How Expensive was it to own a VW Phaeton W12 for 4 Years? Total Cost of Ownership [TCO]
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I owned a VW Phaeton W12 from 2010 to 2014.
The car was bought with 110'000 km and sold with 180'000 km.
It was expensive to own. Very expensive!
Ironically, a Volkswagen turned out to be the most expensive car I have owned to this day.
Here's the breakdown of all the costs associated with owning the car:
Date km Item Cost
06.11.2010 111756 Wheel change 89.-
08.12.2010 113524 Service 3525.-
04.03.2011 Number Plate Holder 76.-
09.04.2011 117017 Wheel Change 95.-
03.05.2011 118954 Window winder & trim piece 1142.-
10.06.2011 Dension Gateway 300 58.-
03.10.2011 130781 AT, Xenons, Plastic piping... 4363.-
09.11.2011 130781 Upper Control Arms 1478.-
13.01.2012 135178 Service 1746.-
25.03.2012 135178 Summer Tires (275/40/19) 1224.-
25.05.2012 142013 Xenon Ballasts (installation) 203.-
13.07.2012 142013 Ballasts & Wiper Assy. 3125.-
14.08.2012 A/C recharge 65.-
16.11.2012 148225 Wheel change 95.-
14.02.2013 154201 Service 2444.-
04.04.2013 157267 Wheel change +Bleed screw 134.-
14.06.2013 159037 AT-Service 753.-
09.10.2013 165213 Winter Tires (235/50/18) 937.-
28.02.2014 171316 Brakes (Front) 1431.-
16.04.2014 173735 Service 1134.-
30.04.2014 176246 A/C recharge 184.-
11.07.2014 177389 Shock Absorber replacement 4524.-
Total Maintenance 28'823.-
Fuel 19’871.-
Insurance 7’200.-
Taxes 3’663.-
Cost of Ownership 59’557.-
Purchase Price 21’000.-
Sale price 9’000.-
Depreciation 12’000.-
TCO 71’557.-
Costs per Year 17’889.-
Costs per km 1.02
Turns out there was a reason, why a car that cost CHF 220'000.- new was sold for just CHF 21'000 after just 5 years and 110'000 km - It's a nightmare to own.
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The seats weren't massaging you. They were trying to locate your wallet.
reinplat 😂😂😂
Very funny!!!! You must remember it's a German car and basically a Bentley in a VW body...
So since it is German, "we have ways of finding your wallet!"....
😅😅😅😅😅
reinplat pre nup?🤔😂
Comment of the year!!! 😂
The guy at the dealership retired 5 years early because of you.
hahahahahaha
😂😂😂😂😂 he is done for
This guy is the reason the VW service team is always in maldives for holidays
hhahahahahaha the vw dealership spent 6 hours to diagnose your shock absorbers. man, that dealership must love seeing your bald head coming in every time
Bwahahahhahahaha
Service writer got a woodie every time he came in. Man I’d buy your car used in a heart beat. You replaced everything but the doors
Nothing against what Renault charges at dealerships
Seems he kept that dealership from going bust
They love to give tons of coffee and free wi-fi so joke is on them xD
I can see the pain in this man’s eyes
Well he probably has a good job and it's Switzerland. But yeah still it's so expensive
Funniest comment here!!!
I bet his haircut cost him 35 franks.
35 Franks, are you crazy? I only use premium dog salons!
Harcix You mean polish.
That's a cost of a new Toyota GT86 just in maintenance cost alone. Loved the video!!
Most dealerships are a RIPOFF!
We call them stealerships in England I avoid them at all cost
I had a terrible experience with what I thought would be a cheap little Mazda 2. After spending and spending on the peice of crap I ended up trading it in. I just cut my losses other wise it would have cost me more money 🙄
Every* not most.
This reminds me a lot of DeMuro's experience with his Range Rover and his CarMax warranty.
Range Rover's are money pits and newer land rover's
*puts on sunglasses and makes wild hand gestures* endless money pit!
"Rev Up Your Phaetons"....!!!
You forgot to mention the Celica.
@@paulwhite8024 And the $5000 fancy scan tools.
... that's what happens when you buy German instead of buying Toyota. Ha Ha Ha Ha. (queue donkey face)
You are a very rich man !!!! i will stick with my Lexus LS430. I heard horror stories of BMW expenses, this one beats all ! I wonder how much will be maintenance cost for a 2005 A8...
Not anymore after owning the Phaeton. 😥
Good Choice on the LS430 . Had one myself.
I had a 2012 Q7. Great car, but was in the shop every three months needing service. My most expensive visit was almost $5,000, which included tires, and and engine flush.
@@michaelronan7769 I had Hyundai Santa Fe 2012, its pretty big SUV with 3.3L V6. And maintainance cost to me nothing for 2 years. Absolutely reliable car..
@@spacemaster5206 didn't change oil?
Noah Ray it comes with oil from factory you know
Pro Tip: just stay at home.
Antiochia ad Taurum more like pro demand nowadays
Pro pro tip. Get a bicycle 🚲 and a Lexus ES hybrid
Title should be: Cost of owning a VW if you only take it to the dealer for everything.
ii think he even go to service when he just needs fill gas xD
There is one for sale near me for $6500 in great condition but after doing the conversion it cost this man $29,000 U.S. dollars for maintenance for four years. That's insane
You have such a great sense of humor! I still cry when I think about cost of ownership.
tbh some of those "repairs" weren't really needed. Still expensive regardless!
I’ve had a Mercedes S Class and a BMW 5 Series as well as two Volvos in the past. The Volvos weren’t nearly as costly to own as the Mercedes or BMW but you might want to try a Lexus. Though not quite as tightly wound a sport sedan they are excellent as luxury sedans s and there is a rewarding value to that and all that I can tell you is that the ultimate luxury is a car that works every day, never leaves you stranded ever, and that you don’t have to think about. You never go to bed at night with a knot in your stomach upset that your car is driving you to distraction instead of your destination. The greatest luxury is peace of mind. So far only two batteries a set of tires a set of brakes in nine years of ownership. The dealership gives me a choice of picking my car up and dropping off a loaner car at my home for maintenance service and bring it back later to me at work or I can go to the dealership. If I go to the dealership they have an espresso bar, stenographers and neck massagers. Life doesn’t get much better.
I thought that my S Class would have been my worst gold digger car but the BMW was even worse.
Yeah, tell me about BMWs... How many turbos did you change? I honestly think the turbo is the worst designed part in a BMW.
What Lexus model did you have?
@@verliebt3465 I have a 2015 RX350 and a 2011 ES350
@@LlyleHunter thanks, i was thinking about buying an Rx and it's good to know they give this kind of great service even for customers who buy cheaper models not just the "flagship " models.
@@LlyleHunter I drive a 2005 LS430 with 192K miles and original Engine and Transmission. the Transmission fluid has not been changed even once !
~ENDLESS MONEYPIT~
as Scotty says
No, Endless Endless Moneypit
....as they age... 😁🤣
Only stoopid people buy them. Ha....ha....ha....(grinning hyena meme).
@TheOerdin I know. That's why I'd only get a japanese or korean one.
Thanks for the insight on the Phaeton they look luxurious and they sell on average for 9k U.S. in 2020. I was tempted ... I’ll pass on them ;)
Dirt cheap if you go to a regular mechanic.
You should try a ROLLS, Bentley, or Lambo- maybe you can finally bankrupt yourself..... This is Insane. Bless your ❤️. This was like a difunctional relationship that you couldn’t quit.
lol! I followed along very entertaining!
I bought a 2003 Ford F-150 with a 4.2 liter v6, and a 5 speed stick new in January 2003. I still have it. Primary vehicle, so its not a weekend hauler. 270,000 miles (435,000km) later. We are still good.
purchase: $17,000.00
fuel: $41,293
oil changes: $2,700.00
Tires: $3,200.00 (80k miles, 125k miles, 200k miles)
Clutch: $800.00
Slave cylinder: $300.00
rear main seal: $200,00 ( this was the problem, but I replaced the clutch and slave cylinder because we dug into it that far at 190k miles)
Shocks at 80k miles $750.00
Front bushings and shocks at 175k miles $1700 (driveway job, with followup at an alignment shop)
Brake pads: $200.00
front brake rotors $60.00 (when I did the front end work)
Intake plenum isolator bolts, $95.00 (they were originally made with a rubber that didn't care for ethanol)
Serpentine belts $50.00
Spark plugs $100.00
vacuum hose spool. $50.00 ( and I still have most of the spool)
radiator hoses at 200k miles $85.00
Insurance $13,600.00
grand total of $82,183
$0.304/mile
so in total, I suppose I spent more than you... but for admittedly drastically different result.
...and if we are to be fair, the result has not yet been finalized. I'm still loving it! Over 17 years, she just keeps aging like a fine truck.
You cost per mile is waaaay lower than mine. You did good!
I just found a random Phaeton as I was browsing mobile.de for mid size+ sedans. I think I might stick to a 5 yo Avensis or mazda 6. Your video was entertaining, and educational, thanks for sharing in such detail!
Makes my CL 55 AMG Kompressor deserve a financial award for deal of the decade ;)
I have a Audi A8L W12 and it’s consumed €110k in petrol in 7 years and €85k worth of repairs, so I feel your pain
I had an 2001 E38 BMW 740il that was just as expensive and frustrating to own.
I thought E38 are solid and reliable ! I dive Lexus LS430 but always have a soft corner for E38 which I feel is one of the prettiest car ever ! People always make E38 to be very reliable !!!
@@nasarazam , you sir have one of the most reliable cars ever made. I am thinking of getting one. How has it worked for you?
@@EzerEben I bought it used with 192K miles on it. It is a 2005. Any 15 year old car will have it's share of issues. "Reliable" does not mean it is "Brand new". You always look it relative to other Luxury cars that are 15 years old. My front passenger side door lock actuator does not work and the telescoping steering is not working (tilt works). If you are handy with maintenance, you will save a lot. I cannot turn on a wrench and has to get everything done. Changing spark plugs on this one is a lot easier than on a Camry or ES300/350. Brake pads changing is easiest from what I heard/saw. However, the parts are expensive. One of my Mufflers were rusted. Instead of using the genuine Lexus Muffles for $550, I used Walker one for $300. It does not break down often like German cars, but when it does, parts are expensive. Overall, it is a very good car and drives very smooth with minimum road noise. I am older person and like soft smooth ride. Having said that, i somehow misses seeing the long hood and the start of W126 :)
Navigation on LS430 sucks! BTW with over 193K miles, Transmission fluid has never been flushed or changed and it shifts perfectly ! All windows, sunroof, seats, A/C , folding side mirrors, CD and Cassatte Tape works. Yes, I use Cassate tapes :)
@@nasarazam , thank you for the impressive, detailed response. I'm interested more in the car now and will looks for some to test drive.
I subscribed after seeing your Lexus video . Sorry but this video brought tears to my eyes with laughter . I love your understated sense of humour . Thanks for your detailed review intuitively I avoided a nightmare. Aesthetically the Phaeton ticks all the boxes. What a beauty but your right a professional gold-digger.
Glad that the car that shall never be named only brought positive tears.
I had a STILO ABARTH 2.4L in the early 2000....just 2 years: 14 service truck...14 times stopped...I was lucky everithing covered by warranty. 14 time problems with Automatic Transmission.
My dude, you bought a VW Phaeton basically on Halloween...
I have an 04 Phaeton w12. It isn't bad compared to a mercedes v12. His mistake is not looking in forums and not using an independent mechanic. He got ripped off big time. This car is for DIYers and not for dealership maintenance. The air strut should have been rebuilt because all that goes bad is the o-rings to the air bladder. I could go on and on. The real bill maybe should have been no more than 20000k for 4 years. Brakes on the non us spec phaetons are expensive. I understand that bill.
Oh, but I was on the forums and my mechanic was a good indy. Knew the car inside and out. I just don't wrench myself as I don't really like doing it and I am really bad ad it. Also, Switzerland is very expensive.
Bought a Golf mk2 -87 for 500€. Drove it 70,000 km in 4 years, doing only yearly oil changes. Sold it for 700€. ...Damn I miss that car.
A lot of ( or most?) premium cars are built using parts which are similar quality (if not often the same items) as more basic models. A rubber hose on a Focus is made out of more or less the same constituent rubber as that of a McLaren. There are more parts to go wrong and the economies of scale mean that any unique part has to cost more.
Well done video. I had a Mercedes E300 and a similar experience. It was repair after repair, when the fuel system started to fail I sold it.
I like that car,, I sometimes think about getting one but let's be serious, it's not worth stressing out everytime you hear a bad sound because you know it's going to destroy your bank account if it needs to be repaird. After BMW and Audi, I now drive a Fiesta and it's so much fun knowing that even if you wreck the car, you're not loosing a lot of money.
Great video, but that lightening strike noise is really annoying...
This is exactly why you do not drive to a dealership for "service" .... A friends BMW in Sweden -> brakepads costs ~100 franks for all wheels, and are easy to change yourself. Dealership charges ~2000 franks.
I honestly believe they charge so much for servicing and parts to keep you down. A sat Navy installed at the factory costs about $10 but to buy a replacement is over $500.
Wait, so the VW dealer didn't know how to initialize the air suspension and you paid for they're incompetence? I think this is not normal. If they want to change an cabin air filter and they take 4 hours to find where it is located, you pay 4 hours of they're time?
If u can get pheaton, that was taken care of correctly as intended, it would cost that much, but u have to be meticulous with the maintenance on the car
Go buy a Lexus. Had a 1992 SC300 from 2012 to 2018. Ran the odometer from 60k to 100k miles. Not saying it was problem free, had to replace a window motor, clutch hydraulics, recharge the a/c, fuel pump, brakes all around, new shocks, new control arms, new power antenna. Still it was less than $2000 for all those repairs. Not bad for a 20+ year old daily driver. Only thing I didn't like was its drinking problem, 18mpg with high test fuel gets to be rather pricey.
Holy shit- I calculated my 1999 A8 D2 cost me $200 pm to own from 2006 to 2018 but this was a whole new level of hurt! I think your biggest problem was taking it to the dealership if you watched a few UA-cam videos you might be able to do some of the stuff yourself :-) My current ride 2012,Nissan Leaf has cost me approximately $76 over two years for windshield wipers :-) of course not comparing apples to apples here. And as you’ll see here in America the tubes comments are full of people going on about how the Toyota needed nothing but windshield wiper fluid over 20 years of ownership!
Most people pay way more than 200$/pm for their car. So that's cheap!
Oh that's awful, thanks for taking one for the team.
some mechanics say that it's a VW Passat fancy version with much bigger repair bills. :D
Yeah, man I feel you. I’ve owned a VW and an Audi and the brand is on my never again list. Years later I still have some residual VW ownership PTSD. Not anywhere as bad as your experience, but things broke on them that never break say on Japanese cars of same age. Felt like a scam. So glad that horrible company got caught and fined over the diesel cheating, it’s something
Had the Bentley Flying Spur W12 6.0 petrol.
Every time is drove it,
I cringed that it was a
Phaeton in disguised.
So I got the Phaeton
3.0 diesel.
Now I don't worry about parking & now I'm a common man.
Lol
Love it...
If you want headache free motoring, you just can't beat a Toyota
Land Cruiser. Only wear & tare in parts &
User luxury, but Swiss army knife in any situation. I still have a 25 year old Cruiser and still it impresses me very day.
@@onkarfreshie3127 How is the car, any common issues to look for, I am searching for a 3.0 TDI 2009 or up.
Insane.. i have the smallest cheapest car Peugeot 108.. i have drove 280.000km and the only things i have replaced is wheel bearings two times, and an ABS sensor.. and nothing else.. not even service by Peugeot .. oil. tires ect have i done myself..
A very good and honest review. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Same problems with 5.0 V10 in Austria.
You can buy a home for 10 years ownership.
This type of car are for two kind of people: rich people or DIY people. It's totally irrational own this type of car - for some reason they are not around anymore in new models. Nevertheless, is an interesting car. Very comfortable and mechanically interesting.
Can be a awesome car to own IF you can make all maintenance/repairs yourself. Otherwise, forget it.
I own a Golf GTI Edition30. All stock and partially cared by my self. Never saw a such reliable car! Besides service (+230k km +11 years), the only thing that broke was 1 thermostat and 1 injector. 1500.- and all done. Besides gasoline, I may pay more insurance than actual fees for service/repairs :P
Best regards from Wallis (VS)!
I have had 25 cars . The worst was the only Volkswagen product . A 2008 Passat. 2nd worst was a dodge intrepid. Best car was a 2015 Ford Taurus sho that went 160 thousand miles with no repairs. Just bought a 2019 rf Miata and expecting it to be trouble free . My 2010 Miata was trouble free but only kept it to 60 thousand miles.
Good friend of mine had a Golf R not long ago. He leased it & "certain" things where on warranty. Anyway, there where many things that broke down not long after. We tought it might've been bad luck, overall flaws & or something else because I didn't neglect his car nor was cheap with it. Really really expensive for what you've got. The best thing that happened to him was when he totalled the car & got a good amounth of money back.
And the shame is those gti cars are great to drive 200 hp seems plenty zippy and the interior is really nice . I test drove a new 2018 and was very impressed with the car. But driving 30 k a year I was not chancing it.
OMG, I was hearing that car was a money pit, but this is just insane ... thank you for taking the hit so we can know!
4:20 after spending so much and they didn't even notice upper control arm bushing that perished.. should change workshop
On the bright side, your trunk hinge looked cool, didn't it?
i thought was bad in owning a cars.. But you are even worst with loosing the money but when you like something there is no cost of it.. Although i have lost 20 000 pounds in the last 3 years buying wrong cars i dont regret.. :D
Aieeee! And I'm looking at a 2012 3.6v6 for $7000.
I'm not a rich man. I love the look of the car and the interior but I can do just $1000 repair every year.
This is not even enough to change the lights!
I still want it.
I don't think I will.
Ah.
Honestly, if you don't want to spend too much on repairs, I would recommend a Lexus LS. They are reliable and great cars as well.
@@swisscarguy thanks. Yeah..I found myself looking at a few after seeing your video. I'm not poor but you know - I can't throw money around. I love the Phaeton...you know what I mean? It pulls me. But. I started looking at Lexus. And maybe - you know - what's wrong with a 2015 Passat. Ah. This Phaeton is 2014, $7000. Thanks for the video though. I feel like my father sat me down and just said, I get the desire. But leave it, son.
@@shitsugane I have a 2012 Phaeton 3.0 V6 TDI bought in 2018 and no problems, normal oil changes, filters, changed the brake pads and gearbox oil, and diesel that's about it. If you stay away from the w12 it's the perfect car.
@@attiladume2772 i just - I feel so drawn to the car. Like Is like to own one before I die. Do you drive it everyday? What's that like?
@@shitsugane yes, I drive it every day. I live in Germany and the car is obviously it is a Diesel and normal driving it is not a race car, on the highway is a TANK. If you drive it like a luxury sedan super car, not an BMW M3 in the corners it is BIG and HEAVY mine is 2233 kg empty.
Yikes. I like the Phaeton for being cheap (now) and brilliantly luxurious even for the age but yeah won't be owning one of these any time soon.
Thanks for this upload. It gives information about labour cost in Switzerland and it is very expensive. I would personally try to do most service and jobs myself but since it is a complicated car some things are hard but wheel changes and general oil service should be possible to do. The Phaeton is an endless money pit, avoid it must be the best advice.
jojosthl just take a 3.0 v6 diesel
And bring it to germany to repair
Why are people who purchase a CHF 220,000 European car surprised/annoyed when it is expensive to repair and maintain? Service and repair prices don't depreciate with the car. Just because you bought the car used for 10% of its original price, doesn't mean the service and repairs costs are now magically 90% less.
220k Swiss francs for a new VW?! I bought a new VW Passat in 2017 for under 25k USD total. This has more to do with Switzerland and the cost of living there than anything it seems.
Thanks for this video. Important word to the wise.
OMG you deserve a hug. Thank you for the warning. I will never suggest this to anyone. You do "God's" work. I'm agnostic.
Do you remember that fatal car accident that Jörg Haider (the Austrian politician) was involved in driving his VW Phaeton? I wonder if this occurred because of poor or inadequate maintenance of the vehicle? Brake failure, suspension failure? Just saying .....
Hi, Good video but it sounds like Switzerland is a very expensive place to live, Question, when you say "service" what does that mean? What service could possibly cost over $3000.00? In total you gave a dealer almost $9000.00 for "service" ?? What could they possibly do to your car for that kind of money? Oil? I have had many cars over the years, many, many and I would never take a car to a dealer for a "service" That simply means take my money and give me nothing for it. Also brakes, I checked, I can buy after market rotors for a '05 Phaeton a bit over $100.00 each, complete front rotors, pads sensors, clips and whatever else is needed $350.00, so two hours or less at a shop and that $1500 brake service would be less than $500. Do it yourself if able and, well $350. I have no doubt this car is expensive to maintain but most of these costs are incurred from dealers stealing from you. A wiper motor $400 bucks, Upper control arms are less than $50 each and its 45 minutes to put them in so how did it cost $1500??? At the end of the day I see nothing that would cost any more than any other car really except for the shock but Mercedes and most other high end cars are pretty much the same. I have several luxury brand cars (Mercedes) and the only way to have these is to maintain yourself, you simply cannot take to the dealer for anything as they will bleed you dry because if it's an expensive car they will charge accordingly. In fact it sounds like Swiss dealers are as crooked as the Canadian ones.
Apart from the diagnostics, how on Earth would you self service a Phaeton? It sounds like just finding out what's wrong will cost you.
@@shitsugane Perhaps but no diagnostics needed for brakes, window regulator or most other stuff. My question is what could they possible do for the 9000 Swiss francs given to the dealer?
Switzerland is expensive and so are OEM parts. Sure, you can save by buying 3rd party but what quality will you get and how long will those parts last?
Hourly rates are between CHF 100.- at an indy in the middle of nowhere and can go well over CHF 200.- at a main dealer in an affluent area. A scheduled maintenance alone will easily take 2.5 hours and cost CHF 300.- in work alone.
By the way: upper control arms were CHF 786.24 (196.56 each), the 2 wiper assemblies (3D1 955 602 A and 3D1 955 601 A) were CHF 491.40.
There are different braking systems on the Phaeton W12 depending on region and specification. The EU spec W12 can have a larger brake than the US W12 (because of Germany and the higher speed you can drive there). Mine equipped with the larger 365mm 8-piston setup. All the cheap aftermarket rotors are for the smaller 360mm brake and are not compatible with the 365mm brake. So, no, to this day there are no cheap aftermarket rotors for the EU-spec Phaeton W12 with the 8-piston 365mm brake. Also, aftermarket rotors in Switzerland are only legal if they come with a certificate issued by a sanctioned body within Switzerland. That makes it even harder to go aftermarket.
@@swisscarguy All makes sense but 200 CHF @ 2.5 is 500 CHF. Still another 2500 CHF to account for. I'm not sure about over there but over here dealers will install aftermarket parts at the dealer level. Of course you will pay a fortune for them as anything at a dealer. The parts I use are aftermarket but generally are OEM quality or better. Just because your parts come from a dealer doesn't mean they are "the best available" because they simply are not. For example oil, You can buy VW oil at a dealer and pay 3-4 times more for the fancy grey and blue bottle. Is it the best oil? I seriously doubt it. VW puts out a tender for oil and will buy it from any third world supplier they can get it from for the cheapest price as long as it meets MINIMUM standards. Parts are the same, Auto manufacturers make more on selling over priced parts and servicing then they ever make on selling the car.
I have a MB CL500 from the year 2000, and yes , a money pit.
But i have also a guy, he knows a lot of the brand and helps me with cheap but stil good parts and cheap labour, thats the only way for normal people to own such cars, and by the way, its not my only car, i own a berlingo as a daly driver, the MB is there only for the fun, maybe 5000 km a year.
The most expensive cars are the cheap one
Sad story. I have simillar storys for you:
1. Saab turbox 2008 I got on his 3yo and 67k kilometers. As new 267700 PLN (Polish zloty), got that beast for 62000PLN. 3 years and 23% od msrp left 👌. Some say thats like new car. IT wasn't. As a Saab fan, at that time (young and stupid) 😂, I have 3 of them.
2. 2013 passat alltrack tdi240hp got on lease for 3 years... After two I've give away that ****** *******. Lights from engine, haldex, gearbox, like any seven weeks🤣🤣🤣
3. 2017 jeep Renegade 1.4 170hp 9gears its my Perfect ride for last almost 3 years. Nothing got wrong, works like at take away day 🤘
Thank you for this explanation. Sometimes I get a strange idea to buy one of those. I’ll
Stick with my old Saab.
Had the Bentley Flying Spur W12 6.0 petrol.
Every time is drove it,
I cringed that it was a
Phaeton in disguised.
So I got the Phaeton
3.0 diesel.
Now I don't worry about parking & now I'm a common man.
Lol
Love it...
If you want headache free motoring, you just can't beat a Toyota
Land Cruiser. Only wear & tare in parts &
User luxury, but Swiss army knife in any situation. I still have a 25 year old Cruiser and still it impresses me very day.
Had the Bentley Flying Spur W12 6.0 petrol.
Every time is drove it,
I cringed that it was a
Phaeton in disguised.
So I got the Phaeton
3.0 diesel.
Now I don't worry about parking & now I'm a common man.
Lol
Love it...
If you want headache free motoring, you just can't beat a Toyota
Land Cruiser. Only wear & tare in parts &
User luxury, but Swiss army knife in any situation. I still have a 25 year old Cruiser and still it impresses me very day.
''all and all it cost me, whaaaaaaat,that cannot be right''....................................know that one well, subscribed.
Got a 2009 E350 4MATIC rotting in the garage right now... transmission been giving me headaches
Horrid. Pretty expensive for a 'car of the people'.
So I guess the two happiest days with this car were: the day you bought it and the day you sold it.
Maybe the next owner will post a video too. :)
im moving to switzerland renting a bed sit and doing air conditioning from my bedsit ,and swapping tyres .
I have owned three older MB"s,a C,aD,and a S,all money pits.No I still haven't learned either,you might as well drive and enjoy whatrver you have,life is short,enjoy it!
Excellent assessment. presumably, another Phaeton, with a smaller Non Vee Engine, may be a lot cheaper to own and run.????
i bought passat 2004 highline for 2.500$ 1.9TDI and for one year i did like 60,000 killometers and all i spend is for oil change and fuel :D
I've had a V6 TDI for a year so far from 168000 km to 190000 km and the only service I've paid a mechanic for was an oil change. The biggest issue I encountered was a check engine light which turned out to be the P2020 error code and got quoted 500 Euro to have my intake manifold replaced, but found there is an easier fix for this with a 15€ part. Now one of my door locks is not working, but this is a common VW problem there are plenty of tutorials online on how to deal with it. My current impression is that if you go for one of the simpler engines, make sure to regular maintenance and do some DIY where you can, then it isn't the money sink it is made out to be.
Clearly, the previous owner didn't do maintenance and drove it into the ground. Many people converted the air suspension to coil spring for less cost and no reliability issues. I don't trust the repair facility that was doing the work on your car, either. A VW authorized repair facility should have actually fixed things without them needing more attention soon afterwards.
The car was meticulously maintained by the previous owner. It even was still under extended warranty when I bought it.
Wow. Mate come to Neu-Anspach Germany to Schneider and lauth. 6 hours for initialization crazy that's vws problem not yours
You don't need to be rich people of buying a used W12 phateon, but you DO need to be rich to maintain it.
That is some bullshit i own V8 Phaeton and i always go to independent mechanic:
timing belt, water pump, oil etc. - 600$
front shock absorber refurbished with 2 years warranty - 150$
low beam xenon bulbs - 100$
whole control arm kit (MAELE) - 700$
transmission fluid change - 400$ (original ZF oil)
oil change - 100$
wheel change - 20$
i have a v10 touareg and it costs me 10k$ a year of repairs ... after 60k km. 3 years later...
I feel you, brother. 😥
And I thought Swiss people were frugal and practical...
Why did they charge u for the 6.5 hours to diagnose the shock issue? That doesn’t add up to me.
In Switzerland they charge you for everything.
My GM Australian commodore has original rotors after 22 years and 250,000 km ..excuse me SCG ..are you a rapid stopper ...or are the brakes just sub standard.?
The brakes are actually quite beefy (365mm 2-piece ventilated Brembo with 4 pads on each rotor) but the car is very heavy at 2.5t empty. And if you brake it down from _higher_ speeds like 200kph on the German Autobahn, the rotors wear out quickly.
Warum hast du nicht die große Sachen in Deutschland repariert, Zürich ist doch nicht so weit von DE. Und in DE hätte dich vieles weniger gekostet?
You should have kept the car since you got it figured out. Also we could see what madness the car can cause.
Breaks 1400? You can buy them for around 100 euro
Really, can you provide a link where you can buy front discs and pads for a 2005 Phaeton W12 using the brake with part no. 1LC for 100 Euro?
Just search on www.ebay.de and let your parts shipped over. "bremsen" are brakes in german.
So fill in search "phaeton w12 2005 bremsen" will give you some search results and idication about the prices.
I used a lot parts from ebay , either used or new and always repair my cars that way. For example I bought a passat station 2 years ago for 700 euros and its still driving around 1.8 20vt engine, repair cost where 180 euro so far for a cv joint and control arm.... I would like to have a w8 in the future , still very nice cars to drive today while they're already 20 years old 😎
I can feel your pain reading those expenses. Luxury cars come at a luxury cost, that's why the wealthy get out of them fast. Then again, they get the depreciation hit...
There's is a reason prices of the '94 Celica's have risen alot.
Danke für den Erfahrungsaustausch!
14:04 In my opinion it just looks like an ordinary passat you can buy for $2000
So, you bought yourself a Phaeton and you chose a 2005 W12 model. 110,000 km on the watch and you have driven 70,000 km in 4 years. You chose the worst model of the worst year and in addition you have it serviced at VW. Do not complain. I am the proud owner of a Phaeton V6 TDI from 2009, which I bought a year ago full options. The new price was € 107,236.18. I bought it for 11900.00 € with 139980km on the odometer. The vehicle was twice in Dresden to be reconditioned and so far at 159000km, I have not had any costs apart from an inspection in an all brand garage. € 248.00 longlife drain and all filters, plus 80 control points. Nothing to report.
16:00 yes my older model Rolls Royce I had for 5 years. I was always worried about it breaking down and embarrassing me .Also very expensive running costs.
that attachment to the car. definitely you had to give it everything. more than enough... I do understand. no alone!
Would a V10 TDI have been cheaper?
When you go to VW dealership for a scheduled service and they have a band playing...
70 000 km and car eat like 20 wheels and 4000 $ worth of front light bulbs. 2000 € one shock absorber.
These must be the kind of cars they mention when complaining a new pedelec (e-bike) costs more than a used car.
I always wondered why i have never seen one single pheaton in my 30 years on the road...now i know why lol and yes,i had some money pits to,mainly when i was still driving anything german,BMW,Mercedes,Audi...they indeed suck you empty quicker then the worst golddigger...now i'm only sticking to lexus...learned my lesson,could have bought a seccond house for the maintenance on those super unreliable german cars...
Why include putting on winter and summer tires? You’d do that for any car.
Becuase it's called _total_ cost of ownership?
Swiss Car Guy True, that’s TCO. I thought that you were only reporting maintenance and repair cost. I don’t consider that different from any other car, so I didn’t see it as a reason to point it out. However, there is a difference in the price of oil changes and such. It’s like reporting how much you spent on car washes.
Holy smokes, that is expensive!
Wheel change 89 $. ? New wheel or?
realy nice car, but this madness project of Mr. Piech is not to own for anybody. My friend had the quite standard version 3.0 TDI V6 and after the first large service the cas went out ... I can imagine that in Switzerland especially this is not the idea car to have, at least from the service action point of view, the nightmare literarlly.