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You should have tested the pump version they make of this shotgun IMO. They can be had for 199 😉 Mines actually held up very well so far with no cycling issues. And I've used the 3 inch shells to break it in...the 2.75 inch shells cycle easier of course
No Turkish Delight here JR II. The Escort is more like a jive turkey that can’t even speak jive. In fact the old lady in Airplane the Movie has more jive. And that charging handle…if I were an infantryman along the front hunting drones and lost the charging handle 12’ over yonder in a thicket of Kiev Chicken Ivy I’d be cursing Zelenskyy to upgrade to homemade PVC potato cannons. Beretta or Mossberg are the best boom sticks imo. Awesome 500 round test tho. Thanks for posting! PS, if you’re giving out fun things I’m in.
If this was a pass, then I'm not sure what a failure would be. I knew it was gonna be bad but not *that* bad. If cost if a concern, give our boys in Ukraine some good old fashioned pump-action. Even better, I'm sure the Marine's armories have some clapped out M1014s that could use replacing
Every soldier should train with this weapon. Its ability to 'simulate' various failures they may encounter with their actual service weapon is unparalleled.
LoL. As a UA gunsmith, I can tell you WHY thoise Turkish abominations are so popular. Our warriors were using boom sticks against the drones since late 2022. We have tried every possible semi-auto shotgun. And the experience conclusion was as follows - Mag fed, short enough to be used from a car/trench, legal for civilians, cheap, serviceable and lots of spare parts. Boys chose BTS-12 because you can make five shots in two seconds. And it is cheap. However, this device breaks if you run it fast. its hull is VERY thin. As for reliability, our local workshops produce special anti-drone ammo designed to work with BTS-12 and KSG. Needless to say that with all those semi-auto shotguns, you have to use a special ammo or you will die.
@@cheater00 Ammo specialties are: plastic container form, pellets weight\form size, shell crimp type and size, powder weight. Experimentally set to work with the cheapest Turkish devices. Google Дрон Хантер 12К Even ruskies have one in their arsenal Google Патрон Перехват 12/70 But they use bola on a string style projectiles. And 3K is NOT a budget for both sides. No one is aiming higher than 500. If you can not do it cheap then there is no sense to do it at all cause the next price step in the price is the electronic countermeasures device.
Interesting and informative. I suspected the procurement decisions were similar, but it's good to see them being confirmed. I suspect the inexpensive nature of the shotgun makes it nearly disposable too, so if something happens to it (shrapnel damage, dropped under vehicle wheel, etc) it's not a big deal.
@@cowboypresable Most common fixes are: extractor\firing pin\mag latch\trigger sear. If any other issue happens then those shotguns are simply tossed away.
tbf, you'd have a round in the chamber when you're fielding with this. Seems problems generally are related to loading fresh mag and letting gun accept it.
On the other hand the gun you have is better than the one you don't, and turkey is a (relatively) short skip across the black sea with cheap shotguns available to sell. What are you gonna do if Italy doesn't offer up shipments of M4s?
It seems like a lot of failures were the result of the spacing between the top of the mag and feeding rail. I can't imagine it will work better once it gets some trench dirt/mud in it.
@@AmaraTheBarbarian Idk maybe one of the plethora of pump actions on the market that are similarly priced but far more tested and reliable. Them getting a piece of shit that jams constantly when they got billions of dollars from the US isn’t something you should be making excuses for. To be fair, I could give a shit less about Ukraine more pissed my tax dollars went to this.
It has been said (and some companies stipulate) that Turkish shotguns required a break-in period of about 100 rounds of heavy loads before it starts to function properly. If that's the case then either the company should do this before selling, or should include the ammo necessary, or adjust the price accordingly.
Or the shotgunner should "break in" himself... familiarise himself with the shotgun and all it's quirks and features.... plus learn how to clean it properly
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk And still, that's a lot of time, effort, and money to get it ready for non-error usage. How many other products have/will you willingly purchase(d) knowing that you would/will have to put that kind of energy into getting it ready?!
@@craigjohnson4302 The soldiers issued this shotgun would be only too interested in shooting his weapon on a clay target range to "get their eye in" before the drones come at them for real. You would find any soldier would empty 4 boxes of shells in an hour to "get good" as their lives would depend on it! The smart soldiers would insist on 8 hours of practice...and they already know the value of keeping their weapons clean.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk That's a whole different point. First of all, would the military be interested in a gun that requires a considerable break-in period?! Secondly, wouldn't soldiers rather practice with a gun that can be relied on right out of the box and they don't have to change their ways when the gun changes its ways?! Thirdly, even if they were OK with the above, none of the soldiers are picking up the tab for any of this break-in period. As far as expense goes, the Gov is picking up the tab for all of it, so what the hell do they care?!
@@craigjohnson4302 Exactly. The gun that saves their lives is one they have "broken in", cleaned well, and has the Ukrainian developed anti drone ammo. All of which doesn't apply to the guy trying out this shotgun straight out of the box.
Or the shotgun you buy when you dont exoect it to last 500 rounds before its inevitably deatroyed from artillery or some other combat loss. Plenty of cheap guns have been pushed out in combat for this reason
@@theimmortal4718 There's a difference between "cheap" and "falling apart". Plenty of cheap guns have been used in combat. Not many guns that disassemble themselves when used have stuck around too long though.
@@peepeepoopoo42069 Yeah, not the best choice, but I'm sure a competent gunsmith could make enough changes to the guns to fix most of the problems. Possibly true with ammo selection, as well. High brass goose ammo would be the best choice, probably. The overall idea of compact, light, semi auto, with a longer barrel gun that can be carried as a secondary is a solid idea. Turkish guns might suck balls, but I don't think they're a lost cause if a weapons depot was able to take some thought into how to successfully modify them and select proper ammo for the task.
@@matthewhammond859 Because the FAA classes drones like any other aircraft, thus you might be in quite alot of legal trouble shooting one that is flying.
This blaster just needs a little tweaking and it will fire without fail. modify the magazine jaws (so that the cartridges are horizontal), you need to keep the magazines full for a week so that the spring shrinks (from the box, the magazine springs are too stiff). Polishing the chamber at the point where the cartridges are fed. I have this gun in Ukraine, and after the modifications described above, it shoots flawlessly.
Birds fly straight and predictable. Drones don't. Also birds don't charge you with intent to kill. Moreover, the latest drones fire cones of shrapnel from distance.
@@Frumious_Jabberwocky Most of the drones used are commercial drones. They don't have the maneuverability to be able to dodge or laterally move very quickly at all. The FPV drones are small, fixed wing aircraft. They can only move forward and have no lateral movement at all. They change their angle of attack to move like an airplane or bird. FPV drones field of view is also only forward, so the operators aren't doing crazy maneuvers as they can only see what's in front of them and they risk losing connection with the drone doing such maneuvers. There's also jamming going on so you need to ensure your drone is pointing at the target in-case you get jammed and lose connection so that the drone becomes a dumb-bomb at that point and still hits its target. As to the birds charging you thing, hope you never experience what a magpie is. These shotguns aren't being deployed to take out the larger drones, they're mostly to take out the small hand-launched drones and grenade dropping versions that need to get relatively close due to small/short relative optical range. You aren't shooting down a larger Shahed or anti-vehicle FPV drone with a shotgun before it kills you.
I have one of the same shotguns. Out of the box the 1st round fired but didn't cycle. The second round shot fine. Third round didn't cycle the next round. Excluding the 1st and 3rd rounds I've never had another failure of any kind in 4 years of owning it. And I've ran some trash ammo thru it trying to get it to not cycle. It even cycles ultra light low brass ammo. I love mine but maybe I got lucky.
Just a historical note: Although the Germans did threaten to execute Americans who were in possession of shotguns or shotgun ammo as the Germans argued these weapons to be a violation of The Hague Convention, thus making their users war criminals that were not entitled to the normal protections afforded to POW's, there was never any report of the threat being followed through with. American soldiers captured with shotguns in the 4 months between its introduction and the end of the war reported being treated the same as other POWs. Interestingly enough, the diplomatic protest was not the result of any reports of the effectiveness of the weapon, but rather fears of its ineffectiveness. After the Germans captured a couple of Americans carrying shotguns and reported the "outdated weapon" to the German high command, the German government argued that shotgun buckshot would maim, but not kill quickly, at further ranges, thus causing unnecessary suffering which they viewed as a violation of The Hague Convention. We of course pointed out the various weapons that the Germans used which maimed, but did not kill quickly (Chlorine gas, sawtooth bayonets, flamethrowers, etc...), and insisted that we would continue using the shotgun as the pellets were essentially similar to a .32 caliber pistol which was not considered a violation of The Hague convention. Overall it was a moot point as the war ended so soon after.
It's not a factor of maiming. Maiming implies surviving but disfigurement or loss of limb. It was due to lethality. The inability to repair and save a person sent back for medical treatment. It wasn't about how quickly someone died. You take a 7mm or 8mm round to the gut and that's a death that could take hours to die without medical attention. It was the fact that the damage was so extensive, that they were effectively unsavable. Getting shot outside of its effective range results in a .38 spl hit. Getting in within its effective range results in a much tighter, multiple hits of .38 spl turning that area to mince-meat. If you somehow survived the initial hit because it wasn't well placed, you were pretty much guaranteed to be dead because it was pretty much unfixable. Shotguns within their effective range were seen as essentially 100% lethal. Similar to the sawtooth bayonets. Even if you survived the initial stabbing, the damage done to the flesh made it almost impossible to operate and you were a guaranteed death. If the measuring stick was merely suffering, explosives would have been outlawed centuries ago. Being just outside of the effective range blast radius can leave you with multiple ruptured organs that could take days to die and is essentially unfixable. We essentially invented a whole classification of weapons designed to harness the fact that water mostly displaces instead of compresses and most of our bodies are water.
The sawtooth bayonet is the most ironic "weapon" mentioned, because it was also used as a example of brutality, but ironically, the intent of the saw teeth wasn't as a weapon at all, it was a circumstantial side effect of it being first a tool, and second a bayonet. Sawtooth bayonets and short swords go way back to at least the 1700s, used by artillery crews or field engineers, with the intent of cutting brush and tree branches to set up firing positions. It was as simple as, we need saws to cut stuff, and we need pokey metal bits to fight with close in if need be, why not combine them together so we don't have to carry 2 separate tools.
@@Varangian11101to me that makes no sense. Ummm, yeah we don't like that you ceded from the US and ohh by the way when we declare war on you and come and try to take the land back we don't like how well your shotguns kill. Like what? LMFAO 🤣.
Turkish shotguns take 50 to 100 rounds of heavy loads to "break in" the action After this point malfunctions are much less likely This is what it says in the owners manual if you had read it Nobody does
If this is mandatory to make the shotgun work without failure, then either the company should do this before selling, or should include the ammo, or adjust the price accordingly.
@@craigjohnson4302for militaries you can train with the gun then send it with the soldier, teaches you about jams and how to clear them, it is the perfect weapon! - some Turkish gun designer
Thank you for doing this. I just bought one of these and have only ran about 20 rounds through it. I didn't expect much from the shotgun, honestly it just looked fun to shoot, but it looks like it held up pretty well for a semi auto box fed.
Chatted to someone about this, the biggest issue Ukraine is having with shotguns is available quantities, they need hundreds of thousands of shotguns yesterday but none of the 'good' manufacturers can churn out half a million magazine fed shotguns in short order. For 100 years shotguns were a specialist weapon primarily for the civilian market with military orders being in low quantities. Now they need to be standard issue for every infantry squad but almost none of the production lines have been able to spool up to cope with demand apart from these cheap Turkish ones. The idea is to rush the BTS12 to every infantry squad as fast as possible and allow troops to individually purchase their own guns later, its not ideal but more lives will be saved that way.
Assuming they need the cheapest guns available that are at least functional, and assuming they change their mind about box mags, how long before they start buying Maverick 88s from the American civilian market?
@@judsongaiden9878 Box mags are absolutely essential requirement for this role due to reload speed. FPVs are so numerous and recon drone cameras so good that if you had a tube fed shotgun the enemy can simply expend enough drones until they can see you manually reloading the shells before going in to kill either you or your squadmates.
Very thorough assessment other than the fact that the Ukrainian government doesn't give two craps about the mass casualties they are experiencing on the ground. Ukraine has lost there is no other way around it any other person telling you different is either lying to you or in denial or just doesn't have the right information.
The Defence Blog article that James cites in the begining of the video is misleading; the shotguns were purchaced independently by a drone hunting brigade, not as a standard weapon by the Ukranian military. The Defence post article links to another article which states: "The unit spent some time testing how it is to shoot down drones with shotguns in combat conditions. They started with ordinary double-barrels. Practice has shown that it works. Hatsan Escort was chosen as the best option. And the brigade commander made a decision to purchase such rifles." The link from the orginal article is contained in the highlighted "Hastan BTS12" hyperlink. (UA-cam does not want me to post a coment with the link)
Keep your propaganda articles to yourself. We know the only reason *anyone* purchases Turkish firearms is because they have a terrible drug habit that consumes the rest of their funds. Looking at Zelenskyy here.
Yep. So much of the Ukrainian effort is grassroots. If our government has focused 1% of the first aid bill to remington/Browning.....they'd have shotguns for every platoon for the entire war. Amazes me how we as a nation can throw money/weapons at a problem and fail to address some very cheap, very effective solutions. We could be sending them hundreds of thousands of FPV drones with a little organization, too.
@@chasepalumbo2929 Everyone in the comments is commenting on how they wouldn't want this shotgun to hunt drones which it is being used for either way in Ukraine whether it's generally or by a specific unit. So bad point. *LOL*
1) Old returned ammo for a "test" for a new weapon? 2) No prep of the weapon before pressing a new weapon into service? 3) and best yet, thinks any flat/pan/round head philips bolt is a wood screw?
@@GotTheTeeShirt1 Philips head screws were intended for powered drivers in factory production. They are designed so the bit cams(strips) out, rather than break the tool. Not a suitable trait for any firearm use.
James, the Germans SAID they would consider writing orders that would execute shotgun wielding captives but never got that far as the US responded saying if they even attempted to put such orders to paper every single German POW would be executed for carrying sawback bayonets, it was a deliberately inflammatory overreaction because both sides knew it was complete BS, the shotguns extremely rarely saw frontline deployment let alone combat (there are single digit verified accounts of them being used outside of airfield defense and foraging). It is a largely overblown myth of a series of events that never happened.
The US never threatened to execute any Germans for they bayonets. That was a rumor that was never actually true, despite the some Germans believing it to be true at the time. The US threatened to execute German prisoners for every American soldier executed by the Germans, but it had nothing to do with bayonets.
As a last ditch weapon of war all I can ask is this: is it at least cheap? Because they need all the help they can get. If that’s the best they can do it’s the best they can do. Of course we’re talking about shotguns so I’m certain there was already hundreds of equal or better options, BUT, what about the logistics of the situation. So it’s a hard complex decision. Would I carry this weapon for any reason. No because i am blessed to live in a sheltered society where frankly i never have had need to fire a gun in anger regardless. But for Ukrainian front line units? It might be the best they can do.
That's what I'm saying too. Maybe not pass a burn down test. But if you say. Take it apart and clean it good and keep it lubed. Once it breaks in I bet it will work. Also they will get one maybe 2 shots at a incoming drone. I own a Stevens 320 shotgun and it has worked great over the year. No problem beside being a bit heavy. But it's a pump. Them want to get off a few shots fast. Guns cost a lot and they been fighting Russians for year and are poor. I hope it works for them
Welcome to the Canadian struggle. Nothing . Absolutely nothing with more than 5 rounds in it. Except pistol magazines but we don’t get handguns anymore
Besides the reliability, I think one of the biggest problems with this shotgun is: that these sights are very bad for shooting flying targets out of the air.
Yeah combat sights are literally the worst thing for flying targets. I regularly shoot a 90~/100 on a clay course with my X400, but I got to shoot a 1301 this weekend with combat sights and couldn’t hit a thing (exaggeration but you get the idea)
It has a pic rail...why wouldn't you *use it* if you were doing anything more important than punching holes in paper? You're not married to the irons that come on the gun.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 You really trying to cope for this piece of shit? With the reliability why would you use it for “anything serious.” And yea Ukraine totally skimped and bought this piece of shit just to spend more money for a sight. It’s okay if you bought one, but a military shouldn’t have.
Stoeger is very different, produced in Turkey but they are owned by Benelli if I remember correctly. Welcome to Turkey we can make a fifth generation fighter jet but not a properly functioning shotgun lol
Because the mag release is behind your right hand by your wrist, so you need to hold the gun against your shoulder with your left hand and let go with your right hand to push the button with your right thumb as you grip the mag and pull it out. Ambi controls allows you to do it with your left hand. 🎯 Try using the gun for five minutes and you’ll understand why.
For a mere $400, that actually performed far better than I expected. The designs of Turkish shotguns are usually pretty sound, but they are made on the cheap, so they almost always have problems that a few of hours of knowledgeable labor and some decent tools could work out, but that would probably add a Benjamin or two to the price tag. The old adage that you get what you pay for is not suspended for foreign firearms. There are high-end Turknellis that run pretty damn well, but that is because the main parts are imported, and they are polished, fitted, and assembled in the States. But those could cost you $1,200+, which is significantly less than a Benelli M4, but still not as affordable as a 590 or 870.
@cstarr3240 I got mine for 350 and it hasn't really done anything TOO bad yet. The charging handle decided to spread its wings and fly on me one day out of the blue and the decorative barrel shoud comes unscrewed from the vibration but neither of those things have led to anything catastrophic in the 500 rounds I've put through it. I bought the black aces FD12 btw
hello, I use a similar shotgun as a toy for shooting ranges: Armkson Stm 12, the problem with feeding bullets may result from bad magazines, the twin magazines are for the Typhoon 12 shotgun, but Armkson does not work with them, even though they are visually the same, the shape of the spring is similar, but those for Typhoon have a different spring tension they probably are not able to get the cartridge into the chamber. It would be best to ask the Ukrainians if their equipment works or if they have any problems, because they are probably the best practitioners at the moment. This shotgun has one advantage - it is extremely cheap and compact, which allows for maneuverability and is very important, for example, in a trench or bushes, and for mine, for example, I have 10-round magazines, in Turkey they are available with 20 rounds, which allows for a large series to shoot down a drone.
The funny thing is when the Turkish military ran a tender for a standard issue shotgun. This manufacturer didnt even qualify to be allowed to send a proposal to enter the competition. None of the civilian manufacturers qualified.
According to ARMSAN's product page, Turkish Military uses ARMSAN RS-S1. I wonder how the results will be with that shotgun. @JamesReeves, why not trying an ARMSAN RS-S1?
@@ec5113 tripoli like I said they bought them and donated to libyan airport authority. This organisation is an official governmental one and existed before the 2020 intervention.
I don't know but I have a feeling he's using "wood screw" figuratively referring to any screw that really doesn't belong in the construction of a gun. I think he just likes saying wood screw because it's an escort lol
@@dgunearthed7859 shouldn't be a problem. These days most plastic crap is designed to only require one length of screw. Idiot proof - well, besides the buyer of course.
These Turkish shotguns are cheaper because they aren't fine finished. The tolerances of the chamber are too tight. You need to take the barrel out and polish the chamber so the shells don't stick going in and ejecting out. That is why they have the break in period. If you polish the chamber the break in period isn't needed.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 Yes I do. I think my current collection is above 80 guns rn. I'd bet that I've owned and operated more firearms than you. That being said, I've never encountered one with a reciprocating charging handle that was held in by nothing more than pressure. Usually there's another part that locks it in if it's removable. Stick to bow and arrow.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 Do you have any idea how bad your engineers must be if they put a reciprocating charging handle on a semi auto 12 gauge that's not held in by anything else besides some pressure? Please name one other firearm that has a reciprocating charging handle that you can just pull off without disassembling any other part of the rifle. I'll wait...
I have been buying, tuning, and upgrading these Turkish imports since the MKA 1919. I have at least one version of most of them. Out of the box, most function about like the one in this video. I do "bench break-ins" on most of mine. I have dies to correctly form the magazine lips, and to free followers when the magazines are over formed. I have a couple of Hatsan Escorts, and my 410 also tossed the charging handle. Customer Service DID respond, and sent me a replacement handle free of charge. I am not going to break down models and branding, but some are consistently more reliable than others. While I have experienced QC issues from minor to deal breaker, with most, some are simply poorly engineered. Turkish imports are generally a tinkerers gun, or a gamblers game in my experience. Note: Most of the issues seen were caused by the magazine running high. I have adjusted many magazines lock positions. These guns will tolerate a lot of magazine slop, but riding high always look like this video.
Hi, I'm from Turkey, and need a Mag fed shotgun for home defense. Can you recommend my a Turkish brand one(imports are really hard to get here) that is reliable or at least easy to make reliable? (EDIT: A Bullpup would be preferable, as it's for home defense.)
@Doan84 The most consistent semi-auto Bullpup shotguns I run have been Black Aces and Panzer (Gen 2)... I have others, but reliability varies too much. Note that those are the US importer assigned names, and could be different in the country of origin.
@@TheRealMrBlackCat Thx for the reply. I did some searching, and it seems both guns you recommended are from the same manufacturer: Final Arms(former name Kariyer Arms) The Black Aces FD12 is sold here as Kariyer FD12 and the Panzer Arms as Kariyer FD20
I’ve hunted birds and shot skeet my whole life and always wonder why people say shotguns don’t work for drones. They have to slow down to target, and I’m pretty sure those rotors go down a lot easier than a duck. I bet you could pop stationary drones at 60+yrds with #2 pretty easy. I have to assume just keeping an old turkey gun around could never hurt.
I am flying drones, and I can tell you that they crash easily. Even a small leaf or twig hit by one of the propellers brings them out of balance and crash. It's absolutely not required to smash them up completely-a small damage is enough to make them go down.
you're absolutely correct!!! Its so frustrating when you see modern technology not working and you think....well, we already had a simple working answer for that decades ago...DUH!!!.
You've been proven correct. There are quite a few videos now of shotguns being used to successfully shoot down drones or detonate them in midair. I admit I was wrong, since I originally thought they wouldn't have the effective range to take out the drones before they hit.
Shotguns are still the most versatile firearm out there. Can be used on damn near anything, from birds to bears. Also, this test demonstrates the problems with semi-auto shotguns really well. The thing clearly has a recoil spring that's too light, but I'm betting they couldn't make it any heavier due to having to be able to cycle with 2-3/4 bird loads and the like.
I love the Flite Control ammo. Cylinder bore at 40 yards with standard 00 Buck maybe one pellet will hit the silhouette paper. Switch to Federal #1 buck with Flite Control and at 50 yards all the pellets can be coverd by my palm. Followup shots confirm that's the way they shoot. Really incredible. IMHO the best advance in shotshells since plastic.
What’s amazing to me is nobody had this idea until now. The first days of the conflict I was thinking. “Why doesn’t every unit have at least 1 guy with a shot gun loaded with bird shot? Preferably an experienced hunter or skeet shooter.” And I’m from the UK, we don’t even have easy access to guns and I thought of that. 🤷🏻♂️
As someone who hunts teal and wood ducks, seeing the speeds of the fpv drones, the height of the isr drones, plus their ability to see you aiming at them, makes me feel like a shotgun is a Hail Mary when you’re down and out…. Drones are just real life griefers
It may be that the payload of the drones somewhat slows them when used in the way Ukrainians and Russians are using them so perhaps it's a bit more than a hail mary
@@3.142-x3b drones don’t put off enough of a thermal signature for those to be relevant. Plus, on flying targets like that one, a clunky optic of any kind would be massively disadvantageous when trying to track and shoot. A typical shotgun rail bead would be better
Military UA-camr Ryan McBeth has a video tackling this topic. Pretty much what you said. The drones’ speed vs. the max effective range of a shotgun and its shooter’s ability to spot the drone means the shotgunner will barely have time to shoot.
@@javierpatag3609 That's probably true, but I'd say that having barely any time to take the drone down is better than having no defense against one at all.
"My channel is officially nerdier than...." ...oh, this superlative should reveal James' insight into various realms of nerd-dom in order for this joke to achieve maximum impact... "...Hop's." Nailed it.
What a horrible choice for combating drones. Besides the obvious issues, a conventionally configured shotgun is gonna have much better swing characteristics. Would've been better off with Mavericks. Also I really like the touch of the music stopping every time the gun does, good job editor
Russia uses Saiga and Vepr 12 effectively in this role. Yet, Ukraine bought these? I guess they also bought the Turkish TB2 drone, which Russia figured out how to jam like 2 weeks into the war and we never saw them again.
I feel like these "turd-ish" companies are taking full advantaged of Ukraine's desperate need. They know full well that their shotties are full of turd but they want to score fast cash from Ukraine's desperate need. I agree with you on the Mavericks. Hell man..maybe even a Joe Biden double barrel special might be better than these turd import shotties.
This is government level corruption how it looks like. They make “business” indirectly killing their own troops. A perfect recipe to a lost war. No wonder they so fiercely support the same level corrupt “democrats”.
I'm sure that if you read the manual and do whatever it says to do before using it for the first time, and also to keep the gun working, like, cleaning it, and lubricating whatever they point out, and wherever they say not to, it'd perform at least a notch better. And at this point, it doesn't even matter if that particular shotgun isn't the best. The fact that everyone shows the gun's clear on camera as a way of keeping people in touch with such an important fact, should come along with the RTFM bit of advice as well. How many people know that all manuals come with the warning: "All firearms may fire when dropped", for example? Thanks for the vid. Gonna buy one of those now.
I own the AR model of this gun.....it must always be lubed heavily with oil not gun cleaners and generally is able to eject and feed all high brass rounds using the 2, 5 rd mags provided from Hatsan. There is an issue with other aftermarket mags....I have tried Panzer Mags and needed to stretch the springs to create greater tension which seems to fix the problem. Do not try to use old mags as well. There is also a "recoil" pad at the base of the barrel...which I added a thin layer of hard foam to which also helped cycle some lighter rounds. but in general it will not consistently cycle lighter bird shot rounds..under gassed.
I fell for one of those $200 bullpup Turkish shotguns. I knew they were crap, but I felt confident I'd be able to make it work. So here we are 4 years later and I'm about ready for my annual attempt to try to make it run.
So how far down do you strip it and clean it before each seasonal attempt to make it work for you? Hey I found a bolt broken but still only intermittently jamming so the butt needed to be mortared onto the ground to release the whole mechanism and eject even a live round...new bolt provided free of charge by manufacturer. That fault just took a complete disassembly looking for cracks. burrs etc.... Now it is flawless... Is the one you bought adjustable re gas off take ? ( I had one that needed one of the two gas ports in the barrel slightly drilled to get it to the same diameter as the other,..hard to see or do at the angle required but gas actions requires gas to operate effectively and reliably) What failures do you have: F to feed (polish out the entire chamber with scotchbrite pads on the end of a forked holder in a battery operated drill chuck to get rid of all plastic and carbon residue) F to fire (light primer strike caused by shell hanging in rough unpolished chamber so when the firing pin strikes the shell gets pushed forward instead of being held tightly and the primer struck hard) F to extract (take that extractor to bits and clean it...make sure to spring is the correct one and the hole it operates in is cleaned and burr free) F to eject (gas passages/gas piston cleaned...ejector in correct position and in good condition..extractor claw sharp, unbroken, unburred All mechanical things are a system...you just need to find the faults.....and correct them.
How close are enemy drones in a possible engagement scenario? I would think you don't need 3" 00 but more like 3" 0 or down to #5? I can't imagine engaging enemy drones past 100-150yds. At least 24" barrel maybe but does one go smooth or rifled?
I've personally never done it but I will say that a local well known gun shop I frequent claims that all the Turkish shotguns they get in that they polish and debur all the main parts prior to all sales and have none come back. I plan to buy one and try it before and after a mirror polish. Very curious on how well it truly works. May be worth a shot in some of the popular bullpup shotties.
I bought two 1301 clones. One ran fine, the other had all sorts of problems. After taking it apart and polishing the lockup mechanism, it hasn't missed a beat. Point being, expect to disassemble and polish components... and then, don't expect the gun to be combat grade.
Very similar to the Charles Daly NS4. I've had one now for about 3 years. It will ONLY run with 3" magnum shells. Had issues with the first ~25 rounds - FTF, FTL, FTE, etc. But after a thorough cleaning & lube - all works well. Cycled about 60 round through it since with no issues.
I bought a Turkish made 12 Gauge Tristar Bullpup as a tractor gun for my rural homestead property for $500.00 a few years ago. It's not high dollar and it has it's drawbacks, but it does what I want it to, when I need it to. Would I want it as a combat shotgun? Definitely not my first choice, but it packs a helluva wallop and can get the job done. It's maneuverable and comfortable to shoot. I added a light, Vortex red dot and inexpensive laser for when quick action is needed. Best part is that I don't have to be overly careful with it, damn gun has taken a beating and still works great.
I purchased one about a year ago. I put over 200 through with one 1 failure to eject. Did you tighten the barrel nut before firing? Mine came with a note to tighten the barrel nut.
Probably not as the first thing you do is dissemble, clean and oil the firearm. One needs to follow directions included and realize that a 400 dollar gun is not a Beretta 682 Gold E, a Kolar or a Perazzi. Plus who just loads up returned ammo without inspecting it then fires it.
i remember buying a HATSAN ESCORT SLUGGER. The first thing I did was take it completely apart and check for manufacturing flaws. One item I swapped out was the plastic mag tube follower for a CNC machined one. Then lubed it up and ran some rounds.
Your channel is going to be big ,brother.. keep it going man, If they could just fix that one jamming issue it would be a decent gun. It cracks me up how you stop the music everytime it jams😅
shotguns i think are one of the most underrated weapons of the 21st century.. they can handle just about anything, birdshot for drones, slugs for armor, and regular old fashion for soft targets.
I bought a Turkish 16 ga. SxS from Cabela's gun shop years ago. Beautiful gun, but Cabela's lied about the features it had. NOT steel shot rated. NOT fixed chokes. The chambers were cut at the extreme limit of tolerance. That means the 16 ga. hulls, once fired, are so oversized they can't be easily resized to fit my 16 ga. Browning which has a nominal diameter chamber. (The industry doesn't sell brass based 16 ga. hulls, which makes resizing the hulls difficult.). Also the blued barrels turned plum color in a year. And warranty? The company failed to supply a warranty card, and gave me a hard time about getting one. No stateside service. I decided it wasn't worth the risk of sending the gun to Turkey.
For anti drone, since they are all props at the moment, I would fire some kind of chaff to clog up the blades. Like chain shot in old cannons or whatever. Sidenote, it's not a wood screw unless it's pointed, otherwise it's a machine screw, Phillips or whatever.
Every failure (in my opinion) points to bad magazine port geometry. Brandon Herrera pointed out the over-insertion problem with the Sig Spear. Seems like something similar.
Got a Tokarev TBP12. That things super fun. Havent had any issues. Instructions said to run some High Velocity slugs for break in. Oiled her up and put some loctite on screws and ordered 2 extra charging handles (keep one in the handle plug).
Those look like machine screws, not wood screws. All the hex head screws on guns are machine screws too. The reason they would use a phillips head machine screw is because anything remotely phillip shaped will tighten most phillips machine screws. A hex head machine screw can only be tightened by the correct size hex driver so if you don't have it you are screwed, or most likely not screwed.
All very true, but honestly, Phillips head is the *worst* for anything that needs to be taken apart and reassembled, or even retightened. Flat head would be better, if you want something you can operate with minimal/improvised tools. Of course, a decent threadlocker would prevent things like the bolt release coming loose....
@@lonewolftek Totally agree with ya there. The only thing a phillips head has over a flat head is when a gorilla over tightens the flat head it can snap the head in half. A Phillips just strips the center so it's a little easier to drill out. I've spent too much time with an impact screwdriver on old Japanese bikes.
Watching Hasselhoff aggressively gesture, so naturally, so practiced even, with his hand in front of his mouth was the highlight of this video for me too!
I don't know why anyone even bothers with anything else other then Mossberg. It seems like they're the only shotgun makers that are not trying to sell a gimmick instead a normal gun that shoots as it's supposed to.
@@tomislavobrovac3257 I see the point you’re making. I will say I love my a300 and I liked my 1301. Nothing wrong with the maverick at all. I recommended it to a buddy who has more money than me and he loves it. If I were buying a pump I’d get the maverick and be done with it.
@@LFDNC I really like the 500 all purpose bantam model, the 12 ga with 26 inch barrel. I'm a about to fit it with a F.A.B defense furniture. It's just perfect for people of smaller frame like me. But, as far as pump guns go I don't even bother looking at other shotguns.
I made the mistake of buying a Taurus gx4 for my concealed to carry and after three times sending it back to the factory still had the same problem after they told me no problem found and after watching Your Excellence contents I think I've only seen you have one Turkish shotgun that actually worked lol thank you for your excellent content of the people for the people and by the people
When breaking in a new shotty, I always start with the hotter, high brass rounds, then move down to the low brass. You really want to break it in with full-power loads first. That said, of the many shotguns I own, not one is made in Turkey.
7:38 He's wearing sunglasses yet I can still see the sheer resignation and disappointment in his eyes. 😂 "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
I've had this shotgun for about 5 years now. I definitely haven't had issues like this but as soon as I got it I bought some Panzer mags and I slightly sanded down the magwell because of that tight fit. Works fine
GunShorts is the best talking guntuber. Most would use plethora, the worst English word, where stubbly cheeks uses smattering, smorgasbord and cornucopia.
Good video. Did you check the manual about what ammo to do the break in with? Also, some of them need a different gas piston for the faster loads. The manual warns the gun may be damaged without the right gas piston. These guns are ammo sensitive. I have a bull pup and AR-15 type that work with the manual specified ammo just fine after break in. The 5 shot mags will work with anything but the ten round mags need 2 and 3/4 in with star crimps. The roll crimps are a little too long and will hang up. Standard 2 and 3/4 in OO buck 9 pellet loads at 1325 fps with star crimps will work great IME. I know this sounds crazy, but with that one I would lock the bolt open and leave it for a month. Then retest with the specified loads.
The problem is not that the Russians or the Ukrainians don't have anti-drone shotguns. They have plenty of those. The problem is that as you stand up and try and use it, - as the 6-7 FPV drones are distracting you, and prompting you to fire at them or go after them, - the 8th drone sneaks up on you from behind and takes your head clean off your shoulders. Do you have any idea how many shotgun enthusiasts like that were buried by both sides? The drones just keep on coming and now you have Russian "Terminator" tracked land drones with aircraft speed cannons and high caliber machine guns fighting Ukrainian FPV drones in the air. You need to work on something better.
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My buddy snuck some turkey loads on me and my charging handle disappeared lol
That teversible charging handle gonna go bye bye if you run those 3inchers lol
Most of the degenerates here want a different Ukrainian Escort.
You should have tested the pump version they make of this shotgun IMO. They can be had for 199 😉 Mines actually held up very well so far with no cycling issues. And I've used the 3 inch shells to break it in...the 2.75 inch shells cycle easier of course
No Turkish Delight here JR II. The Escort is more like a jive turkey that can’t even speak jive. In fact the old lady in Airplane the Movie has more jive. And that charging handle…if I were an infantryman along the front hunting drones and lost the charging handle 12’ over yonder in a thicket of Kiev Chicken Ivy I’d be cursing Zelenskyy to upgrade to homemade PVC potato cannons. Beretta or Mossberg are the best boom sticks imo. Awesome 500 round test tho. Thanks for posting! PS, if you’re giving out fun things I’m in.
Stopping music on failures was a stellar edit.
it's easily my favorite part of the whole video.
And the shotguns brand name is like a kpop stalker, so fitting
haha, almost commented the same thing
Considering all of the failures, that was a lot of editing.
Made me lol too when I realized what was going on
The revised definition of insanity: continuing to test Turkish shotguns and expecting different results.
Canik should make a shotgun just to fuck with us.
Oh, this result was definitely expected 😂
If this was a pass, then I'm not sure what a failure would be. I knew it was gonna be bad but not *that* bad.
If cost if a concern, give our boys in Ukraine some good old fashioned pump-action. Even better, I'm sure the Marine's armories have some clapped out M1014s that could use replacing
@@904HB Touché
Is James the only person QC'ing Turkish shotguns?
Every soldier should train with this weapon. Its ability to 'simulate' various failures they may encounter with their actual service weapon is unparalleled.
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LoL. As a UA gunsmith, I can tell you WHY thoise Turkish abominations are so popular. Our warriors were using boom sticks against the drones since late 2022. We have tried every possible semi-auto shotgun. And the experience conclusion was as follows - Mag fed, short enough to be used from a car/trench, legal for civilians, cheap, serviceable and lots of spare parts.
Boys chose BTS-12 because you can make five shots in two seconds. And it is cheap. However, this device breaks if you run it fast. its hull is VERY thin. As for reliability, our local workshops produce special anti-drone ammo designed to work with BTS-12 and KSG. Needless to say that with all those semi-auto shotguns, you have to use a special ammo or you will die.
in what way is the ammo special?
if you were to get a more expensive shotgun, what would you go with instead? say your budget is $3k
@@cheater00 Ammo specialties are: plastic container form, pellets weight\form size, shell crimp type and size, powder weight. Experimentally set to work with the cheapest Turkish devices.
Google Дрон Хантер 12К
Even ruskies have one in their arsenal
Google Патрон Перехват 12/70
But they use bola on a string style projectiles.
And 3K is NOT a budget for both sides. No one is aiming higher than 500. If you can not do it cheap then there is no sense to do it at all cause the next price step in the price is the electronic countermeasures device.
Interesting and informative. I suspected the procurement decisions were similar, but it's good to see them being confirmed. I suspect the inexpensive nature of the shotgun makes it nearly disposable too, so if something happens to it (shrapnel damage, dropped under vehicle wheel, etc) it's not a big deal.
@@cheater00 Benelli would be a nice selection if it had a mag fed option. Quad loading is not something that you can teach conscripts.
@@cowboypresable Most common fixes are: extractor\firing pin\mag latch\trigger sear. If any other issue happens then those shotguns are simply tossed away.
I don't think it's a far out guess to say that stopping an explosive FPV drone flying at you requires 'no' hiccups. These failures are unacceptable.
In war you cant search youre charging handle!
tbf, you'd have a round in the chamber when you're fielding with this. Seems problems generally are related to loading fresh mag and letting gun accept it.
On the other hand the gun you have is better than the one you don't, and turkey is a (relatively) short skip across the black sea with cheap shotguns available to sell. What are you gonna do if Italy doesn't offer up shipments of M4s?
It seems like a lot of failures were the result of the spacing between the top of the mag and feeding rail. I can't imagine it will work better once it gets some trench dirt/mud in it.
@@AmaraTheBarbarian Idk maybe one of the plethora of pump actions on the market that are similarly priced but far more tested and reliable. Them getting a piece of shit that jams constantly when they got billions of dollars from the US isn’t something you should be making excuses for. To be fair, I could give a shit less about Ukraine more pissed my tax dollars went to this.
It has been said (and some companies stipulate) that Turkish shotguns required a break-in period of about 100 rounds of heavy loads before it starts to function properly. If that's the case then either the company should do this before selling, or should include the ammo necessary, or adjust the price accordingly.
Or the shotgunner should "break in" himself...
familiarise himself with the shotgun and all it's quirks and features....
plus learn how to clean it properly
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk And still, that's a lot of time, effort, and money to get it ready for non-error usage. How many other products have/will you willingly purchase(d) knowing that you would/will have to put that kind of energy into getting it ready?!
@@craigjohnson4302
The soldiers issued this shotgun would be only too interested in shooting his weapon on a clay target range to "get their eye in" before the drones come at them for real.
You would find any soldier would empty 4 boxes of shells in an hour to "get good" as their lives would depend on it!
The smart soldiers would insist on 8 hours of practice...and they already know the value of keeping their weapons clean.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk That's a whole different point. First of all, would the military be interested in a gun that requires a considerable break-in period?! Secondly, wouldn't soldiers rather practice with a gun that can be relied on right out of the box and they don't have to change their ways when the gun changes its ways?! Thirdly, even if they were OK with the above, none of the soldiers are picking up the tab for any of this break-in period. As far as expense goes, the Gov is picking up the tab for all of it, so what the hell do they care?!
@@craigjohnson4302
Exactly.
The gun that saves their lives is one they have "broken in", cleaned well,
and has the Ukrainian developed anti drone ammo.
All of which doesn't apply to the guy trying out this shotgun straight out of the box.
This is the shotgun you buy your brother-in-law that you secretly hate.
Or the shotgun you buy when you dont exoect it to last 500 rounds before its inevitably deatroyed from artillery or some other combat loss.
Plenty of cheap guns have been pushed out in combat for this reason
Why in holy hell would you buy a gun for someone you don't like?
@@smokingcrab2290 so that they fail
@@theimmortal4718 There's a difference between "cheap" and "falling apart". Plenty of cheap guns have been used in combat. Not many guns that disassemble themselves when used have stuck around too long though.
@@peepeepoopoo42069
Yeah, not the best choice, but I'm sure a competent gunsmith could make enough changes to the guns to fix most of the problems. Possibly true with ammo selection, as well. High brass goose ammo would be the best choice, probably.
The overall idea of compact, light, semi auto, with a longer barrel gun that can be carried as a secondary is a solid idea. Turkish guns might suck balls, but I don't think they're a lost cause if a weapons depot was able to take some thought into how to successfully modify them and select proper ammo for the task.
Why was I expecting him to actually attempt to shoot down a drone in the video
You mean why didn't he
@@matthewhammond859 Because the FAA classes drones like any other aircraft, thus you might be in quite alot of legal trouble shooting one that is flying.
@@FirstDagger weak
@@matthewhammond859I'm thinking he chose his words as a rhetorical question. Not a literal one. Maybe he can clarify if you'd like.
@@kittydaddy2023 It would be a federal crime bozo.
This blaster just needs a little tweaking and it will fire without fail. modify the magazine jaws (so that the cartridges are horizontal), you need to keep the magazines full for a week so that the spring shrinks (from the box, the magazine springs are too stiff). Polishing the chamber at the point where the cartridges are fed. I have this gun in Ukraine, and after the modifications described above, it shoots flawlessly.
@James Reeves
Drones are just robot birds, and people have been shooting birds out of the sky with shotguns for a long time.
Birds fly straight and predictable. Drones don't. Also birds don't charge you with intent to kill. Moreover, the latest drones fire cones of shrapnel from distance.
@@Frumious_Jabberwocky Most of the drones used are commercial drones. They don't have the maneuverability to be able to dodge or laterally move very quickly at all. The FPV drones are small, fixed wing aircraft. They can only move forward and have no lateral movement at all. They change their angle of attack to move like an airplane or bird. FPV drones field of view is also only forward, so the operators aren't doing crazy maneuvers as they can only see what's in front of them and they risk losing connection with the drone doing such maneuvers. There's also jamming going on so you need to ensure your drone is pointing at the target in-case you get jammed and lose connection so that the drone becomes a dumb-bomb at that point and still hits its target.
As to the birds charging you thing, hope you never experience what a magpie is.
These shotguns aren't being deployed to take out the larger drones, they're mostly to take out the small hand-launched drones and grenade dropping versions that need to get relatively close due to small/short relative optical range. You aren't shooting down a larger Shahed or anti-vehicle FPV drone with a shotgun before it kills you.
@@Frumious_Jabberwockytry shooting a ruffed grouse in heavy cover and then tell me how straight and predictable it flies.
Birds aren't real
Birds are just robots that spy on you as well
Bullpup Mag-fed?✅
Flutted barrel shroud? ✅
Cheek riser on a straight stock? ✅
Polymer picatinny rail? ✅
Yup, that’s a “tactical” Turkish shotgun.
Why do you need all that for a drone?
Don't forget the stenciled on Keymod!
@@peepeepoopoo42069just about to comment that lol
@@peepeepoopoo42069 that's an essential component
@@surferofthesynthwaves4710 the number one rule of firearms is: no matter what the mission is, look cool while doing it.
I have one of the same shotguns. Out of the box the 1st round fired but didn't cycle. The second round shot fine. Third round didn't cycle the next round. Excluding the 1st and 3rd rounds I've never had another failure of any kind in 4 years of owning it. And I've ran some trash ammo thru it trying to get it to not cycle. It even cycles ultra light low brass ammo. I love mine but maybe I got lucky.
Or maybe you did something silly like cleaning and oiling it
Hey Guys! We just ran more ammo thru this $400 turkish shotgun than the manual says is its service life. Who wants it!?!?
I say they send it back to the frontlines! For yuks! 🙃
no one would want it even if it was brand new, to be fair.
It'd make a cool wall hanger
Great movie prop gun
@@peepeepoopoo42069 I see you commenting here and there like a Russian bot. Only Russians use 🙃this emoji.
Just a historical note: Although the Germans did threaten to execute Americans who were in possession of shotguns or shotgun ammo as the Germans argued these weapons to be a violation of The Hague Convention, thus making their users war criminals that were not entitled to the normal protections afforded to POW's, there was never any report of the threat being followed through with. American soldiers captured with shotguns in the 4 months between its introduction and the end of the war reported being treated the same as other POWs.
Interestingly enough, the diplomatic protest was not the result of any reports of the effectiveness of the weapon, but rather fears of its ineffectiveness. After the Germans captured a couple of Americans carrying shotguns and reported the "outdated weapon" to the German high command, the German government argued that shotgun buckshot would maim, but not kill quickly, at further ranges, thus causing unnecessary suffering which they viewed as a violation of The Hague Convention. We of course pointed out the various weapons that the Germans used which maimed, but did not kill quickly (Chlorine gas, sawtooth bayonets, flamethrowers, etc...), and insisted that we would continue using the shotgun as the pellets were essentially similar to a .32 caliber pistol which was not considered a violation of The Hague convention. Overall it was a moot point as the war ended so soon after.
Thanks for this.
It's not a factor of maiming. Maiming implies surviving but disfigurement or loss of limb. It was due to lethality. The inability to repair and save a person sent back for medical treatment. It wasn't about how quickly someone died. You take a 7mm or 8mm round to the gut and that's a death that could take hours to die without medical attention. It was the fact that the damage was so extensive, that they were effectively unsavable. Getting shot outside of its effective range results in a .38 spl hit. Getting in within its effective range results in a much tighter, multiple hits of .38 spl turning that area to mince-meat. If you somehow survived the initial hit because it wasn't well placed, you were pretty much guaranteed to be dead because it was pretty much unfixable. Shotguns within their effective range were seen as essentially 100% lethal. Similar to the sawtooth bayonets. Even if you survived the initial stabbing, the damage done to the flesh made it almost impossible to operate and you were a guaranteed death. If the measuring stick was merely suffering, explosives would have been outlawed centuries ago. Being just outside of the effective range blast radius can leave you with multiple ruptured organs that could take days to die and is essentially unfixable. We essentially invented a whole classification of weapons designed to harness the fact that water mostly displaces instead of compresses and most of our bodies are water.
The sawtooth bayonet is the most ironic "weapon" mentioned, because it was also used as a example of brutality, but ironically, the intent of the saw teeth wasn't as a weapon at all, it was a circumstantial side effect of it being first a tool, and second a bayonet. Sawtooth bayonets and short swords go way back to at least the 1700s, used by artillery crews or field engineers, with the intent of cutting brush and tree branches to set up firing positions. It was as simple as, we need saws to cut stuff, and we need pokey metal bits to fight with close in if need be, why not combine them together so we don't have to carry 2 separate tools.
Interestingly enough, the Northern US had a similar statement about the shotguns combat use by the Confederacy... History is a circle lol
@@Varangian11101to me that makes no sense. Ummm, yeah we don't like that you ceded from the US and ohh by the way when we declare war on you and come and try to take the land back we don't like how well your shotguns kill. Like what? LMFAO 🤣.
Turkish shotguns take 50 to 100 rounds of heavy loads to "break in" the action
After this point malfunctions are much less likely
This is what it says in the owners manual if you had read it
Nobody does
If this is mandatory to make the shotgun work without failure, then either the company should do this before selling, or should include the ammo, or adjust the price accordingly.
@@craigjohnson4302for militaries you can train with the gun then send it with the soldier, teaches you about jams and how to clear them, it is the perfect weapon! - some Turkish gun designer
@@n3m37h Here's another after-the-fact excuse. Be sure and buy a car that breaks down a lot so that you can learn how to fix it.
Uh, they shot 500 rounds and I never saw the shotgun work any more smoothly.
They shot 500rds……clearly you didnt watch the entire video lol.
Ironic since you said no one reads the manual.
The "stop the music on failure"....dude I was fkn dying. Well played sir... well played.
Loved that man, this was a well produced video for sure
Loved the Turkish music too! Nice touch...
Wow such an original comment
@@enigmatic51me95 wait wut? that isn't Turkish ı can't understand the lyrics at all.
Why is it I feel this is not the first time James has found” Fake Key Mods” on an Escort 🤣
Thank you for doing this. I just bought one of these and have only ran about 20 rounds through it. I didn't expect much from the shotgun, honestly it just looked fun to shoot, but it looks like it held up pretty well for a semi auto box fed.
Chatted to someone about this, the biggest issue Ukraine is having with shotguns is available quantities, they need hundreds of thousands of shotguns yesterday but none of the 'good' manufacturers can churn out half a million magazine fed shotguns in short order. For 100 years shotguns were a specialist weapon primarily for the civilian market with military orders being in low quantities. Now they need to be standard issue for every infantry squad but almost none of the production lines have been able to spool up to cope with demand apart from these cheap Turkish ones.
The idea is to rush the BTS12 to every infantry squad as fast as possible and allow troops to individually purchase their own guns later, its not ideal but more lives will be saved that way.
A reasonable summation
Assuming they need the cheapest guns available that are at least functional, and assuming they change their mind about box mags, how long before they start buying Maverick 88s from the American civilian market?
@@judsongaiden9878 Box mags are absolutely essential requirement for this role due to reload speed. FPVs are so numerous and recon drone cameras so good that if you had a tube fed shotgun the enemy can simply expend enough drones until they can see you manually reloading the shells before going in to kill either you or your squadmates.
@@fludblud Let's assume the Origin 12 is too expensive and the Saiga 12 and Vepr 12 are too "Eastern Bloc." How about the Mossberg 590M?
Very thorough assessment other than the fact that the Ukrainian government doesn't give two craps about the mass casualties they are experiencing on the ground. Ukraine has lost there is no other way around it any other person telling you different is either lying to you or in denial or just doesn't have the right information.
The Defence Blog article that James cites in the begining of the video is misleading; the shotguns were purchaced independently by a drone hunting brigade, not as a standard weapon by the Ukranian military. The Defence post article links to another article which states: "The unit spent some time testing how it is to shoot down drones with shotguns in combat conditions. They started with ordinary double-barrels. Practice has shown that it works. Hatsan Escort was chosen as the best option. And the brigade commander made a decision to purchase such rifles."
The link from the orginal article is contained in the highlighted "Hastan BTS12" hyperlink. (UA-cam does not want me to post a coment with the link)
Keep your propaganda articles to yourself. We know the only reason *anyone* purchases Turkish firearms is because they have a terrible drug habit that consumes the rest of their funds. Looking at Zelenskyy here.
Yep. So much of the Ukrainian effort is grassroots. If our government has focused 1% of the first aid bill to remington/Browning.....they'd have shotguns for every platoon for the entire war. Amazes me how we as a nation can throw money/weapons at a problem and fail to address some very cheap, very effective solutions. We could be sending them hundreds of thousands of FPV drones with a little organization, too.
And of course everyone in the comments is just taking it and running with it lol.
@@chasepalumbo2929 Everyone in the comments is commenting on how they wouldn't want this shotgun to hunt drones which it is being used for either way in Ukraine whether it's generally or by a specific unit. So bad point. *LOL*
the performance in the video is still utterly shameful, but it's 400$
1) Old returned ammo for a "test" for a new weapon? 2) No prep of the weapon before pressing a new weapon into service? 3) and best yet, thinks any flat/pan/round head philips bolt is a wood screw?
Phillip's head screws. The true mark of firearms excellence and quality.
Im more of a flat-head man myself, shoutout to FIE Titan for their mouse pistolas
But not a wood screw. Machine screw.
It's a joke. Machine, wood, or good. Phillips don't belong on any gun.
@@nyetliuexactly
@@GotTheTeeShirt1 Philips head screws were intended for powered drivers in factory production. They are designed so the bit cams(strips) out, rather than break the tool. Not a suitable trait for any firearm use.
James, the Germans SAID they would consider writing orders that would execute shotgun wielding captives but never got that far as the US responded saying if they even attempted to put such orders to paper every single German POW would be executed for carrying sawback bayonets, it was a deliberately inflammatory overreaction because both sides knew it was complete BS, the shotguns extremely rarely saw frontline deployment let alone combat (there are single digit verified accounts of them being used outside of airfield defense and foraging).
It is a largely overblown myth of a series of events that never happened.
Wish I could pin this comment.
Word.
Well ackshually. Nerd.
The US never threatened to execute any Germans for they bayonets. That was a rumor that was never actually true, despite the some Germans believing it to be true at the time. The US threatened to execute German prisoners for every American soldier executed by the Germans, but it had nothing to do with bayonets.
@@utk2ski Found the uninformed dumbass.
As a last ditch weapon of war all I can ask is this: is it at least cheap? Because they need all the help they can get. If that’s the best they can do it’s the best they can do. Of course we’re talking about shotguns so I’m certain there was already hundreds of equal or better options, BUT, what about the logistics of the situation. So it’s a hard complex decision. Would I carry this weapon for any reason. No because i am blessed to live in a sheltered society where frankly i never have had need to fire a gun in anger regardless. But for Ukrainian front line units? It might be the best they can do.
$250 per arm, on bulk order
That's what I'm saying too. Maybe not pass a burn down test. But if you say. Take it apart and clean it good and keep it lubed. Once it breaks in I bet it will work. Also they will get one maybe 2 shots at a incoming drone. I own a Stevens 320 shotgun and it has worked great over the year. No problem beside being a bit heavy. But it's a pump. Them want to get off a few shots fast. Guns cost a lot and they been fighting Russians for year and are poor. I hope it works for them
100 five round mag changes - lol It's like singing 100 bottles of beer on the wall.
Welcome to the Canadian struggle. Nothing . Absolutely nothing with more than 5 rounds in it.
Except pistol magazines but we don’t get handguns anymore
@@willpugh8865 Heh ... but you got socialism in return ;)
200 if you include the number of times dropping the mag to get the round to fed.
@@willpugh8865 just make your own...
Besides the reliability, I think one of the biggest problems with this shotgun is: that these sights are very bad for shooting flying targets out of the air.
Yeah combat sights are literally the worst thing for flying targets. I regularly shoot a 90~/100 on a clay course with my X400, but I got to shoot a 1301 this weekend with combat sights and couldn’t hit a thing (exaggeration but you get the idea)
It has a pic rail...why wouldn't you *use it* if you were doing anything more important than punching holes in paper? You're not married to the irons that come on the gun.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 You really trying to cope for this piece of shit? With the reliability why would you use it for “anything serious.” And yea Ukraine totally skimped and bought this piece of shit just to spend more money for a sight. It’s okay if you bought one, but a military shouldn’t have.
No kidding
@@cavalieroutdoors6036they should have bought A400s with 10 round mag extensions
I’ve got a stoeger 3000 ,I shoot 150 rounds a month on the clay range,been doing it for 3 years and it hasn’t missed a beat
Stoeger is very different, produced in Turkey but they are owned by Benelli if I remember correctly.
Welcome to Turkey we can make a fifth generation fighter jet but not a properly functioning shotgun lol
After watching their stoeger 3000 vid. Milage may vary. Lol I do wonder if they are oiling these guns though...
The ambi controls sound great at first, but then you realize it’s impossible to use the gun left handed…. So why?
Ukrainian experts
@@dbelex Turkish. But, okay.
Because the mag release is behind your right hand by your wrist, so you need to hold the gun against your shoulder with your left hand and let go with your right hand to push the button with your right thumb as you grip the mag and pull it out. Ambi controls allows you to do it with your left hand. 🎯 Try using the gun for five minutes and you’ll understand why.
For a mere $400, that actually performed far better than I expected. The designs of Turkish shotguns are usually pretty sound, but they are made on the cheap, so they almost always have problems that a few of hours of knowledgeable labor and some decent tools could work out, but that would probably add a Benjamin or two to the price tag. The old adage that you get what you pay for is not suspended for foreign firearms. There are high-end Turknellis that run pretty damn well, but that is because the main parts are imported, and they are polished, fitted, and assembled in the States. But those could cost you $1,200+, which is significantly less than a Benelli M4, but still not as affordable as a 590 or 870.
Even polished / fitted / assembled in the US... I'd still buy my Benelli M4 all over again before I'd get one of the copies.
@cstarr3240 I got mine for 350 and it hasn't really done anything TOO bad yet. The charging handle decided to spread its wings and fly on me one day out of the blue and the decorative barrel shoud comes unscrewed from the vibration but neither of those things have led to anything catastrophic in the 500 rounds I've put through it. I bought the black aces FD12 btw
hello, I use a similar shotgun as a toy for shooting ranges: Armkson Stm 12, the problem with feeding bullets may result from bad magazines, the twin magazines are for the Typhoon 12 shotgun, but Armkson does not work with them, even though they are visually the same, the shape of the spring is similar, but those for Typhoon have a different spring tension they probably are not able to get the cartridge into the chamber. It would be best to ask the Ukrainians if their equipment works or if they have any problems, because they are probably the best practitioners at the moment. This shotgun has one advantage - it is extremely cheap and compact, which allows for maneuverability and is very important, for example, in a trench or bushes, and for mine, for example, I have 10-round magazines, in Turkey they are available with 20 rounds, which allows for a large series to shoot down a drone.
The funny thing is when the Turkish military ran a tender for a standard issue shotgun. This manufacturer didnt even qualify to be allowed to send a proposal to enter the competition. None of the civilian manufacturers qualified.
According to ARMSAN's product page, Turkish Military uses ARMSAN RS-S1. I wonder how the results will be with that shotgun.
@JamesReeves, why not trying an ARMSAN RS-S1?
@@ec5113 the Turkish military purchased Armsan RS1 to supply to Libyas Tripoli airport authority for bird control. Not for combat use
@@PauljonesIRL2006 They bought these in early 2018 but military operations in Libya is like 2 years later.
@@ec5113 tripoli like I said they bought them and donated to libyan airport authority. This organisation is an official governmental one and existed before the 2020 intervention.
Wood screw? That doesn't look like a wood screw to me. Looks like a machine screw. Is he calling every phillips head out there a wood screw?
I don't know but I have a feeling he's using "wood screw" figuratively referring to any screw that really doesn't belong in the construction of a gun. I think he just likes saying wood screw because it's an escort lol
It’s a joke. Decent fire arms are not held together with Philips screws and flatheads
It's plastic construction so there is a chance those are self tapping... which are one tiny step above woodscrew.
@@Anonymous_Man that's a good one! 👍 they just need to file down that one screw that went in too far lol
@@dgunearthed7859 shouldn't be a problem. These days most plastic crap is designed to only require one length of screw. Idiot proof - well, besides the buyer of course.
1:00 There's no evidence that Germans executed soldiers using shotguns in WWI. Instead, they threatened to do so. Be accurate.
These Turkish shotguns are cheaper because they aren't fine finished. The tolerances of the chamber are too tight. You need to take the barrel out and polish the chamber so the shells don't stick going in and ejecting out. That is why they have the break in period. If you polish the chamber the break in period isn't needed.
Wood screws and a charging handle that isn't held in by anything but pressure seem like bigger problems than polishing can fix.
Thanks for the tip. Sounds much cheaper than the 250 heavy loads mine calls for to break it in!
@@peepeepoopoo42069 Do you have any idea how many guns have components that are just held in by pressure, push pins, or maybe just a detent?
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 Yes I do. I think my current collection is above 80 guns rn. I'd bet that I've owned and operated more firearms than you.
That being said, I've never encountered one with a reciprocating charging handle that was held in by nothing more than pressure. Usually there's another part that locks it in if it's removable.
Stick to bow and arrow.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 Do you have any idea how bad your engineers must be if they put a reciprocating charging handle on a semi auto 12 gauge that's not held in by anything else besides some pressure?
Please name one other firearm that has a reciprocating charging handle that you can just pull off without disassembling any other part of the rifle. I'll wait...
I have been buying, tuning, and upgrading these Turkish imports since the MKA 1919. I have at least one version of most of them. Out of the box, most function about like the one in this video. I do "bench break-ins" on most of mine. I have dies to correctly form the magazine lips, and to free followers when the magazines are over formed.
I have a couple of Hatsan Escorts, and my 410 also tossed the charging handle. Customer Service DID respond, and sent me a replacement handle free of charge.
I am not going to break down models and branding, but some are consistently more reliable than others.
While I have experienced QC issues from minor to deal breaker, with most, some are simply poorly engineered.
Turkish imports are generally a tinkerers gun, or a gamblers game in my experience.
Note: Most of the issues seen were caused by the magazine running high. I have adjusted many magazines lock positions. These guns will tolerate a lot of magazine slop, but riding high always look like this video.
Hi, I'm from Turkey, and need a Mag fed shotgun for home defense.
Can you recommend my a Turkish brand one(imports are really hard to get here) that is reliable or at least easy to make reliable?
(EDIT: A Bullpup would be preferable, as it's for home defense.)
@Doan84 The most consistent semi-auto Bullpup shotguns I run have been Black Aces and Panzer (Gen 2)... I have others, but reliability varies too much.
Note that those are the US importer assigned names, and could be different in the country of origin.
@@TheRealMrBlackCat Thx for the reply.
I did some searching, and it seems both guns you recommended are from the same manufacturer:
Final Arms(former name Kariyer Arms)
The Black Aces FD12 is sold here as Kariyer FD12
and
the Panzer Arms as Kariyer FD20
I’ll keep my 870, thank you.
I’ve hunted birds and shot skeet my whole life and always wonder why people say shotguns don’t work for drones. They have to slow down to target, and I’m pretty sure those rotors go down a lot easier than a duck. I bet you could pop stationary drones at 60+yrds with #2 pretty easy. I have to assume just keeping an old turkey gun around could never hurt.
I am flying drones, and I can tell you that they crash easily. Even a small leaf or twig hit by one of the propellers brings them out of balance and crash. It's absolutely not required to smash them up completely-a small damage is enough to make them go down.
@@MH-gb5ky one prop they are gone
you're absolutely correct!!! Its so frustrating when you see modern technology not working and you think....well, we already had a simple working answer for that decades ago...DUH!!!.
@@paulnaumann1332over a century *FIFY*
You've been proven correct. There are quite a few videos now of shotguns being used to successfully shoot down drones or detonate them in midair.
I admit I was wrong, since I originally thought they wouldn't have the effective range to take out the drones before they hit.
Love it. Stopping the music every time it malfunctions is hilarious lol😊
Better than any verbalized commentary.
@@wheelguns4wheelmen802 idk...I loved hearing "PUSS-SEE" every time Ryan flinched too 😂
Shotguns are still the most versatile firearm out there. Can be used on damn near anything, from birds to bears. Also, this test demonstrates the problems with semi-auto shotguns really well. The thing clearly has a recoil spring that's too light, but I'm betting they couldn't make it any heavier due to having to be able to cycle with 2-3/4 bird loads and the like.
Is that a 3” magnum federal flight control in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
😂
I love the Flite Control ammo. Cylinder bore at 40 yards with standard 00 Buck maybe one pellet will hit the silhouette paper. Switch to Federal #1 buck with Flite Control and at 50 yards all the pellets can be coverd by my palm. Followup shots confirm that's the way they shoot. Really incredible. IMHO the best advance in shotshells since plastic.
The charging handle/forward assist. The hero of the day!
What’s amazing to me is nobody had this idea until now. The first days of the conflict I was thinking. “Why doesn’t every unit have at least 1 guy with a shot gun loaded with bird shot? Preferably an experienced hunter or skeet shooter.”
And I’m from the UK, we don’t even have easy access to guns and I thought of that. 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe MU board can hire you to solve their poor forms of late ! ETH need all the help he can get tbd
@@jackreacher8858 just give us the money, we will sort it.
As someone who hunts teal and wood ducks, seeing the speeds of the fpv drones, the height of the isr drones, plus their ability to see you aiming at them, makes me feel like a shotgun is a Hail Mary when you’re down and out…. Drones are just real life griefers
I wonder if these "thermal red dot sights" dramatically help?
It may be that the payload of the drones somewhat slows them when used in the way Ukrainians and Russians are using them so perhaps it's a bit more than a hail mary
@@3.142-x3b drones don’t put off enough of a thermal signature for those to be relevant. Plus, on flying targets like that one, a clunky optic of any kind would be massively disadvantageous when trying to track and shoot. A typical shotgun rail bead would be better
Military UA-camr Ryan McBeth has a video tackling this topic. Pretty much what you said. The drones’ speed vs. the max effective range of a shotgun and its shooter’s ability to spot the drone means the shotgunner will barely have time to shoot.
@@javierpatag3609 That's probably true, but I'd say that having barely any time to take the drone down is better than having no defense against one at all.
This is my Kebab Stick. There are many that perform better, but it is mine.
I can't stop laughing
😂😂😂😂😂
Top comment!!
just pissed a little, hahah.
lmao
I love the Disgust and acting when opening the shotgun box.....Awesome
"My channel is officially nerdier than...."
...oh, this superlative should reveal James' insight into various realms of nerd-dom in order for this joke to achieve maximum impact...
"...Hop's."
Nailed it.
What a horrible choice for combating drones. Besides the obvious issues, a conventionally configured shotgun is gonna have much better swing characteristics. Would've been better off with Mavericks. Also I really like the touch of the music stopping every time the gun does, good job editor
My maverick 88 was one of my best shotguns....never failed
Russia uses Saiga and Vepr 12 effectively in this role. Yet, Ukraine bought these? I guess they also bought the Turkish TB2 drone, which Russia figured out how to jam like 2 weeks into the war and we never saw them again.
I feel like these "turd-ish" companies are taking full advantaged of Ukraine's desperate need. They know full well that their shotties are full of turd but they want to score fast cash from Ukraine's desperate need. I agree with you on the Mavericks. Hell man..maybe even a Joe Biden double barrel special might be better than these turd import shotties.
@@lance9150 I say these Turkish trash POS shotgun knock off import companies are taking full advantage of Ukraine's desperate need.
This is government level corruption how it looks like. They make “business” indirectly killing their own troops. A perfect recipe to a lost war.
No wonder they so fiercely support the same level corrupt “democrats”.
I'm sure that if you read the manual and do whatever it says to do before using it for the first time, and also to keep the gun working, like, cleaning it, and lubricating whatever they point out, and wherever they say not to, it'd perform at least a notch better. And at this point, it doesn't even matter if that particular shotgun isn't the best. The fact that everyone shows the gun's clear on camera as a way of keeping people in touch with such an important fact, should come along with the RTFM bit of advice as well. How many people know that all manuals come with the warning: "All firearms may fire when dropped", for example? Thanks for the vid. Gonna buy one of those now.
I own the AR model of this gun.....it must always be lubed heavily with oil not gun cleaners and generally is able to eject and feed all high brass rounds using the 2, 5 rd mags provided from Hatsan. There is an issue with other aftermarket mags....I have tried Panzer Mags and needed to stretch the springs to create greater tension which seems to fix the problem. Do not try to use old mags as well. There is also a "recoil" pad at the base of the barrel...which I added a thin layer of hard foam to which also helped cycle some lighter rounds. but in general it will not consistently cycle lighter bird shot rounds..under gassed.
Why even bother
What about the 10 rd mag that comes with the shotgun ?
Ghetto
I fell for one of those $200 bullpup Turkish shotguns. I knew they were crap, but I felt confident I'd be able to make it work. So here we are 4 years later and I'm about ready for my annual attempt to try to make it run.
So how far down do you strip it and clean it before each seasonal attempt to make it work for you?
Hey I found a bolt broken but still only intermittently jamming so the butt needed to be mortared onto the ground to release the whole mechanism and eject even a live round...new bolt provided free of charge by manufacturer.
That fault just took a complete disassembly looking for cracks. burrs etc....
Now it is flawless...
Is the one you bought adjustable re gas off take ?
( I had one that needed one of the two gas ports in the barrel slightly drilled to get it to the same diameter as the other,..hard to see or do at the angle required but gas actions requires gas to operate effectively and reliably)
What failures do you have:
F to feed (polish out the entire chamber with scotchbrite pads on the end of a forked holder in a battery operated drill chuck to get rid of all plastic and carbon residue)
F to fire (light primer strike caused by shell hanging in rough unpolished chamber so when the firing pin strikes the shell gets pushed forward instead of being held tightly and the primer struck hard)
F to extract (take that extractor to bits and clean it...make sure to spring is the correct one and the hole it operates in is cleaned and burr free)
F to eject (gas passages/gas piston cleaned...ejector in correct position and in good condition..extractor claw sharp, unbroken, unburred
All mechanical things are a system...you just need to find the faults.....and correct them.
I traded mine for a box of shells!
Mine runs like a sewing machine! Not one issue, ever! You have to use heavy powder loads. You can’t use cheap shells!
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk nice advice.
How close are enemy drones in a possible engagement scenario? I would think you don't need 3" 00 but more like 3" 0 or down to #5? I can't imagine engaging enemy drones past 100-150yds. At least 24" barrel maybe but does one go smooth or rifled?
Should start a "Ryan flinch counter".
Every person shooting 3" 12 gauge is flinching every shot fired. Shit is painful in almost every shotgun
@@maximusjoseppi5904 I shoot 3 1/2" 00 quite often and it's really not that bad. From a Rem 870
Just don’t make it a drinking game. They won’t finish the video. 😅 -Ryan
@@maximusjoseppi5904my buddy snuck a 3” mag upland game load in my maverick 88 one time years ago. I still flinch. It’s no joke
Nah. 3” is normal for any waterfowl hunter. 3.5’s make most people flinch.
I've personally never done it but I will say that a local well known gun shop I frequent claims that all the Turkish shotguns they get in that they polish and debur all the main parts prior to all sales and have none come back. I plan to buy one and try it before and after a mirror polish. Very curious on how well it truly works. May be worth a shot in some of the popular bullpup shotties.
I bought two 1301 clones. One ran fine, the other had all sorts of problems. After taking it apart and polishing the lockup mechanism, it hasn't missed a beat. Point being, expect to disassemble and polish components... and then, don't expect the gun to be combat grade.
Very similar to the Charles Daly NS4. I've had one now for about 3 years. It will ONLY run with 3" magnum shells. Had issues with the first ~25 rounds - FTF, FTL, FTE, etc. But after a thorough cleaning & lube - all works well. Cycled about 60 round through it since with no issues.
I bought a Turkish made 12 Gauge Tristar Bullpup as a tractor gun for my rural homestead property for $500.00 a few years ago. It's not high dollar and it has it's drawbacks, but it does what I want it to, when I need it to. Would I want it as a combat shotgun? Definitely not my first choice, but it packs a helluva wallop and can get the job done. It's maneuverable and comfortable to shoot. I added a light, Vortex red dot and inexpensive laser for when quick action is needed. Best part is that I don't have to be overly careful with it, damn gun has taken a beating and still works great.
I purchased one about a year ago. I put over 200 through with one 1 failure to eject. Did you tighten the barrel nut before firing? Mine came with a note to tighten the barrel nut.
Probably not as the first thing you do is dissemble, clean and oil the firearm. One needs to follow directions included and realize that a 400 dollar gun is not a Beretta 682 Gold E, a Kolar or a Perazzi. Plus who just loads up returned ammo without inspecting it then fires it.
"The shotgun is an older code, sir, but it still checks out"
Nice reference!
i remember buying a HATSAN ESCORT SLUGGER. The first thing I did was take it completely apart and check for manufacturing flaws. One item I swapped out was the plastic mag tube follower for a CNC machined one. Then lubed it up and ran some rounds.
I appreciate the Star Wars joke on May 4th.
Every gun and ammo seller is using “may the 4th be with you “ today in their email ads. So annoying
We got one of those yesterday, oiled it up worked great had one low brass not eject. The 3 in magnums made my husband cry.
I love how the music paused at every failure, don't know why that tickled my funny bone!
Maybe we'll see a resurgence of the 10ga shotgun because of its larger payload.
That would be too obvious a decision.
Your channel is going to be big ,brother.. keep it going man,
If they could just fix that one jamming issue it would be a decent gun.
It cracks me up how you stop the music everytime it jams😅
Take it apart and look at the damage.
I grantee you there is massive internal receiver damage and the bolt/carrier will be damaged as well.
This is my BOOM...errrr Jam stick😊
I'm a sound man. I have found myself giggling every time the music stops and starts back uo at each failure. My face hurts, now. Thanks, James! 😂
This is a good bolt-slap operated shotgun. Drones liked this video.
The MP5 of shotguns, sorta?
If it works like that out of the box there is no way it's going to work on a battlefield.
shotguns i think are one of the most underrated weapons of the 21st century.. they can handle just about anything, birdshot for drones, slugs for armor, and regular old fashion for soft targets.
There's a school of thought that if a drone is close enough to be in shotgun range it's already too late
I bought a Turkish 16 ga. SxS from Cabela's gun shop years ago. Beautiful gun, but Cabela's lied about the features it had. NOT steel shot rated. NOT fixed chokes. The chambers were cut at the extreme limit of tolerance. That means the 16 ga. hulls, once fired, are so oversized they can't be easily resized to fit my 16 ga. Browning which has a nominal diameter chamber. (The industry doesn't sell brass based 16 ga. hulls, which makes resizing the hulls difficult.). Also the blued barrels turned plum color in a year. And warranty? The company failed to supply a warranty card, and gave me a hard time about getting one. No stateside service. I decided it wasn't worth the risk of sending the gun to Turkey.
For anti drone, since they are all props at the moment, I would fire some kind of chaff to clog up the blades. Like chain shot in old cannons or whatever. Sidenote, it's not a wood screw unless it's pointed, otherwise it's a machine screw, Phillips or whatever.
Had mine for about 2 years. Only put about 100 rounds through it, but never had any failures worth mentioning.
Every failure (in my opinion) points to bad magazine port geometry. Brandon Herrera pointed out the over-insertion problem with the Sig Spear. Seems like something similar.
Two things i love about this video, the cool music stops when the gun malfunctions, and “puuuusssyyy” lol keep doing the lords work
"It's an older code sir, but it checks out" thanks for the Star Wars quote on May the 4th haha.
3:15 “I ain’t judging….but everyone else is gunna.” -Theo Von
Got a Tokarev TBP12. That things super fun. Havent had any issues. Instructions said to run some High Velocity slugs for break in. Oiled her up and put some loctite on screws and ordered 2 extra charging handles (keep one in the handle plug).
Those look like machine screws, not wood screws. All the hex head screws on guns are machine screws too. The reason they would use a phillips head machine screw is because anything remotely phillip shaped will tighten most phillips machine screws. A hex head machine screw can only be tightened by the correct size hex driver so if you don't have it you are screwed, or most likely not screwed.
All very true, but honestly, Phillips head is the *worst* for anything that needs to be taken apart and reassembled, or even retightened. Flat head would be better, if you want something you can operate with minimal/improvised tools. Of course, a decent threadlocker would prevent things like the bolt release coming loose....
@@lonewolftek Totally agree with ya there. The only thing a phillips head has over a flat head is when a gorilla over tightens the flat head it can snap the head in half. A Phillips just strips the center so it's a little easier to drill out. I've spent too much time with an impact screwdriver on old Japanese bikes.
@@c0c0asauce
Did you finally learn about JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) "philips" head screws...
how they aren't Philips heads???
lol, i love how the music stops when theres a failure. nice detail.
8:45 pretty sure it is the end of the world when an FPV drone with an RPG warhead comes towards you at 150kph
Thank you for your work.
Perfect intro.
Two little questions. It's October already. How do those shotguns do in the rainy season? And, in winter, how do they survive the cold?
9:18 I like the gesture you use for "aggressive manipulation". Joking aside, I love your content dude!
So you missed the closely edited 'jacks' at 4:48, 4:51 and 4:56? One of the better guns designed by Mr Meoff,......
@@kaveman9 Not gonna lie, I completely did lol
Watching Hasselhoff aggressively gesture, so naturally, so practiced even, with his hand in front of his mouth was the highlight of this video for me too!
So it's a single shot semi-automatic?! That sounds about right for a Turkish gun.😂 Thanks for convincing me to stick with Mossberg, James!
At least it’s not fully semiautomatic.
Wait until you find out where many Mossberg shotguns are made these days.
I don't know why anyone even bothers with anything else other then Mossberg. It seems like they're the only shotgun makers that are not trying to sell a gimmick instead a normal gun that shoots as it's supposed to.
@@tomislavobrovac3257 I see the point you’re making. I will say I love my a300 and I liked my 1301. Nothing wrong with the maverick at all. I recommended it to a buddy who has more money than me and he loves it. If I were buying a pump I’d get the maverick and be done with it.
@@LFDNC I really like the 500 all purpose bantam model, the 12 ga with 26 inch barrel. I'm a about to fit it with a F.A.B defense furniture. It's just perfect for people of smaller frame like me. But, as far as pump guns go I don't even bother looking at other shotguns.
I made the mistake of buying a Taurus gx4 for my concealed to carry and after three times sending it back to the factory still had the same problem after they told me no problem found and after watching Your Excellence contents I think I've only seen you have one Turkish shotgun that actually worked lol thank you for your excellent content of the people for the people and by the people
When breaking in a new shotty, I always start with the hotter, high brass rounds, then move down to the low brass. You really want to break it in with full-power loads first. That said, of the many shotguns I own, not one is made in Turkey.
I have one that was made in Duck Chicken-Kangaroo. It's much better quality than anything coming out of Turkey or a roosters butt 😁
i love the music pause every jam, lol almost like looking at the non existent camera
7:38 He's wearing sunglasses yet I can still see the sheer resignation and disappointment in his eyes. 😂 "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
I never understood why they weren’t issuing Benellis and Berettas from day one. It just seemed so obvious.
CoC actively ignoring us
The fake keymod is the icing on the cake
I've had this shotgun for about 5 years now. I definitely haven't had issues like this but as soon as I got it I bought some Panzer mags and I slightly sanded down the magwell because of that tight fit. Works fine
Good luck finding that charging handle in a muddy trench
GunShorts is the best talking guntuber. Most would use plethora, the worst English word, where stubbly cheeks uses smattering, smorgasbord and cornucopia.
Good video.
Did you check the manual about what ammo to do the break in with?
Also, some of them need a different gas piston for the faster loads. The manual warns the gun may be damaged without the right gas piston.
These guns are ammo sensitive. I have a bull pup and AR-15 type that work with the manual specified ammo just fine after break in. The 5 shot mags will work with anything but the ten round mags need 2 and 3/4 in with star crimps. The roll crimps are a little too long and will hang up. Standard 2 and 3/4 in OO buck 9 pellet loads at 1325 fps with star crimps will work great IME.
I know this sounds crazy, but with that one I would lock the bolt open and leave it for a month. Then retest with the specified loads.
"Whatever. Nevermind" great callback to your nirvana reference.
I wasn’t sure anyone would catch it.
@@JamesReeves 🤌
Was I the only one expecting a high-dollar channel like this one to give us a few actual drone shootdowns???
Same.
That would be illegal per FAA
it's illegal unless they do it indoors maybe (but where?!)
The problem is not that the Russians or the Ukrainians don't have anti-drone shotguns. They have plenty of those. The problem is that as you stand up and try and use it, - as the 6-7 FPV drones are distracting you, and prompting you to fire at them or go after them, - the 8th drone sneaks up on you from behind and takes your head clean off your shoulders. Do you have any idea how many shotgun enthusiasts like that were buried by both sides? The drones just keep on coming and now you have Russian "Terminator" tracked land drones with aircraft speed cannons and high caliber machine guns fighting Ukrainian FPV drones in the air. You need to work on something better.