Bleeds don't count as a debuff if I recall correctly. Slow, Rend, Weaken, Disease, Exhaust, stun, root, and Silence are the in game debuffs I think. Bleed and Poison i think are in a different category of Damage over time.
We were fighting 3 melees vz 1 medium build spear/bow. Poison and burn plus bleed. He was dodging like Neo, applying debuffs and was unkillable because of fortification of perforate. So he rarely used coup de grace, but used perforate after sweep, so there was no time to dodge to avoid him getting forty.
As ranged cannon glass musket player still use tumbler foot over natures wrath did some testing was getting more damage with tumbler talking about 4-6K power shot XD but i did test wrath with FS it boost damage a lot , nice videos mate keep it up
I wouldn't like tumblers on a musket, I'd rather go with attuned pants. But I use wrath with musket, 100 con, 5 harness, 5 void dmg runeglasses and void dmg on my ring with the abyss as my 2nd weapon. I hit harder now, consistently, than I did pre S5
@@tango2327 mate spears everywhere bleed everywhere use finsher as second weapon and see the different in the damage btw i play 25 S 400 Dex 25 Con and the rest on Intel every normal hit on light and medum players from 2k-4k damage i use ice runeglasses cuz sometime i swap finsher with deepfreez
@@tango2327 also i have to do more deep testing on wrath maybe i did put wrong gear or attributes swap intel and dex see what give better Cuz dex line is full of timed empower
I think with Sin you should think about using Keen Berserk now. 20% attack increase with zerk plus 25% with keen zerk when active with the increased crit chance to add debuffs. So 45% boost with zerk with refreshing move also, add torrent to the armor with a couple extra refreshings your dealing 45% extra damage most of the time. Use Natures Wrath artifact and now you are doing 65% damage with keen zerk. Also using the throwing axe buff(Hurling Force) for distance throws while zerking, I don't think that is labeled as an empower, will be crazy...I hope. ;) This all with using Wrath though. Other wise I guess a gem slot. I take it you are eating con food to raise your con to 150? You showed your attributes without food intake.
Yeah I think I could definitely swap some perks in the future to try out, I like the ideas you've got! I do think refreshing torrent would he worth it with how much I've been using it. I'll have to look into keen berserk as well. And yes, I have been running 150 con with food and even bumped it up to 200 with success as well.
if youre going with bleed dots wouldnt empower build do more? or maybe the speedy sandels, 10% base dmg increase while hasted and u can still use empower. with natures wrath ur elemental dmg gets boosted from runeglass etc however bleed is limited to the 20% from natures only. Since you built for nature tho how about venom spear with coup perk on? ive got this build and doing 2k ticks ona dummy hitting coup and skewer, works really well for me :D(i use shirking empower and if im brawling im having 100% uptime for 30% empower) playing as assasin itll take a couple dodges to come online but its useful when fighting against medium+heavy users. I also overcap empower a bit with my build since a lot of medium spear players use perf and skewer weaken so it works as a counter to it. i find with natures wrath as soon as you get weakened the whole strenght of the piece is quite negated, yeah u can dodge and kite ppl but as soon as someones using a flail on the enemy youre kinda forced into it. I also thought, instead of max upgrading skewer, you could get the perk that increases debuff durations one a crit then you can afford the 5% crit on light upgrade then :)
Ive been running a near identical build since the start of S5. Have you tried slotting more into the right side of hatchet using infected throw and social distance, keeping berserk? The root is pretty handy and I find torrent hard to hit rn with all the de-sync. The right side mastery perk also fits in well with the build. I havent tested to know for sure but I believe runeglasses on the weapons that apply burn, poison, etc are also counting as debuffs. Great video thanks for sharing
Social distancing can definitely work with the build, but I typically will use the other artifact hatchet for a heavier throwing build. Torrent is also really nice with the blooddrinker ring for some quick bursts of health. It seems like Sin is a pretty solid weapon with various ways to build it
so what spear "empowers" still work with nature wrath, and which dont..? does the +30% damage ultimate right side point work f.e? i take it the skewer empower doesnt work? i dont have the natures wrath, to test out everthing. it will only be really strong on some weapons, and basically we will need to test every lil thing, to see whats up with it..
I'm still testing individual weapons/perks but in general, any empowerment that is applied to your character for a period of time will expire immediately. Unless it's tied to an ability/perk like oblivion with void or leadership perk with SnS. For spear, the right tree should work since it's a damage increase based on debuffs being applied to the enemy so there's no actual timed empowerment connected to the damage increase. Hatchets berserk seemes like a timed empowerment, but since it's actually a damage increase that stays with for the duration of the ability, it will not expire like a regular empowerment would with nature's wrath.
If ur melee stay tumbler you will dodge attacks a lot and its 1 sec cd 25 fortify and 15 emp percent plus a small heal is no brainer stick to the weapons that u came up with. Controller users def need tumbler
been running sin/spear with triple bleed but without nature wrath yet, lots of fun and damage too, cant imagine how much bleed per tick with nature wrath lol
@@aquarister same I feel like if your not running with a 5 stack then it’s definitely nice to have! Specially when you have some good tech, but I enjoyed your video! With the blood drinker and deff look forward to more. Feel free to check me out as well!
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Bleeds don't count as a debuff if I recall correctly. Slow, Rend, Weaken, Disease, Exhaust, stun, root, and Silence are the in game debuffs I think. Bleed and Poison i think are in a different category of Damage over time.
they count
We were fighting 3 melees vz 1 medium build spear/bow. Poison and burn plus bleed. He was dodging like Neo, applying debuffs and was unkillable because of fortification of perforate. So he rarely used coup de grace, but used perforate after sweep, so there was no time to dodge to avoid him getting forty.
As ranged cannon glass musket player still use tumbler foot over natures wrath did some testing was getting more damage with tumbler talking about 4-6K power shot XD but i did test wrath with FS it boost damage a lot , nice videos mate keep it up
Very nice!
I wouldn't like tumblers on a musket, I'd rather go with attuned pants.
But I use wrath with musket, 100 con, 5 harness, 5 void dmg runeglasses and void dmg on my ring with the abyss as my 2nd weapon.
I hit harder now, consistently, than I did pre S5
@@tango2327 mate spears everywhere bleed everywhere use finsher as second weapon and see the different in the damage btw i play 25 S 400 Dex 25 Con and the rest on Intel every normal hit on light and medum players from 2k-4k damage i use ice runeglasses cuz sometime i swap finsher with deepfreez
@@tango2327 also i have to do more deep testing on wrath maybe i did put wrong gear or attributes swap intel and dex see what give better Cuz dex line is full of timed empower
Runeglasses on weapons give some extra debuffs I think. Maybe try/test it out (different damage types on the weapons for extra damage) :)
I think with Sin you should think about using Keen Berserk now. 20% attack increase with zerk plus 25% with keen zerk when active with the increased crit chance to add debuffs. So 45% boost with zerk with refreshing move also, add torrent to the armor with a couple extra refreshings your dealing 45% extra damage most of the time. Use Natures Wrath artifact and now you are doing 65% damage with keen zerk. Also using the throwing axe buff(Hurling Force) for distance throws while zerking, I don't think that is labeled as an empower, will be crazy...I hope. ;) This all with using Wrath though. Other wise I guess a gem slot. I take it you are eating con food to raise your con to 150? You showed your attributes without food intake.
Yeah I think I could definitely swap some perks in the future to try out, I like the ideas you've got! I do think refreshing torrent would he worth it with how much I've been using it. I'll have to look into keen berserk as well. And yes, I have been running 150 con with food and even bumped it up to 200 with success as well.
if youre going with bleed dots wouldnt empower build do more? or maybe the speedy sandels, 10% base dmg increase while hasted and u can still use empower. with natures wrath ur elemental dmg gets boosted from runeglass etc however bleed is limited to the 20% from natures only. Since you built for nature tho how about venom spear with coup perk on? ive got this build and doing 2k ticks ona dummy hitting coup and skewer, works really well for me :D(i use shirking empower and if im brawling im having 100% uptime for 30% empower) playing as assasin itll take a couple dodges to come online but its useful when fighting against medium+heavy users. I also overcap empower a bit with my build since a lot of medium spear players use perf and skewer weaken so it works as a counter to it. i find with natures wrath as soon as you get weakened the whole strenght of the piece is quite negated, yeah u can dodge and kite ppl but as soon as someones using a flail on the enemy youre kinda forced into it. I also thought, instead of max upgrading skewer, you could get the perk that increases debuff durations one a crit then you can afford the 5% crit on light upgrade then :)
Light armor melee with ga bb is wild. My burst damage even without nature's wrath is insane.
Ive been running a near identical build since the start of S5. Have you tried slotting more into the right side of hatchet using infected throw and social distance, keeping berserk? The root is pretty handy and I find torrent hard to hit rn with all the de-sync. The right side mastery perk also fits in well with the build.
I havent tested to know for sure but I believe runeglasses on the weapons that apply burn, poison, etc are also counting as debuffs.
Great video thanks for sharing
Social distancing can definitely work with the build, but I typically will use the other artifact hatchet for a heavier throwing build. Torrent is also really nice with the blooddrinker ring for some quick bursts of health. It seems like Sin is a pretty solid weapon with various ways to build it
so what spear "empowers" still work with nature wrath, and which dont..? does the +30% damage ultimate right side point work f.e? i take it the skewer empower doesnt work? i dont have the natures wrath, to test out everthing. it will only be really strong on some weapons, and basically we will need to test every lil thing, to see whats up with it..
I'm still testing individual weapons/perks but in general, any empowerment that is applied to your character for a period of time will expire immediately. Unless it's tied to an ability/perk like oblivion with void or leadership perk with SnS. For spear, the right tree should work since it's a damage increase based on debuffs being applied to the enemy so there's no actual timed empowerment connected to the damage increase. Hatchets berserk seemes like a timed empowerment, but since it's actually a damage increase that stays with for the duration of the ability, it will not expire like a regular empowerment would with nature's wrath.
If ur melee stay tumbler you will dodge attacks a lot and its 1 sec cd 25 fortify and 15 emp percent plus a small heal is no brainer stick to the weapons that u came up with. Controller users def need tumbler
been running sin/spear with triple bleed but without nature wrath yet, lots of fun and damage too, cant imagine how much bleed per tick with nature wrath lol
It's very fun! I'm enjoying it more than most melee builds I've run.
Love to see the blood drinker being used
I've been enjoying blood drinker quite a bit lately!
@@aquarister same I feel like if your not running with a 5 stack then it’s definitely nice to have! Specially when you have some good tech, but I enjoyed your video! With the blood drinker and deff look forward to more. Feel free to check me out as well!
any benefit to using nature harnessing/damage over other elemental harnessing/damage with this setup?
I already had some nature harnessing gear from my musket build that worked for it and I've always been a fan of nature damage for some reason lol
Have a question guy
Retaliate (jasper gem) can use with nature’s wrath?
I have not personally tested that yet, but I'll have to sometime.
@@aquarister ok master if you test today pls tell me thx sir.