THANK YOU for bringing this issue to more people mate! It's absolutely worth fighting for and I'm glad to have you (and hopefully your fans) on board. 💚 WE WANT 16
international rugby league will never grow period. its dead in England because the working class there has decided soccer is the only team sport they care about. Don't put it on the NRL or Australia that the rest of the world has abandoned the sport for the juggernaut of the soccer World Cup.
Love League but I live in the USA and I can tell you that Rugby League in the Midwest is almost none existent. Union on the other hand is starting to gain ground. A lot of that is due to the work union has put in to preparing the USA for hosting the 2031 world cup. They created a domestic league and a specific team to develop USA players. The promotion for the rugby Sevens here is growing. the popularity of Ilona Maher and the success of the women's team in the Olympics is huge. There is a local youth club in Chicago (where I live) that just got a new indoor and outdoor ground and kids are starting to sign up for it. The All Blacks have been doing tours and youth camps for years and when I talk to people about rugby (league or union) 9/10 will respond "oh yeah like the all blacks" They sold out Soldier Field when they played the USA, 60,000 people showed up. The NRL game sold about 40,000 tickets in a stadium that holds 65,000. If League is going to grow in the US market they have a lot more work to do then showing up in Vegas and putting on some games to collect gambling money. Most Americans had no idea it was going on. To be honest most Americans dont really have an interest in watching unless they feel invested. There's basketball, baseball, foot ball, hockey and soccer and Union is starting to make a dent in the market, if you want to sell your sport League is going to have to work on markets outside of the NRL. That means investing in international Rugby League.
League is non existent everywhere in the USA. As it is in most nations that aren’t two states of Australia, Northern England, Southern France and Auckland NZ.
@@elijahtchilembe-mpovie2715 Well I can because it can’t possible be even a proper competition let alone a professional one. Just a strange fringe social scene…
@@danieleyre8913 Not necessarily, I played in it. American RL has been amateur-semi pro. In 2014, after the split, it was mainly east coast, now its included west coast teams. We play in the summer which works perfectly. 8 games plus preseason and finals get us at least 11-12 games. I think issue is just doing more to market the sport better.
@@elijahtchilembe-mpovie2715 Rugby league is a fringe sport in the USA. An insignificant fraction of Americans have heard of it. And that will never change.
Once the admin and players take it seriously, so will the fans. Last world cup we had players with drawing so they could attend friends weddings or so they could have a full pre season to concentrate on thier club. Could you imagine that happening in any other sport ?
Happens in Basketball and hockey too. It’s not just that International RL is shit, it’s also that one country and league is completely dominant. The NRL is RL’s NBA/NHL. If you are the best player in the NRL, you are the best player in the world. If you win NRL premierships and Origin series, you have nothing left to prove.
I grew up watching league in the 90's and the international game was great then. I'm remembering many 3 match series' between the Kiwi's and Kangaroo's in June/July, you know, when people ACTUALLY care, not the latter half of spring when everyone's switched off and players who have had long seasons opt out. We had a Lions tour in 1992, and they played NRL teams mid week, then came over here to New Zealand for a 2 match series (it was an epic series believe me). The game won't grow until emphasis and passion that is put into State or Origin is given to the International game.
I remember being a teenager in NZ in the 1990s. We must’ve lived within different circles, because I only remember league being seen as a joke. And especially the international “tests”. It was always one-sided and in one test (in dumpy Palmerston North) the match ball got stolen.
League will never get out of Oceania while Union will continue to grow internationally. Funny how the amateur oriented game will beat the money oriented game.
@@cheloxmv why would I care, why are you telling me this, it has nothing to do with what I said. I said, if you don't want to watch something then don't, and you decide, I'll tell this guy how union is gonna be bigger, like mate tell my why I'd care what others enjoy, as my previous comment stated if you don't like don't watch.
You had guys like Luke Keary representing us with his dad being Irish, it probably means a lot to these guys not being picked for Oz/Nz to represent their family heritage.
Well said. It is amazing how these Aussie league-ies are so alienated from reality and the wider world. And they don’t fathom just what a nothing sport league is in the bigger picture. Now I’m not saying that they should give up on their game (as much as it’s not my cup of tea). But just that they have no perspective on the wider world. It’s really not very big at all in England, it’s only played in the old coal belt and it’s slowly dying out (to association football, not Union). In New Zealand it’s really only big in South Auckland, West Auckland and among gang Māoris. And it’s played among some communities in southern France, where it is also dying out like in England. And there’s Papua New Guinea, the Cook Islands, and a lot of other insignificant pacific Islands. It has almost NO presence in Wales, Ireland nor Scotland. And as good as none in continental Europe beyond southern France. Almost none in South Africa nor the rest of the African continent. None in the Americas. And none in Asia. It’s only big time in two Australian states. And Papua New Guinea. And I can’t see that changing much.
Most people in continental Europe, even in France outside of French Catalonia, are unaware that there are two different kinds of Rugby. People here usually only know Rugby Union. Some Rugby die hards in continental Europe have heard or read about the fact that there is a second type of Rugby, but don’t anything about it. I have been to 3 WC games 2023 in France, talked to all sorts of European Rugby fans. No one knew anything about Rugby League. And I was there at the time of the NRL Grand Final and the SL play offs. It’s funny that the Netherlands are 12th Internationally. I am fluent in Dutch and follow Dutch sports, watch Dutch television, have a bunch of Dutch friends and visits the country every once in a while. Before I watched Leaguei’s video, I was completely unaware of the fact that league was played at all there. Union? Yes, pretty big niche sport actually. I have seen games on television and according to Wikipedia, there are 25k registered Union players in the Netherlands. But league? Turns out, it is as tiny as it gets. There are 4-5 clubs. And that’s it. I bet you that most of the players are originally form traditional league areas. And that’s the world’s number 12?! Tells you everything. Outside of it’s traditional strong holds, Rugby league is internationally comparable to AFL/Aussie rules. As tiny as it gets.
i cant believe ive only just found this out. Especially as a consistent holland rugby league fan. The growth of our game has improved massively, all for that to go out the window. disgrace that is.
Maybe they can keep 10 teams but create parallel "tier 2" World Cup for developing nations that will get a chance to compete. There is a way out of this but money is always a problem.
Why bother? A tier two comp isn't a world cup, just a mino competition for poor teams. The Rugby Union World cup had loads of blow outs, it was considered a success and will be expanded. This mini world cup is a shoe in, just to not cause problems for the NRL. It's irrelevant.
League's international game? lmao what a joke, the world cup is a travesty and the rest of the world prefer rugby. The game is not competitive enough internationally and as long as Australia tries to keep a stranglehold on being top dog, it will never grow.
Even with the argument of getting rid of teams cuz they weren’t competitive there were only 2 teams that were uncompetitive Greece & Jamaica all the other countries weren’t that bad
It’s all about the money. They don’t say it because they don’t want the bad press. I’d say most 2nd tier sports are having this issue. I watched all 2017 and this last RLWC. We should be ecstatic it’s being picked up by Oz.
I get it's important to showcase a high quality game/s, but it's honestly entertaining watching semi pros competing against each other as well, just have a look at countries competing each other on youtube or the lower grades in Oz. So many of these other tier countries that just can't go full pro nor provide top quality talent to NRL and Super league teams can provide plenty of talent to compete in a semi pro/amateur world comp, maybe the winner progresses to the world cup. Surely the NRL can help the IRL fund this, these players wont demand much and it'll improve the landscape of the international game long term, it shouldn't be short sighted and only be about immediate returns. The olympics is full of semi pros to this day and grew, even the soccer world cup and Euros grew to this stage from semi pros partaking.
We want 16 Well done to both you and the Leaguie for calling them out It’s a disgraceful decision. I do think changing the format would have been a smart idea but reducing the amount of teams by more than a third is a disgraceful decision.
Maybe League was never meant to be a big international game . Does it really have to? The NRL and State of Origin is enough for me . The NFL is huge in the US but they never push it internationally.
You serious? They are pushing the NFL extremely hard internationally. They regularly have games in other countries and invest in infrastructure and programs abroad. American football has become a pretty solid niche/minor sport in many countries, especially in Europe, with good participation, decent competitions and a solid fan base. Flag football (the no contact versions) will be an Olympic sport from 2028 onwards.
I think you have to just trust them for now in what there doing. With NRL 360 unfortunately they only talk about Latrell, South’s , tigers and the Roosters.
Downfall? Downfall from what?! International rugby league has been a no credibility laughing stock for at least 50 years if not its entire history. I don’t understand why they still waste their time and money on this farcical world cup but hey it’s no skin off of my nose.
International League will only grow when Countries besides Australia and England have their own strong local competitions- Australia are the conundrum from Tier 1 Nations in Union not to do this,but generally Tier 1 Nations have strong local competitions-International League sources their players from Super League England and NRL Australia
Wales have 1 team in League tier 3. Scotland and Ireland have no pro teams. France have 1 SuperLeague team and 1 team in League 2. All we've got is England. Crowds are up. There's a new good TV deal and RL is on a high after the RLWC in England but anything coming from the North is small apart from England. Sad really.
The ruby league league World Cup should 32 teams in 4 groups of 8 the round of sixteen be a knockout game. The next teams the next world cup should be the top three game a host country but if one of three teams in the host country is one the top. 3 tames you one place other teams to qualify
its not going to be the downfall of international rugby league. within this decade the number of nrl regular season games will reduce to about 20, and the international season will be expanded with a focus on growing the game in north america. this is the plan. the international game will grow from strength to strength
International rugby league is coming along just fine. Australia are now far from winning everything, all the time. With a good number of international teams that can cut the mustard.
international rugby league will never grow period. its dead in England because the working class there has decided soccer is the only team sport they care about. Don't put it on the NRL or Australia that the rest of the world has abandoned the sport for the juggernaut of the soccer World Cup.
THANK YOU for bringing this issue to more people mate! It's absolutely worth fighting for and I'm glad to have you (and hopefully your fans) on board. 💚
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International rugby league will never grow as long as it takes a back seat to NRL footy and especially Origin.
110% right with this!
international rugby league will never grow period. its dead in England because the working class there has decided soccer is the only team sport they care about. Don't put it on the NRL or Australia that the rest of the world has abandoned the sport for the juggernaut of the soccer World Cup.
@Lorenzogino I'm glad you're not in charge of rugby league. No ambition from your head, just giving up because it's hard
We want 16! lets go!!! love both you and The Leaguie's content
Love League but I live in the USA and I can tell you that Rugby League in the Midwest is almost none existent. Union on the other hand is starting to gain ground. A lot of that is due to the work union has put in to preparing the USA for hosting the 2031 world cup. They created a domestic league and a specific team to develop USA players. The promotion for the rugby Sevens here is growing. the popularity of Ilona Maher and the success of the women's team in the Olympics is huge. There is a local youth club in Chicago (where I live) that just got a new indoor and outdoor ground and kids are starting to sign up for it. The All Blacks have been doing tours and youth camps for years and when I talk to people about rugby (league or union) 9/10 will respond "oh yeah like the all blacks" They sold out Soldier Field when they played the USA, 60,000 people showed up. The NRL game sold about 40,000 tickets in a stadium that holds 65,000. If League is going to grow in the US market they have a lot more work to do then showing up in Vegas and putting on some games to collect gambling money. Most Americans had no idea it was going on. To be honest most Americans dont really have an interest in watching unless they feel invested. There's basketball, baseball, foot ball, hockey and soccer and Union is starting to make a dent in the market, if you want to sell your sport League is going to have to work on markets outside of the NRL. That means investing in international Rugby League.
League is non existent everywhere in the USA. As it is in most nations that aren’t two states of Australia, Northern England, Southern France and Auckland NZ.
@@danieleyre8913 There's a 20+ team comp, can't say non existent tbf...
@@elijahtchilembe-mpovie2715 Well I can because it can’t possible be even a proper competition let alone a professional one. Just a strange fringe social scene…
@@danieleyre8913 Not necessarily, I played in it. American RL has been amateur-semi pro. In 2014, after the split, it was mainly east coast, now its included west coast teams. We play in the summer which works perfectly. 8 games plus preseason and finals get us at least 11-12 games. I think issue is just doing more to market the sport better.
@@elijahtchilembe-mpovie2715 Rugby league is a fringe sport in the USA. An insignificant fraction of Americans have heard of it. And that will never change.
This is actually decent and relevant footy information, better then any other media. Love what you’re doing!
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Once the admin and players take it seriously, so will the fans. Last world cup we had players with drawing so they could attend friends weddings or so they could have a full pre season to concentrate on thier club. Could you imagine that happening in any other sport ?
Happens in Basketball and hockey too. It’s not just that International RL is shit, it’s also that one country and league is completely dominant. The NRL is RL’s NBA/NHL. If you are the best player in the NRL, you are the best player in the world. If you win NRL premierships and Origin series, you have nothing left to prove.
I grew up watching league in the 90's and the international game was great then. I'm remembering many 3 match series' between the Kiwi's and Kangaroo's in June/July, you know, when people ACTUALLY care, not the latter half of spring when everyone's switched off and players who have had long seasons opt out. We had a Lions tour in 1992, and they played NRL teams mid week, then came over here to New Zealand for a 2 match series (it was an epic series believe me). The game won't grow until emphasis and passion that is put into State or Origin is given to the International game.
I remember being a teenager in NZ in the 1990s. We must’ve lived within different circles, because I only remember league being seen as a joke. And especially the international “tests”. It was always one-sided and in one test (in dumpy Palmerston North) the match ball got stolen.
you know what happens when people dont watch games? they don't make money, take a step back and take your emotions out of it.
League will never get out of Oceania while Union will continue to grow internationally. Funny how the amateur oriented game will beat the money oriented game.
@@cheloxmv why would I care, why are you telling me this, it has nothing to do with what I said. I said, if you don't want to watch something then don't, and you decide, I'll tell this guy how union is gonna be bigger, like mate tell my why I'd care what others enjoy, as my previous comment stated if you don't like don't watch.
@@thetentmedia665 Why are you getting emotional? If you don't like my comment then just ignore it.
@@cheloxmv good one, you waited 6 months to reply well done
You had guys like Luke Keary representing us with his dad being Irish, it probably means a lot to these guys not being picked for Oz/Nz to represent their family heritage.
Downfall? There was never anything to fall down from. Rugby League hardly exists outside of pockets of Australasia and Northern England
Well said.
It is amazing how these Aussie league-ies are so alienated from reality and the wider world. And they don’t fathom just what a nothing sport league is in the bigger picture. Now I’m not saying that they should give up on their game (as much as it’s not my cup of tea). But just that they have no perspective on the wider world. It’s really not very big at all in England, it’s only played in the old coal belt and it’s slowly dying out (to association football, not Union). In New Zealand it’s really only big in South Auckland, West Auckland and among gang Māoris. And it’s played among some communities in southern France, where it is also dying out like in England. And there’s Papua New Guinea, the Cook Islands, and a lot of other insignificant pacific Islands.
It has almost NO presence in Wales, Ireland nor Scotland. And as good as none in continental Europe beyond southern France. Almost none in South Africa nor the rest of the African continent. None in the Americas. And none in Asia.
It’s only big time in two Australian states. And Papua New Guinea. And I can’t see that changing much.
Most people in continental Europe, even in France outside of French Catalonia, are unaware that there are two different kinds of Rugby. People here usually only know Rugby Union. Some Rugby die hards in continental Europe have heard or read about the fact that there is a second type of Rugby, but don’t anything about it. I have been to 3 WC games 2023 in France, talked to all sorts of European Rugby fans. No one knew anything about Rugby League. And I was there at the time of the NRL Grand Final and the SL play offs.
It’s funny that the Netherlands are 12th Internationally. I am fluent in Dutch and follow Dutch sports, watch Dutch television, have a bunch of Dutch friends and visits the country every once in a while. Before I watched Leaguei’s video, I was completely unaware of the fact that league was played at all there. Union? Yes, pretty big niche sport actually. I have seen games on television and according to Wikipedia, there are 25k registered Union players in the Netherlands. But league? Turns out, it is as tiny as it gets. There are 4-5 clubs. And that’s it. I bet you that most of the players are originally form traditional league areas. And that’s the world’s number 12?! Tells you everything.
Outside of it’s traditional strong holds, Rugby league is internationally comparable to AFL/Aussie rules. As tiny as it gets.
@@LomuHabana Everything you said is true.
Aussie league fans are totally clueless about just how insignificant their sport actually is.
"What was never up cant fall down", Uninion(AKA real Rugby)
i cant believe ive only just found this out. Especially as a consistent holland rugby league fan. The growth of our game has improved massively, all for that to go out the window. disgrace that is.
Maybe they can keep 10 teams but create parallel "tier 2" World Cup for developing nations that will get a chance to compete. There is a way out of this but money is always a problem.
Why bother? A tier two comp isn't a world cup, just a mino competition for poor teams. The Rugby Union World cup had loads of blow outs, it was considered a success and will be expanded. This mini world cup is a shoe in, just to not cause problems for the NRL. It's irrelevant.
State of Origin is pinnacle of League. Just one of those sporting events you can’t miss.
Also the very thing that holds back the game's true potential in the far future
@@Panthersince2003 totally agree
League's international game? lmao what a joke, the world cup is a travesty and the rest of the world prefer rugby. The game is not competitive enough internationally and as long as Australia tries to keep a stranglehold on being top dog, it will never grow.
How can we affect World RL to increase number of teams?🤞🏻
Even with the argument of getting rid of teams cuz they weren’t competitive there were only 2 teams that were uncompetitive Greece & Jamaica all the other countries weren’t that bad
It’s all about the money. They don’t say it because they don’t want the bad press. I’d say most 2nd tier sports are having this issue. I watched all 2017 and this last RLWC. We should be ecstatic it’s being picked up by Oz.
what can we do to help mate?
Yo love the video bro. I would love to see a video about Papi and his career so far! Or TrellMit.
I get it's important to showcase a high quality game/s, but it's honestly entertaining watching semi pros competing against each other as well, just have a look at countries competing each other on youtube or the lower grades in Oz.
So many of these other tier countries that just can't go full pro nor provide top quality talent to NRL and Super league teams can provide plenty of talent to compete in a semi pro/amateur world comp, maybe the winner progresses to the world cup. Surely the NRL can help the IRL fund this, these players wont demand much and it'll improve the landscape of the international game long term, it shouldn't be short sighted and only be about immediate returns.
The olympics is full of semi pros to this day and grew, even the soccer world cup and Euros grew to this stage from semi pros partaking.
can someone tell me why there is no end of year international comp
The Kiwis are playing for the rest of the year which is ridiculous
They need to bring back the Anzac test and end of year 4 nations
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Well done to both you and the Leaguie for calling them out
It’s a disgraceful decision. I do think changing the format would have been a smart idea but reducing the amount of teams by more than a third is a disgraceful decision.
Glad you mentioned the leaguie. Fantastic channel
Maybe League was never meant to be a big international game . Does it really have to? The NRL and State of Origin is enough for me . The NFL is huge in the US but they never push it internationally.
You serious? They are pushing the NFL extremely hard internationally. They regularly have games in other countries and invest in infrastructure and programs abroad. American football has become a pretty solid niche/minor sport in many countries, especially in Europe, with good participation, decent competitions and a solid fan base. Flag football (the no contact versions) will be an Olympic sport from 2028 onwards.
Could you do a Chris sandow video ?
I think you have to just trust them for now in what there doing. With NRL 360 unfortunately they only talk about Latrell, South’s , tigers and the Roosters.
Downfall?
Downfall from what?! International rugby league has been a no credibility laughing stock for at least 50 years if not its entire history. I don’t understand why they still waste their time and money on this farcical world cup but hey it’s no skin off of my nose.
International League will only grow when Countries besides Australia and England have their own strong local competitions- Australia are the conundrum from Tier 1 Nations in Union not to do this,but generally Tier 1 Nations have strong local competitions-International League sources their players from Super League England and NRL Australia
Wales have 1 team in League tier 3. Scotland and Ireland have no pro teams. France have 1 SuperLeague team and 1 team in League 2. All we've got is England. Crowds are up. There's a new good TV deal and RL is on a high after the RLWC in England but anything coming from the North is small apart from England. Sad really.
South Africa and Ireland are absolute giants in Rugby Union, why not get League in those countries surely it is a captured market.
Hope we get 16 wish Malta had a chance but we don’t at the moment
The mockery of nationalities makes or a joke
How can it be a downfall? When it's the starting point for growth, you have to start from somewhere somehow.
The ruby league league World Cup should 32 teams in 4 groups of 8 the round of sixteen be a knockout game. The next teams the next world cup should be the top three game a host country but if one of three teams in the host country is one the top. 3 tames you one place other teams to qualify
its not going to be the downfall of international rugby league. within this decade the number of nrl regular season games will reduce to about 20, and the international season will be expanded with a focus on growing the game in north america. this is the plan. the international game will grow from strength to strength
I promise you rugby league will go nowhere in the USA.
thank you for this!
It's not the game it was there trying to distinguish it
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Crazy stuff!!
The Las Vegas round is a joke. It should be a pre season thing like could you imagine the nfl starting there first round in Australia lol.
they should get a few union players to volunteer
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IRLWC, 16 team!
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International rugby league is coming along just fine. Australia are now far from winning everything, all the time. With a good number of international teams that can cut the mustard.
At the very top level, for sure. Which is all the more reason why we shouldn't be cutting off the development underneath that.
Australia still wins pretty much everything, only real competitor is NZ, or some pacific Island team full of Australian raised NRL players.
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international rugby league will never grow period. its dead in England because the working class there has decided soccer is the only team sport they care about. Don't put it on the NRL or Australia that the rest of the world has abandoned the sport for the juggernaut of the soccer World Cup.
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bro no one cares, get better if you want to qualify
There Should Be An Indigenous Australian + Maori + Native Hawaiian Team At The World Cup
No thanks the NRL will just politicise it
@@jacobjgleggy1854 I am Indigenous Australian & I know for a fact that the reason why we keep getting left out-Is coz they know we will win-!!!!
@@theface8997 Exactly 💯
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