17:39 as a Banjo player I can tell you exactly why he did that. He noticed Puff’s shield was basically a skittle, therefore there is very little counterplay for the random WW. You see he even pops Grenegg before doing the WW so that just in case BassMage does react to it and gets out of the way, he has the Grenegg in hand to either still hit BassMage or hit himself to get out of the way of a punish.
I couldn't believe the set record when I heard it. I am a TG believer, but even I wouldn't have expected this. Im guessing that TG really utilized Leo's unfamiliarity in the matchup but I was happy to see this. especially after Leo & Meister placed banjo low on their tier list (low being like 1 tier under most) All this being said I'd love to see them run it back to see what MKleo does with a little more prep
Toriguri is a monster, there is not and will never be a Banjo even close to his level. He basically matchup checked all the NA players because he's the only good Banjo LMAO Would love to see a video on BassMage's run! :0
I am biased because TG is my favorite player BUT so many people are chalking his run up to matchup checks and gimmicks without mentioning the fact that he nearly reverse 3-0d Hurt and was easily the closest to beating him and went last hit with Yoshidora as well.
Counter Argument for Esam: Character Viability Versus Player Skill: While individual player success is a component of character viability, it is not the sole factor. Banjo & Kazooie's toolkit is equipped with versatile projectiles, a reliable recovery, and moves like Wonderwing that offer invincibility frames, all of which are valuable in a competitive environment. The effectiveness of a character must be evaluated holistically, considering both high-level player results and the inherent attributes of the character's moveset. Disadvantages and Aerial Drift: Banjo & Kazooie's slower aerial drift is a design choice that balances their strong zoning tools. This trait encourages a more strategic playstyle, focusing on stage control and projectile use rather than aerial rushdown. Their aerial attacks, while not the fastest, have good range, versatility and power, making them effective when used in conjunction with their zoning abilities. Combo Game and Playstyle Diversity: It's a misconception that Banjo & Kazooie's combo game is non-existent. They possess several strings and combos that, while not as extensive as some characters, can still deal significant damage. Moreover, a character's strength isn't solely determined by their combo ability. Banjo & Kazooie's playstyle is built around stage control, spacing, and baiting, which are equally strong viable strategies in competitive play. Neutral Game and Projectile Efficacy: The assertion that many moves can ignore Banjo & Kazooie's eggs and grenades overlooks the importance of timing and placement. Their neutral game excels through the strategic use of grenades to control opponent movement and create pressure, and their eggs to maintain spacing. Their ability to control the pace of the match with projectiles is a testament to their strength in neutral. Wonderwing Versus Other Moves: Wonderwing's invincibility frames and KO power make it an invaluable asset, not something to be traded lightly. It can serve as a potent counter to aggressive approaches, break through defenses, and secure crucial KOs. While other characters like Snake have powerful tools, each character's kit must be leveraged differently to maximize effectiveness. Character Weaknesses in High-Level Play: Every character has weaknesses, but a top player's ability to mitigate these issues and exploit their character's strengths is what sets them apart. Banjo & Kazooie's weaknesses are apparent, but they also possess a strong toolkit that can be optimized in the right hands making thier weakness not as a issue as many presume. Evidence of Viability: Pointing to top players who have consistently used Banjo & Kazooie to achieve notable results in tournaments can provide concrete evidence of the character's potential. While not every top player chooses to main them, those who do can display the character's strengths and competitive viability. To bow tie this conclusion, Banjo & Kazooie's design is centered around control and versatility, which, when used effectively, can compete at high levels of play making banjo and kazooie a candidate for high to top tier in the current meta. The character's success is not solely determined by speed or combo ability, but rather by strategic play, positioning, and the player's mastery of their unique toolkit. The character may require a patient and calculated approach to play optimally, which is a legitimate and viable competitive strategy and a strong one at that. This reason is why many drop the character since it's not a easy character to fully master and optimize. I Would even argue that there's better banjo and kazooie mains to mains at least equivalent to TG but sadly don't travel. So to assume TG is the only one because he has the opportunity to travel is quite dull and ignorant.
Yap goes crazy. I do agree with you on some of your points, like Banjo having potential higher than what we've seen so far. But to counter that, nearly every character has not been optimized to reach their full potential, it's a matter of how many pick up what character. Unfortunately, and naturally, the easier yet better characters will be the ones people gravitate to. The argument could be made for any character that their kit balances out their weaknesses, and that it's up to the player to exploit their strengths. This story becomes flopped when you point to the fact that some characters have such strong strengths and minimal weaknesses that the difference becomes nigh unfair. Two easy examples are Pikachu and Steve, and with your level of knowledge on Banjo, I don't imagine I need to tell you why these two characters have strong strengths and almost null weaknesses. To close off my own yap session, "individual player success is a component of character viability, it is not the sole factor" can be flipped to also mean that player skill may be a component of individual player success, but character viability also is a component. It's 4AM I'm going to sleep now gn.
I think MK didn't know the match-up and also didn't capitalize on using his deflector. I watched where he began to absorb wonder wing, and I saw moments where he should have deflected the attack while edge guarding, but didn't. Definitely a wake up call.
It's all fun and laughs when Leo loses to the best banjo, but look at me in the fucking eyes and tell me how do you plan the Banjo matchup when theres like...3 top players and they're far between Anyways RIP Leo
Dude I main banjo and I don't get it either lol. Esam isn't "hating" on the character he was just pointing out an obvious weakness the character has. People really get offended over everything these days.
@@jmann531lol no. Esam said I was troll for saying banjo is top tier now everybody gonna bandwagon. Give credit when it's due because people have been saying this and got shunned for being correct 😂
Dont focus on the 21% because who can create the situation in the first place? What mid range APM matches banjo? None. It's not about the percent if your character can't abuse neutral even half as good as banjo you wouldn't find the situation in the first place. That's banjos strength so quit looking at the percent and look at the game being played. Cloud can't do that. GnW can't do that. Breeguk + egg grenade and have fast sword tilts. That's banjos thing. Top tier.
@@PlagueDrHK he isn’t top tier and even if he was I it really doesn’t matter except to you LOL literally nobody cares about anybody else’s opinions it’s really not that big of a deal
@@ChronosSnake Millions of people are talking about this unprecedented matchup that just took place, so uh, yeah, people DO care about their opinions if they care to respond back and forth and reciprocate explanations.
" takes 21 % thats not alot of percent" but forgets the huge advantage he obtained in positioning and stage control and banjo and kazooie thrives in ledge trapping and edge guarding. The banjo hate is crazy. " idk how like breegal works but yeah idk how it works " . The ignorance is crazy people parrot this washing machines opinions which are always bad and wrong.
@@mercurysnake274yeah combine that with how much easier it is to do it with those characters for the same or more reward, banjos combos are so technical and difficult and the reward isn’t enough. They should of made him do much more damage for pulling off those long neutral b combos.
i just meant idk how to control the breegul blaster, i know how it works, i just cant do it myself also people can deal 55% and then have advantage, thats what most high and top tier characters do
@@imESAM replay the part where you left out and gave zero recognition about where TG breegal blaster into Plat to breegal cancel into wonder wing. No comment, no review, no mention. Why? Was it because someone can do the thing you touted was impossible and only TAS for years. Seems like a good way to avoid or confirming that breegal cancels give huge damage % that leads into more traps leading to quicker percents. Ult is so complex people really focus on damage and ignore all other phases of the match that are also valuable. So again you don't know how to use it and you proved you don't know how it works since you would of noticed this immediately. Banjo mains who understand the tech and few top players would understand and said something.
esam please stop do not let the banjo players rise do not give them the validation they need to become top players playing against sonic and Steve's bad enough we don't need to add banjo
Eh banjo can be a bit flow charty at times but has just enough depth to him to be watchable Sonic just plays the same 2 dimensional defensive game over n over n over n over
17:39 as a Banjo player I can tell you exactly why he did that. He noticed Puff’s shield was basically a skittle, therefore there is very little counterplay for the random WW. You see he even pops Grenegg before doing the WW so that just in case BassMage does react to it and gets out of the way, he has the Grenegg in hand to either still hit BassMage or hit himself to get out of the way of a punish.
I couldn't believe the set record when I heard it. I am a TG believer, but even I wouldn't have expected this.
Im guessing that TG really utilized Leo's unfamiliarity in the matchup but I was happy to see this. especially after Leo & Meister placed banjo low on their tier list (low being like 1 tier under most)
All this being said I'd love to see them run it back to see what MKleo does with a little more prep
i respect esam for being like the only content creator who can pronounce japanese names. even saying the R’s correctly!
Fr hearing foreigners (except Spanish speaker) butchering the R makes my ears bleed
wat
@@nathanlevesque7812 you only speak english you wouldn't get it
@@nathanlevesque7812uncultured swine
@@nathanlevesque7812 you’re mono lingual you would not get it 🗿
Toriguri is a monster, there is not and will never be a Banjo even close to his level. He basically matchup checked all the NA players because he's the only good Banjo LMAO
Would love to see a video on BassMage's run! :0
I am biased because TG is my favorite player BUT so many people are chalking his run up to matchup checks and gimmicks without mentioning the fact that he nearly reverse 3-0d Hurt and was easily the closest to beating him and went last hit with Yoshidora as well.
Counter Argument for Esam:
Character Viability Versus Player Skill: While individual player success is a component of character viability, it is not the sole factor. Banjo & Kazooie's toolkit is equipped with versatile projectiles, a reliable recovery, and moves like Wonderwing that offer invincibility frames, all of which are valuable in a competitive environment. The effectiveness of a character must be evaluated holistically, considering both high-level player results and the inherent attributes of the character's moveset.
Disadvantages and Aerial Drift: Banjo & Kazooie's slower aerial drift is a design choice that balances their strong zoning tools. This trait encourages a more strategic playstyle, focusing on stage control and projectile use rather than aerial rushdown. Their aerial attacks, while not the fastest, have good range, versatility and power, making them effective when used in conjunction with their zoning abilities.
Combo Game and Playstyle Diversity: It's a misconception that Banjo & Kazooie's combo game is non-existent. They possess several strings and combos that, while not as extensive as some characters, can still deal significant damage. Moreover, a character's strength isn't solely determined by their combo ability. Banjo & Kazooie's playstyle is built around stage control, spacing, and baiting, which are equally strong viable strategies in competitive play.
Neutral Game and Projectile Efficacy: The assertion that many moves can ignore Banjo & Kazooie's eggs and grenades overlooks the importance of timing and placement. Their neutral game excels through the strategic use of grenades to control opponent movement and create pressure, and their eggs to maintain spacing. Their ability to control the pace of the match with projectiles is a testament to their strength in neutral.
Wonderwing Versus Other Moves: Wonderwing's invincibility frames and KO power make it an invaluable asset, not something to be traded lightly. It can serve as a potent counter to aggressive approaches, break through defenses, and secure crucial KOs. While other characters like Snake have powerful tools, each character's kit must be leveraged differently to maximize effectiveness.
Character Weaknesses in High-Level Play: Every character has weaknesses, but a top player's ability to mitigate these issues and exploit their character's strengths is what sets them apart. Banjo & Kazooie's weaknesses are apparent, but they also possess a strong toolkit that can be optimized in the right hands making thier weakness not as a issue as many presume.
Evidence of Viability: Pointing to top players who have consistently used Banjo & Kazooie to achieve notable results in tournaments can provide concrete evidence of the character's potential. While not every top player chooses to main them, those who do can display the character's strengths and competitive viability.
To bow tie this conclusion, Banjo & Kazooie's design is centered around control and versatility, which, when used effectively, can compete at high levels of play making banjo and kazooie a candidate for high to top tier in the current meta. The character's success is not solely determined by speed or combo ability, but rather by strategic play, positioning, and the player's mastery of their unique toolkit. The character may require a patient and calculated approach to play optimally, which is a legitimate and viable competitive strategy and a strong one at that. This reason is why many drop the character since it's not a easy character to fully master and optimize. I Would even argue that there's better banjo and kazooie mains to mains at least equivalent to TG but sadly don't travel. So to assume TG is the only one because he has the opportunity to travel is quite dull and ignorant.
Yap goes crazy. I do agree with you on some of your points, like Banjo having potential higher than what we've seen so far. But to counter that, nearly every character has not been optimized to reach their full potential, it's a matter of how many pick up what character. Unfortunately, and naturally, the easier yet better characters will be the ones people gravitate to. The argument could be made for any character that their kit balances out their weaknesses, and that it's up to the player to exploit their strengths. This story becomes flopped when you point to the fact that some characters have such strong strengths and minimal weaknesses that the difference becomes nigh unfair. Two easy examples are Pikachu and Steve, and with your level of knowledge on Banjo, I don't imagine I need to tell you why these two characters have strong strengths and almost null weaknesses. To close off my own yap session, "individual player success is a component of character viability, it is not the sole factor" can be flipped to also mean that player skill may be a component of individual player success, but character viability also is a component. It's 4AM I'm going to sleep now gn.
You should react to Hurt vs TG. Lowkey TG was the closest one to beating Hurt this tournament.
It was not even lowkey. He statistically was the only player to bring him to game 5 in a close reverse 3-0.
AWSOME!
I think MK didn't know the match-up and also didn't capitalize on using his deflector. I watched where he began to absorb wonder wing, and I saw moments where he should have deflected the attack while edge guarding, but didn't. Definitely a wake up call.
lol it seems like every video is just MKLeo getting his shit rocked by relatively unknown players. Feels really good.
Great thumbnail
Ohhhh i hear the slay the spire music >:)
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How tf does TG even keep the breegull blaster out for that long?!
He does jump reads and stuff approaches with it. It basically functions like a zair in mid range.
im surprised bassmage didnt go fox against tg, much better matchup one of banjos worsts
It's all fun and laughs when Leo loses to the best banjo, but look at me in the fucking eyes and tell me how do you plan the Banjo matchup when theres like...3 top players and they're far between
Anyways RIP Leo
Holy shit why are the banjo players being so cringe for you saying that 21% isn’t a lot of damage when we have characters that do 70 in one combo
Dude I main banjo and I don't get it either lol. Esam isn't "hating" on the character he was just pointing out an obvious weakness the character has. People really get offended over everything these days.
@@jmann531lol no. Esam said I was troll for saying banjo is top tier now everybody gonna bandwagon. Give credit when it's due because people have been saying this and got shunned for being correct 😂
Dont focus on the 21% because who can create the situation in the first place? What mid range APM matches banjo? None. It's not about the percent if your character can't abuse neutral even half as good as banjo you wouldn't find the situation in the first place. That's banjos strength so quit looking at the percent and look at the game being played. Cloud can't do that. GnW can't do that. Breeguk + egg grenade and have fast sword tilts. That's banjos thing. Top tier.
@@PlagueDrHK he isn’t top tier and even if he was I it really doesn’t matter except to you LOL literally nobody cares about anybody else’s opinions it’s really not that big of a deal
@@ChronosSnake Millions of people are talking about this unprecedented matchup that just took place, so uh, yeah, people DO care about their opinions if they care to respond back and forth and reciprocate explanations.
Nice nails esam
" takes 21 % thats not alot of percent" but forgets the huge advantage he obtained in positioning and stage control and banjo and kazooie thrives in ledge trapping and edge guarding. The banjo hate is crazy. " idk how like breegal works but yeah idk how it works " . The ignorance is crazy people parrot this washing machines opinions which are always bad and wrong.
Other characters do far more damage off an opening and similarly excel in ledgetrapping. GnW, Cloud, Steve, the list goes on
@@mercurysnake274yeah combine that with how much easier it is to do it with those characters for the same or more reward, banjos combos are so technical and difficult and the reward isn’t enough. They should of made him do much more damage for pulling off those long neutral b combos.
Great comment you are very smart
i just meant idk how to control the breegul blaster, i know how it works, i just cant do it myself
also people can deal 55% and then have advantage, thats what most high and top tier characters do
@@imESAM replay the part where you left out and gave zero recognition about where TG breegal blaster into Plat to breegal cancel into wonder wing. No comment, no review, no mention. Why? Was it because someone can do the thing you touted was impossible and only TAS for years. Seems like a good way to avoid or confirming that breegal cancels give huge damage % that leads into more traps leading to quicker percents. Ult is so complex people really focus on damage and ignore all other phases of the match that are also valuable. So again you don't know how to use it and you proved you don't know how it works since you would of noticed this immediately. Banjo mains who understand the tech and few top players would understand and said something.
Why does he say Japanese names like this
you mean, like they would in the Japenese language?
Because ESAM is saying the right way not the white way
@@imESAM Your pronunciation is 完璧
@@janswhatsupdocah yes "white" my favorite language
esam please stop do not let the banjo players rise do not give them the validation they need to become top players playing against sonic and Steve's bad enough we don't need to add banjo
Sonic and Steve make Banjo look like Brawl Ganondorf dw
I’ll take banjo over both of these chars anytime especially sonic who carries players
Esam talking about Banjo is not gonna SHIFT the entire meta towards a Banjo favored one. I think you’re safe lol.
Eh banjo can be a bit flow charty at times but has just enough depth to him to be watchable
Sonic just plays the same 2 dimensional defensive game over n over n over n over