense when you look at it closely.
FPGA is apparently handling mostly the effects section etc.
Haha 5 Kyras available worldwide. That is 5 more then available Quantums. I ordered mine mid december, still waiting, 5th new delivery date. Waldorf should make their homework before teasing new products.
What's it gonna cost $$? Is it a wavetable synth or does it "just" work with (analog modeled) oscillators?
It's wavetable and nearly 2 grand. Still not released
Every single Preset sounded like being processed through something like a phaser or so.... strange
yeah.. Might be because of the youtube compression.
Yea I've noticed that. Also sounds like all the patches have a lot of verb w/no predelay, there's this distant hollow quality to it. It's kind of interesting but someone should do a demo w/drier fx settings
Surely Waldorf s version of what a Virus Ti3 Desktop would be?
That was his idea, from my understanding. Where a Virus would go next, but it's not a Virus, it's a unique instrument with it's own voice :D
A Virus would have had stereo inputs
Sounds like my old Alesis QS 6.1 . That filter good , you play very wet !
LOL - I'm playing the patches the unit contained. I won't even call these factory because they might change between now and June. Please - base your TRUE opinion after playing this in person or at least wait to hear the factory patches once it's officially released. You must have a super special QS 6.1 - I don't remember it ever sounding like this does.
@@PlugInGuruVideo I plug my laptop into my stereo Mackie PA with subs . Sounds as stated . My Grandmother and Sub37 is pure without the price tag !
@@rareform6747 - Good for you, Friend. Cheers
Looks like a Fantastic Synth.... I too am curious what the price range will be. Have fun in Germany.
my guess - $2,399
Lemón deRangello - In that price is out of the market at this time. My toughts is less than 2k.
@@MrSergit - I have heard under 2,000 Euros so it's probably under 2,000 USD. But that's a guess. Wait to hear officially from Waldorf.
@@PlugInGuruVideo - Yeah! Let's see!.. Have fun in Germany ;)
Lemón deRangello seems a bit overpriced because a Novation Peak is a more complex instrument, it uses FPGA and a full Analog VCA,distortion circuit and Filter. This instrument is just FPGA no Analog path so it should have a lower BOM. 2400 is steep for a VA.
Do you know if it’s of a size that it will fit in a 19” rack. I’ve not seen anything about rack ears being available. I tend to make my own cabinets out of MDF, and would happily construct something to hold it alongside my other rack mount boxes. But I’ve not seen any dimensions. Thanks for the demo.
It looks to be around 19" in width but I didn't measure it when playing it.... I'd be surprised if it was not.
@@PlugInGuruVideo It does look to be around the same size as my Korg MS2000BR which I plan to replace with the Kyra. It would be frustrating if it was slightly off! There does seem to be a trend of 'desktop' synths that look as if they ought to rack mount but don't: Peak, Prophet-6, OB-6 et al. I don't understand it.
@@SeenfromSpace Good friend, I have a Novation peak and with the rack accessory option, it will fit a standard 19" rack easily. :D
@@PlugInGuruVideo Ah OK. I read a review of the Peak saying it isn't rack mountable. Thanks for clarifying. Let's hope Waldorf do the same.
me likes. me just cannot afford ;-)
Sold!
Weird processed sound ? Every patch sounds like it's hanging in space a bit like the furniture.
Maybe it's my laptop speakers.
Celtic Progeny They mixed audio from the synth plus the microphone with a gate ducking the audio - not ideal but you still hear the potential... 😊
Question it seems to be lacking quite a bit in harmonics, also sounds like some of the mids and the tops are rolled off by about 6db. What is this instrument plugged into and what was the recording chain, It cant sound like this as a release product. Only thing I can thing is the recording chain has issues and the instrument sounds better if properly recorded and mastered for release.
I am not sure of your listening environment but assure you it is not lacking in high frequency detail. Please play this for yourself when it is available. I have (and LOVE) my Novation Peak synthesizer and asssure you, this is NOT a 8-voice mono timbral Novation Peak.
Dont understand why Waldorf didn’t choose infinite rotary knobs for this synth?
exactly what I thought, their blofeld knobs are so cool.
Mein Gott it's Like oh man god soo goood
John, do you have a patch library in the works for this synth?
I do not - because a) Other than this brief encounter in Germany, I have not seen or played one of these and b) I have my own plug-in I'm working hard that comes out in early January of this year!
Moog One looking a bit lonely back there haha. "One is the loneliest number..."
Not a huge fan of its form-factor, as has been frequently said, it really does look like it belongs in a hospital ward BUT my goodness how awesome it sounds and its fantastic feature set!!!!!!!! Id better start saving now :)
Who cares how it looks it sounds great and with lots of control knobs, and like the Behringer modules people will probably come up with overlays.
It’s using FPGA, does that mean it‘s synth engine(s) can be exchanged by loading additional soft/firmware?
Yes, if the development is continued to provide more of it, just as can be done with DSPs or plain old CPUs. However, this synth's features/engine-style, i.e. straightforward and powerful VA, is pretty much locked in to the user interface - it will most likely remain what it is.
or buy Omnisphere and and use it with a cheap synth that is in the hardware integration list and you'll have much more with much less money :)
Does Omnisphere come with a free laptop these days or how is this cheaper? 🤔
if you don't have a computer then you are ok with a harpsichord, no need for a 2000 euro synth
Whats that one behind you there please
Nice! In which price category will this synth be sold?
Another question: Did you already had the chance to play on a Moog One?
I think I've seen 2000 euro banded around, though hopefully less.
msrp $1800
FRONT:MAN:242 is it really 1800 that sounds much more reasonable.
So this would be Valkyrie ?
Yes
I Really need a synth stand like the One the kyra is placed on! I cant find One. Can anybody help me Please? Thanks.😊
Hi Tobias, the stand used is www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_laptopstand_dock_white.htm?ref=intl&shp=eyJjb3VudHJ5IjoiZ2IiLCJjdXJyZW5jeSI6IjIiLCJsYW5ndWFnZSI6ImVuIn0%3D.
@@manuelcaballero1228 thanks alot :)
All
I need to
Know is is it better then serum
It's DIFFERENT then Serum. One can not do what the other does. :D
Ohstirfry Is a boat better then a car? Only if you plan to travel on water.
Dacci Pucci stupid analogy wavetable vs wavetable, more like is this car different then the other car. One has knobs and less modulation capabilities is all I am getting from the kyra videos
@@ohstirfry Kyra is not wavetable based - it is dsp synthesis based. Big difference and the sound proves it. Also, try playing massive chords with Serum and see how long before your computer is crying for mercy. This is hardware that will do 128 true voices with zero taxation to your computer. So yea, Boat and Car is a pretty appropriate analogy.
I play large spread out 7 add 9 13 chords all the time see no issues with serum on my Mac. But how is digital signal processing going to change how the wavetables in kyra sound over any of the current wave table synths out there? Steve could make serum in the same hardware box could he not.?
Hard to hear what it really sounds like because of all of the reverb on those patches.
You seem to really confused about what the synthesizer is and what it is for.
Is the kyra a kind of Quantum in rack format?
Not at all. They are totally different developements by different people. Its based on the °Valkyrie" by Manuel Caballero.
No the Quantum is a whole different instrument, I would say the better instrument.
The filter sounds good though not analogic.
@09:06 👌🏻
Hey John, thank you so much for this review! I'm looking to buy a hardware synth with many voices and multi-timbral parts for DnB and Dubstep like sounds. I was looking at the Virus TI2, but the Kyra seems to have a more voices, which I really like. The pads also sound very nice. But do you think that the Kyra can get into the evil-dirtyness growly ballpark that the Virus can? I understood that the wavetables are no true 2D wavetables in the sense that they would allow LFO-scanning, correct?
you you know release date ?
Today 👍
something new on that synth?...
Alejandro Suazo it’s now supposed to be available, I got an email from Waldorf where they state that the first batch of units has been shipped. Hoping to get mine soon, this Synth is sick!
Kyra is very promising. The reverb on some patches is ok for me.
TSR is finally useful for something for the ordinary people. ;-)
Dude, get some contractors in there to resurface the walls.
Wait, you don't like seeing 9,000.00 worth of synth gear hanging out behind me in a cute-but-quaint-mid-30's-German-house-in-the-small-village-of-Treppendorf ??? :D
Can it handle MPE?
No MPE right now. Maybe in the future. The MPE spec wasn't finalised until late in the development phase.
@@manuelcaballero1228 *Why only 8 part multitimbral though? Why not 16 like the blofeld and virus? I need to play different patches on ALL 16 midi channels: my use case is live performance and I want to play all 16 channels with 1 synth.*
I don't think I'll ever buy another Waldorf synth unless they make something like the Q series.
and no STVC to be seen
I want the STVC sooo badly!!!! I've been waiting, too!!
@@SynthgodXXX 😫 at this point it's still vaporware. I don't get why a company reveals an instrument with no intention of releasing. Thomann has it listed ever since Namm of last year
OH WOW !!! Stuff that I can already do on my Alesis Micron or AKAI Miniak.
You need 16 Microns to give you 128 voices of true polyphony friend... good luck to ya.
All these presets are somewhat boring, heard them many times in other synths... also, resonance goes into distortion at certain points in a bad way.
Yes,i heard it before in my plug-ins synths.Ok it sound good,but nothing new sounds to buy it.
I. Balazs I agree I dont hear anything that makes this worth 2400. They are trying to push the instrument hard via social media but in the end what will sell the instrument is Great sound and Genuine word of mouth not what influencers are trying to hype. If the sound falls flat nothing will save it.
Sound design...
I dunno.. It seems to sound like a generic vst to me. A bit thin and a bit harsh at times even. Color me unconvinced.
Did you listen to your laptop or phone??? haha
@@mynet1982 lol no.. I listened on dynaudio monitors :)
@@payt01 Dynaudio is great (had them before, Presonus Sceptre now!)
Time to go the ear dr then ;)
mynet1982 I heard it on a pair of Genelec 6341s in a treated studio room. It sounds thin and boring. So disappointed I was excited for this new instrument.
@@videosuperhighway7655 It was not the fattest sound I've heard :D But I wouldn't call it thin? For me it's more then over "normal" thickness! But I think it's good progress for this kind of synth!
Such an amazing sounding (and looking!) synth, but why did you choose such an ugly environment to shoot the video...?
I'm in a very old building that has 3 4K video studios set up by Thomann Music for a rather unique event (I'm in Berlin now until tomorrow, sadly). I'd like to think of this environment as UNIQUE more than ugly but to each their own opinion :D
Waldorf needs to get their shit together and stop producing fucking toys. they need to get back to their roots of real wavetable and analog and not one virtual crap after another. their quality has gone to hell. they should take that made in Germany and put made in china at least.
Its hard to believe that is totally analogue. Doesn't sound like it...
Obviously, several stages of the signal are at least digitally controlled. Effects layers sound digital.
Kaleb Smith it’s a digital synth!
Sounds great but looks like a joke.
Better than the other way round 👍
Sounds thin
Alex Jones i bet, if you would think this has analog osc‘s, you wouldn’t mention that!
Omnisphere sounds better than this crap
I'm more than convinced that these manufacturers only give out their synths to be demoed under the condition that the synth gets an excellent review. What makes me convinced? Because the sound of the Kyra is cheap and plastic like a $200 Casio, and you dear to call this an amazing synth. Come on, get real. It sucks.
You're more than welcome to your opinion. I loved how this sounded when I played with it 8 months ago. I'm pretty sure it's only gotten better since then but hey, I've only done voicing on like 40 synthesizers since 1988.... what do I know? Good luck to you.