@@interman7715 Great combines (a little light in the high wear areas) but IH could take the simple concept of a wide front end on a tractor or the 3-point hitch and add a bunch of unnecessary wear parts.
@@interman7715 But the cross flow cleaning fan is pretty much a copy of the Gleaner fan that's been around since 1972. Not to mention the several other features these combine were just recieving that Gleaner had for several years.
Great video. Brings memories back from the early to late 90's riding in the buddy seat when I was in elementary school irritating the shit out of my dad as he was trying to pick corn or beans. Great memories.
Amazing to see how the axial-flow machine has progressed, and what an impact its had since its introduction. As I type this a case IH axial flow machine is harvesting my small 20acres of soy beans! The winter wheat is being planted right behind it.
Toured the factory a few years prior to this , recognize the rotor balancing station. Wish they showed the amazing murals painted by one of the workers on the factory walls.
Here’s a reality check. Deere done had the axle flow back in the 1950’s. That’s what Deere dubbed their prototype combine back at that point and time. Didn’t work for them but IH took the axle flow from them.
They moved because of the union from what I understood when I worked at a CaseIH dealer back when it was first being talked about in 2000 or so right after Fiat bought CaseIH.
It's too bad that Fiat took over the New Holland plant at Grand Island and switched it to red machines. New Holland is the better combine with the twin rotors and Fiat just ran that brand into the ground.
I used to work at a CaseIH dealership from Spring of 1998 through October 2001. I will stick with my Gleaner R52 but this video was from back when CaseIH cared a bit more about the American farmer IMO.
@@SilverGleaner they lose more grain out the back than case's. We ran one for about 8 years and went back. Not to mention their a mechanical nightmare compared to the red stuff, and our broke down litterly everyday. The guy who bought it off of us, ran it for a couple years and just parked it.
@@bondobilly9369 That's not our experience. The Gleaners are heavier built in key wear areas. The drives are heavier, the frame is thicker, the feeder house is heftier, the augers were a 1/4 inch thick and the rasp bars and elevator sprockets were chromed. Measure the thickness of the frames on an N6 vs a 1660. Yes, the early N series had teething problems but within a couple years they were a great machine. The Gleaner is designed better too IMO. There is no cone or elephant ears to wear out, the rotor takes far less horse power because of it being transverse vs axial, the excelerator rolls and scroll fan were far superior to the conventional system used by the Axial Flows, etc, etc. When did Case introduce auto reel speed or variable corn head speed? There is a long list of features Gleaner had before Case or IH.
@@SilverGleaner the gleaner is a mechanical nightmare, just compare it to a 14, 16, or 21 series. We had silver seeder for a few years a dumped it for a 1480. Less down time, cheaper to run per hour and more output per hour too. Half the grease zerks/ bearings. These auto variable this or that, are cool factors, not needed to get the job done. The only issue we had with out red machine was blowing a head gasket, but the 436/466 are notorious for pushing them.
Interesting seeing them canadian guys, their family looks to be the typical amish family you'd see here in Minnesota or Pennsylvania but they are using brand new combines. Now i know that some amish use tractors but i didn't know about combines
@@ronwagner1005 ah, interesting. I’ve seen one or two of those tractors with the weird wheels that I’ve hear love to sink into the ground but I didn’t know they used combines. Cool seeing that
Theres lots of hutterites in Saskatchewan and Alberta, the ones by my farm have 15 thpusanto 20 thousand acre farm, which makes our six thousand acre farm look.small
The Canadian Hutterites made me laugh so hard because they sound like the guys in thirty point buck song. We have many colonies here in the dakotas but the accent is much more german sounding.
Gotta be careful combining on a sidehill. If you are going the wrong direction and slug the rotor, the inertia will flop the whole machine over on its side! 😉
And this hasn't happened to any other brand? LOL They've all had issues and still do. If it's mechanical, and you use it, it's bound to give you issues sooner or later. Just saying. Cheers :)
@@Ham68229 Anybody that I know who has ever had one of the older axial flows has had a back axle snap. And yes, I know all brands break down, and the actual combine part of the machine is pretty good, but I think that’s not just a coincidence.
never had an axle break on my IH, I do know of a 6600jd that both drive tires fell off of going down the road, apparently jd didn't put thick enough steel in the wheels on some of the early 6600's
I believe the increase in selling price is a result of reduced dockage fees at the selling point. Grain damage as well as material other than grain (MOG) reduces what the elevator or processor is willing to pay per bushel. This is especially true for food grade crops like white corn and popcorn. Red combines have long been known to damage grain less, put less MOG in the tank, and put less grain out the back as loss when compared to their competitors. They aren't perfect but they are darn good machines.
@@kbailey43 Not compared to Gleaners. Gleaners were and are still the gold standard in grain sample quality. I've never been docked for crackage or mog with any of my Gleaners whether is was my old dependable, never let me down E, the mighty L2 or my current R52 which has been as easy a combine to set as any I've ever run. But I've never grown food grade crops.... that said Gleaner has a great grain quality reputation.
We’re upgrading from a 1460 with 10,000 hours on it to a 2388 this year. Had multiple co-ops say it’s the cleanest grain they have ever seen. Been doing 600 acres with it for 13 years while milking 70 cows on top of it. Damn I’m gonna miss it.
A lot of comments here are pro or con to other makes. Thats all and good, but you have to compare machines of the same current production. Of course an old model is not as efficient as the newer versions. I've had and worked on man y makes and models. a new rotor is better than an older IHC. likewise a new Gleaner would be better than any make's older offerings. But all combines are super high maintenance and will and do break down!, no matter the make.
Curtis Baldwin of Gleaner fame patented rotary combine technology at least back to 1930 or 1931 and he sold a bunch of pull type rotary combines before the Great Depression took down his company temporarily. Has has several patents involving rotary technology.
Not necessarily factual but, I am with the understanding that John Deere sold the rights and patents to IHC in the 70's prior to IHC being bought out BY Tenneco and combined with CASE.
Gotta give it to IH for making the axial flow combine a reality pure craftsmanship great machines
IHC were true innovators .
@@interman7715 agree 100%
@@interman7715 Great combines (a little light in the high wear areas) but IH could take the simple concept of a wide front end on a tractor or the 3-point hitch and add a bunch of unnecessary wear parts.
@@interman7715 But the cross flow cleaning fan is pretty much a copy of the Gleaner fan that's been around since 1972. Not to mention the several other features these combine were just recieving that Gleaner had for several years.
Great video. Brings memories back from the early to late 90's riding in the buddy seat when I was in elementary school irritating the shit out of my dad as he was trying to pick corn or beans. Great memories.
oh yes
Amazing to see how the axial-flow machine has progressed, and what an impact its had since its introduction. As I type this a case IH axial flow machine is harvesting my small 20acres of soy beans! The winter wheat is being planted right behind it.
Toured the factory a few years prior to this , recognize the rotor balancing station. Wish they showed the amazing murals painted by one of the workers on the factory walls.
gentle , threshing action , sounds like a dominatrix..
Here’s a reality check. Deere done had the axle flow back in the 1950’s. That’s what Deere dubbed their prototype combine back at that point and time. Didn’t work for them but IH took the axle flow from them.
Great video, Thanks!. Audio is off a touch i think though. Keep up the uploads, can't get enough of these!
I’ll have to fix the audio. Thanks for letting me know
back when it was in east moline now it’s in grand island nebraska!
Wish they still cared what the farmer thought. Old video old thoughts
true
East Moline was closed in 2004. I believe the site is leveled. Grand Island Nebraska is where they are built now.
They moved because of the union from what I understood when I worked at a CaseIH dealer back when it was first being talked about in 2000 or so right after Fiat bought CaseIH.
It's too bad that Fiat took over the New Holland plant at Grand Island and switched it to red machines. New Holland is the better combine with the twin rotors and Fiat just ran that brand into the ground.
I used to work at a CaseIH dealership from Spring of 1998 through October 2001. I will stick with my Gleaner R52 but this video was from back when CaseIH cared a bit more about the American farmer IMO.
Don't call them "silver seeders" for nothing.
@@bondobilly9369 please explain
@@SilverGleaner they lose more grain out the back than case's. We ran one for about 8 years and went back. Not to mention their a mechanical nightmare compared to the red stuff, and our broke down litterly everyday. The guy who bought it off of us, ran it for a couple years and just parked it.
@@bondobilly9369 That's not our experience. The Gleaners are heavier built in key wear areas. The drives are heavier, the frame is thicker, the feeder house is heftier, the augers were a 1/4 inch thick and the rasp bars and elevator sprockets were chromed. Measure the thickness of the frames on an N6 vs a 1660. Yes, the early N series had teething problems but within a couple years they were a great machine. The Gleaner is designed better too IMO. There is no cone or elephant ears to wear out, the rotor takes far less horse power because of it being transverse vs axial, the excelerator rolls and scroll fan were far superior to the conventional system used by the Axial Flows, etc, etc. When did Case introduce auto reel speed or variable corn head speed? There is a long list of features Gleaner had before Case or IH.
@@SilverGleaner the gleaner is a mechanical nightmare, just compare it to a 14, 16, or 21 series. We had silver seeder for a few years a dumped it for a 1480. Less down time, cheaper to run per hour and more output per hour too. Half the grease zerks/ bearings. These auto variable this or that, are cool factors, not needed to get the job done. The only issue we had with out red machine was blowing a head gasket, but the 436/466 are notorious for pushing them.
Interesting seeing them canadian guys, their family looks to be the typical amish family you'd see here in Minnesota or Pennsylvania but they are using brand new combines. Now i know that some amish use tractors but i didn't know about combines
l think they are Mennonite.
They are hutterites.
@@ronwagner1005 ah, interesting. I’ve seen one or two of those tractors with the weird wheels that I’ve hear love to sink into the ground but I didn’t know they used combines. Cool seeing that
Theres lots of hutterites in Saskatchewan and Alberta, the ones by my farm have 15 thpusanto 20 thousand acre farm, which makes our six thousand acre farm look.small
Hutteright not Amish Amish don't use modern machinery still use horses.
The Canadian Hutterites made me laugh so hard because they sound like the guys in thirty point buck song. We have many colonies here in the dakotas but the accent is much more german sounding.
@big tractor power, this is how you pronounce axial flow.
When was this ? Early 90’s?
I ran a 1460 for several years when I was a teenager
Me 1420 YES SIR
Gotta be careful combining on a sidehill. If you are going the wrong direction and slug the rotor, the inertia will flop the whole machine over on its side! 😉
So, you guys gonna tell us when the axle breaks? Or how about when it burns to the ground?
And this hasn't happened to any other brand? LOL They've all had issues and still do. If it's mechanical, and you use it, it's bound to give you issues sooner or later. Just saying. Cheers :)
@@Ham68229 Anybody that I know who has ever had one of the older axial flows has had a back axle snap. And yes, I know all brands break down, and the actual combine part of the machine is pretty good, but I think that’s not just a coincidence.
Deere had a pretty good rep for burning.... more so than IH by far but none beat Massey for that blue ribbon.
WHAT
never had an axle break on my IH, I do know of a 6600jd that both drive tires fell off of going down the road, apparently jd didn't put thick enough steel in the wheels on some of the early 6600's
When has a farmer ever set his price for his grain???
I believe the increase in selling price is a result of reduced dockage fees at the selling point. Grain damage as well as material other than grain (MOG) reduces what the elevator or processor is willing to pay per bushel. This is especially true for food grade crops like white corn and popcorn. Red combines have long been known to damage grain less, put less MOG in the tank, and put less grain out the back as loss when compared to their competitors. They aren't perfect but they are darn good machines.
That's the problem. The industry goes to wall street for pricing. how dumb is that???
@@kbailey43 Not compared to Gleaners. Gleaners were and are still the gold standard in grain sample quality. I've never been docked for crackage or mog with any of my Gleaners whether is was my old dependable, never let me down E, the mighty L2 or my current R52 which has been as easy a combine to set as any I've ever run. But I've never grown food grade crops.... that said Gleaner has a great grain quality reputation.
Well it did help when we got rid of trump and got Biden instead. I lost a lot of money because of trump and his Chinese tariffs.
BIG BUCKS
Not as much as a deer would be
will fucking out pick anything of its day
The Gleaner Natural flows of that period would kick their ass in wheat and corn. Beans and rice probably not.
Yea you never had one
We’re upgrading from a 1460 with 10,000 hours on it to a 2388 this year. Had multiple co-ops say it’s the cleanest grain they have ever seen. Been doing 600 acres with it for 13 years while milking 70 cows on top of it. Damn I’m gonna miss it.
How much ???
A lot of comments here are pro or con to other makes. Thats all and good, but you have to compare machines of the same current production. Of course an old model is not as efficient as the newer versions. I've had and worked on man y makes and models. a new rotor is better than an older IHC. likewise a new Gleaner would be better than any make's older offerings. But all combines are super high maintenance and will and do break down!, no matter the make.
looks like u need some PC upgrades...lol
I heard John Deere actually made the blueprints for the first rotor machine but couldn’t get it to work.
Curtis Baldwin of Gleaner fame patented rotary combine technology at least back to 1930 or 1931 and he sold a bunch of pull type rotary combines before the Great Depression took down his company temporarily. Has has several patents involving rotary technology.
Not necessarily factual but, I am with the understanding that John Deere sold the rights and patents to IHC in the 70's prior to IHC being bought out BY Tenneco and combined with CASE.
Then why did they wait so long to switch to a rotor. Wanted to be different?
Massey had the idea first then gleaner took it then ih then Deere
Case IH was broke down back in the shop, the John Deere had to do both Fields.
Nothing copies like a Deere.
Nothing runs like a DEERE
Or smells like a john.
So true, nothing runs the grain out the back like a deere.
Yep JD outsells CaseIh 4-1
@@johnallen5996 nothing burns more then a deer or breaks down like a deer 👍
@@johnallen5996 in parts and repairs?
STRAW WALKERS 4 LIFEEEEEEE .. CASE=JUNK