How to Create Custom Meaningful Marines
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- The Space Marines or Adeptus Astartes are the centrepiece of the Warhammer 40,000 universe and for a long time, customisation of your own Warband, Chapter, or Faction has been encouraged. So how do you give that customisation meaning beyond just your 30 pages of lore that you have written? We go into how to visually give meaning to your force without giving a monologue.
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I was mislead. This isn't a guide to genetically engineering super soldiers
It's true we are frauds 😢you have exposed us
Another banger. Good for planning my Chapter Master and how he's going to look. Something between the Raven Guard and Night Haunters.
Thank you so much comments like these keep Sunny and I motivated
You know, this is something I've thought about a lot. I've always wanted to choose a legion but I never liked any except for the Word Bearers (Pre-Heresy) with their original color slate gray but I never really decided why they were my favourites, but so much time passed that I just accepted that there was no other legion i really like, just the pre-heresy word bearers and gray color scheme. If they were any other color, I feel like I wouldn't like them at all but now I find myself reading their story and painting my own army of loyal Word Bearers, all because of that color that I loved so much which is weird because i don't care for the grey knights at all. Sorry if it goes off topic but I wanted to share this experience
Feel more than free to share! We love passionate people and we love people sharing their passions
You have to remember that the legions were.. legions. Many chapters, many different color palettes and themes.
What would be a good/unique color scheme for a Native American inspired Space Marine Chapter?
I would start by looking at images of tribes you like, then find something from there. The idea of Native American needs to be spoke more with the theme, than the colour scheme. But personally I like one that you will find on a basic google search which is saturated blue and red with bright yellow accents and white accents. A classic good guy colour scheme
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow That could work
I'd suggest doing a deep dive, there are dozens upon dozens of different tribes, a lot of their cultures and colors stem from where they live and what they value. For example tribes in the south west live in desert climate, hunting that is more common in other tribes isn't as reliable so farming becomes more prevalent. So lots of light earth tones and reds become more common and the colors of blue and green become much precious and symbols of life. So I'd narrow your search and ask, what type of climate are they from? Are there specific land features that this tribe prefers, how wet or dry? How cold or warm, what animals are most prevalent? For those in the great plains it was the buffalo, but in the far north, it would be whales or wolves, or even moose. I'd suggest using available resources to help build what colors the chapter would wish to symbolize them. I hope this helps.
That's a great and well thought out response, I hope we can cultivate more comments like this and helping one another
I'm currently working on my own Native American themed chapter also! I went with a tan armor with red and blue accents. I'm calling them the Dream Catchers.
I was making a custom chapter for a couple of years now. It begins when i ran a couple of d&d games with some sort of OC, that was once a knight. Sudenly after those games i decided, that he had to be coming from a knights order, while at the same time 40k dropped primaris marines. So i started trying to kitbash something that would fit this very raw idea, since i want sure what they were about. In that period of time just for this sake of creating them i read alot of books and wiki, constantly changing them to fit not only my liking, but the universe they are about to be merged into. I repainted and reassembled my models couple of times, but that was worth it. Now they have have both desine i can enjoy and a back story fitting in the 40k world.
Sounds like like you put a lot of work in
In my opinion, the right and opportunity to invent your own custom homebrew homemade Space Marine Chapter (Hive Fleet, Craftworld, Stormhost, Free City, and so on) is the main Power of Warhammer.
This is exactly what once took me away from historical modelism (with its insane pursuit of realism and endless rivet counting) and led me to Warhammer Freedom.
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Unfortunately, this freedom is enjoyed by an overwhelming minority. Basically, I see endless faceless blue or yellow "legions" of clones, even without heraldry and numerical designations.
Some of the times people don't know how to guide their design decisions, so they just stick with what they know, that is the issue with too much freedom, when you have all the options, you become stressed and just go with what you know in the end. Like you said, you come out with the disappointing result of seeing the same result everywhere. That is why, we hope this video helps to guide people, in know what considerations are involved in making your custom marines and maybe now we maybe might see less clones - Sunny
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow it does not help that GW has been moving away from highly customizable figure kits to monopose plastic puzzles. i suspect that a lot of that comes from their losing those lawsuits against the 3rd party parts makers like chapterhouse. if they can't force 3rd parties to not make stuff for their games, they've decided to make their kits harder to convert using 3rd party kits so that players have to use GW's parts.
@@glitterboy2098 I will agree with that sentiment, our guide is designed to help people make their own custom marines...
I cannot control GW if I could well... I guess I wouldn't be running this UA-cam Channel now would I 🤣
Great video and great advice! What my chapters need is more back story I suppose.
Then vote! Vote in the current poll! And vote for Galaxy Bela'kor and Creating Lore!
And thank you for the support
I made a successor dark angels chapter founded during the 38m unknown founding and recently survived being deposited right in the octarius sector during the octarius war. to say organization is not codex compliant after the re-organization by the current chapter master is an understatement
How do you show that lore in your models?
a green shoulder pad to commemorate surviving such horde of xeno. @@WhatareyouPaintingnow
I was thinking of making some Aztecs marines
The name of the 3D artist who does Aztec marines is in the video! Search it on Gumtree
I love these types of videos! Your content is so thought provoking
Glad you think so!
The Girl is a Nice Addition to any Story / Game World
If I have the Money IRL like €50K I would try to make a Realistic Battle Suit you could wear IRL ..
I will show Sunny this comment and call her the girl for the rest of the day now ha ha ha - Cal
Yeah You mostly hear only a Male or A Girl It Is rare both are in a Video .. Just Pointing out that its a nice change@@WhatareyouPaintingnow
Yes I think a lot of people have said that they enjoy the conversational format, just like people having a discussion in the background for some people - Cal
this video works good for knights too
The video has a lot of transferable knowledge but we did center it around Space Marines because if we are going to choose one thing that will get the info out there this is it
A somewhat home brew faction that I’m currently thinking of is some space marines from of factions for example tau space marines
There is a lot of art out there of that and 3D printing stuff take a look at that
I have 3k of tactical IRL military space marines, I shave down all the ornate bits and bobs. Replace them with pouches, grenades, etc
Sounds cool so you dethemed to give them your theme
Honesty this video and the colour theory videos really just helped me feel confident and happy with the money I’ve spent on my Polish Winged Hussar marines :D
Red and silver have the good meanings for my chapter of Firstborn who are so fanatically zealous that they worship the Emperor as a God
(And being similar to the red and white of Poland, as well as being another linkage to their secret gene father of Lorgar and his Word Bearers, other than their overall personality [oh and silver linking to their affinity to machines - I gave them mechs rather than horses and bikes - and linkage to the Adeptus Mechanicus]
I’m happy that all my context clues have good psychology behind it too :D
I am glad that you got something out of it, I hope you checked out the in-depth colour psychology one because we have a section on metallics in there I think you will find interesting
Hi to my Polish fans, is there any Polish phrases you know related to painting?
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Kind of embarssing for me actually but I don’t know many more technical terms and words in Polish, on account of being raised mostly in England and therefore prioritising learning English ones 😅
@@Selvanus That's all good we would just like to learn more about the painting world out there and we know we only know a small part of it. The most important part of learning is being open to learning new things.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow And I’ll definitely be learning a bunch from these videos :D
I love the longer more essay-format videos as they’re great for background stuff when I’m painting models
@@Selvanus Glad they are earning your views 😊
this is a really cool video for starters that I would highly recommend for for any new or eager to learn hobbyists!
Thank you very much we are glad to have made the concepts simple and easy to understand enough to be recommended by you - Sunny
I’ve crafted a homebrew chapter named the Shinobi Ravens, featuring a sleek panzer grey, black, and silver palette. True to their moniker, they are stealthy warriors hailing from the lineage of Corvus Corax, infused with elements of medieval Japanese heritage. Despite my enthusiasm, my experiences in gameplay have been met with criticism; others have disparaged them as ‘cringe weeb marines’ and suggested that sticking to the original Raven Guard would have been a better option.
Presentation is key
Try being understated with how you present things and be concise - Cal
These are really great for me as I'm doing the planning for my custom Iron Hands successor based on Forge World's Mechanicum Imperial Knight models colour scheme.
Cool, if you could tell us what in particular helped you, it will hopefully help us make better videos in the future
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I think the part about the theme and space knight thing was a good realisation for me to have. Working around it etc. Color theory and cultural psychology is also nice in all of these vids.
@@Joromonni I didn't realise this until Cal said it out loud, then everything made a lot more sense to me too.
And I am really glad you found the content relevant, hopefully this will give you the tools you need, we want to give you the tools you need to create things
- Sunny
great video!
Thanks ☺
Love your videos and the theory, but you have super peaky audio, which is not helped by the mild echo, if you capped the audio level in record or post edit , it would really bring the audio in line with the information level
Working on it!
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow really do love your work , been using your metallic colour theory to make a more menacing stormcast
Amazing video once more, I'm so happyu I follow your channel I learn a lot about how to make my space marines perfect (for me and what I stand for) Thanks again for your time and till next time.
I am so glad our channel is well-loved and helpful it's nice to hear we are heading in the right direction ~Sunny
Really interesting video and some great advice although the interrupting of one another is annoying and distracts from the points being made. Looking forward to sticking around
Some people really like because its a natural conversation rather than scripted, but I can see how it would be to some peoples taste. I am glad you enjoyed for the most part
I personally like the conversational flow! I appreciate the active listening and podcast-like interjections with fancy visuals
@@camerongunter6232 Thanks, I am glad you like it, I understand the other person's point but we are just glad you like it - Cal
I am really glad you like the fancy visuals, some people don't like the use of AI art - Sunny
Just in case your curious Cal, pronounciation is pretty good but the first 's' in 'Gesamtkunstwerk' is spoken like in 'same' ☺️
Where those bases from 12:12?
As links often fail, search this number 233793982081 and eBay item there you should find the bases. I hope this helps you in your hobby journey
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow thank you much appreciated! Your new content has been great. The series on color psychology was some of the most insightful content I’ve seen in a while. I am working on a home brew and the explanation of some of the things I have chosen already was spot on! I have a few things left to hash out, but I feel like I am more in-tune with what I am trying to do. Thank you!
@@shaunnilsen858 We are glad that you are getting something out of this and we hope to produce more content that helps people in the future we are going to keep putting up the polls
I'm gonna make purple-ish Necrons and no one can stop me
Okay... you could always do that, that was always allowed... 😂
What you are saying:
Ge-stand-kunst-feld
What you are trying to say:
Ge-samt-kunst-verk (it is written Werk in german, but the german w is pronounced the same as the english v)
no hate though, great video!
After seeing this comment I said to Sunny we have to make a short where I pronounce it properly. To be fair to myself, I was remembering the word from a 5 minute UA-cam video from 11 years ago from another English speaker
Yeah I felt like he was trolling 😅
Shoutout to MrBTongue!
Indeed - Cal
This was really helpful! I've been working on a Russian themed Legion, the Winter Suns, and I've got everything from Primarch to characters to culture, just need the colours, and this helped a lot! If anyone want to give me some advice, please comment!
Well if they are Russian why not give them a red colour scheme aside from Russias history with red, the Russian language has more colours for red so they can actually see more shades of red than other language speakers like... I have forgotten the name of the African tribe from mys psychology studies which can see far more greens than Westerns but has trouble with blues..
A split complimentary scheme with Red, Aqua and Pastel Lim for a good guy look, or monochromatic for the bad guy look with deep red as your primary colour, burgundy, pink, maroon and vibrant red as accents.
Hope that helped!
I think I might be done with Space Marines.
oh boy do I feel you but a lot of people aren't
@@WhatareyouPaintingnowbetween indecision with painting and just general tactics in the game and steering towards Skirmish and OPR, yeah not really feeling it.
I love the death company of the blood angels so much and I feel like adding some iron warriors dark metal tones as well as battle damage. The black with some very little red accents like blood tears but the Aquila is bone so metal parts like under armor as well as metal weapon parts are this very charred iron. It is very simple but allows for the damage and horror of my marines faces to be more expressive in there rage. Also blood splatters on weapons and armor is so powerful to tell they are damaged and have been in battle.
Be cool if we had an app to apply paint digitally and see how it would somewhat look before we paint
There is one it's called ImpCat but you have do some extra stuff to get what you need but I don't know anything about that ☠️🦜😉 - Cal
I'm making my own chapter that's a middle-ground between the Imp Fists and the Crim Fists, too old to be Crimsons, too young to be Imperials, and while the Imperial Fists mainly protect the inner-territories from what I've researched, my chapter is sent to the outer colonies to protect the important-but-not-absolute planets from the threats of beyond. I don't know their theme yet but the color scheme is like the Crimson Fists but with bone white trim and the right arm is bone white too, signifying their "purity" of being defenders of humanity, instead of the other chapters' crusading offensives.
EDIT: I remember, my subconscious chose white and blue to be like the Scottish flag, my ancestry leading towards Clan Donald, my family being survivors of the Massacre of Glencoe. My Chapter Symbol will be similar to Clan Donald's symbol, a white right-hand gauntlet holding a spike above a crown,
Sounds like you have thought it through and want your chapter to reflect where you come from as well ~Sunny
Hey, do you have any ideas for my homebrew space marine chapter?
Their geneseed is from fulgrim, but they keep it a secret, so it is officially from the smurf papa.
They are based on the celts and are from the ultima founding, where they just appeared from the warp mysteriously and thought they were in the times of the great crusade, after learning of the heresy they decided to stay loyal, but kept their geneseed a secret.
They are not fleet based.
Any more ideas?
I like the visuals and imagery. Reminds me of art class but with warhammer for context which is quite enjoyable BUT the audio makes these very hard to watch/listen.
When the both of you are speaking softly it's quite nice but the spikes hurts quite a bit. I have to set the volume so low that I can just barely make out what you're saying most of the time and still the highs are louder than what I find comfortable listening to making me stop watching altogether.
I'll preface saying that I obviously don't know what your recording setup looks like. Same room or different countries altogether.
As there's quite a bit of editing and effort that goes in to these videos already I imagine that doing more audio mixing could make the production too long alternatively buying two separate microphones and setting up audio that way might also be out of budget for a smaller channel. Having two separate inputs of audio would make editing out interruptions a lot easier as well as that can be a bit grating as well.
As much as I'd love to watch all your videos as it's a niche that, as an old art-student, I miss but as it is right now it's unfortunately neigh unbearable for me at least and there are plenty of miniature painting related channels that I would like but don't watch because of audio-issues.
You're not the first person to mention this I have been working on it, this week tune in and tell me if it is different, we have tried a new editing technique called limiters that an audience member told me about so I hope it is a lot better but if it isn't tell us.
We are always trying to improve so let us know thank you for the comment.
For information, we are in the same room together.
This video has the new method tell us if the audio is still a problem please ua-cam.com/video/ynhNgvBtkUU/v-deo.html
My chapter is ultramarines with sons of horus colors. Two favorite chapters mixed.
oh no someone is turning chaos
Do you guys go to heretics
We have been going as hard as we can but we have plans for them beyond what we have here
i literally started an aztec themed space marine chapter about a year ago..... LMAO.
So I hope it was helpful?
Love how you slander German :) Love your YT Channel! Macht weiter so! Keep going
Glad you enjoy it! But we really tried with the German 😞 I am just apparently cursed to be monolingual - Cal
For kitbashing eBay bits sellers are your friend if you want to stick to GW bits
Yeah totally fair! But we still feel that on the whole 3D printing is cheaper that's why we brought it up
@WhatareyouPaintingnow I understand, but if you want to play in a GW store or a Tournament sponsored or run by GW, it has to be 100% GW parts.
@@ChrisKCook 100% agree that was one of our points in is 3D printing worth it
Couldnt find any meso american warhammer 40k like shown here?
Go to 2:53 write the name provided there, links often fail when we give them here "Sean Harrison" and you should be able to find it
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow tried it on the gumtree you wrote down on another person
tried etsy also
HIDDEN GEMS
Oi! Why do have to search for these comments?! What the Truck UA-cam. Thank You so much, if you think its hidden, share it!!!😁
How can the word Gesamtkunstwerk become "Gestamkunsfeld"? This is heresy.
Because I listened to Mr.B Tounge many years ago and I remembered the word from what he said rather from a native speaker.
So Australian remembers word from a UA-cam video (which sounds exactly the same as the way he said it) from an American 7 years ago, that is how that happens
This story might be a Gesamtkunstwerk in itself. I like that. Please continue undisturbed by my marching. Merry Christmas from Germany 😊
@@peterpetersen3242 Glad to hear we earned the sub! But we say it properly kinda later on so hopefully that will make up for it 😊
And of course Merry Christmas from Australia
Tfw i already know what "gesamtkunstwerk" means because I'm too terminally online. (Brian David Gilbert, safety fan and bureaucratic wunderkind made one and it's great.)
I don't know that person... But... I just mostly hope we said it right 😊
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow If you really want to know, look up "The perfect Pokérap"
Hm, I very much disagree with the core concept that all space marines are inherently "knights". Sure, in the pictures you show some of the most "knightly" marines and there are some chapters that embrace this aesthetic more than others, like Dark Angels or Grey *knights* but many of the rest doesn't. Then you mention things like shoulder pads, decoration and even hilariously helmets that are just super generic, vague and just true for armour in general and absolutely not exclusive to knights. They're just wearing power armour, is anything and everything that has armour and some decoration to be considered "knights", like T'au, Eldar or even Orkz? Take other franchises, are Halo Spartans knights? Star Wars clone/storm troopers? They fill all those criteria as well. Are marines with roman armour and details automatically more knights instead of gladiators because they have armour and you can't have armour without being a knight? So no, they absolutely will not be knights whatever you do, unless you theme them towards that design. You do not have to work around it.
I also feel you go wrong a bit with the iconography (which also is not exclusive to knights). You have two skulls with horns but doesn't really mention why one is just "mutation" and the other is demonic and chaotic and all that making the interpretation vague. Also it's the symbol of the first horned skull is for the "Librarius" as in library not "Libarius" as mentioned several times. A bit nitpicky but if one's showing and teaching about these things I'd say it's relevant.
Same with the colour theory, the completely black symbol speaks volumes as well and I feel it's not right to claim it doesn't. The lack of colour of symbols can convey just as much. If anything black is a "colour" most people would associate very closely with death. Just because you don't find much meaning in red, white and blue doesn't mean there isn't any, these countries have chosen their colours in their flag for a reason and it's borderline disrespectful to say it just doesn't have any meaning or is "overused". Just as with brighter colours > loyalist and darker > traitors is just so unfounded when there are so many, very well known examples of the opposite being true. For example how you brighten up the teal renegade marine which just makes him look more like the Thousand Sons or Alpha Legion both famous traitor legions (allegedly in the latter).
I'm sorry I don't want to be so negative but I feel you reach a lot for your ideas, you come up with a concept that is highly subjective and portray it as if that's more general and objective without putting more thought into it.
You are allowed to disagree, however, the way you have structured your response, makes us believe that you won't be convinced by anything we say. So we agree to disagree with you, if you would like to discuss things in the future, I would ask you do what we do for our audience, respect our time by making a tight argument.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Again, I am sorry but I feel you are the ones who are not making a tight argument, or any argument at all right now, nor respecting your audience's time and it is unfortunate you "agree to disagree" on questions and correction rather than address them. I pointed out some errors as they came up and some differing view points which you do not elaborate on. It was my hope that you could take some small time for your audience to explain these points. If you wish to do so I'll condense them here:
1: Why are space marines inherently "knights"? Why are the things you mention in the video not applicable to all kinds of armour?
2: Why is one horned skull representing mutation and one not? What's the difference and how does one achieve/avoid it? (Besides the fire which is separate)
3: What makes you say traitor legions are darker and loyalists brighter when there are so many objective examples of the contrary? Also, less importantly, why does black not convey anything or is associated with death but green is as mentioned regarding the Mortifactors?
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow However I am sorry if I come across as too negative and accusatory in the original comment, that was not my intent.
@@Willehable We believe you came across as dismissive.
I don't think you came across as accusatory nor do we have negative association with the word argument, however, look at your response.
You did not consider that we were talking about the videos, which are extremely tight and well edited, we respected peoples time. You only saw you. That is why we have chosen not to reason our arguments out, because you aren't willing to listen, shown by these two comments.
I do believe you are passionate and you believe yourself to be right, and that is why we can't have productive conversation, because it is about belief.
So respectfully again, we will agree to disagree, if you cannot respect that, then you have proven my first point even more strongly.
We hope you have a wonderful day
@@WhatareyouPaintingnowwell here some source world eaters , night lords , empress children use bright colours , so he is right, and I have asked you guys to bring some source to prove me wrong.
Yes you butchers the german.
Gives akward Tau smiles
Why would you pronounce "Gesamt" as "Gestalt"? You're saying letters which aren't even there 😂
I was pronouncing it from memory from a video a 5-minute video from 11 years ago... We try and be a bit freeform in our discussions so I didn't look up the word let alone know how to spell it from memory :/
how is her voice so overdriven . but great video otherwise
What do you mean by overdriven? We are always trying to improve so we would like to know
I speak German and I beg you to never attempt to speak it again.....
No promises - Cal
I love the topics and discussion but the ai art is a big turn off
We use AI art because their was no stock footage even remotely useable for Warhammer for the points we wanted to make. We are going to continue to use it and it will get better, because their will always be unique points we want to make for 5 seconds of screen time
What are you guys even on about? For a start they not all space knights please send me the source for that , and most chapters doesn’t see the Emperor as a god so that wrong too and I make plenty of homebrew before, you didn’t brought anything about making it , all you just said Colours and heraldry that doesn’t need meaning, there nothing about founded nothing about what Primarch there form, where there home world , and how can anyone even understand you? Yeah yeah form everything second.
good video but disliking because of the AI art
just to help you with the german word, because your pronunciation is not remotely unterstandable, break the word into 3 parts. Gesamt Kunst Werk. mybe that helps :D
We had another German say basically the same but I think we do it better in a later video, I think in Fallout, Basing and You video? So you can see if we flubbed it again ha ha 🥲