I Bought & Tore Down Subaru’s New Replacement Oil Filters For The US Market. Are They Good Or Bad?!
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Just watched the whole video, and I don't even own a Subaru
Same 😂
Same
Definitely a sign to buy one
I had my oil changed at my Subaru dealership two weeks ago and I checked my oil three days ago. I discovered oil pooled around the filter housing about 1/8” deep. I drove to the dealership and they said a lady came in yesterday with the same problem. They said that Subaru redesigned the filter and that this is a nation wide problem but corporate hasn’t given them any instructions on how to fix it. They changed the filter and said it was fixed. I drove home, 9 miles, and checked the oil and there is a slight amount of oil around the filter. The oil filter is accessible by opening the hood. 2018 Forester with 30380 miles on it. I called corporate and they assigned me a rep and case number. He said he wasn’t aware of my specific issue but would have to do some research and make some calls and get back to me. Anyway, I took a paper towel and cleaned all the oil from around the filter, let it set a few days and checked today. Car hasn’t ran and no oil. I started it and let it warm up then applied gas to run at 2500 rpm for 5-10 seconds. A slight amount of oil appears at the low side of the filter. I checked the filter at it is a 15208AA20A from Indonesia. I guess I will have to wait for the rep to call.
Any updates?
Thanks for the info Mr Subaru! I havent had problems with the no name blue filters but it is nice to know that a better filter will soon be available for us North America Subie owners.
Still gotta burn through the Mazda NR 31s you told me to buy !
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*N3R1
Now this video explains why I rec'd a blank blue oil filter in June. Thanks for the heads up and comparison. Find your videos informative and valuable.
I stopped using the blue ones and switched to Purolator's Pure One until a few years ago when they developed the Boss line.
Thank you for keeping us informed on Subaru’s trickery!
I’ve been using the Wix XP 57055 for years now. Great filter, OE pressure spec, awesome filters.
But made in Mexico now. I still use them though
I use the denso Japanese filter
Same here. I use the 57055 filter on my Ascent and have used Wix filters on all the Subies that I've owned in the past. In case anyone isn't aware, the Napa Gold filter is made by Wix.
But do you feel the new style is better than anything on the shelf at my local auto parts store? Wix is still good, right? (And by default, the Walmart by Wix).
Up here in the Glorious People's Republic of Canuckistan, WIX are now made by Mann Filters. I still use them, but I have no idea if this was a step up or a step back.
Very good video as always, hopefully we get the same comparison in September when the EJ filters hit the dealers!
I have been using the Napa Platinum and so far so good. I have read good reviews on it.
Thanks Mr.Subaru! This was one of those details I cannot afford to make/do. The Indonesia filter is not what I'd expect nor wish to use!
Thanks for the comparison. I use only Amsoil products but even they recommend WIX if they can't get you their own. Food for thought. My 2023 Impreza came with 3 free oil changes so I'll request the black filter when due.
Thanks for the video! It's interesting to see that the construction of the Indonesian Tokyo Roki is quite different. By comparison, the Thai Mahle Honda filters and Japanese Mahle Honda filters are pretty much identical. I guess Tokyo Roki purchased quite different types of manufacturing machines for the Indonesian factory.
Napa gold on my 2018 Outback. No issues for far going on 89,000 miles. Switched to Napa gold around 66,000 miles. Runs great! Oil changes every 6,000 miles.
Great info. Going to try the Mazda oil filter next time. Thanks.
As soon as you mentioned FRAM = oh oh No!
Good video and review.
Not surprised that the Japanese filter appears to be better.
On my 2.5i I have mostly used Bosch 3300 filters. They are cheap and seem decent quality. Nice to know we can get Subaru filters that aren't fram but I have no issues the the Bosch ones.
I was shocked ! I always go to the dealer for the bleu filter, I always thaught it was good. I guess I was worn! Thanks for making this video and explaining this to me!!! By the way, just picked up a 06 wrx wagon!
I have to thank you Subaru owners for keeping the official rx8 filter in production. It makes sourcing them very easy when I change the oil in my rx8.
Looks pretty good. Glad they finely figured out a solution to the oil filter problem and stopped using the low quality cheap fram stuff
Will be really interesting to see what the aa100 ends up being - I would think if they changed designs they'd change the p/n the way they did for the bigger filter...
Excelente información, very good information, congratulations 🇨🇱
I just bought the Subaru branded oil filter from Walmart (part# 15208AA15A) and it comes in a completely different packaging than shown. It is the black filter stamped with "Made in Indonesia", has the "M" stamped on the top plate and cost $10.97 before tax.
Napa gold or wix has not let me down yet.
Thank you as always!
My pleasure!
I used a wide variety of filters on my '96 Pathfinder.
Factory, A/C, Several Fram, Mobile-1, etc.
I used Mobile-1 oil first 100,000 miles, then Synthetic Blend after that.
Zero Oil Consumption, even after 200,000 miles.
I think the important part is that I CHANGED the oil EVERY 5,000 miles.
Ive been using the Mobil1 M1-110 filter for years on my Subaru X2.5 for years and am extremely satisfied y with it. Great quality, a bit more pricey.
+1 to that. Been running M1-110 and 108. Just dont know if its running it at the OEM pressure spec or anything else but it has worked great for me. I still change it out every oil change.
I just picked one of these new filters up from my local Subaru dealer last week for $9.58. I’m impressed with the overall quality compared to the the blue filters.
Nicely done! We just got our first shipment in today.
Nice!!
I’ve been using Purolator filters since the ‘80s without a single issue. And will continue to use.
It seems the larger Purolator ONE PL14460 for the old EJ18/EJ22 and non spiral exhaust cars is getting scarce and it makes me sad.
Good to know that the filter I’ve been using at my Toyota dealer (The Mazda Filter) was actually made if a decent quality
I was charged $26 for a unmarked filter from a dealership couple weeks ago. Always shop around.
Thanks for the video, I think the quality of the 15208AA20A is almost the same as the 160.
AA170s for my WRX are easy to get but if I couldn't get one I'd just use a Mobil 1 filter. They are everywhere and very good quality. US made.
I was using aftermarket parts on my Crosstrek and forgot this was an issue and still going on! Those new filters look pretty good. Definitely better than anything a quick lube place would install.
Local Subaru dealership just got in a bunch of the Tokyo Roki filters that are marked with Made in Japan, clearly the real thing. Thankfully I watched this video earlier on, because once I realized what they had in stock, I bought 14 of them. They actually cost me less than the acdelco replacement filter, and it's still from the dealership. For clarification, these mine are the ones ending in AA100.
You can use the HOnda K 2.4L or J3.5L oil filters to replace it. They are interchangable as we do in Asia.
Ive gotten the black AA160 filters on eBay for a few years now for our '21 and '23 cars. They are the made in Japan type.
I have been using the BRZ oil filters in my 2.5L Crosstrek. They're readily available at all dealerships, Japanese made, have more surface area, twice the core openings and only $7 apiece.
I have a hookup at my local Toyota dealer. I been using FRS filter for my FA20 WRX and Forester and now my XV Crosstrek. I havent had any issues at all.
The filter made in Indonesia has many of the same characteristics of a Sakura oil filter that @WhipCityWrencher recently reviewed (Honda Oil Filter 15400-PLM-A02 vs. Sakura Oil Filter C-1821 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison) including the coil spring with the cup it sits in and the spacing of the four rivets that attach the bypass valve.
I have recently switched my BRZ to Chinese Mann filters from Aliexpress. Mann W811/80. Excellent quality. Probably better than the OEM one.
I’ve been using Baldwin filters in my cars since ‘05 with no problems.
I just run the Mobil 1 m1-110a on my three Subies. They are easy to find at any AutoZone or Walmart. They are good quality filters and only put 3-5k miles on them anyway.
I use the same. I run with m1 oil and change once a year. I only put on less than 7,000 miles on my cars.
Ive always used Fram Force or Titanium part no ending in 7317. Only bacause 1) its included in an oil change bundle every month at Advance Auto and 2 my brothers Honda and my dads Acura use the same filter as well. Easy to remember.
Nice to see they are being made to similar specifications even if there are small differences. The Indonesian filter ADBV may be a bit thinner, but the reinforcing ribs will mean similar overall strength I'd imagine, and the larger size may mean more flow potential. The difference in filtration media area is likely very small, and it's definitely still a quality and strong canister. Bypass valve looks nice as well and the coil spring is actually a higher quality item to my mind. Overall, without some insane levels of testing, I'd say use without worry! It's definitely made like other quality filters we consider top tier.
Those differences are a bit concerning though. Id rather pay the scalpers 25 bucks for a guaranteed Made in Japan filter than to risk the Indonesian ones for 12 bucks.
@@VotEtoPizdets Not sure why. They are effectively identical. The Indonesian filter has what, 10% less filter media at most? A stronger spiral core with larger holes. Keep in mind the area of a circle is exponential with diameter and the filter media is far more restrictive than those holes. It has a potentially better flowing ADBV that will definitely still function. It has a coil spring for retention instead of a leaf spring which is generally a more premium feature. Overall it looks like just as good a filter as the Japanese with what looks like slightly more material on the filter metal end caps as well. Very stout construction. The only issue would be if the filtration media is not as high quality, but it at least looks similar if not identical. Could be from the same supplier. For anyone who does regular oil changes, this is a premium filter far better than most of the cheap filters at parts stores and far better than the Subaru blue filters. People don't need to stress over this one.
@@802Garage I was having the same thoughts exactly. If anything, the pleats in the Indonesian filter looked more uniform, which could lead to more consistent filtering. On top of that, having a slightly more compliant drain back gasket could make it seal better.
@@Zephyr8086 Indeed. From what we can see in this video, absolutely no reservations about the Indonesian filter. Is it a bummer it doesn't say Japan on it? Sure. Indonesians need work too. ;)
Other than the generic blue filters leaking, we have seen no issues from any type. The generics looked to be a bad batch for a very short period of time. The parts dept had several cases to dispose of at one point recalled for defects.
Unless you're in a high heat area or heavy duty use I wouldn't go crazy deciding. They all work.
Purolator Boss filters are one of the best.
I just got an oil change recently at a Subaru dealer in Massachusetts and when I looked under the hood it had the black filter. It's a 2023 Forester that was made in Japan so when it was new it had the black filter and it only had the blue one for a short period of time.
Definitely happy to see that Subaru is giving the North American market a better filter now! I just bought more 160s, I use them for my 2022 Outback and my sister’s 2015 Crosstrek. I’ll wait to see if you test one of these on one of your cars, Mr. Subaru, then decide what way I’ll go for future filters! So far I’m still leaning toward the 160s but I’ll use the new NA market one in a pinch.
I bought 6 160s on EBay, turned out to be counterfeit all. EBay refunded money.
@@chawkinzI’ve bought them on eBay for several years now, always from the same seller, and I’ve never had a problem. I’ve always been sent genuine filters that have all the hallmarks of the real filters and packaging.
@@parsley0120I’m trying to find the Japanese 160s; can you tell me your eBay source? Thanks much!
@@chawkinz Did they ship from China? I found several ebay japan oil filters that are fake. Amazon also has 3rd party seller that sell fake ones.
China company shipped from California.@@Electricmarquis
interesting stuff - alot goes into your video presentation. thank you
after seeing your old cut filter video and this one,
i may stick with the fram ultra synthetic XG7317 I had seen it compared with wix and they seem to be the same.
very much like your Japanese filters.
Ive looked at cheaper fram filters and passed. {not so good}
this Ultra one has been great in our little line of Subaru cars,
only wix makes the size for the trucks here and oddly its a bit lower cost yet bigger & has the same internals.
Ive seen a few other scientific comparisons {yeah I research a bit lol}
the particles in the used oil samples are very similar between these
I used to use subaru filters, but they proved to be sub par in past comparisons I had done [just for the fun of it]
like other "studies" these are just opinions, its a good plan to keep an open mind as you check each theory.
sub filters might sometimes [used to] be about the same cost, but the stealerships in a city nearby had their own idea of pricing, oops they were often way over others, So I started ordering.
my fram ultras are not what a regular fram filter is.
I work at Subaru in Jacksonville FL. We have the Tokyo Roki in stock and use them on my Subaru and I do mean the Japanese ones.
great vid! I guess BRZs are outliers? Haven't had any issues getting the black, made in Japan AA170 filters for my 2022 BRZ.
Good oil good filters regular regimented oil changes = Good recipe :) … On a very small note construction of the new filter very similar to Mahle OC707 ; Here is to fun safe driving !
Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to more info on these new black filters. I'll keep pulling from my 160 stock for now. It'll be interesting to see if they keep shipping Foresters and other vehicles made in Japan with the 160s or the new Indonesian filter.
I just bought a new 24 forester sport and it came from the factory with the 160 filter.
@@mattsbrute thanks for the update. I suppose that will only last for another year or two as they move all US Forester and Forester hybrid production to Lafayette, Indiana.
Going with the Wix WL10078 on the 2022 wrx. It looks identical to the black Subaru factory filter but has more flow holes in the base.
I still use the RX8 filters , even if they are a little pricey direct from Mazda.
Stop the cap 🧢
I can't picture Tokyo roki having built a factory in Indonesia, but am leaning towards they might be made by Sakura filters. They do quite a few aftermarket brands here in Australia and their own brand. I've used 100s of them and never had an issue and have cut a few open in the past for inspection.
When my 2024 BRZ comes in I already confirmed with my dealer/service center; that I can supply the oil and filter for my oil changes. I am going with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Wix oil filters (which have been proven through testing to be amongst the best)
Just started using the black ones yesterday at the shop!! 3/2/23
Great video, love your entire series reviewing various oil filters! Here's a question, however. I typically label my oil filters with the date and mileage however do you recommend I write the mileage the car reads at the time of the oil change or when it will need the next change? Thanks!!
The right info, and a bonus video, I’m looking for. I have a 2021 Crosstrek 2.0 DOHC. I just subscribed to your channel. Awesome work you do. I recently ordered oil filter 15208AA160 from subarupartsdeal. It says Japan made on the photos showing the product. When I received my order, it says Indonesia on the box and canister. I plan to call their service department about this. Your detailed description and presentation about this subject is par excellence
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Just cool to see a black filter (AA20A) to match the 130(BRZ) 170(VA/VB WRX, and 031 (H6).
As a simple Subie lube tech, these are much better filters than the old blue ones.
One caveat. Our Tokyo Roki filters are made in Indonesia.
PL14460 is the go to for an EJ257. Especially higher power applications.
Love your videos! You helped me feel more confident picking up a 24 Crosstrek Sport. The only thing I’m still worried about is the infotainment since the climate controls are baked into the screen. There was a class action suit on the older infotainment setups being slow, laggy, or glitchy and makes me reconsider the longevity and reliability of the infotainment. Is this something you consider a problem for someone who wants to use their cars long term? Is there anything we can do to maintain or prevent issues?
You rock!!
Keep your hands clean before using the screen, don’t spray any harsh chemicals on the screen directly and keep it dry and clean at all times, use a sunshade in the hottest days of the year hope this helps
I have a 2024 Crosstrek Limited and I think the complaints about the infotainment system are overblown. I mastered the use of mine with little difficulty. I like it.
I just use k&n on my legacy 2.5i it’s the same as wife’s CRV. Never had a problem nor a shortage lol
Napa platinum or gold for twenty years, never a problem.
Thank you
You're welcome
Not a bad surface layer visual difference. I would have done some proper testing with poor quality oil and so on to get the disagreement between people out of the way. I've never noticed a difference with these oil filters, I strongly feel if a brand had wanted the best for their cars no matter what they would have just have just given the same design overall or within the same margin (not enough to make any difference) to their whole line up. I would have taken a look at the construction of the filter media, the amount of pleats, filtered some bad oil with some particles and testing things a little further.
The titles only suggests hype in the theory of it all without any actual conclusion on the topic. I hope to see more testing on this from you.
I order off Amazon and get the Black ones every time.
Same!
Yep and just looked at mine, it’s a true Japan filter too.
Bought a service pack 12 count from NAPA labelled with Wix number 21334 but made in Korea, there were also Hyundai/KIA part numbers on the can. Happens to fit both my 2004 Sonata 2.7 and 2012 Outback 3.6. First time I've ever seen a custom molded rubber seal. The backflow seal is orange silicone.
Wouldn't use it if it says Hyundai/Kia on it 😂😂😂
I am using a Japanese Subaru filter on a Kia vehicle.
We usually put on Wix or Wix XP, at least we know who makes them and the quality won't drop whenever subaru switches suppliers.
I would suspect and certainly hope that the Indonesian filters and the Japanese ones are targeting the same specifications and performance, and ideally the same filter media. The construction would have been adjusted for local component availability as well as the machinery the plant has. Not knowing the whole story, the new filters could even be produced by a partner or subcontractor.
Think ill stick with the mazda filter every 2,500mi still for my modifed EJ. E85 dirties up oil quick
I came here to say this exact thing. Though I don't run E85 and change it out about 3.5-4k.
Sounds like the Mazda Dealer at $8 a copy sounds reasonable for my 2015 Outback.
I really appreciate this video. What is your retail site where you sell the filters?
I've just been using Mobil 1 filters...no problems.
Everytime I see a video on oil filters I always reply this:
I've been using for 10 years Mann Filters, with alot of trackdays and I've never had issues with the engine.
For the 2.4L turbo engine, WIX WL10078. Problem solved. Easy to find at O'Reilly's, etc.
I run the same on my 2020 FA20.
I would love to see a video discussing how to "defeat" nannies such as TC and Stability control. and the different models it applies to
Thinking about the blank blue emergency oil filters, the plastic E-core inside them screamed Luber-Finer, Service Champ, and sometimes Fram PH7317.
I just pickedup my Forester from a standard break repair today. Talking with them I ask if they are now useing the new black oil filter. She told me yes BUT they are having issues with them leaking between the base and the can now and then. "The tecks have learned to check them all now"
Oct. 20 2023
I’d be curious to see a filter test done on these filters by Ascent Filtration. Being a non-synthetic filter media, I wonder what the actual filtration capability and flow rate is? I know many are still stuck on the bypass spec on Subaru filters. If the filter media is capable of high flow, you’ll never reach the pressure differential that make the filter bypass in the first place.
My shop uses Six Star filters which are supposedly private label versions of the Tokyo Roki’s
Great teardown video. All new to oil filter specs and quality. Will a Mazda RX-8 oil filter work in a 2023 Outback FB25 engine?
I have a 2023 Crosstrek; I had my first oil change August in Franklin, TN and the original black filter was replaced with a Subaru-marked blue. Second oil change a couple of weeks ago with a black Subaru filter in Decatur, GA.
Seems like a lot of people are buying Subarus these days. I took a long road trip to view the eclipse and about half the cars I saw on the way to and back from Wildcat Bluff were Six-Stars.
Decatur resident here as well! Just bought my first Subir, an outback. Do you go to six Star for service and oil changes?
@@wtpanos Since I got the 3-year maintenance with the new car, I go back to Stivers Decatur Subaru.
Change oil and filter on due time and everything will run smooth, whatever filter brand.
Yep I do mine every 3 months lot of slow dusty off road driving.
Picked up a AA100 from my dealership yesterday. Can confirm, made in japan still.
I love having an rx8 and a wrx
I’ve been using a Toyota filter on a Forester I maintain - it’s the same one for the FR-S/GR86, p/n 90915-YZZS1. Denso branded, made in Thailand - its similar to the usual spin-on Toyota D1/D3/F1/N1 filters.
I use that same filter for my BRZ, switch between that and the Roki filter. The Toyota dealer I get it from sells them for around $6 compared to the Roki filter for $10. It is slightly smaller than the Roki though. So far no issues.
Way better than the blue filter
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I had a napa gold filter leak on my outback. The top was cut about 3-4 degrees from square. Napa gave me a new filter and an extra quart of oil for the trouble. Now I check them for square before installing.
good to know! (and they're suposedly made by Wix, so ... seems like a LOT of quality issues and supply chain issues these days still now. Autoline says that the supply chain has permanent damage possibly!
Interesting that they used Purolator. Purolator is all I've used for many years. I've done the same forensics across many brands, so my choice since has been Purolator followed by Wix.
I just bought 3 of them at my dealership in Sacramento. It was a buy three and get one free - came home with 4 of them. Be careful though as the filters are cheaper if you buy them on-line and then pick them up at the dealership. If you buy them at the dealership they may or may not give you the on-line price.
I ran the blue filter for 275k miles in my ‘10 OB with no issues.
right, so many people loosing sleep over a filter they throw away every 3-7k miles.
Muy buen trabajo. Creo que seria útil agregar a la comparación el filtro azul, así se dejaría más claro porque es mejor el filtro negro.
ese ya lo abrió y al parecer el filtro azul es de calidad mas baja que el aa160 y este otro de indonesia
I’ve been watching some of your videos for a while. So I decided I had to buy me a Subaru. Bought a 2005 Forester XS. How far is your shop from Waynesboro, TN? Not having any major issues yet.
Walmart super tech filters! As long as you change the oil like you should. Then they work fine.
Here in Sydney, Australia at my local Subaru service centre when I get the oil filter , it’s always been black over the years. Never seen the blue filters here 👍
I believe most of the blue filters were made in Mexico, so it would make sense you weren't getting them there. Not that they couldn't have used a different factory.
You are also ruled by the Japanese market over there, so very unsurprising facts are facts lol!
Not true blue.