"The year is 20XX. Society has collapsed because of Coronavirus. All the planet is sick but so are Melee players who are now dominating with bottom tier characters on netplay."
@@natenatenate10the only advantage he has is down tilt Fsmash and down smash. His main weakness is he’s sorta slow. With bad fall speed. People just think roy is similar to marth when 1 his up B doesn’t get as high but can be a Ok recovery if used well. His up smash has amazing knock back being able to bring characters back onto the ground. His kit is just weaker than marth(especially his areals vs his grounded option). But if you play long enough he’s still fairly solid.)
To people who come from ultimate, Roy is pathetically weak in melee. Most of his attacks don't kill from center stage even at sudden death percent, and some of his attacks(most notably his horrible dash attack) don't do anything, earning his sword the nickname "the pool noodle", despite it being the literal best weapon in the entire fire emblem franchise
Yet i beated the Dutch champion when i was a kid with Roy against his Marth... I never cared about rankings, i cared about pure hard work and personal skill... I am now to old to be able to play like that, but trust me back in the day i never knew about ranks, what i did knew about was practicing non stop with friends and family... And i met the Dutch Champ in a kids adventure event in the Ahoy where i beated him in public.
@@tomsmithok It's actually buffed by it. It has better framedata and the hitboxes not lining up usually doesn't matter for Roy. Take it from any good Roy player (oh wait there's like none of them now lol)
@@KAIsibs ya pretty much this im not 100% shur on but iv heard that leaf from fe 5 and technically 4 was going to be there instead but sakurai with binding blade comeing up he chose to go with roy and completely miss judged roys charchter witch is why roy is so bad compared to marth he thought that roy was a lot more brash and agesive and brave he gets there in his game but thats not realy who roy as a character durring the story
"Roy isn't good, who decided that! I can't win a tournament with him, who decided that! I am the one, who gets to decide. CRUELL SUUNN!" - Zain, roasting people.
Zain's Roy is higher on the tier list than his current standing. It doesn't mean Roy is viable on paper but it does mean that he has tools and can perform at a higher level than anyone would have thought. You just have to be as good as Zain to make up for his weaknesses. I couldn't be happier, I'm a Roy main and always knew he could go further but I didn't think anyone would take on the challenge. Skilled Roy is more than a meme now ^^
@ NinoTheChosen - Ninjala Hype I don’t think you understand how bad Roy is. Unlike Ultimate low tiers where there moves actually work, most of Roy’s moves flat out don’t work and do what there supposed to do. Arguably the best player in the world right now has to play Roy to make him barely regionally viable. In any majors Roy isn’t viable and Marth under all circumstances will always be better
@@danielkim1349 Roy just gave all his jank to Marth in ultimate, lol. Ultimate's bottom tiers like DK or Marth don't even get advantage for hitting you successfully. They just straight up pop out of hitstun before your animation ends and you get combod for it. Their moves just don't work. And god damnit Marth, his kit has got to be the most irritating thing considering a working version of him exists in the game as Lucina. Tippers just don't do their goal of rewarding your spacing. He's just worse lucina, the only significant knockback increase he has IIRC is on Fsmash, everything else is like +1 knockback on tipper, and like -11 knockback on sourspot. Sourspot hitstun and KB is also hilariously irrelevant in fights. IIRC, Marth is the only character in Ultimate that has absolutely no competitive representation because no one wants to play him, he's that bad (though Covid may have played a role there, I forget when this statistic was labbed). I'm a firm believer that higher level play in Melee is more about your fundamental skill level, where as in Ultimate it revolves more around flowchart setups and MU specifics.
Guys today we have a CRAZY story today my dog actually ate his own shit that's right guys this is a crazy story he recently made a tweet basically kind of you know going into detail saying that pretty much he loved to eat shit and then Keemstar responded saying "I also eat my own shit" which is really interesting but what's crazy is that Keemstar now wants to do a boxing match WITH MY DOG, pretty much claiming that basically my dog is stepping on his territory, that's right guys this is super crazy it feels like everyone's getting into boxing matches with everyone nowadays, but that's it for our news today guys thanks for watching, peace.
I personally always thought that the lowest tier character have great potential but nobody has taken the time to sit down and try to find it or show it. When I saw Leffens’ MewTwo, I knew right then that someone could do the same with another character. Now look at Zain. Giving us solid proof that hard work on a low tier does in fact pay off. I’m not saying that you haven’t done so before I’m sure you have. But I would like to see more people like Zain impress us. That’s what I’d love to see.
I think the Melee players have to do another tier list because the metagame is still evolving, people descovery counters for different strategist and also people keep consistently practice and get better and better at Melee.
Just wanted to add this since I didn't see it mentioned in the video or comments. A few nights prior to this Rona Rumble, Zain played in an all-smurf netplay tournament where he played as Fox under the name DontTestMe. He ended up making it to grands from loser's side and would have to play BobbyBigBallz, who he streams with very often, and does money/sub matches, sometimes with Roy. He had a sub goal to switch to Roy and it was met. He ended up winning both sets against BBB and winning the tournament with Roy. Great achievement for sure, just wanted to add to the back story
Roy in Melee is an abomination. To sum up what (probably) happened during his development: They took Marth's Data, changed the Model, visuals and sound effects, then switched the hitboxes around, so that the tipper (but really the whole sword) is weaker, and THEN they slowed the attack animations down by 20% WITHOUT slowing down the actual hitbox framedata.
You're the best Juan. I love your content. Side note: I don't watch a lot of Ultimate, but you better believe anytime you upload a video of a new online run Im glued to my screen. Keep it up bro
I love watching Axe for this very reason. Wide range of potential on the lower tiers, but then doesnt disappoint on top tiers, and let's face it. He pioneered Pikachu to the tier he's in now. And you dont hear, "Oh Pikachu is just a poor man's Fox" anymore, because of Axe. Huge props to Zain, that Roy victory is a huge flex. Amazing!
Nice video, appreciate it HungryBox, I just think its more a "Zain" thing than a "Roy" thing. This shows a Very good player on a Very good day can have such an immaculate execution/mixups neutral that even with losing odds due to his character selection, he can still win.
Said wassup to you at Genesis 7 hbox 🎥 , your point @ 7:29 is how I always saw the game. Like i say, “Use every tool they have to their advantage” “Almost every move a character has is unique” I play Roy & Mewtwo, great video man. 👍🏽
It shows that Melee is actually pretty balanced even with all the crazy exploits and shit that happens. The fact that someone who while REAAAALLY skilled is able to use a low tier character and win a Regional with it means that the difference between characters is not as important as the skill of the player.
we might have another renaissance on our hands i think the problem with a lot of the low tiers is that because people have been calling them bad or so many years very few good or top players are putting in a whole lot of work with these older characters (learning the matchup is one thing, but zain has proven that even these low tiers have untapped potential) so it's definitely possible for these low tiers to rise up i wonder when we're gonna see most major tournaments where the top 8 are mostly low-mid tier
I think pichu could go on a huge run. Pichu is fast, has a chain grab, and a great recovery. I think the idea of pichu and his design is what scares people away.
dont forget that Pichu damages itself but yeah It would look even more impressive than a Roy. Also , Pichu slow walk (he walks slow but his feet are moving so fast , doing tiny tiny steps )XD XD XD XD XD XD THERE was this ONE TIME , my friend who is a Marth main, and I main Roy, so he gives me a chance by going into his lowtiers(Bowser ,Pichu, Dk, etc..) and I really liked to beat his Pichu, but this ONE TIME !!! AHAHAHAHAH ON YOSHI STORY !!! after he got a stock, instead of taunting me, he just walked slowly with his pichu, and i dont why but WE LAUGHED WAY TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH that tiny walk was sooooo AHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAH sorry
Ginger has won MI tournaments with kirby. Got to see one in person vs Heartstrings (borderline top 100 level shiek). Not all that close to this tournament's level of competition though.
I agree, anybody can have the potential to reinvent any of those characters with enough loyalty and love and dedication and maybe some few other things any of these characters can change and adapt to the current game style.
That actually checks out, like Yoshi and Pikachu only started being placed higher on the tier list once Amsa and Axe showed they could consistently compete with the gods
This video sounds like he's talking to an ultimate audience, due to him talking ab the significance of marth and roy in melee. This makes me worried that he'll only do, or MOSTLY do ult videos on his yt
Wasn't jigglypuff also considered garbage until hbox picked her up? What's the suprise? If a player gets good enough at overcoming a character weak points and abusing is strong ones than most characters will be able to shine higher than people would give them credit. It's just that is extremely hard and some characters without an actual decent strong suit would pretty much require a machine to win tournaments with them (by abusing the specific numbers that some abilities might have to judge perfectly the frames required and if it can throw off the stage) but it is always possible to make a low tier character look good and most don't even need a machine to go into the specifics numbers, just a player with enough experience and aware of the character strong suit
The Bar obviously... With all that ruckus /hype, the bar became LIT AF !!! DOOD !!! THE BAR IS THE ONLY ONE ALIVE !!! WHOEVER DECIDES TO LEAVE THE BAR just enters the blastzone anyway so GGs !! NUMBER ONE BAR NONE
With the success of Zain's Roy in a regional tournament, I'm curious to see if other low tier characters will have the same potential/success like with Zain's Roy. I'm also curious if Japan (or other countries) have a different tier list compared to ours (for this game specifically), since I know tier lists for other fighting games are different in other states/countries.
loved this video Hbox-- this sort of thing is so exciting, indeed. this is an amazing thing about melee. if you look at the top 100, axe is the only pikachu. amsa is the only yoshi. you stand alone with puff atop the mpgr with the next best puff 34 spot further down. nobody knew puff was great until you and mango proved it. who knows indeed. imagine a future where the low tiers have been made viable....
no, unfortunately. Bottom and low tiers in melee are just that bad. Game and watch possibly would have made it to high tier if he could l cancel all his moves and had a better shield. There's a rumor that game and watch was a last minute addition to melee and due to coding, was possibly the reason why he could not l cancel all his attacks and had a bad shield.
I dont think roy will climb the tier list. The fact that he had to win neutral 9 times to match Falco's 1 just shows that Roy is still trash. This is Zian flexing, not him claiming Roy is good.
I think Zain’s win could also highlight the skill differences of the people in PR, that there is enough of a difference from people who are ranked top 10 vs someone who is top 30
Banned wobble IC are seriously underdeveloped. I understand that wobbling is just the easy way, but damn the combos look way more impressive with the ban. I think they have potential
In a way, being low on a tier list actually helps the character a lot. people practice against good low tier characters very rarely. Yes Zain was incredible for winning with Roy, but with enough practice, people get use to playing against roy, learn how to DI and then he will actually settle in his proper place on the tier list.
There's a big difference between the "Wifi" on Smash Ultimate online via Nintendo's servers and Smash Melee via netplay on PC. Melee online is much closer to LAN.
"Well maybe I dont want to be bad anymore"
8 man invitational. Mang0 Mario. Hbox Ness. Zain Roy. Leffen mewtwo. Axe Young link. M2k Pichu. Rishi DK. DJ Nintendo Bowser.
Can’t forget the Armada Kirby/ G&W
No wizzrobe?
PewPewU's DK is better
Axe Young Link will clap
What about Shroomed Dr Mario?
Obligatory "A skilled Roy can beat any Fox" comment flowing by here.
Ness in pajamas Lol funny name.
A skilled Roy can beat netplay Falco
@@queuedjar4578 bet you offline too. Just because it never happened doesn't mean it can't at all.
Prophecy fulfilled
@@ohjonny95 Yo I love roy and I agree with the holy roy prophecy, just pointing out netplay falco is op
Finally, a skilled Roy.
Sethlon?
roy is the boi
"The year is 20XX. Society has collapsed because of Coronavirus. All the planet is sick but so are Melee players who are now dominating with bottom tier characters on netplay."
Hollywood wouldn't be struggling if they kept up with Melee since its inception. The Arcs of this game is wild.
Lmao great comment
Plot twist: Coronavirus is actually Sigma virus...
LOL
Roy:
a neutral-based charcter
with no advantages in neutral against most characters
in a game where combos are king
exactly like having an elite sniper and giving him a watergun
@@stremstrem3632 And then telling him to defend against Germany in WW2
@@Godspamit I swear he's swinging a butter knife or a nail filer
@@natenatenate10the only advantage he has is down tilt Fsmash and down smash.
His main weakness is he’s sorta slow. With bad fall speed. People just think roy is similar to marth when 1 his up B doesn’t get as high but can be a Ok recovery if used well.
His up smash has amazing knock back being able to bring characters back onto the ground. His kit is just weaker than marth(especially his areals vs his grounded option). But if you play long enough he’s still fairly solid.)
Imagine how op he would be with Marth.
JAJAAJA
Damn bro,Can only imagine.
you dont have to imagine, marth is his main, just go check out some of his sets
Prism probably the joke he was making.
@@prism3367 I'm not r/wooooshing you out of kindness
To people who come from ultimate, Roy is pathetically weak in melee. Most of his attacks don't kill from center stage even at sudden death percent, and some of his attacks(most notably his horrible dash attack) don't do anything, earning his sword the nickname "the pool noodle", despite it being the literal best weapon in the entire fire emblem franchise
Yet i beated the Dutch champion when i was a kid with Roy against his Marth... I never cared about rankings, i cared about pure hard work and personal skill... I am now to old to be able to play like that, but trust me back in the day i never knew about ranks, what i did knew about was practicing non stop with friends and family... And i met the Dutch Champ in a kids adventure event in the Ahoy where i beated him in public.
@@sefewet no you didn't
Hey, Roy DA isn't that bad, it was just poorly programmed...
@@rosheafanit’s bad because it’s poorly programmed
@@tomsmithok It's actually buffed by it. It has better framedata and the hitboxes not lining up usually doesn't matter for Roy.
Take it from any good Roy player (oh wait there's like none of them now lol)
I thought you just played Roy to hear him go "BONK" when he gets hit.
Me and my brothers always joked about Roy honking like a goose
WHY DOES HE DO THAT
Marth’s always sounded like he moaning or some shit. “EUAH”
The only thing I can think of is “a skilled Roy can beat any Fox”
"A skilled roy can beat any fox"
ROY, ROY, HE'S OUR BOY
Its time for Hbox's ness to shine on netplay
meme burgler I wanna see bumblebee ness again
The fact that Ness is glitchy and broken af will make HBox hated even more in melee than his melee puff
I forgot Roy was in Melee till this happened...
Fun fact roy was in melee before binding blade came out
Nathan Keel Would that be promoting people to play his game?
@@KAIsibs ya pretty much this im not 100% shur on but iv heard that leaf from fe 5 and technically 4 was going to be there instead but sakurai with binding blade comeing up he chose to go with roy and completely miss judged roys charchter witch is why roy is so bad compared to marth he thought that roy was a lot more brash and agesive and brave he gets there in his game but thats not realy who roy as a character durring the story
@@KAIsibs Sakurai just wanted to have another FE Character in the game. So he put the newest one in the game.
Oh I thought the only character in Melee was Fox
The skilled Roy has finally been found...
According to AsumSaus is now Roy = viable confirmed.
I don’t think AsumSaus said Roy was viable, I think his final viable list only had 11 characters on it (and not Roy)
@@spoopdawhoop oops edit
@@YitzharVered Ah I get it now lol
Well yes but actually no
He said that if a character is able to win a major or supermajor
This is was a online regional so no
ROY IS STILL NOT VIABLE
I swear if a bowser wins a super major and then AsumSaus will call Bowser viable, imma go alt + f4 irl
“A skilled Roy can beat any Fox”
Is he the chosen one?
The choZain one
Heinrich Dubloon YESSIR
So M2K's Pichu, Leffen's Mewtwo and now Zain's Roy? I wonder who's next. Hbox's Ness or Mango's Mario?
Don't forget armada game and watch
I wanna see Bowser lol
@@ameersher I thought Armada's low tier was Kirby
there's also Axe's swag bracket young link
@@Flamerunner451 he has both
"Roy isn't good, who decided that! I can't win a tournament with him, who decided that! I am the one, who gets to decide. CRUELL SUUNN!" - Zain, roasting people.
Zain's Roy is higher on the tier list than his current standing. It doesn't mean Roy is viable on paper but it does mean that he has tools and can perform at a higher level than anyone would have thought. You just have to be as good as Zain to make up for his weaknesses.
I couldn't be happier, I'm a Roy main and always knew he could go further but I didn't think anyone would take on the challenge. Skilled Roy is more than a meme now ^^
I mean he is viable of you're good with him and people play as him more.
@ NinoTheChosen - Ninjala Hype
I don’t think you understand how bad Roy is. Unlike Ultimate low tiers where there moves actually work, most of Roy’s moves flat out don’t work and do what there supposed to do. Arguably the best player in the world right now has to play Roy to make him barely regionally viable. In any majors Roy isn’t viable and Marth under all circumstances will always be better
@@danielkim1349 Oh alright I understand.
Retired Roy main checking in, this has made my week as well!
@@danielkim1349 Roy just gave all his jank to Marth in ultimate, lol. Ultimate's bottom tiers like DK or Marth don't even get advantage for hitting you successfully. They just straight up pop out of hitstun before your animation ends and you get combod for it. Their moves just don't work.
And god damnit Marth, his kit has got to be the most irritating thing considering a working version of him exists in the game as Lucina. Tippers just don't do their goal of rewarding your spacing. He's just worse lucina, the only significant knockback increase he has IIRC is on Fsmash, everything else is like +1 knockback on tipper, and like -11 knockback on sourspot. Sourspot hitstun and KB is also hilariously irrelevant in fights. IIRC, Marth is the only character in Ultimate that has absolutely no competitive representation because no one wants to play him, he's that bad (though Covid may have played a role there, I forget when this statistic was labbed).
I'm a firm believer that higher level play in Melee is more about your fundamental skill level, where as in Ultimate it revolves more around flowchart setups and MU specifics.
I really like this new melee community. The respect hbox has for zain is really great to hear
me: What is hungry box talking about, winning an ultimate tournament with roy surely cant be that bad...... _Oh its Melee Roy_
Zero: Starts doing really well with one of the worst Ultimate characters.
Zain: Wow that's a pretty cool trick
"What's up guys" at the beginning.
Hbox = Scarce confirmed
The *Scarce* of smash
Guys today we have a CRAZY story today my dog actually ate his own shit that's right guys this is a crazy story he recently made a tweet basically kind of you know going into detail saying that pretty much he loved to eat shit and then Keemstar responded saying "I also eat my own shit" which is really interesting but what's crazy is that Keemstar now wants to do a boxing match WITH MY DOG, pretty much claiming that basically my dog is stepping on his territory, that's right guys this is super crazy it feels like everyone's getting into boxing matches with everyone nowadays, but that's it for our news today guys thanks for watching, peace.
Should We BAN ROY?!
.5 difficulty character.
"So what conclusion can we draw from this?"
*Zane's sick*
I personally always thought that the lowest tier character have great potential but nobody has taken the time to sit down and try to find it or show it. When I saw Leffens’ MewTwo, I knew right then that someone could do the same with another character. Now look at Zain. Giving us solid proof that hard work on a low tier does in fact pay off. I’m not saying that you haven’t done so before I’m sure you have. But I would like to see more people like Zain impress us. That’s what I’d love to see.
Yeah. Amsa and Axe have basically been single-handedly pushing their mains.
He did puff was consider shit people seem to forget that
Melee still has infinite awesome possibilities in combat to this day!
I think the Melee players have to do another tier list because the metagame is still evolving, people descovery counters for different strategist and also people keep consistently practice and get better and better at Melee.
I like the idea that melee still has a lot of movement among tiers
Love hearing you talk about Melee so much
HBox's Ness vs Zain's Roy.
Make it Happen
i think leffen should push more with mewtwo, one of the sickest characters i've seen played well
Dang roy out here winning tournaments all online tournaments from ultimate to melee.
Who here was part of the late night hype train last night?
me
Dontestme for MPGR 2020 Online.
This is exactly why I'd want to see a low tier tournament. I always love it when Leffen goes Mewtwo or Axe goes Young Link
They do happen unfortunately the pros don't enter cuz they don't get clout or $
Now I'm waiting for a Link main to win a tournament
Thank you Hbox for highlighting how impressive this feat actually is. I'm surprised people are trying to downplay this.
Ikr so that could mean ganon or fucking dk could actually do this if not better than this if the player was good enough.
Just wanted to add this since I didn't see it mentioned in the video or comments. A few nights prior to this Rona Rumble, Zain played in an all-smurf netplay tournament where he played as Fox under the name DontTestMe. He ended up making it to grands from loser's side and would have to play BobbyBigBallz, who he streams with very often, and does money/sub matches, sometimes with Roy. He had a sub goal to switch to Roy and it was met. He ended up winning both sets against BBB and winning the tournament with Roy. Great achievement for sure, just wanted to add to the back story
Damn dude, for how hard it is for me to enjoy your playstyle i can see you glow when talking about this game. Respect.
Good on him. Zain's always been pretty decent, and this makes me appreciate his play even more.
Really glad you are making more melee content it’s by far my favorite smash game
Roy in Melee is an abomination. To sum up what (probably) happened during his development: They took Marth's Data, changed the Model, visuals and sound effects, then switched the hitboxes around, so that the tipper (but really the whole sword) is weaker, and THEN they slowed the attack animations down by 20% WITHOUT slowing down the actual hitbox framedata.
You're the best Juan. I love your content. Side note: I don't watch a lot of Ultimate, but you better believe anytime you upload a video of a new online run Im glued to my screen. Keep it up bro
Can't wait to see Kirby win Genesis next year XD
I love watching Axe for this very reason. Wide range of potential on the lower tiers, but then doesnt disappoint on top tiers, and let's face it. He pioneered Pikachu to the tier he's in now. And you dont hear, "Oh Pikachu is just a poor man's Fox" anymore, because of Axe.
Huge props to Zain, that Roy victory is a huge flex. Amazing!
Nice video, appreciate it HungryBox, I just think its more a "Zain" thing than a "Roy" thing. This shows a Very good player on a Very good day can have such an immaculate execution/mixups neutral that even with losing odds due to his character selection, he can still win.
Said wassup to you at Genesis 7 hbox 🎥 , your point @ 7:29 is how I always saw the game. Like i say, “Use every tool they have to their advantage” “Almost every move a character has is unique” I play Roy & Mewtwo, great video man. 👍🏽
A skilled Zain can beat any Fox.
It shows that Melee is actually pretty balanced even with all the crazy exploits and shit that happens. The fact that someone who while REAAAALLY skilled is able to use a low tier character and win a Regional with it means that the difference between characters is not as important as the skill of the player.
we might have another renaissance on our hands
i think the problem with a lot of the low tiers is that because people have been calling them bad or so many years very few good or top players are putting in a whole lot of work with these older characters (learning the matchup is one thing, but zain has proven that even these low tiers have untapped potential) so it's definitely possible for these low tiers to rise up
i wonder when we're gonna see most major tournaments where the top 8 are mostly low-mid tier
I think pichu could go on a huge run. Pichu is fast, has a chain grab, and a great recovery. I think the idea of pichu and his design is what scares people away.
dont forget that Pichu damages itself but yeah It would look even more impressive than a Roy. Also , Pichu slow walk (he walks slow but his feet are moving so fast , doing tiny tiny steps )XD XD XD XD XD XD THERE was this ONE TIME , my friend who is a Marth main, and I main Roy, so he gives me a chance by going into his lowtiers(Bowser ,Pichu, Dk, etc..) and I really liked to beat his Pichu, but this ONE TIME !!! AHAHAHAHAH ON YOSHI STORY !!! after he got a stock, instead of taunting me, he just walked slowly with his pichu, and i dont why but WE LAUGHED WAY TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH that tiny walk was sooooo AHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAH sorry
Perhaps this will inspire the return of Genghis Juan...
Here it is!
Sick Melee happens !
The Melee cycle is repeating!
Its kinda funny to see Hungrybox explain melee mechanics to newcomers.
Smash Ultimate. Algebra.
Smash Melee. Quantum physics.
When someone wins with Kirby I think I'll have seen everything
Didn;t Chudat already do this years ago?
@@Memicchu PM =/= Melee
Ginger has won MI tournaments with kirby. Got to see one in person vs Heartstrings (borderline top 100 level shiek). Not all that close to this tournament's level of competition though.
Alexander Bateman Nobody mentioned PM. I'm pretty sure he placed first using Kirby back when
@Hungrybox Congrats on the 2nd place in Smash Station yesterday! That stream was LEGENDARY
Loved this! I would really enjoy seeing you two play while Zain discusses playing with Roy
I agree, anybody can have the potential to reinvent any of those characters with enough loyalty and love and dedication and maybe some few other things any of these characters can change and adapt to the current game style.
Tbf, I think the tier list for top Melee is what is viable against the Gods and gatekeepers.
That actually checks out, like Yoshi and Pikachu only started being placed higher on the tier list once Amsa and Axe showed they could consistently compete with the gods
I'm rewatching this video and man he got a lot of bags. This man hasnt slept for like 2 years.
This video sounds like he's talking to an ultimate audience, due to him talking ab the significance of marth and roy in melee. This makes me worried that he'll only do, or MOSTLY do ult videos on his yt
Because maybe that's exactly what his audience is?
dday sixfourfour well his audience isnt JUST ultimate. Granted mayve most of his audience is, but im sure there are fans from the melee scene
Wasn't jigglypuff also considered garbage until hbox picked her up? What's the suprise? If a player gets good enough at overcoming a character weak points and abusing is strong ones than most characters will be able to shine higher than people would give them credit. It's just that is extremely hard and some characters without an actual decent strong suit would pretty much require a machine to win tournaments with them (by abusing the specific numbers that some abilities might have to judge perfectly the frames required and if it can throw off the stage) but it is always possible to make a low tier character look good and most don't even need a machine to go into the specifics numbers, just a player with enough experience and aware of the character strong suit
No. Hbox was not even the first rank 1 player to main puff, Mang0 was. Also Mang0 wasn't even the first person to discover Puff was top tier either.
If Zain can win a regional with Roy, I wouldn't be surprised if Hbox can win a regional with Kirby
That would be dope!
This inspires me to win a tourney using only popo
All it takes is for one highly proficient representative to change opinions. Yoshi used to be considered bottom tier, now look at amsa
12:02 "Who's the best bottom tier player?"
ChuDat's Kirby. All of its matches are memorable.
So Zain’s Roy, Leffen’s Mewtwo, and Scorpion Master all walk into a bar,
*Who leaves alive?*
The Bar obviously... With all that ruckus /hype, the bar became LIT AF !!! DOOD !!! THE BAR IS THE ONLY ONE ALIVE !!! WHOEVER DECIDES TO LEAVE THE BAR just enters the blastzone anyway so GGs !! NUMBER ONE BAR NONE
roy’s definitely our boy
A skilled Roy is our boy~George Washington
11:23 HYPEEEEE
It would be interesting to have a bottom 10 only WiFi tournament, I’m seeing there’s some whacky tourneys at the moment!
I though it would be a ultimate video about a player playing as roy, the koppaling
But zain is a melee player
Dad well done
That’s something Zero would have done, HBOX doesn’t clickbait THAT hard
HECK YEAH, I'm a diehard roy main this gives me the best inspiration to keep going. Low tiers are SICK
Loved the style of this video
With the success of Zain's Roy in a regional tournament, I'm curious to see if other low tier characters will have the same potential/success like with Zain's Roy.
I'm also curious if Japan (or other countries) have a different tier list compared to ours (for this game specifically), since I know tier lists for other fighting games are different in other states/countries.
*"Roy's our boy"*
loved this video Hbox-- this sort of thing is so exciting, indeed. this is an amazing thing about melee. if you look at the top 100, axe is the only pikachu. amsa is the only yoshi. you stand alone with puff atop the mpgr with the next best puff 34 spot further down.
nobody knew puff was great until you and mango proved it. who knows indeed. imagine a future where the low tiers have been made viable....
no, unfortunately. Bottom and low tiers in melee are just that bad. Game and watch possibly would have made it to high tier if he could l cancel all his moves and had a better shield. There's a rumor that game and watch was a last minute addition to melee and due to coding, was possibly the reason why he could not l cancel all his attacks and had a bad shield.
We'll get those dittos at some point after this stuff is all done with and it'll be great fun regardless of who wins.
“A skilled Roy can kill any Fox”
Here’s to Roy hopefully climbing up the tier list!
I dont think roy will climb the tier list. The fact that he had to win neutral 9 times to match Falco's 1 just shows that Roy is still trash. This is Zian flexing, not him claiming Roy is good.
I half thought in the end when you said "and remember guys" you were gonna say "stay hungry"
"Ginger second only to mango and maybe one other person" Lol the disrespect get wrecked Westballz
And to PPMD
Wait, was there a single cut in this whole video? Cause if not damn thats impressive.
Mango also took games off Armadas peach with Mario
I think Zain’s win could also highlight the skill differences of the people in PR, that there is enough of a difference from people who are ranked top 10 vs someone who is top 30
Banned wobble IC are seriously underdeveloped. I understand that wobbling is just the easy way, but damn the combos look way more impressive with the ban. I think they have potential
Honestly it's the same with any other bottom tier. Roy is still bottom five; it just that bottom five is not necessarily unplayable, just half viable
next years low tier city is gonna be an actual low tier city
This is it! Vindication for maining Roy in Melee and Project M!
In a way, being low on a tier list actually helps the character a lot. people practice against good low tier characters very rarely. Yes Zain was incredible for winning with Roy, but with enough practice, people get use to playing against roy, learn how to DI and then he will actually settle in his proper place on the tier list.
i was about to make a comment about how HBox can't say "bobby big balls" but then i tried saying it as fast as he was and now i can empathize
11:27 yessir
THE STREAM LAST NIGHT WAS AMAZING HEART EMOJI
There's a big difference between the "Wifi" on Smash Ultimate online via Nintendo's servers and Smash Melee via netplay on PC. Melee online is much closer to LAN.
Doesn't Axe still have Zain's number?
So crazy how this game is still getting upsets 19 years later
Zain is amazing! I remember watching him when he went to xanadu his growth inspiring
Remember kids, Low tier doesn't mean bad it means effort.
now we just need zain to pull up with bowser