Joe Rogan: Archeologists Are LYING About ANCIENT Technology Used
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Joe Rogan, Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk talk about how archeologists are denying the fact that there were more advanced technology used years ago to build large structures like the pyramids.
Jimmy Corsetti is the independent researcher behind "Bright Insight" where he talks about ancient mysteries and theories about lost civilizations and what happened to them. Ben van Kerkwyk is an Australian researcher, writer and content creator. He produces the UnchartedX.com website and UnchartedX youtube channel and podcast, producing long-form documentaries on various topics dealing with ancient mysteries
Clip taken from JRE #1928, w/ Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk
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Well, I didn't know that Chumlee was such an expert when it comes to Egyptology
Lol, thought the same thing 🤣
Smarter than u
Funnny
He knows more than you
Holy shit lol 😂 I just started the video and no sound yet just a flash of his face, and I was like WTF Chumlee is on JRE talking about ancient history! Lol
Then the video actually started and I heard his voice..lol 😂🤣
That was a good one!! I needed a good laugh!!! 🤣🤣
One thing that was painfully obvious as a child who wanted to be an archeologist, was the fact that archeologists are most definitely not engineers.
Leave it to a modern engineer to over complicate something that is really quite simple.
@@spiderknight9893 Leave it to a modern archeologists with limited range of expertise to assume something as complicated as human beings are so simple and incapable of higher levels of understanding than themselves.
Time and time again we see examples of complex artisanal works that last thousands of years often exposed to the elements and time and time again there's an archeologist there ready to say it was done with sticks and stones, brute force and persistence, "Because they didn't know any better" Keep in mind this is the same community who buried ancient artwork from Pompeii for hundreds of years because they thought people wouldn't be able to handle it.
I know several archeologists, one was an advisor to the Time Team TV show back in the day, and I can tell you, without a shadow of doubt that archeologists are some of the dumbest most closed minded arrogant people I have ever encountered. They are terrified of losing their funding so follow a given narrative. You could literally show them the exact method and machine and they will deny it, to your face.
@@That0Homeless0Guy I can’t find anything about archeologists hiding things from Pompeii ….. think you made that up. Also nobody I’ve ever seen has said that any of this was made with “sticks and stones” you’re being obtuse. Grow up.
@@Sir.Fisher Which also gives rise to the Fermi Paradox nonsense.*edit, well said btw
Ivan Efremov, the great Russian scientist and writer, in his 1963 novel “Razor blade” provided an excellent explanation for why we are often not able to understand ancient technology. He used the Antikythera mechanism as an example:
“In 1908, in the Aegean sea, off the coast of the island of Thera, divers found the remains of an Ancient Greek ship that dated back to the 1st century BC or so. A weird bronze mechanism was retrieved from the ship, among other things. The mechanism consisted of a complex web of geared wheels, somewhat similar to a kettlebell clock. For over half a century, scientists had been unable to unravel the mystery of this mechanism. Only recently did it come to light that this was a special calculation machine, created to perform calculations of planetary moves, which were paramount in the astronomy of the Ancient times.
What is important here is not the machine itself, but the fact that we were unable to understand its purpose until we created similar, but more exquisite, instruments ourselves”.
It’s not easy to recognize, in the 21st century AD, that even if now is a pinnacle of human civilization, it is not the only pinnacle that human civilizations have had…
What is important is that machine was probably just one of thousands, an advanced model, not a prototype, a huge amount of technology is/was lost, and a huge lot of books were burned.
I agree
Interpreting its purpose was hindered by the fact that it was found in one large encrusted clump and multiple smaller fragments with a lot of deterioration. Once the technology developed to conduct scanning and cleaning and reconstruction of the device it was understood. It fit with what was known of Greek astronomy and metallurgy of the time. Its not like the device was found intact and in mint condition and people couldn't figure it out. So, yeah great piece of technology showing yet again that those Greeks were really bright. But not sure that it provides the example that some people think that it does.
Nice try alien why can't you just admit you aliens be going around flying through space an shit and invented white folk intentionally so you knew they would destroy human society. They ain't da real Hebrews radio stations I question their blackness they call themselves black but we will see if they play this that is what Chuck D said and the name of his group public enemy number one and why that name because yall tricksy aliens yall hobbitses took the precious from us
@Tessa A thank you for that information.
It’s encouraging to hear someone entertain the idea that there’s ancient technology we don’t understand today instead of suggesting aliens created things.
Where is the physical evidence of any form of machines? There is none. We have fossils of dinosaurs that are tens of millions of years old, but we have NO proof of machines from a thousand years ago.
but actually... Aliens build it
He is entertaining the idea of aliens but very cautiously by not mentioning them and saying there stuff science doesn't know about, I am sure he knows about all that stuff. Basically science doesn't know about it now but they eventually will that ancient technology existed and it was aliens so we were right all along.
It's almost more unsettling to believe that there was ancient technology that we don't understand today, because that implies that it's possible for humanity to just forget about advanced technology. It's scary to think about how it's totally possible that, say, the Internet will break in a few decades and nobody alive will know how to fix it. But if something similar happened in ancient Egypt, then it could totally happen again.
@@cherkovision There is absolutely zero evidence of ancient civilisations having "Advanced technology". Instead of basing everything off of a stoner though, spend some time researching historical facts.
Imagine how advanced we would be today if we valued knowledge, growth, & true brotherhood. Instead those with power & influence prioritize war, indoctrination, control, & propaganda.
Knowledge is power. Why slaveowners did not want slaves to be able to read and write. Why former slaveowners did not want former slaves rot be literate. But I want to bring up an irony. General Grant and others set out to integrate the formerly savage indian nations, but met resistance, and having met resistance often used brutal methods, so out like what marine recruits might encounter in boot camp, modern liberals now regard as unacceptable. Yet. in truth, most westerners just hoped that the Indians would just “vanish”. Just as most white southerners hoped that the “negoes” would.
Blame religion. When catholicism spread for example they raped, killed, pillaged, burned all religious texts, destroyed all a societies written history. I cite catholics because I've been really into the destruction of history they caused the last few months and what they knowledge we think we lost as they know the societies were they wiped all the native history. Not every just destroyed like catholics did. Some allowed societies to coexist, some took the best technologies. People don't realize religions were murderers, rapists, entire cities of women and children were killed in gods name. It isn't the religion we know today. All those atrocities carried out in gods name meant your sins were absolved by the church for serving the church. If a religion tried to spread today like they used to they would be brought up on crimes against humanity and endless other war crimes.
@@johnschuh8616 oh can it
That's the crux of the problem. People in power don't want society advanced, or an expansion of knowledge and personal freedoms for those they rule over. That would threaten their power base and weaken their authority! If anything they want a return to the past and simpler times. That's the entire basis of Make America Great Again! Otherwise, it would be Make America Greater!
So true, and most remain unaware that this is the case. We would likely have built a Utopia if not for those who selfishly put their own advancement ahead of the entire human race.
a big problem people have is the hubris that often accompanies intelligence. I also wonder what we would know if the library in Alexandria stayed intact.
Most likely, that information would have been sequestered, stashed away in the Vatican, along with many other ancient artifacts, and only available to the highest level of the elite.
yeah good thing joe or none of the people on this podcast suffer from that /s
Just look at the covid scam and how intelligent people were taken in and are now back peddling. Having said that, you also have people who make careers out of being contrarian. You also have fantasists who appear 'normal'.
When I learned about the burning in school I was devastated… shit still sticks with me.. I could only imagine the knowledge….. damn savages
Thing is, the people in Alexandria knew that they were going to be invaded, so most of the very important scriptures and writings were taken before the burning of the library. Its not like they had no idea the Romans were coming and one day they were like "oh shit, theres a huge army are our doorstep!"
Ben & Jimmy and Randall & Graham are my absolute favorite duo-guests on JRE
I think the big problem we have is that we think we are the smartest generation of humans. As a species, we have probably lost so much information from the past.
I will add an example of how “modernists” prove to know so much less than they thought. So much Biblical scholarship of the 18th century was based on a profound ignorance of the last 1000 years BC. They ran intellectual bulldozers over large part of the text, They were no more easy on Homer. We still suffer from misuse of the term “myth”. as if The Iliad were necessarily less “historical” than "War and Peace "if one needs reliable information.
There are some geniuses amongst us, but most of us are far from smart, myself included.
Idk I agree with the original comment as this guy literally started this clip with how we need to keep an open mind looking back and what we know today may be different tomorrow, 5 years from now, 10 years..etc. so I’d say we’re aware, more still dumbfounded and astonished seeing as nobody has come out and flat out said “here is 100% how they did it”. Everything is still speculation or simply not known, admitted by almost everyone in the field.
@@OnEst_Opinion I think another problem we have is that we are trying to protect intellectual property to much for profits. We need to build and improve on ideas to progress them. They are stopping us from "standing on the shoulder of giants".
They figured out precision waaaay back in the day, and we needed advanced tech to figure it out. We not the "smartest."
I’ll never stop saying this for as long as I live but humanity’s biggest flaw they’ve placed on themselves is its ability to doubt its own achievements.
It's almost as if they're desperately looking for something to believe in: Aliens or Atlanteans...
When cynicism crushes the human spirit and God, Religion, Science, Philosophy, Politics, the Government, Capitalism, all the Isms and Society itself is a Hollow Lie, where human life is reduced to a meaningless existence in a cold, uncaring Universe -- innocent primates will turn to any ludicrous belief system in a delirium of existential dread.
Money-making conmen know how to exploit this void in those who are suffering maladies of the soul.
I’d say the biggest flaw in humanity is that ppl put power, fame and money in front of everything in the cost of everything else.
Couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately the addendum to that at least in western civilization has become I'm right and you're wrong unless you're in my cult. There seems to be such polarization across society that it is handicapping and debilitating us from achieving even the most basic and often obvious realizations and conclusions about nearly everything of significance whether historical or contemporary. Essentially we have become so smart we have become stupid. If we don't think it whether individually or as a particular cult or tribe that it's not possible there must be an incredible explanation beyond logical understanding of it must be aliens etc. What screams at me is humanity is older than we think was much more mixed all over the world than we think was much more advanced than the single-minded arrogance of today will allow most people to understand and did not require intervention from Alien beings. There is no question major cataclysms have hit this planet while human beings have been here and have wiped the slate near clean more than once.
I see your point. Back then there wasn't tv and distractions. Not to mention a million slaves who's only job everyday for 16 hours a day for 40 years....imagine what could get done
@@taken_name7721 in the real world if you have a garbage tool like a copper chisel…….. you’re not ever going to be as precise as a machine like a stone saw, when it comes to cutting giant rock
Joe obviously has the resources so I'm surprised that he hasn't taken a trip to Egypt to see for himself. Since I was a kid I was always fascinated by the pyramids in Mexico but seeing them in person is entirely different.
I question that too. I want to hear his opinion.
You have to get a list of things done before going to another country now especially “immunizations”
@JCG. Egypt is open. No vaccine required
Well, he is married and has children. He already has traveled enough in his commentator UFC career, and is decidedly travelling g a lot less.
@@MeadowsMiniFarm your point? Joe has been interested in the stuff for over a decade.
Why isn’t the full podcast on here anywhere?
Ben, love your channel, out-of-body experience seeing you on JRE. Fascinating topic, love this stuff 🥰
First time I personally viewed the Ramses head/face in 1964, it was still laying on the ground. If I remember, it was called, because it was a twin statuary, the Collosus of Memnon or some thing like that. It was on the western bank of the Nile and just off the dust road going up to the nearby 'Valley of the Kings'. These incredible artifacts were alone, quite large and out in a dirt field just off the road. Even by the rules of the day, the whole thing seemed a bit surreal.
@Clifton Not being rude in any form but thats Amenhotep III..he is the Pharoah of the colossus of Memnon respectfully...I get though they kind of all look alike in the 18th dynasty.
How old are you
@@grottofrog2978 that was close to my assumption as well, just seeing if he would reply im genuinely curious, not typical to see an 80 yr old in the comment section
@@korieharris4086 Well the Calvin and Hobbes profile picture definitely lends some credibility.
@@korieharris4086 hi kids__ not so fast 😂. Just turned 80 last year. Retired elementary teacher, love world history! I'm amazed at large modern buildings to this day. I grew up in eastern Kentucky( coal mining). Northern California now🌴😎for decades. Take care!
History was such a drag in school, but getting high and listen to this is fun!
Amen ...I went deep Luke...saw your note , laughed and went a whole new direction. Thank you.Peace..
Lol exactly. Can't bother to think critically but they'll take a bunch of crazy theories from a martial arts guy with a microphone and a conspiracy nut
I'm a sculptor and I think he takes for granted how much time and effort a skilled sculptor will put into their sculpture. Someone might spend days and dozens and dozens of hours making a clay head the size of a fist have perfect symmetry. There's no reason to believe a human couldn't achieve that
Imagine over 2 million hand made blocks and no mistakes. That's the great pyramid.
Imagine 2 million hand made Lego bricks...
@@sigmundvonsieradz8569 yeah it's a monumental feat. In my comment I was referring to the Symmetry in the stone statues faces that they were talking about towards the end
@@direwolf47 in solid stone, though?
There's a lot more evidence including the quarries and scoop marks and such things, it's easy to pick on one possibly plausible thing but with the bigger picture you see there is far more to it.
Actually humans are fking stupid every architecture wonder is the work of aliens it can't be human. Humans were too busy trying to rule the world.
@@sigmundvonsieradz8569 they have actual done new examinations and close ups of the pyramids. Its covered in granite which from far away looks clean and symmetrical. But when you are up close and examine the blocks on the pyramid. You can actually see the primitive tool chisels. And the unperfect cut of blocks. There actually pretty eroded and uneven and look very much human made
Knowledge and enthusiasm is a winning combination.
Ignorance and arrogance will end with you believing this garbage. It's completely debunked.
@@antman2826 debunked by moronic shills and governments terrified of the truth
Nobody gives any value to the opinions of feeble minded anonymous shills.
@@antman2826 fr people believe anyone given a platform to talk on, i dont know how people still have no clue about what joe rogan does he lets anyone speak, after this guy there could be a crack junkie talking about him going to mars and getting an alien wife.
The Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing. None of these guys have degrees in Archaeology or Anthropology. Best leave it to the professionals. Starting to sound like flat Earthers. "We did our own research AND we know better!"
So true. in this world of tik tok and social media. facts and actual wisdom are few and far between.
What if the ones who left the Pyramids for us left instructions on how to rebuild society and all of their knowledge. But, the ones who found all the Pyramids and history and books of knowledge just decided they liked the pretty shiny things more and destroyed whatever chance we had at being whatever we could have been.
More like: "Shit, that would fuck us up with the masses, so we better cover this crap up, and make up a bunch of nursery rhymes and rules for the slaves for generations to come."
'Modern World Elites': "It still works!"
@@gregorysagegreene maybe that too, either way they fucked us.
If the instructions were for how to rebuild, why didn't they rebuild when they collapsed or were on the verge of collapse?
What a blow to mankind when the library in Alexandria burned.
Thata a good theory
How can I watch the full video?
where can u watch the entire podcast?
Great to see Ben from Unchartedx on JRE!
The biggest question about massive ancient machines is "where are the remains of them"? Tools generally leave traces; look at all the stone and even wood from millenia ago. Modern industrial archaeology finds all sort of scrap mechanisms, Metal can be melted down, but could they all have been tidily recycled without leaving any traces?
well...those weird items they find in coalmines...like a shoe in a seam of coal half a mile down...and an old fashioned alarm clock too i believe. Perhaps the tectonic plates all shuffle around and over each other every now and then. Or, being that there is an ice age every hundred thousand years or so , glaciers and miles thick ice continents slowly moving would reduce anything to atoms. I don`t think there is anything new under the Sun. Civilisations rise and fall, thousands of languages appear, art, culture, technical excellence...yet all things end and back they must all go ..to atoms again...until the time is right for the survivng remnants to coalesce and begin the long journey of mankind anew until eventually reaching the moon....once again !
No they couldn’t, that’s exactly why these claims are pure pseudoscience it’s quack arts, and joe eating this bs up is funny af xd.
If it was done with sound, we likely wouldn't even recognize the "mechanism" utilized as a tool.
Not just the machines but the footprint that would be left in the archaeological record to create them.
Maybe they took them with them?
This entire episode was probably the most interesting thing I’ve ever listened to.
There's being inaccurate but then there's lying. Two entirely different things.
Exactly. All from the fear of having to say.....
"I don't know".
Or simply the lack of knowledge or understanding..?
You're young
How do we know these guys aren't lying?
Yes, discoveries, inventions & philosophical ideologies of geniuses past (Nikola Tesla) have been suppressed for hundreds of years.
The powers that be want to keep us peasants ignorant, because their power would steadfastly wane...
I think the problem today is we have the assumption that progress always goes forward, that we are more advanced than people in the past and our society is better than past which is why so many mistakes are made today as we won't learn from the past
What you said would blow the theory of evil ution out of the water.(Sorry about the misspelling but that word gets censored.) The theory must be protected at all costs.
@@steff9041 no. It really wouldn't.
The mirrors on the James Webb telescope are perfectly flat to a tolerance measured in atoms. Ancient people could never build such a thing. So yeah, progress does always go forward, I suppose by definition. Don't let pessimism cloud your vision...
^^^ How many ancient people have you met? You have a preconceived notion based on lies you've been fed and you aren't smart enough to see it
This would prove that a darker race was more advanced than what they want to say
There are drill marks (spiral, rounded triangle section shapes) in Poland, near Krakow - seems that it was done in order to break off large pieces of rock required to build stone walls / castles etc. - sounds quite close to what Jimmy is describing.
No relation
sound and vibration!
I was trained as a jeweler, and you can’t even polish platinum easily with our modern tools, and polishing compounds. If you have a platinum ring with basic scuff marks it is extremely hard to polish them off to a mirror finish and we use aluminum oxide based compounds.
Yet sand, water, raffia ropes, and copper tools could achieve mirror finishes on granite. Also, when you are polishing platinum it gets extremely hot. You cant even hold It without it leaving blisters on your hands.
Add to that how platinum is a 4.5 on the Mohs scale, granite is 6-8 Mohs, and the polishing compounds that we used have aluminum oxide on the 9 Mohs scale.
And yet people demonstrate it time and time again that you can. Must be a shitty jeweler then.
Love you man
They didnt have platinum in egypt to polish.
I polish lots of granite. It's not that difficult. Just time consuming.
@@Sphere723by hand?
We are talking about high cultures that existed for thousands of years with significant ressources spent on science, art and architecture and were probably not the first ones, so it's likely that they inherited knowlege. I addition we know that there was trade over extreme distances seemingly much more in the late bronze age than afterwards, so they were connected to many other cultures and it is unlikely that they exchanged goods but not knowledge. It is fair to assume that they acumulated a lot of knowledge and much of it is lost.
yes. exactly. and whatever froze the mamoths is about to repeat itself in amazing fashion.
Antediluvian world based technologies
ahaha monster leap
And yet they were using copper and bronze tools. so advanced yet still stupid? Wrong.
@@jzeerod yeah .. scary it froze alot of them in the middle of eating . Scary fast
The coral castle in Homestead Florida blows my mind.
You guys sometimes have an uphill battle. Glad you are doing more hands on research. I would suggest that even if the spiral tube drill piece had horizontal lines, it’s still better and more precise than the experimental ones archeologists made using copper wrapped sticks. There is something missing here and some brave archeologists are starting to at least say “I don’t know”.
Like you shown in your other videos, the quality of work was better earlier then later. Keep up the good work.
Just a quick thought. Do you think you can make a pottery bowl with no expierence as well as an artisan who has done it their entire lives? So just bc the archaeologists cannot perfectly replicate what was done hundreds of years doesnt mean there was some high technology being used. Why not say highly skilled. Research cultural arts that are being made today that you probably couldnt replicate now.
@@ch5477 I agree but disagree. Knowledge and technology has been lost over time. Even 100 years ago history gets lost or rewritten. The Romans had technology that we still don’t understand today. I am reading Ancient High Tech by Frank Joseph and find it fascinating. Things are lost through time. A lot of stone workers agree to the fact that they don’t understand how it was done. And some stone workers say it can be done. All this means is that more research needs to be done. Archaeologists aren’t perfect. More research is the best way for all sides. Keep an open mind. I think new knowledge is good for all science and understanding of our past.
@@ch5477 Highly skilled for sure. But I have read that even masons can’t figure out how they did it. And these were pre dynastic and made out of granite. None were made since. Alabaster which is softer was used. And not as skillfully done. I still think it’s a mystery
Ben needs to come back for his own episode. He was a great guest.
As a stonemason you'd be surprised how accurate a human can be with a mallet and chisel, we also use a pointing tool to accurately transfer details when carving it's a very basic tool and has been used for hundreds if not thousands of years. I'm sure that there are things that have been lost over time but honestly some of the tools I use today are based on tools that are hundreds of years old, the amount of people baffled by plug and feathers is unbelievable you can literally split 100 tonne blocks by drilling a few holes.
You mind if I ask, how does one get into being a stone mason? I'm interested in the field myself, but I'm not really sure where to look for employment. Any advice?
not with granite
@@andymitchell368 Yes with Granite.
@@evbbjones7 look for companies in your area and contact them to see if they're interested in taking someone on and training them alternatively you can fund yourself through college you want to search for banker masonry courses. It's a hard dusty old game but it's very rewarding, I have been doing it for 21 years and still enjoy it, good luck 👍🏻
Absolute bullshit hammer and chisel..hahahaha you must think people are pretty stupid. Watch listen and learn
I was diamond drilling for a year or two and I can tell you from personal experience that it takes hours to drill circular cores into granite. The spiral on that core is at least a hundred times faster than modern tungsten and diamond bits can be introduced into the work as the friction, heat and stress will snag the diamond particles and snap off the teeth. The interior of the box or so called 'Sarcophagus' in the 'Kings Chamber' was apparently core drilled with the same amazing speed. To push a circulating drill bit into granite at 1 millimeter per revolution would either require some type of burning bar, laser, plasma or extremely high pressure water jet technology or the ability to somehow soften stone. As an example that this may be the actual fact of the matter I observed that Petris' core seven is slightly truncated as if it had slumped after removal as I know of no method to produce and remove such truncated cores.
It's gotta be some kind for a glass drill bit they figured out how to make after having big pyres on sand.
Bullshit that has been debunked by plenty of guys who took a tube of copper and spun it with sand and drilled a hole trough granite. The rings you see are just the irregularities of the drilling, but it's not an advanced technology. A guy even showed how to saw trough granite with a piece of copper and some sand. It's not the copper that's cutting, it's the sand
so much speculation and so little solid proof when discussing these things. I'll stick with the mass labor over long periods/slow drilling theories rather than the high tech/high speed equipment theories. You have to admit its gets a bit pseudo sciencey when people talk of levitating stones and crap like that lol.
Is there any evidence they used any special technology? According to wikiepdai there were markings of copper saws and hand-drills. Is there any good source that says that high speed drilling was used?
wrong. I've seen lots of "drilled" holes in stones in my career as an archaeologist. sorry but we aren't lying to hide some baloney about aliens, or whatever it is people think these days
I’ve never tried to sculpt stone but I have sculpted soft clay ceramic and to sculpt even features and 90 degree angles is remarkably difficult.
Where do you find this podcast episode? It's not on Spotify. Why is spotify leaving out a bunch of jre podcasts?
This particular conversation is the most interesting of all.
Not if you approach it scientifically. But for gullible dudebro's shooting the shit while getting high, yeah, mindblowing stuff. Aliens!
In my first job there was a semi-retired ex steam turbine fitter who told me about , using a ruler, outside callipers , files and emery paper (a fine sand paper) , had to make a perfect cube of steel to within 1/1000" as one of the apprentice exam pieces.
So it can be done....
It'd be possible to create symmetry by marking points on the canvas with a measurement device like a ruler.
I’ve always wondered how if people like the Egyptians (or a civilization earlier than them) had things such as “giant machines” like big drills, etc. to make some of these objects in question than how did these objects that are made of rock or pottery or whatever survive but no elements of even a single “giant machine” has ever been found.
Well it would have been used to produce a lot of artifacts but there would only be a few machines
Well it would have been used to produce a lot of artifacts but there would only be a few machines
Well it would have been used to produce a lot of artifacts but there would only be a few machines
In 'Bronze Age' Egypt, Tutankhamun had a dagger with a blade made from meteoric iron - now in the Cairo Museum.
A relic much older than he
Yeah, because meteoric iron contains an alloy of many other metals such as nickel and zinc, which make it significantly softer than pure iron, and hence, easier to forge…
@@SourCastX false, it makes it incredibly hard to work with, to forge weld, to draw into shapes and to not break once the forging is done due to the inclusions causing internal weaknesses
@@shagy273 They could have attempted to draw the blade out 1000 times for all you know, the point is, the high melting point of iron is why ancient people were unable to forge pure iron for such a long time, and the discovery of meteorite made it possible.
It’s very nice to finally see more people talking about Christopher Dunns findings in Egypt / middle east.
Pseudoscience, I'm afraid... the man is pretty much spreading lies.
I saw a documentary about Mayan building techniques and there was some interesting evidence that a plant mixture mixed with a natural acid from gold deposits was used to soften granite and other hard stone.
This was covered on Ancient Architects. Very interesting. ua-cam.com/video/_KbSFphHCZY/v-deo.html
Gold has no acid in it lol.
@@Rudyard_Stripling I didn't say it did.
@@Merlinious from google, What's the actual material used to build Mayan pyramids? Most were built with limestone and a form of lime-burnt cement. The stones were usually bonded with cement, which was also used as filler.
@@Merlinious There is no granite where the Mayan structures were built.
I have seen the examples of core drilled holes, perfect, seemingly effortlessly boring perfectly cylindrical holes into solid granit. What I have yet to see is any explanation as to why these holes were made - what were they for?
The sacred geometry decoded channel has plenty of real world practical examples of this and many other stone working things being done. Check it out.
@Aaron Fuller yes it can and has been done with primitive hand powered tools.
It appears to me, very much similar to the photolithography technology used in semiconductor processing.
4:33 lapis sheath for Toth's scribe, the tool that engraved the Emerald Tablets.
Like changing the static on the channel
I worked for various surveying and engineering companies before getting hired by an excavating company as their surveyor. Not having a helper I resorted to old Roman techniques to lay out and check jobs. It is quite amazing what you can accomplish with a string, a weight, some sticks and a bowl of water. Add a bit of skill and some knowledge to that and you can get remarkable results in preciseness over lengths well over a mile. I know, I used to do it on a daily basis.
And an endless supply of humans.
no doubt you can achieve amazing precision with a string, but you would still use certain units of measurements
however thats the whole thing
we can be super precise because we have the metre/metric system
even the imperial system uses the metric as a foundation
we only got the metre 200 years ago from nepoleon
yet before this in many ancient sites the metre shows up aswell as the metric system.
now the only way to get the metre is by knowing the size of the planet
even the romans used a version (spans i think) 5 spans is a metre
yet we didnt know the size of the planet till majellan expedition aswell as nepoleon doing the math (which he also used the great pyramid to help)
their is a great deal of backstory to basic ideas we all take for granted
sorry for my english hopefully this makes sense
Yes, perfect symmetry is not a good argument for ancient technology. Plenty of rudimentary methods to achieve that. There are other mysteries that are more difficult to solve
@@kp-legacy-5477 The units don't matter at all. What matters is having consistent references. If everybody is using their own forearm as a measure, nothing will be precise because the measurements will be inconsistent. If everybody uses sticks cut based on the length of one guy's forearm, however, you can be extremely precise because everyone is using the exact same measurements.
The metric system just lets us have the same consistent measurements globally, so that a meter in Amsterdam is the same as a meter in Canada, and we all speak the same measurement "language". It has nothing to do with being precise within the confines of a single project.
You don't need the metric system to make perfectly square tools, you don't need the metric system to make perfectly flat surfaces, and you don't need the metric system to cut perfectly uniform holes. You just need consistent references and some rather ancient techniques.
@@kp-legacy-5477 You're wrong, the diameter of the earth was established very precisly thousands of years before Magallán/El Cano.
Imagine discovering one of the greatest and most important discoveries of you life….and not telling a soul….and none of the people you paid for work went back and told their families and friends
This happens all the time, you have to give the funders what they want or your career goes bye bye
@@ital1anstallion4 yes. Think Jurassic Park. You do the research and find the results we want, or we pull your funding. Scientists are not Bruce Wayne, it's many years of expensive university education and no time for an actual job or any part time work. So "someone" pays you and funds you. Start finding things deemed undesirable and the money disappears. Look at what happened to Nicola Tesla
They did go back and tell their families and friends, but their family and friends didn't care, or thought it was useless info, because no one else will listen down stream, or care, ....and it doesn't put food on the table for anyone...I just heard what was just presented and what could I possibly do with this info? Why would I want to share this info with anyone?
It's called a gag order and being threatened with untimely death
@@wudu3214 LOL wow man you need to get out more. This is not new. Funders need money. PERIOD. If the greatest discovery of human kind, will not yield them great wealth... rest-assured it will be buried forever. Even if that entity is too dumb to realize what they have. In discovery and science, if the discoverer can not explain it 100%, they usually do not announce a discovery. Humans like answers, and if it is only more questions, they tend to not want to hear about it.
What blew my mind was how the Aussie & Joe pronounced VASE. I thought they'd be opposite. With Joe pronouncing it VASE, and Aussie pronouncing VAHS
the blue with gold tip is a cool stem..they snorted or smoked out of it
I love answers without paying attention to details
JRE
“…this is something not done in artwork.” Proceeds to show artwork.
A fella called Klaus Dona, watched an interview/presentation by him years ago, he's got evidence of rakes of out of place artefacts, undeniable the ancients knew far far more than we do currently
I used to read a lot about those. They’re called “ooparts”. Out Of Place ARTifactS.
SMOKER
reality is plenty impressive
why believe in bullshit?
yup their aircraft carriers were something else
There’s always a liar
This whole topic is just so insanely fascinating. It's EXTREMELY obvious that there is zero possible way these people could've carved statues with perfectly symmetrical faces. It doesn't even make sense... no one can do that, and yet there it sits.
Would love to know how all of this was done.
Of COURSE they knew how to do it! These expert ancient stonemasons devoted their entire lives to it. Why don’t you watch ‘history professor debunks ancient high technology’ on UA-cam. I used to believe in all this crap as well, but when you watch this video you will realise Ben is a con man.
By artisans…and artists. It’s not that complicated.
@@ppssppwwewwf >> Have you looked At Michelangelo lately? He didn’t have power tools either.
@@jaybee9269are you sure you understand what "perfect symmetry" means?
@@AnElementOfChaos >> Entirely. Archaeologists have a word for that fallacy (the idea that that art couldn’t be done without advanced tech); they call it “precisionism”.
From what I have seen on videos is the tube drill or hole saw is cutting at 1mm per revolution. The hole saw was in wood cannot cut that fast. The drawing of one half of a face is then “Mirrored “ to achieve a full face along the vertical axis.
What fascinates me the most is how Greco-Roman water-powered robots, i.e. automatons, worked and were built. According to the historicalaccounts, they moved, danced, played music and served wine while the fountain pushed water through them. Unfortunately, no remains or drawings of any of these have been found, which is a shame.
In the Modern Age (Renaissance), the Italian-Spanish engineer Juanelo Turriano (responsible for building a system to transport water from the river Tagus up to the mount in which the city of Toledo was built), is said to have built a wood automaton that could walk to the nearest bakery to buy bread, it was called the “Hombre de Palo”. Nowadays there’s a street in Toledo by that name.
You can make symmetry just by using a template. I do it in woodworking all the time
cool story michaelangelo.
True friend, but cutting granite with stone tools is different than wood. As you know, some woods are hard as rock!
Chumlee from Pawn Stars is really branching out. 😄
The stone ceremonial pottery hah they have at the british museum, looks a lot like water pump assemblies, air gap bearings, and in one case a chemical laser diode.
What he's saying reminds me of a conversation I have with my co workers about our boss. Sometimes he sells jobs to customers telling them oh yeah we'll do this and that and this and that.....because he's not the guy doing it. Like no, actually if you want ____ it's gotta do ____ because of _____. And then they get mad because "well your boss said this this or this." Because he's not the one doing it.
It's easy to say how something is done its another thing to do it.
That's why I quit working for Web agencies. The sales men would promise the moon, then expect the web developers to just make it happen O.o
What???
It’s probably more simple then people think but because it can’t be figured out so it must be something futuristic
Yup "advanced technology" relatively.
Their whole stupid narrative is: I dont know how this was made, ergo lost high technology
That's not the point. Historians ascribe things that were built and manufactured in the past to civilisations and equipments/artefacts that simply do not match.
Consequently this puts our whole understanding of the sequence of human history in doubt.
What is considered is not something 'futuristic' rather the earlier existence of high knowledge that may have been lost through war, apocalyptic events, ...
@@jasonpapai Wrong !!!! They say the mainstream historians ascribe artefacts, which are still not understood today from an engineering standpoint, to civilisations and it's tools that simply do not match. Furthermore they say that historians, who actually know very little about engineering, are unwilling to open up to the opinions of people who have a better grasp of engineering.
Yeah. Ancient Egypt was around for a very long time. Cleopatra was alive closer to today than she was to the building of the pyramids. They had a lot of time to perfect their techniques. Moreover, high skills tend to be kept in closed guilds, passed on from master to apprentice. This makes it very easy for the skills to go extinct.
Does anybody know of Jean Pierre Houdin? His theory of the how the Pyramids were built (using internal ramps) is quite compelling. It didn’t need too much technology, is sophisticated, and looks like a typical engineering construction methodology, even including staging areas for storing the large blocks before being pulled dragged.
It’s a good hypothesis, just like many others out there. Is it correct?
Sound cones were used. The ones that you see in cuneiform that a couple of the folks are holding. They also have what looks like watches on which has been said to be the frequency tuners for these cones that have inscribed in the bottom Voices of Sound...or something like that.
There have been a couple folks since who have replicated this technology which was using sound/frequency to power.
It's kind of funny I heard Eddie Griffin say the pyramids were made with sound way before they did
Eddie griffin also said it was water that moved them. You use sand and water then dry the sand and the stones “slide in place”
So he wasn’t always spot on. But yes, he did say this, and yes that’s the key to the universe. Vibration.
@@JayWil29 Says a random dude named Jason lol
@@nebulousisgod
Does that just discredit me….? Cause YOU don’t know me?
Eat these words….. VIBRATION… is the key to the universe. When your mind catches up remember this message.
👍🏾 me personally: Telekinesis
6:43 No, you achieve symmetry with good measurements. It's more common in construction than art, but you find symmetry in buildings everywhere, and these large sculptures have much more in common with construction than art.
Thats what I disliked about this conversation. None of these people discussing this subject in this video even seem to understand basic construction concepts.
@@dezznutz3743 "Basic" to your 2023 mind. They were not "basic" concepts in 3000 BC
I love how we slowly find more evidence of ancient civilizations having advanced tools that straight up carve granite to a perfectly smooth edge. To the point where wed have a hard time replicating it with diamond tipped saws, yet were told that none of this was possible.
Im not jumping straight to aliens, but it's pretty obvious were being kept in the dark about how advanced humans used to be and I cant understand why theyd want to hide that.
Im thinking maybe we could be far more advanced thatn theyd have us believe and were being held back as a means of controlling the populous?
Nonsense. Granit is traditionally worked on by either quarzsand and then just friction like with a stick or another stone and rubbing it with your hand 10000s of times. Laborious but very doable or by chipping away on it with a harder stone which is what the Egyptians mostly did. Just bang against it with a harder stone until you have the shape you want. no modern technology required. Modern people don't understand the meaning of craft anymore. Every moron now thinks he needs an electric drill to drill a hole in some soft wood and can't even imagine how people before the invention of electricity did it. guess what. stone age people where good at working stone. They knew how to do it and they had weeks and moths of time to just rub or bang against if until it was perfect. Today people throw a tantrum if their diamond drill bit takes more than 30 seconds... fucking morons who have forgotten the meaning of craft.
I think it’s possible to replicate it with technology technology knows how to make straight lines and cut were humans cannot
what are you on about even my kitchen has smooth granite work top
This was an awesome episode Ben Van brings so many facts to the table, yet it all still ignored. We can look for ourselves in the past . Thanks JRE and Ben can keep bringing those FACTS, they can’t deny it forever
He's just a grifter.
Are you able to name a single ground breaking fact that's being ignored?
"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world."
-Archimedes, you damned conspiracy theorists
"Here, try it with my ruler bro."
- Every school child, moments before something goes snap and everyone gets in trouble for catapulting half a ruler across the classroom.
So there was a PBS (I think) special where they hired a guy to try and stand up an Obelisk like those found in Egypt. He couldn't do it. However, the carpenter he hired to build some massive wood crane/rig did figure it out. Guy used sand to help drag the stone and also used sand encased with bricks to stand up the stone. It's a fun watch.
But it wasn’t nothing like what they did
@@236kbomb Um... the whole point being we today DONT KNOW what they did or didnt do... So- in that special the technique was ONLY presented as a possibility- If the 'experts cant 100% figure it all out completely- why do u think YOU'RE qualified to say? lol
@@StefanTonioSampson So the most logical path is thinking that they had technology from another dimension?
@@GMPOFloyd I don't think that's what they were getting at
@@236kbomb What did they really do?
That blue tube with the metal scoopy thing on the end is a hash or opium pipe.
"Built by the use of those forces in nature as make for iron to swim, Stones float in the air in the same manner" > Edgar Cayce - 1932
How come no one ever says the Coliseum was built by advanced technology? It was able to turn into a giant lake to have sea battles, and we know it was built using pulleys and levers. Why would the pyramid be any more difficult?
We know why.
@@b3at2 🤣
The colosseum is made of many smaller blocks stacked together, I’m pretty sure the granite blocks in the pyramids are several hundred times heavier
because that wouldn't sell books!!
Advanced for their time, pulleys and levers have been around for a very long time. And the Romans also had public baths they could fill and empty, they had underground water pipes and sewers.
That moment in life when you find out the world is 90% full of crap.
Cheers to that brother
96%
It's amazing how many people fall for this nonsense
@@stevepickford3004 amazing how you fall for the nonsense you were taught in history books.
@@dnmegasdan2004 I know. They tell us the world is a sphere! What a joke. We know its a disk and the aliens from another disk came and taught us magic but we just all forgot and they just left and never came back. What's so hard to get?
For the drill: copper or brass flat saw blade hammered and filed to shape or casted to shape. Cheap to fix if it breaks. As for the symmetry of a statue, a wooden jig could be used.
Nice joke
Sound
It's Christopher Dunn they should have on this podcast.
Has anyone seen that video of the guy that builds a Stonehenge like structure with almost no help. He just uses balance and leverage to move and raise the stones. Also the Coral Castle in florida was built by one guy.
coral castle guy with 10k egyptians could build anything
@@KingSobieski Coral Castle guy moves stones as large as the Egyptians did by himself, so the claims that people couldn't manage something only prove that the person making the claims are too lazy to do anything themselves.
In a thousand years some douche bag with a neo-australian accent will say it was made by secret US government alien technology.
The clearances would not allow that technology to get into the tunnels to move the stones, we still don't even have any
GOOD GUESSES or estimations on how they moved massive stones and polished granite to a mirror like finish, IN PLACE in a small tunnel.
The coral castle guy didn't show or tell us how he did it tho... And what we know is that he was using levitation and some shit like that....
Can we get some links to these sites ie: Stretching Far Back Into Time, as I'm interested in the new theories of how these were potentially actually created?
Sod these silly archis who still cling to the old ways when there so many new discoveries that de-bunk them and bring new question as to other possibilities 🤔
Nice show BTW, 😃👍
It is the same as asking them difficult questions about strata early human existence. I remember in college asking our biology prof some basic questions about evolution that seemed questions that any researcher would e asking and want answers to and he said "we aren't trying to answer those". I was like "huh?".
Have you ever thought that you aren't the first person to ask the same questions, which are to him inane. After the 100th person asks them, I would brush them off with a comment like that too. Assuming you're challenging a professor with a difficult question, instead of being student #137 to bring up something you saw on a UA-cam video, could be your mistake. Also one professor is not all of archeology.
@@MisterChelonian thanks for some rational third perspective
Some people need a a little doubt or to put themselves under the same scrutiny as their surroundings
I saw the Asterix and Cleopatra movie, at around 25 minutes in they show how the Pyramids were built.
Popular front of Judea.🙂
You know during roman times there was more time between them and the construction of the pyramids than the time between them and us now.
Re: Rotating an image, in the textbook/ “why would they do that?” It is common in the printing process to rotate images slightly, to make straight lines run at right angles, to minimize rasterizing in the print process; which makes
things look “notchy”, if they are left slightly off-axis.
*me scanning my notes for the field trip protocol* : nice, perfectly straight with good resolution.
*me after putting them into the document and printing them* : fuck...
@@tomthecasual5337 me reading vapid comments like this…🤦♂️🤫
Jason breshear from ARCHAIX has phenomenal research
The idea of hardness was known, so to drill or cut or inscribe anything requires a harder object. Diamonds were known.
Size and mass relate to moving large blocks. We have architectural examples of ancient stone transport and building. That means tools of size and mass available to move and lift these giant carved blocks.
Lapis is between 5 and 6 on the Mohs scale:
1. Talk
2. Gypsum
3. Calcite
4. Fluorite
5. Apatite
6. Orthoclase
7. Quartz
8. Topaz
9. Sapphire (Corundum)
10. Diamond
I have done some lapidary when I was young, some hand worked as I could not afford machines back then. It is entirely possible to cut and polish softer stone like Lapis by hand. You just need harder cutters, abrasives, water & patience to do it. I have even worked Quartz & chalcedony by hand. You can glue a stone to a stick with bee's wax to hold it for working. Freeze & bump it to detach from the wax. In many places, that can be done just jut be leaving it outside over night, especially at the altitudes available in the mountains of Afghanistan where Lapis came from.
Ok, now do this with the scale of the rose granite blocks found in the pyramids.
@@timothy790110 They had corundum which absolutely could cut granite.
@@timothy790110 Granite is 6 to 8 on the Mohs scale. If the OP could do Quartz, he could do granite.
Plus there is the unfinished obelisk in Egypt which gives scientists a lot of information on how it was done.
Not to the tolerances they have found
@@crackerjack3287 Evidence for your claim?
Possibly a link to a scientific study?
My uncle is a master jewelry who has been all over the world and he can talk Egypt and Japan and China ideas he's heard I love it....story type everyday I keep telling him to make a podcast series!
I would maybe listen
i love stories
Do it and drop the link here now go
How about a spinning water jet, which would explain why some of them seem to taper.
I think they used some type of oscillating tool in the quarry of Aswan, Egypt.
Here’s my thing about primitive tools. You have people who are experts with computers and computers haven’t even been around 100 years. Imagine how good you’d get with the tools you have at hand if you just spent your whole life practicing with them. I’m sure you’d be able to do crazy things with the skills you developed
I've been playing with my junk for sixty years and it's basically a one trick pony.
@@donwayne1357 Too good 🤣
Wrong!.. way wrong actually... those people would realize that there primitive tools can't do half of what the job requires. Today, with all the tools and machines we have we can duplicate what ancient cultures created. So it is hidden and we are lied to not just about structures and tools but also giants.
@@gogim7661 Is that your attempt at an argument? Or do you think your opinion, absent one, matters?
Yet despite thousands of years of "perfection", we don't use those tools anymore. We opt for much more modern solutions, at most, decades old.
The fact they didn't record how they did it is another mystery to me.
They probably did, but it was thousands of years ago and the papyrus probably got lost. We don't even have a complete version of certain gospels in the Bible.
they certainly did. but someone’s grandkid probably colored it and used it to decorate the plaza when the gladiators rolled through.
That's an assumption. So they didn't carve the plans or techniques into the stone that remains. Neither do we. There are no paper books telling of the technology. It's been long enough for them to turn to dust but they probably didn't use them. It's actually likely that the it was stored in media that no longer exists because of what it was made of. How many hard drives from the eighties have you seen lately and how common is it to find someone who can access the information stored on the remainders? Add twenty thousand years and ask again. Today's largest piece of software is measured in petabytes. Someday soon it will be possible to store all that information, which still fails to contain the answers to these mysteries, on a reasonably sized device. What device would a civilization more advanced than this one require to hold all that information? It's being discovered that information can be stored molecularly. DNA is an example. Water has a memory. Crystals can be arranged to contain optically readable information like a three dimensional laser disc. You may be walking on the records of lost civilizations without recognizing it. Don't look for carvings, cave paintings or scrolls, look for something that could hold zetabytes of information.
It may have been kept in the Library of Alexandria which burned down. There's no telling what histories or blueprints or novels were lost in that fire. Real shame
Look into the chamber under the left paw of the sphinx
Jimmy C .- "It's virtual perfection"
Indeed
Other than Graham's work, can anyone guide me to a good documentary on this subject of past civilizations and their technology?
If you like Graham Handcock, there is no hope for you.
I wonder if they cut some of the stones using some sort of EDM wire cutting technique.
Mud fossil university
I don't think granite has consistent conductivity for EDM. I've cut a lot of exotic materials with EDM. A Hansvedt wire we had used a granite arm for the lower head mount.
It seems that a lot of people do not realize that the Romans and Greeks documented a ton of "high technology" and those records still exist. I'm sure a lot of it was inherited from older civilizations. I have an old engineering book somewhere on technology of antiquity that I cannot put my hands on at the moment, but I see that even Amazon has several similar books. So, this information is available if you want to find it. They left plans for freaking huge machines that they built out of wood which probably exhausted the old world forests.
[EDIT] I tried to respond to some of your questions but I don't see my replies. I think the book I have is out of print. Try "Engineering in the Ancient World" by J. G. Landels. It looks very similar to the book that I have.
I doubt if much wood was used with the building of the pyramids, this different again.
I wonder if they used shadows to figure out stuff aswell
Please be specific about these materials the Romans and Greeks documented.
Burning of the Library of Alexandria… one of the greatest crimes against humanity ever committed
@@timcoppinger3373 Why? They have docks, ships, etc… Trade goes back thousands and thousands of years. They were more interconnected in 1500BC-500BC than we are today… That’s why the Bronze Age Collapse hit so hard and literally erased almost every civilization once the chain collapsed
It seems to me like we need to analyse the stone artifacts more to build a better understanding.
I find it very interesting to ask myself why they psychologically felt the need to make both sides of the face be identical.
Symmetry in sculpture isn't rare in the slightest, but it IS a decision.
My thought is that the face is symmetrical on both sides, because it wasn't designed by an artist.
Maybe designed by an architect, scientist, mathematician.
It's a good question.
Why decide to make the face symmetrical.
The more you find out about ancient Egypt, the more amazing it becomes.
Humans had the intelligence and capability of carving a symmetrical face. The effort, skill, time, and math is enormous, but possible
There's no maths involved. Just a nail and rope.
Have you never met an artist? Not many of them use math to draw or carve
Even knowledge of the math is unnecessary in order to carve a symmetrical face, it’s a skill or talent honed over years of practice and with a good trained eye a human can make absolutely perfect sculptures, people look at a person’s life work and attributes it to machines when there’s even examples in modern times of sculptures having perfectly carved faces.
@@disturbed157 artists use math all the time. Especially the best artists, and if you think they don't, your just wrong.
It actually wouldn't be too difficult to make a profiler that mirrors an existing face with very few mechanical linkages. And a simple plumb line would give you a perfectly vertical, perfectly straight line to align the tool with against the initial half carving.
The machining accuracy and techniques are far more deserving of academic focus.
That is just basic geometry and good in practice but as far as actual execution it becomes much more complex and how symmetrical it was created is what he is questioning since something so massive was made very accurately to where it wouldn’t match how an art piece or engineering structure would be manufactured just by hand
You have zero idea what your talking about. Including your worship of a fallen angel of the waters... enki...
Deception leads to more deception
*Enuo Enkidu*
You try making a plumb line that long stay straight , then tell the rest how.
I was thinking something similar. When I was a kid taking shop at school before computers, we had multiple ways to make a design symmetrical.
The machining accuracy, though, is the technique that deserves more research on how it was achieved.
@@c.galindo9639 spoken like someone who's never executed an art peice or engineered anything of skill in their life.
Seems to me that a grid can be setup using string and levels. Both were available back then..
Can you watch this whole video somewhere? Only place I can find the whole podcast it is just audio only ..
They used large tuning fork style tools to make the frequencies, as one would with ultrasonic tools, havong no electricity or fuel powered tools of today. A copper wire, copper tubes, and scoops were all connected to the tuning forks for different applications.