WyldeGi she never did anything brave that isn't brave erasing your parents memory is not brave how in what way would that be a brave thing to do lol and how does that compete with how smart she is and how naturally gifted she is like even tho you can say she has had a few times of bravery or so called bravery she is far smarter than anything else even her loyalty
Cisco4kid1990 are you crazy?! She’s super brave. Risking her life to save the world knowing that she might not make it back. And instead of trying to hold on to her parents, she lets them go. That is very brave
Even though Hermione is very clever, she is too close minded and judgemental to be in Ravenclaw. She judged Luna and Fleur before knowing them and she judged Divination before seeing if she would be interested in learning about it. She was also too headstrong with SPEW, and even though it was for a good cause, she didn't (and sometimes outright refused) to care about what anybody else thought about it and was sometimes rude to anyone who didn't 100% support her protest. A true Ravenclaw is willing to try new things and be open to different opinions and view points without harboring judgement at the start. They seek knowledge before all else so of course they couldn't be forming an opinion about something (or someone) before trying it out first. She's brave, a bit of a showoff, and is willing to disobey rules if it helps herself and her friends and family, and is willing to die for the greater good - like a Gryffindor. I think the sorting hat sorted her correctly.
The students in Ravenclaw don't actually treat Luna any better than Hermione and in most cases they act quite a bit worse. She didn't judge divination unfairly either and her opinion was based on Mcgonagall's opinion of it and I don't know what you mean about Fleur on the point of SPEW I agree with it.
joseph Buckley can you provide examples of Ravenclaws being the house that’s specifically worse to Luna then any other house? Because I’m not remembering anything of the sort. And yes there are assholes in every house and every house can show attributes from other houses. Some Gryffindors can be cowards, some Hufflepuffs can be lazy, etc. Um yes she did judge Divination unfairly. You said it yourself she already formed any opinion even before she stepped into the room on the first day of term. She intended on hating it even before giving it a try. And yes she did judge Fleur by how mean she was to her in book 5 (she had preconceived opinions about her, and about Luna and Divination. Again, not a Ravenclaw trait). This isn’t a rant against Hermione. She’s my second favorite character from the series. I actually appreciate how flawed she is and that she’s not a Mary Sue. I’m only explaining how her /overall/ personality and actions are not traits Ravenclaws put in high esteem and Hermione said so herself that she thinks the traits from Gryffindor are more important to have. She acts way more like a Gryffindor and she also chose that house to be in.
People have to understand that Ravenclaw isn't just the "smart house". Beeing a ravenclaw is also about creativity and acceptance. Hermoine is smart that is a fact, but she is so stubborn with the houselves and divination and I don't think she would make a good Ravenclaw. Stubborness and bravery are more fitting for a Griffindor if you ask me.
No, she's Gryffindor because she want to, as simple as that, if Ravenclaw about acceptance then Gilderoy Lockhart and Cho Chang shouldn't be placed in Ravenclaw
@@Alana_S924 I think after getting passed e headed dogs, going back in time with a werewolf,fighting death eaters and destroying horcruxes she deserves a Griffyndor status
How Hogwarts students fix a lightbulb: 3 Hufflepuff’s carrying a ladder 1 Slytherin breaking the lightbulb 1 Gryffindor changing the lightbulb 1 Ravenclaw pointing out that they could’ve used magic
One theory is that the Sorting Hat not only uses traits a child already has, but also who they wish to be. For example, Neville wasnt brave in the beginning, but he WANTED to be.
Neville also ended up being extremely brave as he was at what seemed to be the very end, the first one to defy Voldemort and his forces before it's revealed Harry isn't dead
Honestly I think the Sorting Hat takes the subjects desire into a stronger consideration then simply based on their character traits. Like Harry SHOULD have been Slytherin but because he WANTED to be Griffindor so the Hat weighed that want more then where Harry's character traits.
Harry: The Slytherin Gryffindor Ron: The Hufflepuff Gryffindor Hermione: The Ravenclaw Gryffindor Edit: I just want to say I made this post two years ago and have never stopped being entertained by the comments.
Ron didn't belong in either of the four houses at the beginning of the school... And most certainly not in Hufflepuff or in ravenclaw.. Slytherin according to me might have been a good choice cuz he had said to harry about his concerns of doing well and outshining his brothers.. But then it's what one values and not what one has that the hat takes into account
Teacher: What is the definition of machine? Hermione: A machine is a mechanical structure that uses power to apply forces and control movement to perform an intended action. They can also include computers and sensors that monitor performance and plan movement, often called mechanical systems. A ravenclaw: Basically what makes work easier
She didn’t step in front of Harry in the shrieking shack, in the books it was Ron who did that (with a broken leg!). That’s one of Rons best moments and the movies just hand it to Hermione. The movies ruined Ron’s character and made it seem like Hermione was all perfect. Not that I hate Hermione or something, but everyone has their flaws and I think that’s a good thing. That’s why I hate that in the movies all her flaws are brushed away.
@@iamjynn yea no it doesn't and Ron is my favorite and it's just sad how many people hate him because of the movies and I love Hermione in the books exactly because of her flaws
Rowling originally planned for Hermione to be in Ravenclaw and Ron to be in Hufflepuff. It's only when she continued the world building and created commons room's and such, she realized that there weren't enough chances for them to socialize if they were in different houses, so she put them all in the same house.
Really? That is a surprise. They all seem like Gryffindors to me. Although it does explain why hufflepuff kinda.... doesn't do much except observe the others.
Hermione wasn’t suitable for Ravenclaw Hear me out before you tear me down! Rawenclaws might be known for being smart, but they are also known for being creative and open to new possibilities and knowledge. Most Ravenclaws are open minded people because you can never know everything and even if what you say doesn’t sound very possible, they will still consider it even if it’s momentarily. Hermione is a righteous know it all usually bordering arrogance with her attitude and dismissive of most things she hears from others because the books she read says otherwise. She is pretty close minded and usually believes she knows best unless the other person has some sort of higher status knowledge wise like the teachers or Dumbledore. You can see this pretty clearly in her interactions with Luna Lovegood. In the end I think the sorting hat recognized this and placed her Gryffindor because of these qualities. Just being smart doesn’t make you a Ravenclaw.
Yeah, and if you know the lore, if you wanted to enter the Ravenclaw Common Room, you have to answer riddles. Hermione would be good in solving problems like Snape's potion puzzle in the 1st book, but that was pure logic. If she was given the riddle (the one answered by Luna) about Phoenix and its flame (akin to chicken vs egg riddle), Hermione would go on about facts why the question is not valid that you can't scientifically decide which one's first, and she'd have a hard time entering the tower. So, rather than cleverness and logic, Ravenclaw preffered wit.
Hermione did have a rebellious streak. Saying she went after the troll herself to save Harry and Ron even though she didn't have to. Being the leading voice in getting Harry to teach Dumbledore's Army DADA. That's why she was in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw.
@@Shadow-iv9ft the first movie deleted the potions riddle that Hermione was supposed to solve alone. There had to be some contribution from her as well. Ron had the chess and Harry had flying keys and the mirror of erised.
The movies took most of Ron's best moments, like the one you mentioned, and gave them to Hermione. They made Hermione appear flawless, when in the books, she has her flaws. (Don't get me wrong, I love Emma Watson as Hermione Granger)
I think the biggest indicator of why Hermione was put in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw is clearly depicted in the Half Blood Prince. When Harry offers Hermione a copy of the potions book with the Half Blood Prince's additions in it, Hermione turns her nose up at it and insists on doing things the "right" way. A true born Ravenclaw would not have such an attitude towards the additions in potions book; rather they would insist on reading through it and determining how the Prince managed to conjure up these superior methods and why they work. Also, because of Ravenclaw's desire for excellence, they probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to access resources that would help them top the class.
@samantha smith That's now how you talk to someone who disagrees with you sweetie. Everyone has their own opinions, especially about fiction and books, and the appropriate thing to do is have a discussion about it, not call someone stupid over and over again. You have a bit of growing up to do, which I won''t fault you for.
Remember what Einstein said, “Imagination is more important than knowledge”, hence why Hermione wasn’t in Ravenclaw. She values knowledge more than imagination because she relies on books too much, and she always insisted on following the instructions, instead of having an open mind.
I agree. Hermione is quite arrogant as she strives to "know it all" - this stems from her close-mindedness. Her quick temper when others don't think the way she does (e.g. recruiting for SPEW, berating Harry and Ron for not caring about their studies, disrespecting Trelawney because of divination, etc) as well as her desire to prove herself worthy of having magic despite being a muggleborn, is also a result of her close-mindedness and leads to arrogance. In contrast, Lockhart, a Ravenclaw, was also arrogant and sought fame, but this was because he went beyond the rules of society (i.e. his open-mindedness). Like you've pointed out, I think that the open vs close minded view of the world is what differentiates a Ravenclaw, regardless of their intelligence level. With this in mind I don't quite get why Hermione almost had a hat stall when she was being sorted. The Sorting Hat would've seen that she's very close-minded, a trait that persists up till the final book, and that there was very little that could've been done to change that. Was the hat trying to decide if putting her in Ravenclaw would've helped her gain an open mind, or if her intelligence trumped her closed minded personality?
exactly, an engineer (or someone particularly smart in general) will most likely be well aware of the books knowledge, but will be able to easily adapt and rely on the "hit stuff with a hammer" method when that is ideal. something that someone reliant on books won't do, and will prefer to take the long way around, or not act at all. someone smart doesn't just know how to use tools, they also know when a tool is unnecessary and what corners to cut in order to save time and money. as I like to say "anybody can make something light, or something strong, but it takes an engineer, to make something light and strong."
@@lenanana8 I recently read the deathly hallows and she is incredibly annoying. Her close mindedness and arrogance towards Harry when he talks about the wand not working or the visions he has. Harry never calls her out on it multiple times cause he doesn’t want to make an argument. Compare this to someone like Luna who was very open minded and willing to contemplate all the ideas including ridiculous ones. Hermione wasn’t like this.
@@Wanted797 Yeah that was one of the things that annoyed me. As someone who was (and still is) very nerdy and academically inclined as a child, I would enjoy reading as many books as possible and really enjoyed referring to books and the written knowledge for guidance. What disappoints me a lot about Hermione's character gives a lot of academically inclined habits like this a bad rap, which is terrible for young people! Throughout the series she is arrogant enough to believe her own knowledge stands above anything an older person or teacher could ever say that would contradict her. This character trait of hers makes her a fascinating character, but a terrible young woman role model.
I think that is a too narrow take. She soaks in knowledge from books, but she is a quick thinker and the most important trait: she is able to take that knowledge and apply it (on the spot) in different situations and solve real life problems....which requires a big deal of imagination someone who only follows instructions cannot do that.
When I first began reading the Harry Potter books one of my first questions was “why isn’t Hermione in Ravenclaw?” But as I got through the books I noticed she struggled thinking outside of the box. She was amazingly intelligent but was too close/narrow minded.
I think Hermione wasn’t sorted into Ravenclaw because, though she is very intelligent, she is also close-minded and quite judgemental, she was quite rude to Luna, without even properly getting to know her, she also scoffed at Fleur and treated her poorly even though Fleur is quite a genuine person, despite being a little conceited. She is also not open to new ideas, immediately arguing about the Deathly Hallows case, and refusing to believe it, when, truly, the Deathly Hallows were actually real. She also argued and ignored other people’s thoughts about S.P.E.W even though she had plain and obvious evidence and proof that house-elves enjoyed working and then even went to the length of potentially ridding Hogwarts of it’s cooks, cleaners, etc. Ravenclaws are creative, witty, intelligent and open-minded, Hermione is intelligent but that doesn’t make her a a Ravenclaw.
Having good memory is not the same thing as being intelligent. Not even remotely. She doesn't even seem to be hunger for knowledge. She never tried to figure out how things work. She did learned textbooks and tried her best to be perfect student but she never showed any genuine interest in knowledge. Thus she definitely doesn't belong to the company of scholars and researches.
@@skipperg4436 She absolutely did. In the first book she consistently reads books outside her assigned subjects to gain knowledge. She figured out the Basilisk in the second book and came up with the mirror idea to protect against it's eyes. In the third book when Lupin mentions Animagus, she says she researched the current Animangus registry after Mcgonnagal covered them, completely outside the bounds of her assignment because she was interested in learning more. She also was the only one to figure out that Lupin was a werewolf following Snape's assignment. In the fourth book she discovers Rita's an animagus by taking what she learned about unregistered animaguses the previous year and applying it to the clues everyone had been repeating about the beetle all year. In the fifth she had the Protean charm on the galleons and the failsafe idea for a traitor in the DA. At the end of the 6th shes the one that takes time and think/plan for life on the run. I honestly don't know how you read the books and think she doesn't hunger for knowledge, want to figure out how things work, or show genuine interest in knowledge. It's honestly an objectively bad take
I think also that while brilliant, Hermione might have been just a little too practical in nature. I picture the Ravenclaws being the outside of the box thinkers, like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Stephen Hawking. I could see Luna fitting in with that type of thinking. Not just a general "I'm smart and spend all day in the library" kind of intelligence, but more of an intuitive and creative type of brilliance. Hemione had moments of that, sure, but in general, what she does comes from diligent study and work more than innate understanding,
a true "out of the box" thinker wudda figured out the correct way to brew the Draught of Living Death without needing help from the Half-Blood Prince's book. that's why Hermione wasn't in Ravencl ... wait a minute, Snape wasn't in Ravenclaw eithe ... oh never mind!
@@JuanMataCFC That's exactly what I mean. Once it came to the part of the knowledge you can't get from books, she was pretty average. You bring up a really good point though. With Snape's genius in potions and creating spells, should he have been a Ravenclaw? I wonder if the hat considered it. Maybe his thirst to prove himself was just stronger.
@@Me-wk3ix i have a theory that Snape shudda been sorted into Gryffindor. we know that Lily Evans comes alphabetically before Severus Snape, so surely Snape wudda tried to convince the Hat to put him in Gryffindor with Lily right? he even exhibits the Gryffindor traits so much in the series. he risked his life when he initially joined Hogwarts as a teacher (if Dumbledore ever found out he was a Death Eater), and then after Voldemort fell at the hands of baby Harry Snape put his life in even more danger to keep Harry safe!
People forget that the reason Neville almost was a hat-stall was because he was arguing with the Sorting Hat to be placed in Hufflepuff when the Hat wanted to place him in Gryffindor. That is SUCH a Gryffindor thing to do like how the heck could people NOT see that??
Gryffindors have an energy around them that just screams they are ALWAYS ready for a fight. Fighting with the hat in this instance is a very Gryffindor thing to do. Other houses are also down for a fight but that comes with different circumstances than Gryffindor. Not to mention Gryffindors are incredibly stubborn in their ideas as well so Neville constantly saying to the hat (presumably) "no, place me in Hufflepuff" is just so Gryffindor. I'm pretty sure the only house that would ask the hat to place them somewhere specific is Gryffindor (Harry asked the hat to NOT place him in Slytherin and then fought him to stay out of Slytherin, thus immediately being placed in Gryffindor) and because Neville asked to be placed in Hufflepuff then then argued with the hat to be placed there that just completely solidified his standing as a Gryffindor. If the hat is having trouble deciding between two houses it COULD ask the student for it's preference but that is different then just outright asking for a specific house, or in Harry's case, being excluded from a specific house. I'm sorry I kind of rambled a lot but does this make any sense?
@@MiniKitty27 yes it makes total sense. Mcgonogall also was a hat stall, and I can see her telling the sorting hat, no, bravery is more important to me, I must be in gryffindor!
The reason why Hermoine isn't in Ravenclaw is because Ravenclaw students are people who would create DIY stuff, come up with extraordinary ideas, and are very imaginative. Hermoine however relies on books, as you can see she only followed the instructions on the book at Slughorn's potion class in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.
I love this quote, I think of it everyday. By the way, it was me that was the first person to like your comment. I know that UA-cam always says, "someone liked your comment," but it never says who!
One thing everyone forgets about Ravenclaws is that they are hella creative. Artists/Authors are more likely to end up in Ravenclaw than actual scholars. Ravenclaws believe in discovery and most feel like bringing something new into the buissness than use something that is already there. That i a trait that Hermione lacks. Yes, she is intelligent, but she is not much of a creative person as she is always following what is there instead of believing something new.
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The Sorting Hat always considers the student's wish. In the first book Hermione clearly said she thought Gryffindor was the best house, and Ravenclaw second. Imagine the eleven year old Hermione being asked which house she wants to be in, she would have picked the best house to her knowledge. But Hermione is obviously brave. She is not the type of physical fighter like Harry but she's very daring in her decisions. Many times it was Hermione to come up with the crazy ideas. Also note that Harry was friend with Ron first, and Hermione kinda stuck around the boys. She encountered danger but she stayed, even enjoyed it. No one asked Hermione to join Harry's crazy lifestyle. She could've had a much easier life had she only focused on studying. But she was a true Gryffindor.
Yes. I'd say The Sorting Hat is about what the student values. Personality and traits are not value. A coward can value bravery. An intellectual can value bravery more than intellect. A talented person can value togetherness and fairness.
*A lot of people say Hermione would fit into Ravenclaw more than the house she is in now, because of her intelligence and creative ideas. But personally, I think Gryffindor fits Hermione perfectly. She is adventurous, brave and loyal, most of all, she values friendship. Besides, if she wasn't in Gryffindor, she would never have met Harry and Ron. This also proves how important she is to the Golden Trio Triangle.*
I always thought that Hermione getting through the Bellatrix torture, in the end mostly unscathed, and then even after that, actually becoming her previous torturer through Polyjuice Potion to infiltrate her bank vault, was the most significant example of her bravery, and what convinced me as a kid that Gryffindor was the right house for her, because I too used to be confused as to her placement XD
Well she had already displayed a lot of bravery. I mean... She always had balls. She petrified Neville when he stood up to them in their first year. It takes courage to fight a friend. She went searching for the Basilisk even though she was aware of how dangerous it was. She was the one who came with the idea of creating Dumbledore's Army, which was a ver risky idea. She was the one who came up with the even riskier plan to ambush Umbridge, which could have gone very wrong. I mean, she was always willing to take risks if they were worth the cause... She even dropped out of Hogwarts (and you know how much she cared about education) in the 7th year to help Harry find the Horcruxes... Overall she was always helped Harry and she fought the Death Eaters on multiple occasions, even though it wasn't her fight. Apart from the final battle at Hogwarts, she could have avoided all the troubles that the trio went through, if she minded her own business... But she chose to help Harry, putting her safety at risk, even though she didn't have to. Not only she was brave, but she was selfless and willing to fight for her friends.
@@cel.2263 I feel like this scene is both a hufflepuff/ravenclaw and gryffindor moment. Because if Hermonie got killed her parents wouldn't have to go through grief because of her. It shows how caring, smart and couragous she is.
"New approaches to conventional methods of spell conjuring or potion making" Not really, she follows instruction. I believe in the Half-Blood Prince, when Harry is doing different instruction while making potions, that Hermione is frustrated at Harry, and doesn't change her method because she can only follow what her book is telling her. During her Divination classes, rather than trying to look past the practical and open up and read the teacups, she just blurts out what she THINKS Prof Trelawney wants to hear. She's always looking for an absolute, and I don't think that's how Ravenclaw works. Take the Door riddle: "Which came first, the phoenix, or the flame?" Hermione would NEVER be able to answer that question, because she would be too focused on the fact that she was given 2 options and there fore it has to be one of them She would never consider that "A circle has no end"
She will be able to answer that question, maybe not as a teenager but as an adult most certainly so. That question was answered by McGonagall who was a true gryffindor and didn't believe in divination despite spending more than a decade with trelawney at the same campus and didn't trust the trio when they told her abiut the philosopher's stone getting stolen. Hermione is wise but close mined even McGonagall is like that
Problem being Life has a Beginning and an End, and fire is primordial while life is more complex, thus magical fire has to exist before a creature that has properties of magical fire can exist. A circle has no end is just nonsense of trying to sound deep and wise. Though personally I've always wondered if the Ravenclaw door doesn't require a set correct answer, but rather that you could defend why your answer was acceptable, since regurgitating the answer to a list of questions isn't intelligence or wit, or a way to keep the other Houses out.
*possibly...but more likely she was convinced when she was given a problem or question she was always right with the answer she eventually presented or knew where the information was likely to be found even if it might be in an unusually cryptic and magically protected form...she would not stop until she had the answer even if the process might prove to be dangerous, once she started she was not going to let it go until she had what she was looking for*
But she isn't close minded. She created Dumbledore's army convinced Harry to lead and Ginny named it. Hermione created magical texting before texting with coins how is that close minded. How is it close minded to go from not knowing magic to embracing it and embracing fact you're magical.
I tend to agree with the conclusions expressed in this video. Luna Lovegood is a good example. Luna didn’t outwardly express the traits of a Ravenclaw, but she turned out to have a deeply penetrating mind that looked past superficial things, opting to see things for the way they were. She wasn’t as hair brained as she presented herself. Even (edit) her blind spots (like believing in fantasy creatures that her father believed in) were never an impediment to her pragmatic understanding of the world.
I will go a different way. The hat often puts people in houses to help them encourage specific traits. Neville would have been a good fit for Hufflepuff, and everyone their would have loved and accepted him, but he would have never grown. If the hat had put Hermione in Ravenclaw she would have been a fine student, but never grown beyond her bookish boring character. Putting both Hermione and Neville in Gryffindor forced them to grow and do things they would never have done on their own.
I heard one on the subject sometime ago which seemed to reach a satisfactory conclusion on the matter. If the Sorting Hat places students into houses based on what they consider the most worthy trait, then it would make some sense that sniveling, cowardly, hero wannabe Peter would place courage at the pinnacle of desirable. Unfortunately, he never felt any confidence in himself, especially compared to his friends, and he serves as an example of what happens when someone metaphorically sells their soul. Another example of this is Gilderoy Lockhart, a Ravenclaw who turned his back on the pursuit of knowledge to further his own thirst for fame and a quick route to the recognition he thought his "genius" deserved. This eventually resulted ironically enough in his mind being permanently damaged.
Not advertising other channels, but Harry Potter Folklore already covered it. Pettigrew was too disloyal to be a Hufflepuff, to stupid to be a Ravenclaw, and too lazy and unambitious to be a Slytherin. Despite not being brave like a Gryffindor, he valued bravery strongly, wanting to be like James and the other Marauders. The Sorting Hat takes valued traits and personal choices into consideration. Pettigrew was a hatstall, where the hat is unsure what house to put someone in for over five minutes. Pettigrew was between Gryffindor and Slytherin, but at the end the hat gave in and sorted him into Gryffindor
HERIONE ACTS NOTHING LIKE A RAVENCLAW, a Ravenclaw isn't smart, they're just called that because most of of them are smart, a true Ravenclaw's traits are creative, think outside the box, and curious, Hermione acts like none of these
she can be creative and think outside the box but she is just a practical thinker meaning she would rather do things like it's stated in the books she's read rather than trying a new way because of the risk involved
*cough * Hermione: so you guys have any ideas? Harry: your the one with ideas! Hermione: I have one but it’s crazy *jumps onto the dragon * come on! Harry: *jumps on * Ron: *jumps on * Hermione: *literally rides the dragon out of the bank *
Why was Hermonie in Gryffindor and not Ravenclaw? Simple, in the first book she said she studied up on the houses and hopes she gets Gryffindor. As we find out at the end of book 1 when Dumbledore is talking to Harry, Harry is told the Sorting Hat takes the new student's preference into account.
@@dreamyanon5151 She wanted to be in Gryffindor because it sounded cool. She was probably a Ravenclaw in her old school... You know, the one kid who reads a book during break and watches the popular kids playing in playground frowning at their immaturity, but deep inside wishes she could be part of that group too. This was her chance to reinvent herself. She was very lucky Voldemort was sneaking around the school trying to kill Harry, or she would have ended up without friends
@@AnzuBrief yeah, but she lacks individuality and creativity . She would rather do everything by the book rather than think of her own soloution , we see those qualities in people suck as Luna :) ~ Sofia the ravenclaw :)
I always felt like when there was a debate between which house to sort someone into, the hat went with the house that had an environment that would lead to the greatest personal growth. I think if Hermione was in Ravenclaw, she simply would not have been challenged enough in ways that made her a stronger, better person. Glad to see this mentioned in the video :)
In the book, Ron, with his broken leg, is the one who stepped in front of Harry to save him from Sirius Black. In the movie, they gave it to Hermione. I love Hermione, but they took too much away from Ron in the movies in order to build up Hermione even more, and in the process, they made Ron a bit of a joke figure rather than an equal part of the trio that he was in the book.
I, as a Ravenclaw, have no idea where the confusion comes from lol. Yes Hermione was smart but her dominant traits and personality were gryffindor. I think we are allowed to have complex characters/ personalities and have personalities that overlap with different houses! And besides, it isn't very accurate to say that Ravenclaws are bookish and smart, it is much more a house of creativity than books (although we tend to love them). Hermione fits her house perfectly!
Who knows what Peter was like at age eleven? People do change. We could ask why Remus was in Gryffindor as well. We should also ask why Draco was in Slytherin given his actions. Maye the Hat saw his overwhelming ambition to be a robe kisser like "His father"?
The answer is she is a griffindor from the core of her heart. When Harry said *"Not better (wizard) than you"* So Hermione said *"Me ? Books and Cleverness. There are more important things , friendship and bravery"* Therefore , her first priority was Bravery and Friendship.
The golden trio was a representation of each house, Hermione being Ravenclaw, Ron being Hufflepuff, and Harry being Slytherin, all combining to Gryffindor. that’s why they were in these other houses that their personalities and traits obviously were meant for.
One of the lines from Hermione that sums it up the most: “‘Are you planning to follow a career in Magical Law, Miss Granger?’ asked Scrimgeour. ‘No, I’m not,’ retorted Hermione. ‘I’m hoping to do some good in the world!'”
I agree that Hermione was placed in the House in the most NEED of her abilities and talents. And the Hat surely viewed her values as a preeminent component in picking Gryffindor...or did it? Hermione is boldly independent, and while she is iron clad in upholding the rules, she grows to see that there are greater concerns. I hear Neville, Peter, and even Cedric often as possibly being sorted into the wrong house. And Dumbledore himself states that he thinks that AT TIMES students are sorted too soon. But...what if the sorting hat chooses based on two things..rather than one? Each House has a list of what they desire in each student, hence there is the House's needs accounted for. But, instead of a student's values, what if it's based on what each Student NEEDS from Hogwarts? If we use that criteria, Neville's growth from a bumbling inept student to a defender of students and killer of Nagini, et al. shows that he needed the opportunities to be brave...something he would not get in Hufflepuff (the most common alternative House for Neville) So. If we view it that way, we can see Peter NEEDED to learn to be good and brave...and while he largely failed, he was successful by the slimmest of margins. Cedric may have needed the House that required hard work to excel...or maybe not. But it's possible. At least, that's my amendment to the value theory of sorting. 😊
Ravenclaws love learning, not necessarily studying. Hermione is a very clever witch, but she owes it mostly to the books and her studies. She has no particular artistic talent, too.
I know this is 2 years late but this made me laugh so much because it's definitely accurate. I'm a Ravenclaw myself and I love learning but I hate studying and doing homework. As much as I love books it's not the only thing that is out there. And I truly value creativity and I'm constantly questioning everything.
I think the more intelligent a person is, the harder it is to be brave. For a person to be brave, they must first see the dangers of an action but they still take it because it is the right thing to do. For a person to be intelligent they must be able to think things through and understand risks and benefits for taking actions. For example, a person of a fair level of intelligence might look at crossing a stream and think "I must be careful not to slip, and current might carry me away." Whereas a person of a great level of intelligence might look at crossing a stream and think "I must be careful where I step, the rocks are most likely slippery and it might be deeper than it looks in some parts, I could drown". Both would be considered brave to cross the stream but I think one more aware of how dangerous it is is showing much more bravery.
Many Very Intelligent People Understand the Consequences of failing to act with Courage. Courageous is not not necessarily "Foolhardy" many cowards don't consider that their actions may place them in greater danger. Calculated Risk is still Courageous Action!
Just feel the need to say that in the book it was RON that stepped in front of Sirius, on a broken leg. Sorry, your point still totally stands, I just always have to stand up for Ron as I feel like he was done so dirty in the movies. Awesome video as always!
@@matthewvp8507 I know right? In the book, Hermione figures out that they need fire, but now how to get it (though during the first year it was her specialty). Ron actually had to point out that she could create it with magic.
Hermione was all around one of the best characters. She was brave, smart, also incredibly loyal and talented. If you really think about it, she could have literally been in any house. She likely hung out with alot of Ravenclaws, she knew of them upon them being introduced into the story, Harry and Ron had no clue but she seemed familiar with them all.
She could've been in any of the four houses as she was brave, loyal, smart, and ambitious. But I think it made sense for her to be in Gryffindor as it was the house she had a preference for.
@@alejandrorivera6122 though slytherin highly valued pure status he didnt necessarily store a preference for pure status in the hat and with the other 3 founders watching they prolly would have stopped him from storing that. plus even though tom riddle was slytherin's heir HE WAS A HALF BLOOD and the father half wasnt even mudblood it was muggle blood. which would have instantly got him disowned if slytherin was alive. im sure any mudblood that was sent to slytherin was heckled for a time. but remember that with a desire for ambition often comes cleverness, charm or some kind of other "power" like physical strength or rare magics. tom riddle was absolutely ridiculed as a muggle halfblood in slytherin house. until he found a friend group and proved himself. so it was more intense fraternity heckling until you prove yourself. the extreme thirst for purity only entered slytherin during dark times like voldemort's era. since voldemort's followers were extremists and wanted slytherin full of recruits. so that extremest outlook bled into the view that their children would have had. think about draco malfoy's character as well. though he was quite the perfect match for slytherin house, once voldemort recruited him and pushed a job onto him he quite literally fell apart. so coming from a dark wizard backgroud might make you a high match for slytherin house but doesnt mean you will 100% make you have salazaar's personality. the hat doesnt sort you based on if you ARE like salazaar but for his ideals which were ambition and power hungry. both traits which even a mudblood can have as a personality trait.
Mudbloods can't be in Slytherin, the other kids wouldn't get along with her. Regardless I always wished she dated Draco instead of Ron but I guess he would never allow that either.
@@canadianbeef1958 no, mudbloods can and do end up in slytherin. quite a few slytherins are half-bloods even (meaning the sin of having a muggle parent). there is no enchantment preventing it. it is just UNSAFE for mudbloods to exist AT ALL in times like when voldemort was in power (pre-Harry and possibly during year 5-7of Harry), or when the ministry was literally detaining mudbloods asking who they stole their magic from.
i don't think she's judgemental just extremely practical so, for example, when she decided she didn't like divination, it was because she already had set goals and didn't see divination as of use to her.
@@EscargoTouChaud The elves didn’t want to be freed,though.The elves were happy working for Hogwarts.Hermione saw that one elf didn’t like where they were and immediately assumed that was how all elves were,The Malfoys treated Dobby badly which isn’t always the case.Sure she might have stood up for Neville a few times but what about Luna?Hermione said to Harry that he could get better people to support him,She didn’t even know Luna at this point she just said that after knowing people referred to Luna as Loony.She also said the Quibbler was rubbish yet there’s never any mention from Hermione of the Quibbler beforehand so we can take that to mean she never read it and is just going by what she heard.I don’t dislike Hermione but everyone seems to gloss over her flaws and it annoys me because so many other characters get hate for minor things that happened maybe one time
I've seen a theory floating around that I like a lot. Its that, to be a Gryffindor you simply have to be brave enough to ask. Otherwise you are placed elsewhere based on ambition, hard work, or intelligence. Neville was debated between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor and chose Gryffindor so to not disapoint his grandmother. Harry was poised to be in Slytherin because of Voldemort. And Ron obviously would choose Gryffindor because his family were all Gryffindor.
7:58 it was ron that stood in front of harry in the books, the movie just adapted that scene for hermione to do that because ron is more of a comic relief character in the movies and the directors favored Hermione.
In the books, Ron was much braver, a lot of what Hermione does in the movies, were originally mostly Ron’s actions. The devils snare, he kept his head cool, and Hermione was the one to panic.
Bc Harry didn’t want to be in slytherin..... he was a gryffindor at heart but had a part of Voldemort inside him..... therefore the hat defaulted to gryffindor..... but Neville was truly was a gryffindor, he just didn’t know it..... he didn’t realize he could be brave
I think the Hat was deciding between two houses with Harry. Remember the dialogue from his Sorting--the Hat said tht Slytherin would help him on his way to greatness..... But Harry wanted no part of Slytherin.
As. I read it, Harry was near equally suited for all four houses. By firmly expressing his preference to not be in Slytherin, he showed the courage required to tip the scales to Gryffindor. In Neville's case, he probably would have done well in Hufflepuff, but I suspect he wished he shared the bravery his parents had, which made the hat decide that would be the path for him with the most potential.
Flitwick was also split between Gryffindor and Ravenclaw before being Sorted into the latter. He and McGonagall joked that had the Hat chosen Gryffindor for Flitwick and Ravenclaw for Minerva, they would’ve exchanged positions as Heads of Houses.
@@ElementVoidX Actually, in the PC version of Chamber of Secrets, Flitwick dismisses the Chamber of Secrets legend as “All nonsense of course” and said “Now back to magic reality,” but really, what IS reality in Harry Potter?
I think that what truly defines a ravenclaw is to think deeply. Hermione tends to think very logically. For example, if a murder occured the ravenclaw would be more interested in what went through their minds and the gryffindor would want to know the actual. Luna and Hermione would be a good example.
the part about neville hit me. I would say by the end of the series he displayed the most bravery. Being the only character to stand up to voldemort when they thought harry was dead.
Why do people always forgett that Hermione didn't stand up to Sirius in the book's. That was Ron with a broken leg. Also Ron had to remind Hermione that she was a witch after she panicked because they had no sun light to defeat the devil's snare. Also Hermione didn't know what a mudblood was when malfoy called her that. Ron explained that to them and so on. In the movies they took away all her more bad qualities and gave all of brave stuff Ron does to her. They also make Ron dumber than he is and more crule towards Hermione. Even when they had a fight Ron defended Hermione in the books when Snape called her an insufferable know it all. It irritates me to no end that a strong female character like Hermione is not allowed to have any flaws in these movies. That she and Harry never have a disagreement because sometimes Ron has a point and sometimes the boys are both idiots. It also annoyed me that they made Ron act crule towards her because Hermione marries him in the end. In the book's they actually have potential to be a happy couple in the future. When they grow up and learn to make compromises. In the movie the perfect smart Woman gets married to her mean friend from school. Also i like Hermione better with her flaws :)
She couldn't be a Ravenclaw because she put more value into getting the correct answer than obtaining the knowledge required get the right answer. It's a fundamental difference in motivation, pursuit and goal. Ya know? 🤷♀️ Like Luna is about the journey and all our Gryffindors are more destination people... 😂 😂
And I think Hermione is actually not very intelligent at all. It's fairly obvious she has an eidetic memory given her ability to memorize all her course books and additional ones before she starts Hogwarts. Given that genetic quirk, if you DON'T get high marks in a school like Hogwarts, which focuses on rote memorization, something is wrong. To me, Hermione is an organic photo copier with its scan and repeat function, original and creative out of the box thinking is beyond her. Fred and George are far better at true magic, which is all about imagination, than Hermione will ever be. She's a Gryffindor because she mentally screamed that as soon as the Hat touched her head, she wanted to be in the same house as Dumbledore was, no other reason.
John Fisher Thank you! I never viewed her as smart. She seems to study and learn for the sake of a grade. She regurgitates what she learns word for word. She doesn't seek knowledge for the sake of learning interesting things or for the sake of just learning.
I agree with this. She does show Griffindor qualities. And it's not only dumb bravery, it's also nobility that sets griffindor apart. Also, just like Harry, I think Hermione was given a choice and opted not to go to Ravenclaw. She was a highly intelligent muggleborn (and thus, feeling like a stranger amongst wizard) who determined to show her worth to its fullest, and it's easier to do so in house less revolved about brainpower, to stand out more. So I wouldn't be surprised if she whispered "Not the Ravenclaw". Her behaviour towards H-B Prince is a clear proof of that in my eyes.
ravenclaw was more about originality, out of the box thinking and unusual intelligence. typical ravenclaw is Luna Lovegood and she is really the exact opposite of hermione. though both are smart, each in very different way.
Ravenclaw isn't defined by intelligence, which is a common misconception. Wit, adaptability, creativity, open-mindedness and the pursuit of knowledge are all equally Ravenclaw traits. Hermione was adaptable and valued academic knowledge, but she could also be exceptionally stubborn, close-minded and at times egotistical (same as McGonagal). Similarly, Luna Lovegood wasn't as intelligent as Hermione (bit of an airhead), but she didn't shy away from more curious magical studies like magizoology and divination. She didn't judge, at times wise, she was exceptionally creative with a unique personality that did not conform to her peers which made her the perfect fit for Ravenclaw. The Divination scene in Prisoner of Azkaban is a perfect example. It was the first time Hermione EVER in her years at Hogwarts had to confront a field of magical study that she simply couldn't do, and when subsequently roasted by Professor Trelawney for being unable to think and perceive in the abstract, stormed off.
As it did for Harry, the Sorting Hat considered Hermione's interest as well as her true ability of cleverness and bravery. But deep down Hermione is very brave!
Perhaps the Sorting Hat has some precognitive abilities that allow him to sense what the character is like in the future as well as in the present. As people's personalities and characteristics change over time, this could become an important factor in the sorting. This could be another reason why he put her in Gryffindor; he sensed the countless times she displayed bravery and saved Ron and Harry's lives
I've always seen the other houses as representative of the main trio and their differences with each one. >Hermione is Ravenclaw because of her cleverness, but she isn't put there because she lacks the ability to use her logic to understand things that are illogical, like divination or Luna's beliefs. >Ron is Hufflepuff because he is sort of a third wheel, he feels like an outcast until he realizes that he is just as useful to Harry as Hermione just by being his loyal best friend. >And Harry, obviously is Slytherin because of his similarities with Voldemort but he does not lust for power or a following, but that is the mantle he unwillingly takes up and eventually wears well. In the end, they were all put in Gryffindor because of their courage to stand up and fight against darkness, and their unwillingness to accept these limitations and grow past them, because growing up also takes courage and HP is most importantly a coming-of-age tale.
Okay I agree with the video however hermione did not stand in front of Sirius in the books. I’m 99.9% sure it was Ron who tried to defend Harry they changed it in the movies for some stupid reason.
I think if she was in ravenclaw then she won’t have any friends til Order of the Phoenix because of DA? I think! Then Hermione will meet Ron and everything change
But thing will be more difficult. Harry and Ron will have more difficult in study. They will have more struggle in philosopher stone trail and Tri-wizard Tournament which may result earlier Voldemort return or potentially death for Harry. Their bond will be weaker which mean their decision maybe less accurate and their support will be weaker as well. Overall, the time line in which the trio didn't exist early will be darker.
FishyFinThing that’s true who knows maybe Ron and Harry bunt into Hermione during half of the first year and maybe she will help their problems. I like a universe where Hermione didn’t go to Hogwarts instead she went to Muggle school and didn’t know magic until maybe she’s like 16 or 17. and Harry and Ron will still go to Hogwarts and meet for the first time
One trait that seems to be prominent in all 3 of the main characters: Loyalty. Bravery may be the trait that is generally defining of a Gryffindor, Loyalty is the truly deciding factor. Selflessness also applies. Look at how Hermione downplayed herself and lifted up Harry and Ron after the troll incidebnt. She selflessly took blame for going after the troll, even though she didn't to make Harry and Ron out to be the ones who bravely came to her aid. She didn't want them to be in trouble. That's loyalty. And Ron and Harry going after her in the first place was an act of loyalty before bravery, too. Something else to take away from that scene. She was admitting to Harry and Ron that they were right about her acting like, as Snape put it, an insufferable know-it-all. She blatantly spoke of having read about trolls and thought she could handle it, and then said she was wrong. This is bravery being shown. It's not easy to accept harsh criticism and admit that it has merrit. Harder when it comes from friends. Man thgere's a lot of good character analysis to be had scattered throughout these stories. That's what I like about them.
Well, yeah. Showing four minutes of Hermione sitting under a hat would take way too much time out of the film and would be extremely boring for the audience. Everyone would just fast forward over it. Obviously.
Let's be real Peter and Ron fit no where. Just barely brtter then squib. Idk why they threw Peter in Gryffindor. They threw Ron in Gryffindor because family.
I can't even imagine what it must feel like to know that after you cast that spell, it will be like you never existed..watching yourself be erased from all the pictures on the walls. And the people who gave you life and nutured, cared and loved you won't even recognize you on the street. 😔
Did you read the same series I read? 1) The Hat put her in Gryffindor immediately (according to Philosopher's Stone, no matter what Rowling later ret-conned); 2) Lateral thinking? Ron had to remind her she didn't need wood for a fire (also Philosopher's stone). She was a stickler for 'going by the book' and eschewed other ways (as in Half Blood Prince when Harry told her to crush the seed, not cut it). Her secretly hexing the DA signup sheet was evil, at least as evil as Draco imperiousing Rosmerta and having her imperious Hannah. She was ambitious though and should have been sorted into Slytherin, but she was Muggle Born.
The books: Someone (I forgot): That's N.E.W.T level, how are you not in RAVENCLAW!? Hermione: The Sorting Hat did really consider putting me in RAVENCLAW, but decided on Griffindor
What you said matched Hermione's movie characteristics more than her book ones. If we're going by books, Hermione was booksmart, but the streetsmart one in the trio was arguably Ron. There wasn't really anything that she didn't have trouble with that couldn't completely be learnt from books, example: divination, quidditch, patronus charm. Besides this, Xenophilius Lovegood points out that she wasn't open-minded enough for a Ravenclaw, for she wouldn't believe in anything that didn't have actual proof.
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Which house would YOU place Hermione in? Why?
Harry Potter Theory ravenclaw, she is so smart
I think she fits some of all except slytherin
Ravenclaw she meets all the traits of the house and in my opinion in waaay more prominent than the traits of gryffindor.
Raven she is to op and very smart
Harry Potter Theory griffindor
The scene where Hermione erases her parents’ memories of her gives me chills every time. She’s a very brave character.
WyldeGi she never did anything brave that isn't brave erasing your parents memory is not brave how in what way would that be a brave thing to do lol and how does that compete with how smart she is and how naturally gifted she is like even tho you can say she has had a few times of bravery or so called bravery she is far smarter than anything else even her loyalty
Cisco4kid1990 are you crazy?! She’s super brave. Risking her life to save the world knowing that she might not make it back. And instead of trying to hold on to her parents, she lets them go. That is very brave
I know even tho it's cool
To be fair they say in the book she planned on undoing it after Voldemort was killed.
Ever think that it’s so sad for all the kids of the main characters because they will only have 1 set of grandparents.. mr and mrs Weasley
Even though Hermione is very clever, she is too close minded and judgemental to be in Ravenclaw. She judged Luna and Fleur before knowing them and she judged Divination before seeing if she would be interested in learning about it. She was also too headstrong with SPEW, and even though it was for a good cause, she didn't (and sometimes outright refused) to care about what anybody else thought about it and was sometimes rude to anyone who didn't 100% support her protest. A true Ravenclaw is willing to try new things and be open to different opinions and view points without harboring judgement at the start. They seek knowledge before all else so of course they couldn't be forming an opinion about something (or someone) before trying it out first.
She's brave, a bit of a showoff, and is willing to disobey rules if it helps herself and her friends and family, and is willing to die for the greater good - like a Gryffindor. I think the sorting hat sorted her correctly.
Basically this one comment could have been the video in 5 seconds, instead of a 10min video lol
The students in Ravenclaw don't actually treat Luna any better than Hermione and in most cases they act quite a bit worse. She didn't judge divination unfairly either and her opinion was based on Mcgonagall's opinion of it and I don't know what you mean about Fleur on the point of SPEW I agree with it.
joseph Buckley can you provide examples of Ravenclaws being the house that’s specifically worse to Luna then any other house? Because I’m not remembering anything of the sort. And yes there are assholes in every house and every house can show attributes from other houses. Some Gryffindors can be cowards, some Hufflepuffs can be lazy, etc. Um yes she did judge Divination unfairly. You said it yourself she already formed any opinion even before she stepped into the room on the first day of term. She intended on hating it even before giving it a try. And yes she did judge Fleur by how mean she was to her in book 5 (she had preconceived opinions about her, and about Luna and Divination. Again, not a Ravenclaw trait).
This isn’t a rant against Hermione. She’s my second favorite character from the series. I actually appreciate how flawed she is and that she’s not a Mary Sue. I’m only explaining how her /overall/ personality and actions are not traits Ravenclaws put in high esteem and Hermione said so herself that she thinks the traits from Gryffindor are more important to have. She acts way more like a Gryffindor and she also chose that house to be in.
According to Harry Potter canon
The hat considered raven claw many times
But her bravery outweighs her intelligence
Me 2
People have to understand that Ravenclaw isn't just the "smart house".
Beeing a ravenclaw is also about creativity and acceptance.
Hermoine is smart that is a fact, but she is so stubborn with the houselves and divination and I don't think she would make a good Ravenclaw. Stubborness and bravery are more fitting for a Griffindor if you ask me.
I agree
No, she's Gryffindor because she want to, as simple as that, if Ravenclaw about acceptance then Gilderoy Lockhart and Cho Chang shouldn't be placed in Ravenclaw
I think it is cleverness creativity and wit (or saying Not Slytherin Not Gryffindor Not Hufflepuff)
Innit
@@Alana_S924 I think after getting passed e headed dogs, going back in time with a werewolf,fighting death eaters and destroying horcruxes she deserves a Griffyndor status
How Hogwarts students fix a lightbulb:
3 Hufflepuff’s carrying a ladder
1 Slytherin breaking the lightbulb
1 Gryffindor changing the lightbulb
1 Ravenclaw pointing out that they could’ve used magic
The ravenclaw is me
I’m the hufflepuff
I’m the Hufflepuff 💛 🦡 💛
Im deffinetly the slytherine one
I am gryffindor
One theory is that the Sorting Hat not only uses traits a child already has, but also who they wish to be. For example, Neville wasnt brave in the beginning, but he WANTED to be.
@Moana Subs Dumbledore realized that Neville had balls so he awarded Gryffindor bonus points.
Neville also ended up being extremely brave as he was at what seemed to be the very end, the first one to defy Voldemort and his forces before it's revealed Harry isn't dead
Honestly I think the Sorting Hat takes the subjects desire into a stronger consideration then simply based on their character traits. Like Harry SHOULD have been Slytherin but because he WANTED to be Griffindor so the Hat weighed that want more then where Harry's character traits.
Nevil was Always Brave!! Even in Book 1.
@@N0Game like how he stood up to the 3 and stopped them from leaving
Harry: The Slytherin Gryffindor
Ron: The Hufflepuff Gryffindor
Hermione: The Ravenclaw Gryffindor
Edit: I just want to say I made this post two years ago and have never stopped being entertained by the comments.
Odd Sara but hermoine is in no way a raven claw, take away the books and she’s average brave, and stubborn, something more fitting of gryffindor
Hold Ron a hufflepuff? Hufflepuff’s are hard working and kind, how on earth is Ron hard working?
I consider Ron a fully Gryffindor tho
Ron didn't belong in either of the four houses at the beginning of the school... And most certainly not in Hufflepuff or in ravenclaw.. Slytherin according to me might have been a good choice cuz he had said to harry about his concerns of doing well and outshining his brothers..
But then it's what one values and not what one has that the hat takes into account
@@belligerentapj3685 Well he values bravery like everyone in his family so his Gryffindor traits outshines his other traits.
Teacher: What is the definition of machine?
Hermione: A machine is a mechanical structure that uses power to apply forces and control movement to perform an intended action. They can also include computers and sensors that monitor performance and plan movement, often called mechanical systems.
A ravenclaw: Basically what makes work easier
This comment is so underrated 👍👍👏👏👏
This is something like 3-idiots
3 Idiot Reference!
So true
3 Idiots!!
She didn’t step in front of Harry in the shrieking shack, in the books it was Ron who did that (with a broken leg!). That’s one of Rons best moments and the movies just hand it to Hermione. The movies ruined Ron’s character and made it seem like Hermione was all perfect. Not that I hate Hermione or something, but everyone has their flaws and I think that’s a good thing. That’s why I hate that in the movies all her flaws are brushed away.
Problem is that with a broken leg noone could step in front of anyone
Because the director loved her and she was his favourite character
Vasi Metodieva Yes I know but it doesn’t justify it in my opinion
@@iamjynn yea no it doesn't and Ron is my favorite and it's just sad how many people hate him because of the movies and I love Hermione in the books exactly because of her flaws
Vasi Metodieva yes I completely agree
Rowling originally planned for Hermione to be in Ravenclaw and Ron to be in Hufflepuff. It's only when she continued the world building and created commons room's and such, she realized that there weren't enough chances for them to socialize if they were in different houses, so she put them all in the same house.
Really? That is a surprise. They all seem like Gryffindors to me. Although it does explain why hufflepuff kinda.... doesn't do much except observe the others.
@@jesseleeward2359 I mean, of course, she ended up writing them as gryffindors, but both are gryffindors that were close to being in another house.
@@yourfriendoverseas5810 I guess with all these personality profiles it has to do with where you mostly settle
I didnt know that, but I thought that might be the reason.
I never understood how ron was in gryfindor since he was a coward througjout the entire series and quite dumb
Hermione wasn’t suitable for Ravenclaw
Hear me out before you tear me down! Rawenclaws might be known for being smart, but they are also known for being creative and open to new possibilities and knowledge. Most Ravenclaws are open minded people because you can never know everything and even if what you say doesn’t sound very possible, they will still consider it even if it’s momentarily. Hermione is a righteous know it all usually bordering arrogance with her attitude and dismissive of most things she hears from others because the books she read says otherwise. She is pretty close minded and usually believes she knows best unless the other person has some sort of higher status knowledge wise like the teachers or Dumbledore. You can see this pretty clearly in her interactions with Luna Lovegood. In the end I think the sorting hat recognized this and placed her Gryffindor because of these qualities.
Just being smart doesn’t make you a Ravenclaw.
Yeah, and if you know the lore, if you wanted to enter the Ravenclaw Common Room, you have to answer riddles. Hermione would be good in solving problems like Snape's potion puzzle in the 1st book, but that was pure logic. If she was given the riddle (the one answered by Luna) about Phoenix and its flame (akin to chicken vs egg riddle), Hermione would go on about facts why the question is not valid that you can't scientifically decide which one's first, and she'd have a hard time entering the tower. So, rather than cleverness and logic, Ravenclaw preffered wit.
Hermione did have a rebellious streak. Saying she went after the troll herself to save Harry and Ron even though she didn't have to. Being the leading voice in getting Harry to teach Dumbledore's Army DADA.
That's why she was in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw.
8:00 In the book it's RON who stands up to Sirius. ON A BROKEN LEG, NO LESS.
Not only that, but Ron's the one to get Hermione to use the spell required to escape the devil's snare. "You're a witch, aren't you?"
IKR!
@@Shadow-iv9ft the first movie deleted the potions riddle that Hermione was supposed to solve alone. There had to be some contribution from her as well. Ron had the chess and Harry had flying keys and the mirror of erised.
The movies took most of Ron's best moments, like the one you mentioned, and gave them to Hermione. They made Hermione appear flawless, when in the books, she has her flaws. (Don't get me wrong, I love Emma Watson as Hermione Granger)
right ugh ron is so slept on it’s just sad
Why isn't Dumbledore Slytherin? In his youth he was ambitious and power hungry.
Malay, if I remember correctly his house was never specified, the closest it came it was Hermione saying she heard he was in Gryffindor
@@annemariehill6207 all the sources say that he was in Gryffindor, but I can't find anything official on Pottermore
He’s God 😇😌😅
As with percy weasley
Sometimes I think we sort too early ;)
I think the biggest indicator of why Hermione was put in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw is clearly depicted in the Half Blood Prince. When Harry offers Hermione a copy of the potions book with the Half Blood Prince's additions in it, Hermione turns her nose up at it and insists on doing things the "right" way. A true born Ravenclaw would not have such an attitude towards the additions in potions book; rather they would insist on reading through it and determining how the Prince managed to conjure up these superior methods and why they work. Also, because of Ravenclaw's desire for excellence, they probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to access resources that would help them top the class.
@samantha smith I respectfully disagree :)
@samantha smith That's now how you talk to someone who disagrees with you sweetie. Everyone has their own opinions, especially about fiction and books, and the appropriate thing to do is have a discussion about it, not call someone stupid over and over again. You have a bit of growing up to do, which I won''t fault you for.
When you can't see what the other person said coz deletos😭
@@dryayeet8400 LMAO
The most valid point in the book
Remember what Einstein said, “Imagination is more important than knowledge”, hence why Hermione wasn’t in Ravenclaw. She values knowledge more than imagination because she relies on books too much, and she always insisted on following the instructions, instead of having an open mind.
I agree. Hermione is quite arrogant as she strives to "know it all" - this stems from her close-mindedness. Her quick temper when others don't think the way she does (e.g. recruiting for SPEW, berating Harry and Ron for not caring about their studies, disrespecting Trelawney because of divination, etc) as well as her desire to prove herself worthy of having magic despite being a muggleborn, is also a result of her close-mindedness and leads to arrogance. In contrast, Lockhart, a Ravenclaw, was also arrogant and sought fame, but this was because he went beyond the rules of society (i.e. his open-mindedness). Like you've pointed out, I think that the open vs close minded view of the world is what differentiates a Ravenclaw, regardless of their intelligence level.
With this in mind I don't quite get why Hermione almost had a hat stall when she was being sorted. The Sorting Hat would've seen that she's very close-minded, a trait that persists up till the final book, and that there was very little that could've been done to change that. Was the hat trying to decide if putting her in Ravenclaw would've helped her gain an open mind, or if her intelligence trumped her closed minded personality?
exactly, an engineer (or someone particularly smart in general) will most likely be well aware of the books knowledge, but will be able to easily adapt and rely on the "hit stuff with a hammer" method when that is ideal.
something that someone reliant on books won't do, and will prefer to take the long way around, or not act at all.
someone smart doesn't just know how to use tools, they also know when a tool is unnecessary and what corners to cut in order to save time and money.
as I like to say "anybody can make something light, or something strong, but it takes an engineer, to make something light and strong."
@@lenanana8 I recently read the deathly hallows and she is incredibly annoying. Her close mindedness and arrogance towards Harry when he talks about the wand not working or the visions he has. Harry never calls her out on it multiple times cause he doesn’t want to make an argument.
Compare this to someone like Luna who was very open minded and willing to contemplate all the ideas including ridiculous ones. Hermione wasn’t like this.
@@Wanted797 Yeah that was one of the things that annoyed me.
As someone who was (and still is) very nerdy and academically inclined as a child, I would enjoy reading as many books as possible and really enjoyed referring to books and the written knowledge for guidance. What disappoints me a lot about Hermione's character gives a lot of academically inclined habits like this a bad rap, which is terrible for young people! Throughout the series she is arrogant enough to believe her own knowledge stands above anything an older person or teacher could ever say that would contradict her. This character trait of hers makes her a fascinating character, but a terrible young woman role model.
I think that is a too narrow take. She soaks in knowledge from books, but she is a quick thinker and the most important trait: she is able to take that knowledge and apply it (on the spot) in different situations and solve real life problems....which requires a big deal of imagination
someone who only follows instructions cannot do that.
When I first began reading the Harry Potter books one of my first questions was “why isn’t Hermione in Ravenclaw?” But as I got through the books I noticed she struggled thinking outside of the box. She was amazingly intelligent but was too close/narrow minded.
I think Hermione wasn’t sorted into Ravenclaw because, though she is very intelligent, she is also close-minded and quite judgemental, she was quite rude to Luna, without even properly getting to know her, she also scoffed at Fleur and treated her poorly even though Fleur is quite a genuine person, despite being a little conceited. She is also not open to new ideas, immediately arguing about the Deathly Hallows case, and refusing to believe it, when, truly, the Deathly Hallows were actually real. She also argued and ignored other people’s thoughts about S.P.E.W even though she had plain and obvious evidence and proof that house-elves enjoyed working and then even went to the length of potentially ridding Hogwarts of it’s cooks, cleaners, etc. Ravenclaws are creative, witty, intelligent and open-minded, Hermione is intelligent but that doesn’t make her a a Ravenclaw.
@Hermione Jean Granger what does spew mean again
@Hermione Jean Granger oh okay
Having good memory is not the same thing as being intelligent. Not even remotely.
She doesn't even seem to be hunger for knowledge.
She never tried to figure out how things work.
She did learned textbooks and tried her best to be perfect student but she never showed any genuine interest in knowledge.
Thus she definitely doesn't belong to the company of scholars and researches.
@@skipperg4436 She absolutely did. In the first book she consistently reads books outside her assigned subjects to gain knowledge. She figured out the Basilisk in the second book and came up with the mirror idea to protect against it's eyes. In the third book when Lupin mentions Animagus, she says she researched the current Animangus registry after Mcgonnagal covered them, completely outside the bounds of her assignment because she was interested in learning more. She also was the only one to figure out that Lupin was a werewolf following Snape's assignment. In the fourth book she discovers Rita's an animagus by taking what she learned about unregistered animaguses the previous year and applying it to the clues everyone had been repeating about the beetle all year. In the fifth she had the Protean charm on the galleons and the failsafe idea for a traitor in the DA. At the end of the 6th shes the one that takes time and think/plan for life on the run. I honestly don't know how you read the books and think she doesn't hunger for knowledge, want to figure out how things work, or show genuine interest in knowledge. It's honestly an objectively bad take
@@skipperg4436 LMFAO WHAAAAT
I think also that while brilliant, Hermione might have been just a little too practical in nature. I picture the Ravenclaws being the outside of the box thinkers, like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Stephen Hawking. I could see Luna fitting in with that type of thinking. Not just a general "I'm smart and spend all day in the library" kind of intelligence, but more of an intuitive and creative type of brilliance. Hemione had moments of that, sure, but in general, what she does comes from diligent study and work more than innate understanding,
Me bill gates would be slitherin
a true "out of the box" thinker wudda figured out the correct way to brew the Draught of Living Death without needing help from the Half-Blood Prince's book. that's why Hermione wasn't in Ravencl ... wait a minute, Snape wasn't in Ravenclaw eithe ... oh never mind!
@@JuanMataCFC That's exactly what I mean. Once it came to the part of the knowledge you can't get from books, she was pretty average. You bring up a really good point though. With Snape's genius in potions and creating spells, should he have been a Ravenclaw? I wonder if the hat considered it. Maybe his thirst to prove himself was just stronger.
@@Me-wk3ix i have a theory that Snape shudda been sorted into Gryffindor. we know that Lily Evans comes alphabetically before Severus Snape, so surely Snape wudda tried to convince the Hat to put him in Gryffindor with Lily right?
he even exhibits the Gryffindor traits so much in the series. he risked his life when he initially joined Hogwarts as a teacher (if Dumbledore ever found out he was a Death Eater), and then after Voldemort fell at the hands of baby Harry Snape put his life in even more danger to keep Harry safe!
Lockhart was a Ravenclaw. He was a scumbag, but a clever scumbag with a creative mind for self-promotion.
People forget that the reason Neville almost was a hat-stall was because he was arguing with the Sorting Hat to be placed in Hufflepuff when the Hat wanted to place him in Gryffindor. That is SUCH a Gryffindor thing to do like how the heck could people NOT see that??
Gryffindors have an energy around them that just screams they are ALWAYS ready for a fight. Fighting with the hat in this instance is a very Gryffindor thing to do. Other houses are also down for a fight but that comes with different circumstances than Gryffindor. Not to mention Gryffindors are incredibly stubborn in their ideas as well so Neville constantly saying to the hat (presumably) "no, place me in Hufflepuff" is just so Gryffindor. I'm pretty sure the only house that would ask the hat to place them somewhere specific is Gryffindor (Harry asked the hat to NOT place him in Slytherin and then fought him to stay out of Slytherin, thus immediately being placed in Gryffindor) and because Neville asked to be placed in Hufflepuff then then argued with the hat to be placed there that just completely solidified his standing as a Gryffindor. If the hat is having trouble deciding between two houses it COULD ask the student for it's preference but that is different then just outright asking for a specific house, or in Harry's case, being excluded from a specific house. I'm sorry I kind of rambled a lot but does this make any sense?
I like this. Where was this mentioned?
@@MiniKitty27 yes it makes total sense. Mcgonogall also was a hat stall, and I can see her telling the sorting hat, no, bravery is more important to me, I must be in gryffindor!
Neville is a proper Griffindor, as he can call upon Godric's sword.
Omg thats hilarious I have never heard that before lol
The reason why Hermoine isn't in Ravenclaw is because Ravenclaw students are people who would create DIY stuff, come up with extraordinary ideas, and are very imaginative. Hermoine however relies on books, as you can see she only followed the instructions on the book at Slughorn's potion class in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.
She was in Gryffindor because she had a rebellious streak that included loyalty to the people she cares about.
There are different types of intelligence.
FYI: In the books, Hermione was the one that was scared and Ron was the one who stood up quickly to protect Harry.
I know the movie messed up everything
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“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.”
I love this quote, I think of it everyday. By the way, it was me that was the first person to like your comment. I know that UA-cam always says, "someone liked your comment," but it never says who!
Stella Ciarlantini it doesn’t always say it once I got like a hi eres likes but only got one notification
One thing everyone forgets about Ravenclaws is that they are hella creative. Artists/Authors are more likely to end up in Ravenclaw than actual scholars. Ravenclaws believe in discovery and most feel like bringing something new into the buissness than use something that is already there. That i a trait that Hermione lacks. Yes, she is intelligent, but she is not much of a creative person as she is always following what is there instead of believing something new.
The Sorting Hat always considers the student's wish. In the first book Hermione clearly said she thought Gryffindor was the best house, and Ravenclaw second. Imagine the eleven year old Hermione being asked which house she wants to be in, she would have picked the best house to her knowledge. But Hermione is obviously brave. She is not the type of physical fighter like Harry but she's very daring in her decisions. Many times it was Hermione to come up with the crazy ideas. Also note that Harry was friend with Ron first, and Hermione kinda stuck around the boys. She encountered danger but she stayed, even enjoyed it. No one asked Hermione to join Harry's crazy lifestyle. She could've had a much easier life had she only focused on studying. But she was a true Gryffindor.
Yes. I'd say The Sorting Hat is about what the student values. Personality and traits are not value. A coward can value bravery. An intellectual can value bravery more than intellect. A talented person can value togetherness and fairness.
*A lot of people say Hermione would fit into Ravenclaw more than the house she is in now, because of her intelligence and creative ideas. But personally, I think Gryffindor fits Hermione perfectly. She is adventurous, brave and loyal, most of all, she values friendship. Besides, if she wasn't in Gryffindor, she would never have met Harry and Ron. This also proves how important she is to the Golden Trio Triangle.*
I always thought that Hermione getting through the Bellatrix torture, in the end mostly unscathed, and then even after that, actually becoming her previous torturer through Polyjuice Potion to infiltrate her bank vault, was the most significant example of her bravery, and what convinced me as a kid that Gryffindor was the right house for her, because I too used to be confused as to her placement XD
Well she had already displayed a lot of bravery. I mean... She always had balls. She petrified Neville when he stood up to them in their first year. It takes courage to fight a friend. She went searching for the Basilisk even though she was aware of how dangerous it was. She was the one who came with the idea of creating Dumbledore's Army, which was a ver risky idea. She was the one who came up with the even riskier plan to ambush Umbridge, which could have gone very wrong. I mean, she was always willing to take risks if they were worth the cause... She even dropped out of Hogwarts (and you know how much she cared about education) in the 7th year to help Harry find the Horcruxes... Overall she was always helped Harry and she fought the Death Eaters on multiple occasions, even though it wasn't her fight. Apart from the final battle at Hogwarts, she could have avoided all the troubles that the trio went through, if she minded her own business... But she chose to help Harry, putting her safety at risk, even though she didn't have to. Not only she was brave, but she was selfless and willing to fight for her friends.
100% agree, that and her wipping out her parents memories were top bravery mommets
@@cel.2263 I feel like this scene is both a hufflepuff/ravenclaw and gryffindor moment. Because if Hermonie got killed her parents wouldn't have to go through grief because of her. It shows how caring, smart and couragous she is.
"New approaches to conventional methods of spell conjuring or potion making"
Not really, she follows instruction. I believe in the Half-Blood Prince, when Harry is doing different instruction while making potions, that Hermione is frustrated at Harry, and doesn't change her method because she can only follow what her book is telling her. During her Divination classes, rather than trying to look past the practical and open up and read the teacups, she just blurts out what she THINKS Prof Trelawney wants to hear. She's always looking for an absolute, and I don't think that's how Ravenclaw works. Take the Door riddle: "Which came first, the phoenix, or the flame?" Hermione would NEVER be able to answer that question, because she would be too focused on the fact that she was given 2 options and there fore it has to be one of them She would never consider that "A circle has no end"
I always thinking the same
She will be able to answer that question, maybe not as a teenager but as an adult most certainly so. That question was answered by McGonagall who was a true gryffindor and didn't believe in divination despite spending more than a decade with trelawney at the same campus and didn't trust the trio when they told her abiut the philosopher's stone getting stolen. Hermione is wise but close mined even McGonagall is like that
Problem being Life has a Beginning and an End, and fire is primordial while life is more complex, thus magical fire has to exist before a creature that has properties of magical fire can exist. A circle has no end is just nonsense of trying to sound deep and wise. Though personally I've always wondered if the Ravenclaw door doesn't require a set correct answer, but rather that you could defend why your answer was acceptable, since regurgitating the answer to a list of questions isn't intelligence or wit, or a way to keep the other Houses out.
To me although she was smart she was too close minded to be in Ravenclaw
*possibly...but more likely she was convinced when she was given a problem or question she was always right with the answer she eventually presented or knew where the information was likely to be found even if it might be in an unusually cryptic and magically protected form...she would not stop until she had the answer even if the process might prove to be dangerous, once she started she was not going to let it go until she had what she was looking for*
@@scottmantooth8785 *Why do you bold your entire text it's kinda hard to read*
But she isn't close minded. She created Dumbledore's army convinced Harry to lead and Ginny named it. Hermione created magical texting before texting with coins how is that close minded. How is it close minded to go from not knowing magic to embracing it and embracing fact you're magical.
@@majormana1 she's closed minded in the sense of if it's not coming out of a book then she won't believe it
No
I tend to agree with the conclusions expressed in this video. Luna Lovegood is a good example. Luna didn’t outwardly express the traits of a Ravenclaw, but she turned out to have a deeply penetrating mind that looked past superficial things, opting to see things for the way they were. She wasn’t as hair brained as she presented herself. Even (edit) her blind spots (like believing in fantasy creatures that her father believed in) were never an impediment to her pragmatic understanding of the world.
I will go a different way. The hat often puts people in houses to help them encourage specific traits. Neville would have been a good fit for Hufflepuff, and everyone their would have loved and accepted him, but he would have never grown. If the hat had put Hermione in Ravenclaw she would have been a fine student, but never grown beyond her bookish boring character. Putting both Hermione and Neville in Gryffindor forced them to grow and do things they would never have done on their own.
Can you make a similar video for Peter Pettigrew? Why he was sorted in Gryffindor? It seems so many people think he Is a coward.
I think he made a video about it.
@@Agheel I haven't, but I will
Ok, that sounds like a very nice topic for a video.
I heard one on the subject sometime ago which seemed to reach a satisfactory conclusion on the matter. If the Sorting Hat places students into houses based on what they consider the most worthy trait, then it would make some sense that sniveling, cowardly, hero wannabe Peter would place courage at the pinnacle of desirable. Unfortunately, he never felt any confidence in himself, especially compared to his friends, and he serves as an example of what happens when someone metaphorically sells their soul. Another example of this is Gilderoy Lockhart, a Ravenclaw who turned his back on the pursuit of knowledge to further his own thirst for fame and a quick route to the recognition he thought his "genius" deserved. This eventually resulted ironically enough in his mind being permanently damaged.
Not advertising other channels, but Harry Potter Folklore already covered it. Pettigrew was too disloyal to be a Hufflepuff, to stupid to be a Ravenclaw, and too lazy and unambitious to be a Slytherin. Despite not being brave like a Gryffindor, he valued bravery strongly, wanting to be like James and the other Marauders. The Sorting Hat takes valued traits and personal choices into consideration. Pettigrew was a hatstall, where the hat is unsure what house to put someone in for over five minutes. Pettigrew was between Gryffindor and Slytherin, but at the end the hat gave in and sorted him into Gryffindor
HERIONE ACTS NOTHING LIKE A RAVENCLAW, a Ravenclaw isn't smart, they're just called that because most of of them are smart, a true Ravenclaw's traits are creative, think outside the box, and curious,
Hermione acts like none of these
she can be creative and think outside the box but she is just a practical thinker meaning she would rather do things like it's stated in the books she's read rather than trying a new way because of the risk involved
Yes I am! I am slightly offended! :(
Bruh. Ravenclaws are creative, think outside the box, curious, AND smart.
*cough *
Hermione: so you guys have any ideas?
Harry: your the one with ideas!
Hermione: I have one but it’s crazy *jumps onto the dragon * come on!
Harry: *jumps on *
Ron: *jumps on *
Hermione: *literally rides the dragon out of the bank *
@@gjk-arts5855 that _screams_ Gryffindor energy though
Why was Hermonie in Gryffindor and not Ravenclaw? Simple, in the first book she said she studied up on the houses and hopes she gets Gryffindor. As we find out at the end of book 1 when Dumbledore is talking to Harry, Harry is told the Sorting Hat takes the new student's preference into account.
Thomas Moeller That doesn't mean she didn't want to be in gryffindor because she believed that was best for her type of personality and character.
@@dreamyanon5151 She wanted to be in Gryffindor because it sounded cool. She was probably a Ravenclaw in her old school... You know, the one kid who reads a book during break and watches the popular kids playing in playground frowning at their immaturity, but deep inside wishes she could be part of that group too. This was her chance to reinvent herself. She was very lucky Voldemort was sneaking around the school trying to kill Harry, or she would have ended up without friends
@@AnzuBrief yeah, but she lacks individuality and creativity . She would rather do everything by the book rather than think of her own soloution , we see those qualities in people suck as Luna :)
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I always felt like when there was a debate between which house to sort someone into, the hat went with the house that had an environment that would lead to the greatest personal growth. I think if Hermione was in Ravenclaw, she simply would not have been challenged enough in ways that made her a stronger, better person. Glad to see this mentioned in the video :)
In the book, Ron, with his broken leg, is the one who stepped in front of Harry to save him from Sirius Black. In the movie, they gave it to Hermione. I love Hermione, but they took too much away from Ron in the movies in order to build up Hermione even more, and in the process, they made Ron a bit of a joke figure rather than an equal part of the trio that he was in the book.
In the first book, she says on the train that she wants to join gryffindor, so that's probably why.
And because she’s really brave too
She is also very determined, it just so happens that knowledge was something she wanted to be good at in order to help other people.
And in that same book she says there are more important things than books and cleverness: Friendship and bravery and... (...oh Harry! Be careful!)
Yeah the hat takes your wish in account too
@@CTGReviews no she didn't
I, as a Ravenclaw, have no idea where the confusion comes from lol. Yes Hermione was smart but her dominant traits and personality were gryffindor. I think we are allowed to have complex characters/ personalities and have personalities that overlap with different houses!
And besides, it isn't very accurate to say that Ravenclaws are bookish and smart, it is much more a house of creativity than books (although we tend to love them). Hermione fits her house perfectly!
A better question is why was Pettigrew put in Gryffindor?
YES!!!
Simple: He put up a good front.
Who knows what Peter was like at age eleven? People do change. We could ask why Remus was in Gryffindor as well.
We should also ask why Draco was in Slytherin given his actions. Maye the Hat saw his overwhelming ambition to be a robe kisser like "His father"?
I am from the future and I can tell you that he just made a video about that
He should be in slythern
The answer is she is a griffindor from the core of her heart. When Harry said *"Not better (wizard) than you"*
So Hermione said *"Me ? Books and Cleverness. There are more important things , friendship and bravery"*
Therefore , her first priority was Bravery and Friendship.
The golden trio was a representation of each house, Hermione being Ravenclaw, Ron being Hufflepuff, and Harry being Slytherin, all combining to Gryffindor. that’s why they were in these other houses that their personalities and traits obviously were meant for.
Hermione belongs in Gryffindor she showed her bravery near the end of the books series
I agree with you but I feel she demonstrated bravery all the way through
It was about loyalty not bravery
@@banjoe6808 loyalty is a hufflepuff trait
hermione was the smart girl who was never afraid to stand out or put herself on the line for what she believed in despite being muggleborn.
That has nothing to do with the film tho does it
Well now we know why Ron was not in Hufflepuff. He was no hard worker lmao.
Haha tru
He is fiercely loyal though.
He is! He worked hard to get on the Gryffindor Quidditch team and is fiercely loyal. He is also kind, friendly, and an optimist.
@@-cosmixnebulae-7398 wdym, he cheated on lavender right?
James would be suitable for hufflepuff. He did use his cloak to steal food from the kitchen (which is right by their common room)
The real question is why are all the weasleys in griffindor
Quite straightforward. All the members of the family show the traits if Gryffindor.
Their hair matched the house colour ✨
they all showed the gryffindor traits
and their hair matched
but still
@@remuslupin1713 hello Professor Lupin, I was just reading fics about you and Sirius.
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Heather Hollow ha i do that too
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One of the lines from Hermione that sums it up the most:
“‘Are you planning to follow a career in Magical Law, Miss Granger?’ asked Scrimgeour.
‘No, I’m not,’ retorted Hermione. ‘I’m hoping to do some good in the world!'”
Hermoine had qualities of all the 4 houses as she was cunning,ambitious, clever, wise, hardworking, loyal, brave and courageous.
I agree that Hermione was placed in the House in the most NEED of her abilities and talents. And the Hat surely viewed her values as a preeminent component in picking Gryffindor...or did it? Hermione is boldly independent, and while she is iron clad in upholding the rules, she grows to see that there are greater concerns. I hear Neville, Peter, and even Cedric often as possibly being sorted into the wrong house. And Dumbledore himself states that he thinks that AT TIMES students are sorted too soon. But...what if the sorting hat chooses based on two things..rather than one? Each House has a list of what they desire in each student, hence there is the House's needs accounted for. But, instead of a student's values, what if it's based on what each Student NEEDS from Hogwarts? If we use that criteria, Neville's growth from a bumbling inept student to a defender of students and killer of Nagini, et al. shows that he needed the opportunities to be brave...something he would not get in Hufflepuff (the most common alternative House for Neville)
So. If we view it that way, we can see Peter NEEDED to learn to be good and brave...and while he largely failed, he was successful by the slimmest of margins. Cedric may have needed the House that required hard work to excel...or maybe not. But it's possible. At least, that's my amendment to the value theory of sorting. 😊
Hermione only has one trait that’s in Ravenclaw. *The “smart” part*
Otherwise *Bravery*
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You know I honestly never thought about this. I thought she fit perfectly fine in gryffindor.
She does.
She also has a trait of the Hufflepuffs. She's extremely hardworking
Ravenclaws love learning, not necessarily studying. Hermione is a very clever witch, but she owes it mostly to the books and her studies. She has no particular artistic talent, too.
I know this is 2 years late but this made me laugh so much because it's definitely accurate. I'm a Ravenclaw myself and I love learning but I hate studying and doing homework. As much as I love books it's not the only thing that is out there. And I truly value creativity and I'm constantly questioning everything.
I think the more intelligent a person is, the harder it is to be brave. For a person to be brave, they must first see the dangers of an action but they still take it because it is the right thing to do. For a person to be intelligent they must be able to think things through and understand risks and benefits for taking actions.
For example, a person of a fair level of intelligence might look at crossing a stream and think "I must be careful not to slip, and current might carry me away." Whereas a person of a great level of intelligence might look at crossing a stream and think "I must be careful where I step, the rocks are most likely slippery and it might be deeper than it looks in some parts, I could drown". Both would be considered brave to cross the stream but I think one more aware of how dangerous it is is showing much more bravery.
Many Very Intelligent People Understand the Consequences of failing to act with Courage.
Courageous is not not necessarily "Foolhardy" many cowards don't consider that their actions may place them in greater danger.
Calculated Risk is still Courageous Action!
Beautifully said
Just feel the need to say that in the book it was RON that stepped in front of Sirius, on a broken leg. Sorry, your point still totally stands, I just always have to stand up for Ron as I feel like he was done so dirty in the movies. Awesome video as always!
Me also, Ron was capable of getting the devil’s snare off him. The films just wanted to make him out to be incompetent 🙄
Not as much as Ginny though 😭😭😭
@@wig8489 Very true!
@@matthewvp8507 I know right? In the book, Hermione figures out that they need fire, but now how to get it (though during the first year it was her specialty). Ron actually had to point out that she could create it with magic.
They really messed up in the movies when it comes to Ron and Hermione
Hermione was all around one of the best characters. She was brave, smart, also incredibly loyal and talented. If you really think about it, she could have literally been in any house.
She likely hung out with alot of Ravenclaws, she knew of them upon them being introduced into the story, Harry and Ron had no clue but she seemed familiar with them all.
She could've been in any of the four houses as she was brave, loyal, smart, and ambitious. But I think it made sense for her to be in Gryffindor as it was the house she had a preference for.
Not slytherin since she was not a pure blood. Before you tell me that Tom Riddle also wasn't, he was SS heir.
@@alejandrorivera6122 though slytherin highly valued pure status he didnt necessarily store a preference for pure status in the hat and with the other 3 founders watching they prolly would have stopped him from storing that. plus even though tom riddle was slytherin's heir HE WAS A HALF BLOOD and the father half wasnt even mudblood it was muggle blood. which would have instantly got him disowned if slytherin was alive.
im sure any mudblood that was sent to slytherin was heckled for a time. but remember that with a desire for ambition often comes cleverness, charm or some kind of other "power" like physical strength or rare magics. tom riddle was absolutely ridiculed as a muggle halfblood in slytherin house. until he found a friend group and proved himself. so it was more intense fraternity heckling until you prove yourself. the extreme thirst for purity only entered slytherin during dark times like voldemort's era. since voldemort's followers were extremists and wanted slytherin full of recruits. so that extremest outlook bled into the view that their children would have had.
think about draco malfoy's character as well. though he was quite the perfect match for slytherin house, once voldemort recruited him and pushed a job onto him he quite literally fell apart. so coming from a dark wizard backgroud might make you a high match for slytherin house but doesnt mean you will 100% make you have salazaar's personality. the hat doesnt sort you based on if you ARE like salazaar but for his ideals which were ambition and power hungry. both traits which even a mudblood can have as a personality trait.
Mudbloods can't be in Slytherin, the other kids wouldn't get along with her. Regardless I always wished she dated Draco instead of Ron but I guess he would never allow that either.
@@canadianbeef1958 no, mudbloods can and do end up in slytherin. quite a few slytherins are half-bloods even (meaning the sin of having a muggle parent). there is no enchantment preventing it. it is just UNSAFE for mudbloods to exist AT ALL in times like when voldemort was in power (pre-Harry and possibly during year 5-7of Harry), or when the ministry was literally detaining mudbloods asking who they stole their magic from.
I don’t think she should be in Ravenclaw as she’s too close minded and judgemental
i don't think she's judgemental just extremely practical so, for example, when she decided she didn't like divination, it was because she already had set goals and didn't see divination as of use to her.
@@bella-rx3yc yes
Typical TeSi => ESTJ. and McGonagall, as he said are similar, she is SiTe, ISTJ, just kinda flipped functions lol
Close-minded people wouldn't fight for stigmatised minorities like Hermione does, such as the elfs. She also stands up for Neville.
@@EscargoTouChaud The elves didn’t want to be freed,though.The elves were happy working for Hogwarts.Hermione saw that one elf didn’t like where they were and immediately assumed that was how all elves were,The Malfoys treated Dobby badly which isn’t always the case.Sure she might have stood up for Neville a few times but what about Luna?Hermione said to Harry that he could get better people to support him,She didn’t even know Luna at this point she just said that after knowing people referred to Luna as Loony.She also said the Quibbler was rubbish yet there’s never any mention from Hermione of the Quibbler beforehand so we can take that to mean she never read it and is just going by what she heard.I don’t dislike Hermione but everyone seems to gloss over her flaws and it annoys me because so many other characters get hate for minor things that happened maybe one time
I've seen a theory floating around that I like a lot. Its that, to be a Gryffindor you simply have to be brave enough to ask. Otherwise you are placed elsewhere based on ambition, hard work, or intelligence.
Neville was debated between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor and chose Gryffindor so to not disapoint his grandmother. Harry was poised to be in Slytherin because of Voldemort. And Ron obviously would choose Gryffindor because his family were all Gryffindor.
Neville didn't choose gryffindor he wanted to be in hufflepuff but the sorting hat wanted him to be in gryffindor
7:58 it was ron that stood in front of harry in the books, the movie just adapted that scene for hermione to do that because ron is more of a comic relief character in the movies and the directors favored Hermione.
Harry: The Slytherin Gryffindor
Ron: The Gryffindor Gryffindor
Hermione: The Ravenclaw Gryffindor
Neville: The Hufflepuff Gryffindor
Ron is a Hufflepuff Gryffindor
In the books, Ron was much braver, a lot of what Hermione does in the movies, were originally mostly Ron’s actions.
The devils snare, he kept his head cool, and Hermione was the one to panic.
Video idea: Why did the Sorting Hat listen to Harry when he didn't want to be in Slytherin but not Neville when he wanted to be in Hufflepuff.
Bc Harry didn’t want to be in slytherin..... he was a gryffindor at heart but had a part of Voldemort inside him..... therefore the hat defaulted to gryffindor..... but Neville was truly was a gryffindor, he just didn’t know it..... he didn’t realize he could be brave
I think the Hat was deciding between two houses with Harry. Remember the dialogue from his Sorting--the Hat said tht Slytherin would help him on his way to greatness..... But Harry wanted no part of Slytherin.
1) Harry just wanted to NOT be in Slytherin. 2) I think the Sorting Hat was really saying he would have done well anywhere.
Neville never wanted to be hufflepuff. He just thought he would be out there cause he felt useless
As. I read it, Harry was near equally suited for all four houses. By firmly expressing his preference to not be in Slytherin, he showed the courage required to tip the scales to Gryffindor.
In Neville's case, he probably would have done well in Hufflepuff, but I suspect he wished he shared the bravery his parents had, which made the hat decide that would be the path for him with the most potential.
Flitwick was also split between Gryffindor and Ravenclaw before being Sorted into the latter. He and McGonagall joked that had the Hat chosen Gryffindor for Flitwick and Ravenclaw for Minerva, they would’ve exchanged positions as Heads of Houses.
I actually think that fits them well, I can fully see Mcgonagall be more stubborn than Flitwick and Flitwick being more open to new things.
@@ElementVoidX Actually, in the PC version of Chamber of Secrets, Flitwick dismisses the Chamber of Secrets legend as “All nonsense of course” and said “Now back to magic reality,” but really, what IS reality in Harry Potter?
I think that what truly defines a ravenclaw is to think deeply. Hermione tends to think very logically. For example, if a murder occured the ravenclaw would be more interested in what went through their minds and the gryffindor would want to know the actual. Luna and Hermione would be a good example.
the part about neville hit me.
I would say by the end of the series he displayed the most bravery.
Being the only character to stand up to voldemort when they thought harry was dead.
she said, 'Me! Books! And cleverness! There are more important things - friendship and bravery
And i think that it was right to sort her in gryffindor
Why do people always forgett that Hermione didn't stand up to Sirius in the book's. That was Ron with a broken leg. Also Ron had to remind Hermione that she was a witch after she panicked because they had no sun light to defeat the devil's snare. Also Hermione didn't know what a mudblood was when malfoy called her that. Ron explained that to them and so on. In the movies they took away all her more bad qualities and gave all of brave stuff Ron does to her. They also make Ron dumber than he is and more crule towards Hermione. Even when they had a fight Ron defended Hermione in the books when Snape called her an insufferable know it all.
It irritates me to no end that a strong female character like Hermione is not allowed to have any flaws in these movies. That she and Harry never have a disagreement because sometimes Ron has a point and sometimes the boys are both idiots. It also annoyed me that they made Ron act crule towards her because Hermione marries him in the end. In the book's they actually have potential to be a happy couple in the future. When they grow up and learn to make compromises. In the movie the perfect smart Woman gets married to her mean friend from school. Also i like Hermione better with her flaws :)
exactly, and that is why I will always prefer the books to the movies, the movies are good, but they are nowhere near the books.
True..... also Ron has to remind her that she is a witch because Hermione says there's no WOOD to light the fire
She couldn't be a Ravenclaw because she put more value into getting the correct answer than obtaining the knowledge required get the right answer. It's a fundamental difference in motivation, pursuit and goal. Ya know? 🤷♀️
Like Luna is about the journey and all our Gryffindors are more destination people... 😂 😂
And I think Hermione is actually not very intelligent at all. It's fairly obvious she has an eidetic memory given her ability to memorize all her course books and additional ones before she starts Hogwarts. Given that genetic quirk, if you DON'T get high marks in a school like Hogwarts, which focuses on rote memorization, something is wrong.
To me, Hermione is an organic photo copier with its scan and repeat function, original and creative out of the box thinking is beyond her.
Fred and George are far better at true magic, which is all about imagination, than Hermione will ever be.
She's a Gryffindor because she mentally screamed that as soon as the Hat touched her head, she wanted to be in the same house as Dumbledore was, no other reason.
John Fisher Thank you! I never viewed her as smart. She seems to study and learn for the sake of a grade. She regurgitates what she learns word for word. She doesn't seek knowledge for the sake of learning interesting things or for the sake of just learning.
I hate when people are just like "I'm early" or "I'm first" just say something about the video
Agreed. That's so five minutes ago lol.
@@JReed7560 true
There was no need for you to comment that, you could have just did what you recommended and wrote something about the comment.
@@youtubelife921 there was no need for you to comment that either
Stormxy_ Skiies i am not first to the video
I agree with this. She does show Griffindor qualities. And it's not only dumb bravery, it's also nobility that sets griffindor apart.
Also, just like Harry, I think Hermione was given a choice and opted not to go to Ravenclaw. She was a highly intelligent muggleborn (and thus, feeling like a stranger amongst wizard) who determined to show her worth to its fullest, and it's easier to do so in house less revolved about brainpower, to stand out more. So I wouldn't be surprised if she whispered "Not the Ravenclaw". Her behaviour towards H-B Prince is a clear proof of that in my eyes.
Wise man once said, "there is just a thin line between bravery and madness."
Notice it is a *Wiseman*
ravenclaw was more about originality, out of the box thinking and unusual intelligence.
typical ravenclaw is Luna Lovegood and she is really the exact opposite of hermione. though both are smart, each in very different way.
me: *sees the thumbnail*
me: why hermione wasnt in ravenclaw
me:
me: *sees arrow*
me: BECAUSE OF HER HAIR!
Moe Nay Win The arrow in the thumbnail is pointing to her hair.
it wasn't her who stepped in front of harry when sirus wanted to kill peter. it was ron
Ravenclaw isn't defined by intelligence, which is a common misconception. Wit, adaptability, creativity, open-mindedness and the pursuit of knowledge are all equally Ravenclaw traits.
Hermione was adaptable and valued academic knowledge, but she could also be exceptionally stubborn, close-minded and at times egotistical (same as McGonagal). Similarly, Luna Lovegood wasn't as intelligent as Hermione (bit of an airhead), but she didn't shy away from more curious magical studies like magizoology and divination. She didn't judge, at times wise, she was exceptionally creative with a unique personality that did not conform to her peers which made her the perfect fit for Ravenclaw.
The Divination scene in Prisoner of Azkaban is a perfect example. It was the first time Hermione EVER in her years at Hogwarts had to confront a field of magical study that she simply couldn't do, and when subsequently roasted by Professor Trelawney for being unable to think and perceive in the abstract, stormed off.
It hasn't got any connection to the video, but your voice is soooo relaxing 😊
Imagine if Draco was in hufflepuff.
Otto Alvarez worse... imagine if he was an arsenal fan... on second thought, could be since arsenal fans are deluded
@@DinuwanKalupahana wow, just wow that's really uncalled for. Lmao
I can imagine him getting into Griffindor with behavior like his. Hufflepuff, not so much. For both he would be scolded at home I suppose.
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You're placed in your House for the trait you value the most. Hermione was intelligent, but she vauled bravery more than knowlegde.
As it did for Harry, the Sorting Hat considered Hermione's interest as well as her true ability of cleverness and bravery.
But deep down Hermione is very brave!
Hat: I have never been wrong.
Me: Duh, you have all the power and authority in deciding.
I never questioned why Hermione wasn't in Ravenclaw. I guess it proves how well she fits in Gryffindor.
Perhaps the Sorting Hat has some precognitive abilities that allow him to sense what the character is like in the future as well as in the present. As people's personalities and characteristics change over time, this could become an important factor in the sorting. This could be another reason why he put her in Gryffindor; he sensed the countless times she displayed bravery and saved Ron and Harry's lives
I've always seen the other houses as representative of the main trio and their differences with each one.
>Hermione is Ravenclaw because of her cleverness, but she isn't put there because she lacks the ability to use her logic to understand things that are illogical, like divination or Luna's beliefs.
>Ron is Hufflepuff because he is sort of a third wheel, he feels like an outcast until he realizes that he is just as useful to Harry as Hermione just by being his loyal best friend.
>And Harry, obviously is Slytherin because of his similarities with Voldemort but he does not lust for power or a following, but that is the mantle he unwillingly takes up and eventually wears well.
In the end, they were all put in Gryffindor because of their courage to stand up and fight against darkness, and their unwillingness to accept these limitations and grow past them, because growing up also takes courage and HP is most importantly a coming-of-age tale.
Yes! That makes so much sense.
Okay I agree with the video however hermione did not stand in front of Sirius in the books. I’m 99.9% sure it was Ron who tried to defend Harry they changed it in the movies for some stupid reason.
The movies did Ron dirty
harry: the slytherin gryffindor
neville: the hufflepuff gryffindor
hermione: the ravenclaw gryffindor
ron: the true gryffindor
Hermoine was supossed to be in Ravenclaw cause of her Intelligence but Heromine's bravery was to good to be in Gryffindor.
Lilly was too claimed to be the cleverest in her year according to Professor Slughorn and she was also in Gryffindor's house.
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Yep! Got me too.
I think if she was in ravenclaw then she won’t have any friends til Order of the Phoenix because of DA? I think! Then Hermione will meet Ron and everything change
But thing will be more difficult. Harry and Ron will have more difficult in study. They will have more struggle in philosopher stone trail and Tri-wizard Tournament which may result earlier Voldemort return or potentially death for Harry. Their bond will be weaker which mean their decision maybe less accurate and their support will be weaker as well. Overall, the time line in which the trio didn't exist early will be darker.
FishyFinThing that’s true who knows maybe Ron and Harry bunt into Hermione during half of the first year and maybe she will help their problems. I like a universe where Hermione didn’t go to Hogwarts instead she went to Muggle school and didn’t know magic until maybe she’s like 16 or 17. and Harry and Ron will still go to Hogwarts and meet for the first time
ClassyUlysses if she was in ravenclaw then Harry and Ron would be dead in the first movie
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One trait that seems to be prominent in all 3 of the main characters: Loyalty. Bravery may be the trait that is generally defining of a Gryffindor, Loyalty is the truly deciding factor. Selflessness also applies. Look at how Hermione downplayed herself and lifted up Harry and Ron after the troll incidebnt. She selflessly took blame for going after the troll, even though she didn't to make Harry and Ron out to be the ones who bravely came to her aid. She didn't want them to be in trouble. That's loyalty. And Ron and Harry going after her in the first place was an act of loyalty before bravery, too.
Something else to take away from that scene. She was admitting to Harry and Ron that they were right about her acting like, as Snape put it, an insufferable know-it-all. She blatantly spoke of having read about trolls and thought she could handle it, and then said she was wrong. This is bravery being shown. It's not easy to accept harsh criticism and admit that it has merrit. Harder when it comes from friends.
Man thgere's a lot of good character analysis to be had scattered throughout these stories. That's what I like about them.
If Hermione wasn't in Gryffindor Harry would be dead
In the movie it only took 8 seconds to decide Hermione's house.
Well, yeah. Showing four minutes of Hermione sitting under a hat would take way too much time out of the film and would be extremely boring for the audience. Everyone would just fast forward over it. Obviously.
They edited it to make it shorter
would you rather stare at a girl just wearing a hat for a few minutes?
@@pocktaviousnuzlavious860 Exactly my point! It would take way too much out of the movie.
well yeah it’s a movie it would take way too much time out of the movie
The hat screwed up on pettigrew. I believe this was another hat stall between Gryffindor and Slytherin. It made the wrong decision.
this comment was quite dumb so i edited it
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No way. He does not fit in hufflepuff house. At least not based on what the house values.
Let's be real Peter and Ron fit no where. Just barely brtter then squib. Idk why they threw Peter in Gryffindor. They threw Ron in Gryffindor because family.
@@majormana1 no becuause Ron's brave
I don’t think he fits into any of the houses personally and he just wanted Gryffindor because James,Sirius and Remus were in Gryffindor
8:14 "Staying with Harry, EVEN THOUGH SHE LOVED RON."
And?
I can't even imagine what it must feel like to know that after you cast that spell, it will be like you never existed..watching yourself be erased from all the pictures on the walls. And the people who gave you life and nutured, cared and loved you won't even recognize you on the street. 😔
Did you read the same series I read? 1) The Hat put her in Gryffindor immediately (according to Philosopher's Stone, no matter what Rowling later ret-conned); 2) Lateral thinking? Ron had to remind her she didn't need wood for a fire (also Philosopher's stone). She was a stickler for 'going by the book' and eschewed other ways (as in Half Blood Prince when Harry told her to crush the seed, not cut it). Her secretly hexing the DA signup sheet was evil, at least as evil as Draco imperiousing Rosmerta and having her imperious Hannah. She was ambitious though and should have been sorted into Slytherin, but she was Muggle Born.
Back when the founders picked which houses students went into, I wonder if they often argued over where some students went
Probably yes , over students such as Harry, Hermione or Neville . But others would be much more obvious , such as Luna or Tom Riddle
The books:
Someone (I forgot): That's N.E.W.T level, how are you not in RAVENCLAW!?
Hermione: The Sorting Hat did really consider putting me in RAVENCLAW, but decided on Griffindor
I have a request can you talk more about the unforgivable curses and who’s used them in the past?
i cant with him roasting the sorting hat at the begining of the video
What you said matched Hermione's movie characteristics more than her book ones. If we're going by books, Hermione was booksmart, but the streetsmart one in the trio was arguably Ron. There wasn't really anything that she didn't have trouble with that couldn't completely be learnt from books, example: divination, quidditch, patronus charm. Besides this, Xenophilius Lovegood points out that she wasn't open-minded enough for a Ravenclaw, for she wouldn't believe in anything that didn't have actual proof.