What is Flyback Voltage and Back EMF

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  • @nathanieljames7462
    @nathanieljames7462 10 місяців тому +2

    Is it fair to say that flyback voltage is a form of back EMF then? Back EMF being the greater domain?

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому +5

      Well there are similarities in that they are both a form of induction. And lenzs law effects both. But there are 2 main differences between them.
      1. The Back EMF as I described occurs at the same time as the EMF you apply from the power source. Whereas the Flyback voltage occurs when the switch is off, and therefor is on its own at that point.
      2. The Back EMF is only ever equal to or less than the applied voltage, but the Flyback voltage can be hundreds of volts greater that the supply voltage.

    • @nathanieljames7462
      @nathanieljames7462 10 місяців тому +2

      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain Thanks!

  • @taiwosanyaolu8276
    @taiwosanyaolu8276 10 місяців тому +2

    As someone who have been observing Flyback and back emf for some time..
    I can say that your explanation of the Flyback is correct but I have a different view of the transformer's back emf.
    We all know that the backemf helps to regulate the current in the inductor, when the back emf is equal to the applied voltage this reduces the current in the inductor, this also applies to the primary windings of the transformer. But immediately the transformer secondary is loaded, the current in the secondary cancel's the backemf of the primary which in turn causes the primary to draw more current
    Because the back emf of the primary is no longer equals to the applied voltage.
    The main difference between Flyback and back emf is that Flyback occurs when the current flow in an inductor is suddenly interrupted while back emf occurs when there's a change in Flux
    Back emf increases as frequency increases to the point where current is low.
    while flyback increases as frequency decreases to the point where current is high.

  • @louco2
    @louco2 Місяць тому

    This video is Gold! Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.

  • @ElectroRestore
    @ElectroRestore Рік тому +5

    Very well done! Your distinction between flyback and back EMF (collapsing magnetic field inducing a voltage in a coil that is in the reverse direction) is correct! The electromechanical logic is simple to understand in backflow, when you consider that the north and south magnetic poles are pushed up in one direction by the current when created. And, like a child pushed up on a park swing falls backward by gravity, so too the magnetic field collapses back in the opposite direction when the voltage is removed!

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому +4

      Thanks. Yes you right about the analogy between Electromagnetism and Newtonian Mechanics. In fact the analogy goes even further since the equations of Electromagnetism were based on those of Newtonian Mechanics. Perhaps this would make a interesting subject for a future video, thanks for the idea.

    • @humbuccaneer84
      @humbuccaneer84 11 місяців тому

      Ed leedskalnins... pmh.

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 11 місяців тому +1

    This is a very interesting video. I appreciate the explanation of why a primary coil in a transformer conducts more current when the secondary is allowed to pass current... and that current flow in the 2nd coil causes a reduction in the inductance. Thanks for that perspective.

  • @willi80636
    @willi80636 Рік тому +5

    Very well explained, this video was definitely worth watching 👍🏼

  • @nathanieljames7462
    @nathanieljames7462 10 місяців тому

    Really wanted you to zoom in on the snubbed flyback voltage for comparison sake. Science and all.
    Loving you explaination thus far. Understanding the distiction between these forces is a critical component of the mastery process. Thanks for sharing and do so clearly and simply!

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому

      thanks. Yeah its a early video. I am still learning how to make good videos.

    • @nathanieljames7462
      @nathanieljames7462 10 місяців тому

      This video is great!! I really enjoy it!
      Do you use a storyboard?

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому +1

      No, I dont use a storyboard. what is a storyboard?
      Getting back to your earlier question about zooming in to the snubbed voltage, as I recall the spike went from 400v without a snub to approx 5v with the snubber.

    • @nathanieljames7462
      @nathanieljames7462 10 місяців тому

      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain Thanks for the replies! Storyboard is just a kind of scene by scene layout of how you want your video to go. Kind of like a script for the video portion of the production. I don't use either but I haven't found the inspiration to do much more than upload a single take and maybe edit in a picture of the circuit quickly but it seems storyboarding and scripting are common practices amongst content creators. You're very well spoken, clear and concise. No ums and uhs. Very good stuff!

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому +2

      Thanks. Well I do practice what I am going to say beforehand ofcourse. Otherwise I would ramble like anyone else. That skill comes from giving scientific presentations. And being clear and concise, that comes from writing scientific papers.@@nathanieljames7462

  • @rikardlalic7275
    @rikardlalic7275 11 місяців тому +1

    Great explanations, thank you.

  • @ionix2000
    @ionix2000 Рік тому

    Well done video. Showing the schematic quickly could make it more easy to follow.

  • @Greg_Chase
    @Greg_Chase 11 місяців тому +1

    Consider this:
    1) layers of thin aluminum sheet, each layer of metal separated by an insulation layer, in a horizontal orientation
    2) vertical magnetic field up through the center of the stack of metal/insulator/metal/etc layers
    3) 'eddy current' inducing coils positioned horizontally and radially to the metal/insulator layers
    4) supply an RF frequency to the eddy current coils
    RESULT
    Right hand rule: vertical B field, horizontal RF current (E), in the metal. This E x B gives the Lorentz force, which coherently accelerates (oscillates) the charged particles in the metal
    It is known as a "Lorentz disk" and is the first device built by artificial gravity hobbyists.
    'Upgrades' include:
    1) circular planform (disk) for the metal/insulators stack
    2) adjusting the size of the disk and RF frequency to create resonance/standing waves of the RF across the disk
    3) working at increasing the Q factor (ie. increasing the build-up of amplitude at the peaks, aka the 'anti-nodes', in the standing waves on the device)
    This first device can be driven by a simple signal generator, a home-made RF amp to boost the siggen output, and store-bought aluminum foil. If you use storebought foil, its thickness lends itself to a 'skin depth' that insinuates an RF frequency of about 16.28Mhz, easily in the range of low-end siggens
    Next is learning to attach a 'floating' or a DC potential bottom plate so that the effect is unbalanced (a balanced artgrav field yields no motion, just like two equally-matched teams in a rope-pull contest)
    .

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  11 місяців тому +1

      Well, I understand that there are some people who believe that a local and partial cancelling of the earths gravitational field can be achieved by combining high voltage (to cause a partial plasma) with a rotating magnetic field. Then one is into the realm of plasma physics and magnetohydrodynamics. The idea takes Einsteins Equivalence Principle, and takes it one step further to say that the force from gravity is not simply equivalent to inertia, but that they are actually the SAME! Then somehow combining fields as i described creates a shield from inertia (gravity) allowing flight. As for the engineering of the whole thing its too complicated for text messages i think.
      ua-cam.com/video/1JeeaZlYonc/v-deo.html

  • @decem_unosquattro9538
    @decem_unosquattro9538 Рік тому +2

    Wow ! A very good explanation with a beautiful English speaking voice. 🤔😀👍

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому +1

      Thanks, actually my accent is considered one of the worst in England by British people, lol.

    • @decem_unosquattro9538
      @decem_unosquattro9538 Рік тому

      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain **giggle** :D Well put it this way. In Australia it is much worse from the laymen of society. 😅
      I can hear and understand you perfectly whereas often I listen to people and I walk away with essentially nothing.
      I often watch yt videos and your average American seems to waffle on about things that are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
      You get to the end and realise it's just fluff.
      They haven't contributed anything.
      Often I'll watch a video the first 2 minutes is advertising, the next 2 or 3 minutes is their wacky intro, then the substance of the video, then more ads, then "oh it's a beautiful day outside, 2 minutes on un-packing, then another 2 ads, then lots of rhetoric then finally the a hand shoved in your face and blackness. 😆
      I mean it's almost as bad as my own videos. 😆
      One is left thinking what was all that about?
      Oh it's just a click bait video. 😅
      Okay, it's not quite as bad as that.
      I may have exaggerated just a little.
      You get my meaning right?

    • @ConzKlips
      @ConzKlips Рік тому

      ⁠@@ElectricMonkeyBrain Brummie like me? Great vid. Subbed 👌🏽❤️

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому +1

      ha ha, yeah thats right i'm a brummie. Thanks for the comment and sub@@ConzKlips

  • @wa4aos
    @wa4aos 11 місяців тому

    Good explanation and two larges bananas for you Chump !!

  • @Janktzoni
    @Janktzoni Рік тому

    Thank you! Good and clear explanation. Good demo which is very helpful to understand the context. With just a bit of theory. And all that in 10 minutes only. Perfect 🤗. Its a pity there is only one like button...

  • @SergiuCosminViorel
    @SergiuCosminViorel 11 місяців тому

    Thank you! I wanted to see these, as i suspected it must be, but i do not have an oscilloscope. You did it for me :)

  • @overunityinventor
    @overunityinventor 11 місяців тому +1

    Why did the voltage reduce from 400v to just 20v in the case of flyback when resistor is connected? Did u connect a very high value resistor? What was the value of your resistor?

  • @alimawali1443
    @alimawali1443 11 місяців тому

    Thanks indeed for your great information.

  • @VorpalForceField
    @VorpalForceField 11 місяців тому

    Nice Example .. Thank You for sharing .. Cheers :)

  • @watson946
    @watson946 Рік тому

    Great demo, thanks for that. The emf part of the demo is utilised in eddy current flaw detection in ndt and able to detect surface cracks in conductors through non conductive coatings. The secondary is the subject material in the ndt case though.

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому +1

      That's quite interesting. Amazing what they can do these days.

    • @RexxSchneider
      @RexxSchneider Рік тому

      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain Not just these days. I worked on NDT by eddy current measurement in 1972 - my first job out of university.
      The simplest test gear used a bridge arrangement with two coils powered at 50Hz (mains frequency). One coil held a sample of a correctly annealed brake lever for motorcycles and the other had a conveyor belt that passed through it where the levers to be checked travelled. If the bridge came out of balance by more than a certain amount in one direction or the other, it triggered a solenoid that moved an arm which deflected the errant component off the main belt into one of two reject bins. The levers that were too hard would be likely to fracture and snap and those that were too soft would be likely to bend.
      The most complicated NDT equipment we made was for use in a steel mill where a continuous length of red-hot steel bar was made to pass through a large coil where we injected a low frequency (probably 50Hz) and a synchronised high frequency (perhaps 5kHz). The low frequency would penetrate some distance into the steel but the high frequency was confined to the surface layers (skin effect). A crack on the surface of the steel would be detected by phase-sensitive rectifiers as a significant shift in the relative phases of the two signals and that triggered a short squirt of engineer's blue onto the steel bar. Further down the line, the section with a the blue mark would be cut out, ensuring that the rest of the bar was free of surface cracks. All of that happened while the bar was still very hot and moving fast, which was a tough environment to do tests in.
      That bit of electronics hasn't changed much in 50 years.

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому

      Right. Yes I think I have heard of this technique. Using the skin depth is quite a interesting solution to detect differences between surface and bulk material. Actually I think its a huge field, I expect they use essentially the same method to characterize ferrites for transformers up to about 800Khz or so.
      I also used to do material measurement, but its was on the electric rather than magnetic side of things, and at much higher frequencies.

    • @watson946
      @watson946 Рік тому

      @@RexxSchneider I was going to say 'not just these days too', but anyway, Herr Foerster was making equipment to do ET back in the 1930s I believe. The real difference these days in most NDT methods is the addition of computing power to analyse results and improve the probability of detection. Eddyfi produce some interesting array systems for tubes etc.

  • @humbuccaneer84
    @humbuccaneer84 11 місяців тому

    Egypt... tutankamon necklace with vulture holding a transformer.
    2 paws 2 coils alu spools steel core. U shape.
    Cross barr, soft iron with one coil.
    Amber is the capacitor or in this case the alu spools.
    Putting feedback on the spools as capacitor.

  • @elsaarmstrong-zp6ng
    @elsaarmstrong-zp6ng 11 місяців тому

    If I remember correctly back in the 60’s this was the guts of a Hartley oscillator? The other one with a large capacitor was a Collpits oscillator? Am I correct??? Fraser

  • @grandprime7397
    @grandprime7397 11 місяців тому +1

    Support from india

  • @danielwashi6229
    @danielwashi6229 7 місяців тому

    What happens to the back emf at the primary when the secondary is shorted

  • @emichael06
    @emichael06 8 місяців тому

    Out of curiosity, if it only takes 6 V to produce 400V, why don't we just use the 6V (or a 9V) battery to power our houses?

  • @williamkopanchuk
    @williamkopanchuk Рік тому

    Thank you

  • @johnbullpit9481
    @johnbullpit9481 Рік тому

    Was a little bit awereof some of it but still will have to watch it a few times. Can you do a video on model railway pulse width control of motors which use similar ideas.

  • @hoofheartedicemelted296
    @hoofheartedicemelted296 11 місяців тому

    Thank you, this is extremely interesting sir. What if I wanted to direct the collapsing field into a battery sir? What electronic components would I use? Thank you sir.

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому

      Just a diode. should work ok.

    • @hoofheartedicemelted296
      @hoofheartedicemelted296 10 місяців тому

      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain You should use a TVS Diode to capture the flyback. It has some interesting effects on the chemical behaviour of the secondary battery. If you use a battery relay to swap the run battery to become the charging / secondary and vice versa every 4 minutes, they both run for a very long time. Thanks for the video, it's one of the best explained I've watched. 👍

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому

      Are you talking about John Bedini's circuit?@@hoofheartedicemelted296

    • @hoofheartedicemelted296
      @hoofheartedicemelted296 10 місяців тому

      A variation of it.
      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain

  • @lektor6910
    @lektor6910 Рік тому

    Do you have some Info about the current sensor? Is it diy? How did you make it?
    Thanks 🙏

  • @gustavomarcelo7250
    @gustavomarcelo7250 11 місяців тому

    Hi.Does the same effect occurs when stator of generator collapses to zero volt and we have high voltage transient at the rotor?

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  11 місяців тому

      A good and important question.
      Its difficult to answer because there are literally 100's of different motor/generator configurations in existence, which have different effects.
      For example a GENERATOR made of permanent magnets and output coils should have very little voltage spikes because the output coils should have some diodes or bridge rectifiers which will take away this energy.
      A universal MOTOR for example, which has stator field windings which receive AC mains current, and rotor windings which receive current via carbon brushes will have voltage spikes in the rotor windings when the current through them is interrupted.

  • @dimdimich
    @dimdimich 11 місяців тому

    Does it mean we can put primary as L in LC oscillator and varying current in secondary with potentiometer we can tune oscillation frequency?

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  11 місяців тому

      Thats a good question. I suppose it would work but may have some limitations. try it!

  • @samwillard5688
    @samwillard5688 11 місяців тому

    What will happen if you wrap the entire ferrite ring with 1.0 copper and energize it? Does that make and induction heater?

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  11 місяців тому

      Well sort of, but the amount of heat produced will be very small. Ferrites are bad conductors, so they wont dissipate energy in the form of heat much. If you want to produce heat with a induction heater, the magnetic field should be inside a good conductor...like metal.

  • @josedelao9124
    @josedelao9124 Рік тому

    Flyback & EMF are the same just different degrees of charge they both try to find reverse balance

  • @josedelao9124
    @josedelao9124 11 місяців тому

    Weather you short out the secondary or not on a torodial transformer you will get back emf or flyback you will get a high spike in reverse weather you short out the secondary or not so what is the difference who shorts out the secondary any ways unless your using partnered coils bucking coils? A higher voltage spike makes the difference because you shorted the secondary.

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  11 місяців тому

      The point of shorting the secondary was to show that when current flows in the secondary, it has an effect on the primary. And that the effect caused a reduction in primary inductance showing that the secondary current/flux opposed the primary. Thats why its called back-EMF.

  • @paulmeynell8866
    @paulmeynell8866 Рік тому

    Interesting,I always thought they were the same thing!

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому

      yeah. its easy to get mixed up. People use the terms interchangeably

  • @mykedoes4099
    @mykedoes4099 Рік тому

    How do you divert back emf away from a MHD . Magneto Hydro Dynamic . I want to use pulsed DC instead of Constant Current DC

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому +3

      hi. Magneto Hydrodynamics is a interesting, large and complicated field. Without knowing more about your specific design, its difficult to say. However, in general I would guess that you are trying to produce magnetic fields, which means you need coils. If you want to recapture some of the energy of those magnetic fields after you have used them, a simple diode into a capacitor would suffice, like I showed in the video. I would add that the speed of the diode is important. The 1N4000 series of diodes are very slow, and work good for 50Hz only. Something better may be a HER5000 series. To find really good diodes simple google "fast diodes".

    • @humbuccaneer84
      @humbuccaneer84 11 місяців тому +1

      Noob here. Check. Germanium diodes.
      Crystal radios and loop antennas. Resonant frequency.
      Soft iron for low freq. Steel magnetizable for high.
      Ceramic has a big range in choice.

  • @mykedoes4099
    @mykedoes4099 Рік тому

    5:28 add 3rd asymmetric coil with a load

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  Рік тому +1

      Hi. Do you mean that by adding a 3rd coil the BEMF flux in the core can be cancelled? Or do you mean that a 3rd coil can absorb the flyback voltage?

    • @mykedoes4099
      @mykedoes4099 Рік тому

      @@ElectricMonkeyBrain third coil will provide a channel for the back emf to flow, pay attention to the core dimensions and width. ua-cam.com/video/Z_-3Nz1ZuSI/v-deo.html,
      Flyback voltage is not the same as back emf

  • @bluegizmo1983
    @bluegizmo1983 Рік тому +6

    You should make a Capacitor to capture all that Flux in the BEMF section... You could call it a Flux Capacitor 😂

  • @kaybhee6
    @kaybhee6 Рік тому

    goot

  • @stevebabiak6997
    @stevebabiak6997 11 місяців тому

    4:38 “When a MOSFET opens current travels …” - wow, that is just SO WRONG. When the MOSFET is CLOSED AKA turned on, that’s when current flows in that circuit that is shown. When the MOSFET opens, that’s when the voltage spike appears at the drain of the MOSFET.
    Another UA-cam video disseminating mistaken information for this particular example.

  • @Sameer2762
    @Sameer2762 10 місяців тому

    Someone needs to tell Veritasium 😄

    • @ElectricMonkeyBrain
      @ElectricMonkeyBrain  10 місяців тому

      lol. I am sure he will steal the idea and make 20M views off it. lol

  • @yodad4776
    @yodad4776 11 місяців тому

    Chur bro