@@JBroMCMXCI Because romance is the most popular or the second most popular genre amongst women depending on the study. It is not a popular genre amongst men.
@@JBroMCMXCI At the very least, this particular book sounds like it's targeted at women. Female protagonist with a choice between the rich handsome man or the rugged handsome man? Definitely aimed at women.
Reminds me of a guy who was reading The Three Body Problem after a friend recommended it, and complaining that it was too dense and technical. Turns out, he was reading a thesis on the physics/cosmology problem of predicting the movement of 3 large bodies in space, while his friend was recommending the sci fi novel of the same name based on said problem.
Imagine getting 1/3 of the way through a YA romance novel waiting in anticipation and trying to predict when it will finally get dark, gritty and plague riddled. Growing attached to certain characters and expecting them to either die or grit up. Omg lol.
My friend once recommended me a mystery comic but she sent two links one after another, one with an angsty dark vampire theme and the other was just a show biz romance. I read the romance constantly trying to sus out who was the vampire that was gonna eat everyone like aaaah, it’s THE HANDSOME MANAGER ISNT IT, HES ALWAYS SO QUIET. Halfway through I was like there’s no damn vampires man. They’re just normal humans.
I remember this one post that went around a couple years back where the guy went in to watch Godzilla and there was like an hour of japanese drama going on he thought that this is the saddest story ever and that it'll get even sadder when Godzilla finally arrives. Turns out he entered the wrong cinema.
Reminds me of that post about this dude watching a japanese drama on a flight thinking it was a different movie the whole time thinking "Man this is so sad... and they're going to have to deal with Godzilla soon!"
I once recommended Parasite (the hit Korean drama movie about two families in very different class statuses) to my dad. He then called me all upset and complained that it had too much body-horror for him. I was confused until I realized he watched the wrong film, Parasyte (Japanese film based on a sci-fi manga with a lot of body-horror) lmao
And this is why it’s so crucial to include the author in book recommendations. I learned this the hard way when I wished for a Warhammer book as a kid and got a book by the same name about Astrology. My parents were also confused about the request, now we just laugh about it
@@JackPorter I wanna know how that Uncle didn't question it.. like.. if I *thought* my nephew wanted *that* book I would press a bit or ask the parents so I don't mess up
@@JackPorter Hah, Warhammer already sorta has this confusion. One of my favorite obscure lore/fluff books is "Blood on the Reik: A Journey through the Old World". When people see it at my place there's often a moment of confusion or their brain rebooting because "Blood on the Reik" conjures up something else entirely (even though it's a different spelling).
It's also good to double check if you think you've found something from an author you like. Found a book once that was decidedly not by the author I was looking for and very much not something I would be interested with. Can't remember the author name off the top of my head but I think it was Robin something.
This makes me wanna run a book discussion group where everyone gets told the title of the book, but they're all secretly given a different author name, so they all show up to discuss having read different books.
I don’t know if there would be enough books that are all named the same thing as enough books to fill out a book club that lasts for more than one book each.
@@theunholysmirk No. You see, most of the members won't return for a second book, so I don't have to find as many shared titles the second time around.
@@Arran05 I have unintentionally done this before. I recommended a book to three goth/wiccan friends, because they love vampires. But it had been so long since I had last read it, and it was just so good of a story, that I completely forgot how absolutely lewd it was. It was only when I was reading the story out loud to a goth friend, that I was reminded of the smut, lol. EDIT: Also, I am a dude, and they are all chicks. Two in relationships. They never mentioned the adult scenes when we talked about the book, though. So I think I'm in the clear.
I did this exact same thing in college. We were assigned to read a book by a specific author. I found a book by the same name, with the same author name, and even on the same general subject, but it was a fiction in the historical setting instead of a series of documented observations of that historical period. Turns out the *middle initial* of the two authors was different. Thankfully my professor thought it was hilarious and didn't call on me that day.
@@HazeEmryif u like confusing things about books,look up “so you want to read Horus heresy” it’s these 2 and it’s one of my favourite youtube videos ever
@@DeathnoteBB "Between two fires is an idiom that means being attacked from two sources or sides simultaneously. It can also mean being caught between two sources of conflict. The phrase is often used to describe a difficult situation where one is forced to choose between two undesirable options."
Hilarious to imagine a couple teen girls having the same conversation in reverse. "So I'm half way through the book you recommended 'Between Two Fires?" "Uh-hu." "We'll, when does the princess get introduced? Is after Sir Aethlred is drawn and quartered?" "What?" "Yeah, he's to be cut into forths and scatered across the country." "That didn't happen." "Oh, so he escapes?" "I think you got the wrong book."
Things I want from this: 1. Ben finishes the book. 2. Ben loves the book. 3.Ben reads the sequel books and loves it 4.Max/Netflix/Prime turn it into a movie/show that Ben loves.
things I want from this: 1. 300,000 in cash, non sequential bills. 2. free lifecoaching lessons (not struggling 2 bad but id love to thrive) 3. etymology textbooks far beyond my level of experience and time to read through and dissect 4. ben does read the sequels but has strong opinions on them
Things I want from this: 1. End of the prison-industrial complex 2. Freedom for Palestine 3. A pet dragon 4. Ben reads the entire series and recommends it to Tom.
Things I want from this: 1. Money to do with what I wish, whenever I wish 2. ...Honestly, most of my current problems could be resolved with the first one.
In fairness, Tom described the book being set in the Dark Ages, and based on the description on Goodreads, it's definitely not. 1348 is High Medieval. The book Ben got is actually set in the Dark Ages post Roman, so he was following the instructions given to him correctly.
I agree with you, however Dark Ages has been used and sometimes is used to refer to the entire Middle Ages. Personally I find that far too broad a usage but it is technically legitimate use.
@LordVader1094 The middle ages were also not used at the time, because it's a term made up to describe a historical period centuries after it was over.
@@LordVader1094during the time of the enlightenment, once the people of the then present called it such, they named the time period from the fall of the Roman Empire, till basically their "now" the Dark Ages Generally post humerously this was then simplified to 500-1500 and we renamed it the middle ages, to be a bit more objective
@@LordVader1094 The term "Dark Ages" is holder in historical usage than "medieval". In fact, the term "Dark Ages" has been used for the period since the Renaissance began.
"So Tom, I watched through that 'Lemon Party' video you recommended so highly and I have to say there really didn't seem to be the same focus on citrus that you described..."
My friend told me once to read the book, "Feed". I did so. A full five minutes into our discussion on whether I liked it or not-I didn't, it was a creepy, depressing and fairly cliche look at a bleak sci fi future where having a ever ready drip of internet in our heads fucks us up- I mentioned how the meat maze (a maze constructed from lab grown meat) kinda skeeved me out. My buddy, desperately trying to figure out if they'd missed something that could be construed as a meat maze in her zombie sci fi book: meat maze??? Me: yeah, the meat maze Her: like, the crush of bodies in the convention scene Me: no. Like the maze of biochemically engineered meat with eyes and cow horns sticking out if it. Why did you make me read this book. Careful with your recs, folks.
As a kid I remember making up a story that I lied about reading in a book to my friend, and he got so intrigued he wanted to read it so I nervously googled the premise and found the closest thing to it and told him the name of the book I found. He later told me he enjoyed the book lol.
Oh that reminds me of this one friend explaining this fascinating story of Minecraft to me but the whole time he had actually been talking about World of Warcraft. Thankfully I stuck with Minecraft and never got into WoW
in my book suggestions list I write it as " [book name] [author name]" or vice versa with no separation between them. its always fun to find out where the book title ends and the author name begins when I google them
This happens all the time with movies. But usually, they are very different. The best/worst example of this for movies is 'Frozen'. There is the disney movie that brought 'Let it go' to the world and it played endlessly at the time. Then there is another movie, also called 'Frozen', which was released first, but this movie is about three people getting stuck in a ski lift late at night. And have to survive in the freezing cold until the next day. One is a family comedy/musical the other is a horror.
This happened to me with the movie Elephant, which is a british film featuring disjointed scenes of men walking into view and shooting someone and then walking away. I was trying to find the American film Elephant which was loosely based off of the Columbine massacre and was about the children's lives and extracurricular activities prior to the shooting. I think it wasn't until I noticed they were playing soccer that I realized that the movie I was watching wasn't the american one, lol Also my favorite example is Jack Frost (1997), the beloved horror film about a serial killer who gets hit by a truck filled with... acid? Or something? idk. And then is scooped up into an evil snowman the next day -- not to be confused with the box office bomb of a children's movie that came out the next year about a guy who also gets hit by a car and turned into a snowman except no one liked this movie.
I'm pretty sure there are two movies called Jack Frost that were released around the same time. One is a family-friendly movie about a snowman, while the other is a horror movie about a killer snowman. I feel sorry for the kid who watches the latter since it apparently has a r*** scene in it.
It also doesn't help when there are remakes and reboots with the exact same name. And with Xbox consoles, where the Xbox One is not the first one, but the third and then there is the One X and the Series X which are not the same. Or how Battlefield 1 is the tenth game of the series and the sixth of the main, non-spinoff games. Oh, and just think about the sheer amount of Titanic 2
This happened in my school once, we were all told to read Coraline and we did, but all of us ended up with a different editorial, the bad thing was that some based the book on the movie and others in the real book, which ended up with some of us not even knowing who Wybie was or we had different events happening in the book. At the end the exam was cancelled and we just did a project.
"Between Two Fires" has also been used for: Joshua Yaffa's 2021 book about Putin's Russia; Joyce Hansen's 1993 book about US black Civil War soldiers; a book about Palestinian Christians; a book about Native Americans and the US Civil War; several memoirs including Laura Esquivel's; basically it's just such a good metaphor it gets re-used a lot.
@@adlilzafri2322 We can conclude that some authors are horrible at searching for the cool book names they come up with to check if/how often they've been used
I did this once, but I was looking for the Star Trek Deep Space Nine book “A Stitch in Time,” a book about the life of a alien lizard man who was trained as a black-op spy in his facist state before becoming a tailor. I ended up reading a book about a Christian embroiderer.
Something similar happened to me and my friend. We wanted to see the horror movie "In violent nature" but when we got to the ticket booth we both forgot the name of the movie. We asked the clerk what horror movies were showing and they said "The dead don't hurt". It sounded similar so we both went with it. We did not realize until about an hour in that this was a romance western movie. We figured there would be some crazy time jump at some point. Good movie but absolutely not what we wanted lol.
So does Ben finish his book? If I'm a third of the way into a book, I'm finishing it regardless of how much I'm enjoying it. Same with videogames, I'm sunk cost fallacy to the max.
this showed up in my recommendations and this was so funny! absolutely obsessed with getting “two or three hours” into an audiobook about a princess in a love triangle, just waiting for the gruesome black death storyline to start! you guys seem like a lot of fun - i’ll have to check your stuff out properly!
I had a similar thing where i was given a list of recommended sci fi books, but one of them was a mistake. I got about 100 pages in waiting for anything sci fi to happen instead of being about restoring a sailing ship before i realised. Unlike Ben i didn't really enjoy the book so i stopped.
@@sacrificiallamb4568 That'll work until a point. There have been books published by different authors with the same names. But it's so rare atm; however given time there will be such a backlog of books; there is bound to be a point in time where it'll be more common. But we're not there yet and It'll probably be centuries until it's a big problem so; a worthwhile method for now!
I recently had a similar experience. There's a graphic novel called "Humanity Lost" about humanity being forcibly evolved into monsterous creatures; I bought what I thought was the novel version, nope, it was a completely different novella also called "Humanity Lost" about people being stranded in space. I was only looking at the price and didn't even realize the book was only 60 pages.
Also Demonslayer, which is a Russian comic about a guy who slays demons, not to be confused with Demon Slayer, which is a Japanese comic about a guy who slays demons 😅
I had the same issue when I took a friends recommendation to watch Animal Farm for the first time. He was quoting things like "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". And there was me thinking... no mate, All animals are perverts...
@@DeathnoteBB Its a Danish bestiality pron film from the 1970s (bestiality was legal in Denmark until 2015). It was smuggled into Britain and became underground famous
In Austria (and generally in the whole of the EU I believe) we have this lovely thing called title protection, which is part of copyright law. It basically saves us from these exact situations. Different books/movies/plays etc aren't allowed to have the same name. As an author you can buy it before publication & I think it might even be automatic once the book is published, but I'm not sure on that last part. This law is the reason why the Disney movie Moana was localized into Vaiana here, because there already was an existing Italian movie called Moana.
@@flowerdolphin5648 I disagree with that. If an author wants to name their book a certain way they should be allowed to name it regardless if it was already in use
This is a classic problem with all fantasy books, especially ones marketed towards young adults. I work in a bookstore, in storage, so I see young adult novels all the time, hundreds of them a day, and regardless of the maturity of the content, the quality of the writing, the age of the protagonist, the ABSOLUTE VAST MAJORITY of them have incredibly generic titles that are all equally interchangeable. The majority of them have "x of x" as a default title prompt. "Throne of glass", "Eyes of shadow", "The tower of war", etc...etc... They all share the same very basic nouns too, mostly ones with "throne", "fire", "shadow" and "Rose". Part of me thinks it's just a problem that fantasy has always had, but another, larger part of me thinks that Tolkien and GRR Martin are to blame. They basically popularized the trend of "x of the x" or "a x of x" and publishers basically wanted all their artists to do the same thing to catch similar audiences. It's sad really, because to me at least, an original title does absolute wonders to catch attention. If you sound exactly like every other very generic, very crappy young adult romance novel involving a love triangle, a young female protagonist with SPECIAL unique superduper magical powers she DOESN'T WANT and is CURSED with along with PURPLE EYES (the horror!), you will just end up on the garbage pile. The same problem simply doesn't exist for the science fiction section of our store, which is generally assumed to catch an older, more intellectual audience, or for the horror genre, comic books, manga, etc... It's squarely the fantasy novels that suffer immensely from generic title-creation. It's super sad, and also a tiny bit funny. (Some might rightfully argue that fantasy is a setting, not a genre. I agree, but it doesn't matter. Popularity makes money, and the popular belief is that fantasy is a genre, so that's how bookstores mark their categories. It's annoying, but it's reality.) "Between two fires", as a title, while definitely a bit LESS generic, still suffers from the interchangeable nouns and definite "love triangle" vibes implied in the title.
The exact same thing happened to me with The Darkness i remembered that my brother played the game some how I asked him about it when I finished it I was so confused when it was nothing like what he described it turns out he played darkness 2 and I got darkness 1
There's a book about an English princess being married to a Scottish warlord with more or less the exact same plot as the book Ben described that came out like 20 years earlier.
Someone else said this did happen to them when their parents bought them a book about astrology that happened to have the same name as a Warhammer book he wanted!
This mistake implies some woman was suggested a romance book, and ended up learning about the horrors of the black death.
I’m sure she still found it enjoyable.
Nah the woman was looking for the black death and ended up reading romance
Why would a woman be more likely to want a romance book?
@@JBroMCMXCI Because romance is the most popular or the second most popular genre amongst women depending on the study. It is not a popular genre amongst men.
@@JBroMCMXCI At the very least, this particular book sounds like it's targeted at women. Female protagonist with a choice between the rich handsome man or the rugged handsome man? Definitely aimed at women.
Tom recommending a black plague horror story and Ben picking up a cheesy YA romance about a princess is peak Tom and Ben behaviour.
And he's just like "I think this is the wrong book, but I'm kinda digging it"
what is YA?
@@sjoerdstougieyoung adult
Imagine if it was romance/horror book about a princess and black plague. I’d read that
Reminds me of a guy who was reading The Three Body Problem after a friend recommended it, and complaining that it was too dense and technical. Turns out, he was reading a thesis on the physics/cosmology problem of predicting the movement of 3 large bodies in space, while his friend was recommending the sci fi novel of the same name based on said problem.
High marks for the friend group that the friend assumed without question they would read a scientific thesis and casually recommend it though
Imagine getting 1/3 of the way through a YA romance novel waiting in anticipation and trying to predict when it will finally get dark, gritty and plague riddled. Growing attached to certain characters and expecting them to either die or grit up. Omg lol.
My friend once recommended me a mystery comic but she sent two links one after another, one with an angsty dark vampire theme and the other was just a show biz romance. I read the romance constantly trying to sus out who was the vampire that was gonna eat everyone like aaaah, it’s THE HANDSOME MANAGER ISNT IT, HES ALWAYS SO QUIET. Halfway through I was like there’s no damn vampires man. They’re just normal humans.
I remember this one post that went around a couple years back where the guy went in to watch Godzilla and there was like an hour of japanese drama going on he thought that this is the saddest story ever and that it'll get even sadder when Godzilla finally arrives. Turns out he entered the wrong cinema.
@yayalu8650 this is incredible
@@Kaine852Godzilla Minus One: Write that down, write that down!
i'd never recover from such big disappointment...
Reminds me of that post about this dude watching a japanese drama on a flight thinking it was a different movie the whole time thinking "Man this is so sad... and they're going to have to deal with Godzilla soon!"
Help that's so funny 😂
To be fair that does describe minus one
I once recommended Parasite (the hit Korean drama movie about two families in very different class statuses) to my dad. He then called me all upset and complained that it had too much body-horror for him. I was confused until I realized he watched the wrong film, Parasyte (Japanese film based on a sci-fi manga with a lot of body-horror) lmao
Instructions not clear.
Accidentaly downloaded "Between Two Thighs."
Sounds like an absolute win.
Somehow still read the wrong version
'Accidentally'
@@ComXDude yeah I got the one that is all about an OBGYN struggling to balance work and family
@@roymarshall_"oh darling, am I glad to see your face..."
And this is why it’s so crucial to include the author in book recommendations. I learned this the hard way when I wished for a Warhammer book as a kid and got a book by the same name about Astrology. My parents were also confused about the request, now we just laugh about it
Reminds me of the uncle that mistakenly got a kid Mein Kampf instead of MineCraft
@@JackPorterman the joke really became real
@@JackPorter I wanna know how that Uncle didn't question it.. like.. if I *thought* my nephew wanted *that* book I would press a bit or ask the parents so I don't mess up
@@JackPorter Hah, Warhammer already sorta has this confusion. One of my favorite obscure lore/fluff books is "Blood on the Reik: A Journey through the Old World". When people see it at my place there's often a moment of confusion or their brain rebooting because "Blood on the Reik" conjures up something else entirely (even though it's a different spelling).
It's also good to double check if you think you've found something from an author you like. Found a book once that was decidedly not by the author I was looking for and very much not something I would be interested with. Can't remember the author name off the top of my head but I think it was Robin something.
"2 or 3 hours in"
How to spot an audiobooker.
"it didn't come up on audible" was a pretty good hint too
Ben absolutely loves the book.
He can't lie to us.
The way he talks about it gives it away
It's all about retention: It's easy to remember what you like and hard to remember what bored you.
He is totally into it but tries so hard not to give it away lmao
And you know what, it sounds like a fascinating story, I can see why lmao
"there's a dashing brigand" LOL
tom should read ot 😂
This makes me wanna run a book discussion group where everyone gets told the title of the book, but they're all secretly given a different author name, so they all show up to discuss having read different books.
YES
Honestly sounds like a pretty fire bookclub
I don’t know if there would be enough books that are all named the same thing as enough books to fill out a book club that lasts for more than one book each.
@@theunholysmirk No. You see, most of the members won't return for a second book, so I don't have to find as many shared titles the second time around.
“Plague and Prejudice” from the chat is underrated
"a dashing brigand" are words that only come out of a british persons mouth or someone in an elder scrolls game
Who is likely a British voice actor, tbf.
I hope to god Bens book is smutty and hes gotten to a smutty part and suddenly realised this might not be the rught book
Or… read and enjoyed the smutty part and suddenly sat there wondering why Tom enjoyed this so much
The thought of your friend recommending you a book full of smut and only telling you about the cool and dark parts to lure you in is so funny
As a YA book I certainly hope there is no smutty part
@@Arran05 I have unintentionally done this before. I recommended a book to three goth/wiccan friends, because they love vampires. But it had been so long since I had last read it, and it was just so good of a story, that I completely forgot how absolutely lewd it was.
It was only when I was reading the story out loud to a goth friend, that I was reminded of the smut, lol.
EDIT: Also, I am a dude, and they are all chicks. Two in relationships. They never mentioned the adult scenes when we talked about the book, though. So I think I'm in the clear.
I mean, the guy's called the Hammer King. He didn't get that name on the battlefield...
I did this exact same thing in college. We were assigned to read a book by a specific author. I found a book by the same name, with the same author name, and even on the same general subject, but it was a fiction in the historical setting instead of a series of documented observations of that historical period. Turns out the *middle initial* of the two authors was different. Thankfully my professor thought it was hilarious and didn't call on me that day.
So I just looked it up and including these two I saw 8 books, 2 movies and an episode of Stargate called Between Two Fires.
That many? Huh. This is the first I've seen of these two and I'm as confused as Ben(?) here
@@HazeEmryif u like confusing things about books,look up “so you want to read Horus heresy” it’s these 2 and it’s one of my favourite youtube videos ever
Is it like a classic phrase or something? Like To Be or Not To Be?
@@DeathnoteBB "Between two fires is an idiom that means being attacked from two sources or sides simultaneously. It can also mean being caught between two sources of conflict. The phrase is often used to describe a difficult situation where one is forced to choose between two undesirable options."
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I guess Ben was caught between two fires
Caught between two Between Two Fires
One is a historical romance and the other is about the worst road trip ever
Ben should finish the book and then have a "book club" stream where they discuss books they've read.
It would be a good bit to discuss the two books in a way where they never recognize that its two different books
Hilarious to imagine a couple teen girls having the same conversation in reverse.
"So I'm half way through the book you recommended 'Between Two Fires?"
"Uh-hu."
"We'll, when does the princess get introduced? Is after Sir Aethlred is drawn and quartered?"
"What?"
"Yeah, he's to be cut into forths and scatered across the country."
"That didn't happen."
"Oh, so he escapes?"
"I think you got the wrong book."
Things I want from this:
1. Ben finishes the book.
2. Ben loves the book.
3.Ben reads the sequel books and loves it
4.Max/Netflix/Prime turn it into a movie/show that Ben loves.
things I want from this:
1. 300,000 in cash, non sequential bills.
2. free lifecoaching lessons (not struggling 2 bad but id love to thrive)
3. etymology textbooks far beyond my level of experience and time to read through and dissect
4. ben does read the sequels but has strong opinions on them
@personeater747 here's a life coaching lesson. If you think you need life coaching lessons, you're probably stupid...
@@personeater747
things I want from this:
1. WAAAGH!!
Things I want from this:
1. End of the prison-industrial complex
2. Freedom for Palestine
3. A pet dragon
4. Ben reads the entire series and recommends it to Tom.
Things I want from this:
1. Money to do with what I wish, whenever I wish
2. ...Honestly, most of my current problems could be resolved with the first one.
Between Two Between Two Fires
In fairness, Tom described the book being set in the Dark Ages, and based on the description on Goodreads, it's definitely not. 1348 is High Medieval. The book Ben got is actually set in the Dark Ages post Roman, so he was following the instructions given to him correctly.
I agree with you, however Dark Ages has been used and sometimes is used to refer to the entire Middle Ages. Personally I find that far too broad a usage but it is technically legitimate use.
@@TheTyke It's not technically legitimate use because the Dark Ages were never a thing historically.
@LordVader1094 The middle ages were also not used at the time, because it's a term made up to describe a historical period centuries after it was over.
@@LordVader1094during the time of the enlightenment, once the people of the then present called it such, they named the time period from the fall of the Roman Empire, till basically their "now" the Dark Ages
Generally post humerously this was then simplified to 500-1500 and we renamed it the middle ages, to be a bit more objective
@@LordVader1094 The term "Dark Ages" is holder in historical usage than "medieval". In fact, the term "Dark Ages" has been used for the period since the Renaissance began.
"So Tom, I watched through that 'Lemon Party' video you recommended so highly and I have to say there really didn't seem to be the same focus on citrus that you described..."
I understood that reference.
I too understood that reference, FELLOW HUMAN. @@kazzar831
Lemon Party was an image, unfortunately, not a video
@@HamazuraGOD unfortunately??????????
@@SketchyCosmos
I'm gonna be honest I don't know what I meant by that. Maybe I meant "unfortunately you are incorrect" or something?
My friend told me once to read the book, "Feed". I did so. A full five minutes into our discussion on whether I liked it or not-I didn't, it was a creepy, depressing and fairly cliche look at a bleak sci fi future where having a ever ready drip of internet in our heads fucks us up- I mentioned how the meat maze (a maze constructed from lab grown meat) kinda skeeved me out.
My buddy, desperately trying to figure out if they'd missed something that could be construed as a meat maze in her zombie sci fi book: meat maze???
Me: yeah, the meat maze
Her: like, the crush of bodies in the convention scene
Me: no. Like the maze of biochemically engineered meat with eyes and cow horns sticking out if it. Why did you make me read this book.
Careful with your recs, folks.
Or at least say the authors name along with it 😂
“Meat maze” lmfaooo
That’s why I always find a picture or send a link when I recommend anything.
@@elenalizabeth for real, it's the only way to be sure!
@@tamanegi8985I wish I was making that up. It's been like five years and it's nearly the only thing I remember from that book. Fucking traumatizing
The author reads it out loud right here on youtube, it's fuckkng amazing. Best book ever
Which one
@@gyroscope915Does it matter? I feel obligated to read both now.
@@gyroscope915 Between Two Fires
@@PrisOwner16 ass :P
@@PrisOwner16🤓
As a kid I remember making up a story that I lied about reading in a book to my friend, and he got so intrigued he wanted to read it so I nervously googled the premise and found the closest thing to it and told him the name of the book I found. He later told me he enjoyed the book lol.
What’s the premise / name of the book?
What was it?
Oh that reminds me of this one friend explaining this fascinating story of Minecraft to me but the whole time he had actually been talking about World of Warcraft.
Thankfully I stuck with Minecraft and never got into WoW
Oh my god, I don't know you guys, but had this randomly in my recommended. I legit have tears in my eyes from laughing.
same!
Ben and Tom learn why people often say "[Book Name], by [Author Name]" when recommending books :)
in my book suggestions list I write it as " [book name] [author name]" or vice versa with no separation between them. its always fun to find out where the book title ends and the author name begins when I google them
This happens all the time with movies. But usually, they are very different. The best/worst example of this for movies is 'Frozen'. There is the disney movie that brought 'Let it go' to the world and it played endlessly at the time.
Then there is another movie, also called 'Frozen', which was released first, but this movie is about three people getting stuck in a ski lift late at night. And have to survive in the freezing cold until the next day.
One is a family comedy/musical the other is a horror.
This happened to me with the movie Elephant, which is a british film featuring disjointed scenes of men walking into view and shooting someone and then walking away. I was trying to find the American film Elephant which was loosely based off of the Columbine massacre and was about the children's lives and extracurricular activities prior to the shooting. I think it wasn't until I noticed they were playing soccer that I realized that the movie I was watching wasn't the american one, lol
Also my favorite example is Jack Frost (1997), the beloved horror film about a serial killer who gets hit by a truck filled with... acid? Or something? idk. And then is scooped up into an evil snowman the next day -- not to be confused with the box office bomb of a children's movie that came out the next year about a guy who also gets hit by a car and turned into a snowman except no one liked this movie.
I'm pretty sure there are two movies called Jack Frost that were released around the same time. One is a family-friendly movie about a snowman, while the other is a horror movie about a killer snowman.
I feel sorry for the kid who watches the latter since it apparently has a r*** scene in it.
Frozen does for the ski life what Jaws does for sharks.
@@akl2k7It doesn’t, the snowman just smacks her head against the wall but the fact that they’re in a bath makes it look wrong
It also doesn't help when there are remakes and reboots with the exact same name.
And with Xbox consoles, where the Xbox One is not the first one, but the third and then there is the One X and the Series X which are not the same.
Or how Battlefield 1 is the tenth game of the series and the sixth of the main, non-spinoff games.
Oh, and just think about the sheer amount of Titanic 2
This is how Ben found romantic fiction
Same thing when I searched up “Venom” on Netflix. I was expecting a marvel movie not a horror movie about a snake eating people…
Well depending on when that was, Venom would be on Disney+ anyway
@DeathnoteBB So true bestie.
This happened in my school once, we were all told to read Coraline and we did, but all of us ended up with a different editorial, the bad thing was that some based the book on the movie and others in the real book, which ended up with some of us not even knowing who Wybie was or we had different events happening in the book. At the end the exam was cancelled and we just did a project.
There’s a reason ISBN numbers exist 😅
Possible the most Ben thing to ever Ben
In my book they're stranded on the desert island and the princess has to resort to cannibalism
What part does she eat first?
@@jacobgame2757you gotta go for a leg first, right? I'd want to avoid the innards as much as possible, I'm no butcher.
@@SirNightmareFuel You go for the ass
I read that as capitalism and got very confused on how capitalism would solve that issue
@@woooooooooooooooooooooooo sounds a bit like "Desert Island Economics" by Existential Comics :)
"Between Two Fires" has also been used for:
Joshua Yaffa's 2021 book about Putin's Russia;
Joyce Hansen's 1993 book about US black Civil War soldiers;
a book about Palestinian Christians;
a book about Native Americans and the US Civil War;
several memoirs including Laura Esquivel's; basically it's just such a good metaphor it gets re-used a lot.
So we can conclude that authors are horrible with naming their books?
@@adlilzafri2322 We can conclude that some authors are horrible at searching for the cool book names they come up with to check if/how often they've been used
Just wait until they discover the 3rd book titled Between Two Fires. What a confusing day that will be.
The one about some Spanish war?
The real plot twist is that Tom also read that romance book, and he DOES love it but he doesnt want anyone to know that
between two between two fires, ben chose the wrong one
Haha when Tom says, “Ooooooo, romance!” And Ben is just sitting their quietly 😂
Same thing happened to me. My buddy recommended a warhammer 40k book called Horus rising and I got a book about a guy stuck in his bed
Was it good?
And this is why you tell people the name of the author along with the title lol
Or even a basic synopsis 😂
I did this once, but I was looking for the Star Trek Deep Space Nine book “A Stitch in Time,” a book about the life of a alien lizard man who was trained as a black-op spy in his facist state before becoming a tailor. I ended up reading a book about a Christian embroiderer.
This happened when my grandma bought me american gods for christmas, she bought different one with the same title
"Between Four Fires", if you will.
Good one lmao
I love how both books are actually rated quite well
It’s so strange, I’ve never watched this guy but immediately got the vibe of “This reminds me of watching Yogscast as a kid” and-
it reminds me of that tweet about someone watching a sad japanese movie thinking they would have to deal with Godzilla at some point
Plot twist, it was a prequel where the wedding accidentally trigerred the plague
Something similar happened to me and my friend. We wanted to see the horror movie "In violent nature" but when we got to the ticket booth we both forgot the name of the movie. We asked the clerk what horror movies were showing and they said "The dead don't hurt". It sounded similar so we both went with it. We did not realize until about an hour in that this was a romance western movie. We figured there would be some crazy time jump at some point. Good movie but absolutely not what we wanted lol.
I recommended the TV show Barry to my dad, he ended up watching Barry, the Barack Obama movie, with his coworkers.
thats why i always include the author in my recommendations. lowers the chance for errrors down to very unlikely
Instructions unclear, started watching Between Two Ferns.
Just looked it up and it's absolutely on audible. It's also the first result.
So does Ben finish his book? If I'm a third of the way into a book, I'm finishing it regardless of how much I'm enjoying it. Same with videogames, I'm sunk cost fallacy to the max.
He clearly did enjoy it so hopefully he does
this showed up in my recommendations and this was so funny! absolutely obsessed with getting “two or three hours” into an audiobook about a princess in a love triangle, just waiting for the gruesome black death storyline to start! you guys seem like a lot of fun - i’ll have to check your stuff out properly!
I asked for "The Twilight Zone" when I was younger. My mom thought I was talking about the Twilight with vampires.
"Princess has to marry" idk marriage sounds like horror 😂
Tom could have recommended him the movie "No Country for Old Men", and Ben would have accidentally watched "Brokeback Mountain".
Wow, this western thriller is surprisingly homoerotic. When's Javier Bardem supposed to show up again?
LMFAOOOOOOO
This is why you don't go by synopsis and go by author lol
To be fair going by synopsis definitely helps, the issue here was confusion over setting
Oh, Between Two Fires has been on my reading list for ages.
Which one lol
Thats the joke@@Lacmene8
This made me realise why putting the author in your references is so important 😭
Haven't picked up Between Two Fires (the right one), but I would recommend The Blacktongue Thief by the same author, Christopher Buehlman.
Have you picked up Between Two Fires (the wrong one)?
@@Muongoing.97c I haven’t picked up that one either, but it’s not on my want to read list. Maybe if Ben recommends it when he finishes it.
The Lesser Dead is also really good by the same.
Showed up in my recommended list and it took me a while to realize who it was. Hadn’t thought of Yogscast in a while, nice to see they’re still going
I had a similar thing where i was given a list of recommended sci fi books, but one of them was a mistake. I got about 100 pages in waiting for anything sci fi to happen instead of being about restoring a sailing ship before i realised. Unlike Ben i didn't really enjoy the book so i stopped.
Between Two Fires (the black death one, by Christopher Buehlman) is actually really really good. Good rec.
yogscast simon and lewis in different fonts
honestly with that name it could have been much worse
Dude got GOT by the algorithm.
In the future so many books will share the same title, you need to remember the book's ID code rather than it's name.
Or just... Author.
@@sacrificiallamb4568 That'll work until a point.
There have been books published by different authors with the same names. But it's so rare atm; however given time there will be such a backlog of books; there is bound to be a point in time where it'll be more common.
But we're not there yet and It'll probably be centuries until it's a big problem so; a worthwhile method for now!
Or just give the date so like The Wizard of Earthsea (2077).
I recently had a similar experience. There's a graphic novel called "Humanity Lost" about humanity being forcibly evolved into monsterous creatures; I bought what I thought was the novel version, nope, it was a completely different novella also called "Humanity Lost" about people being stranded in space. I was only looking at the price and didn't even realize the book was only 60 pages.
Oh I think I remember that book. Never read it but heard about it recently
Also Demonslayer, which is a Russian comic about a guy who slays demons, not to be confused with Demon Slayer, which is a Japanese comic about a guy who slays demons 😅
I had the same issue when I took a friends recommendation to watch Animal Farm for the first time. He was quoting things like "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
And there was me thinking... no mate, All animals are perverts...
Is there a different Animal Farm?
What animal farm did you watch?
@@DeathnoteBB Its a Danish bestiality pron film from the 1970s (bestiality was legal in Denmark until 2015). It was smuggled into Britain and became underground famous
@@Spacemongerr How tf did they manage to find that version over Orwell
@@DeathnoteBB My guess is that they are joking
Decided to look up the name and i think i have 20+ historical fiction with the same name and then more other fiction after that 😂
I’ll be honest, Ben’s one sounds far more my vibe; might have to check it out.
Christopher Buehlman is an amazing author, the Blacktongue Thief is one of my favorite fantasy novels of all time. Will have to check this out.
Definitely a good book
So who does the princess marry?
Between Two “Between Two Fires”
In Austria (and generally in the whole of the EU I believe) we have this lovely thing called title protection, which is part of copyright law. It basically saves us from these exact situations. Different books/movies/plays etc aren't allowed to have the same name. As an author you can buy it before publication & I think it might even be automatic once the book is published, but I'm not sure on that last part. This law is the reason why the Disney movie Moana was localized into Vaiana here, because there already was an existing Italian movie called Moana.
Oh! So that's why the changed name! Didn't know about that italian movie. Thank you for sharing that information.
In the US book titles aren't copyrightable or even trademarked. The only time is when it's part of a series and then you can apply for trademarks
That sounds like a nightmare I'm going to be real.
@@nyahnyahson523 Well, we're used to finding unique titles. Even in school and university, every official paper has to have a unique title.
@@flowerdolphin5648 I disagree with that. If an author wants to name their book a certain way they should be allowed to name it regardless if it was already in use
This is why books should get recommended by title an author lol
This is a classic problem with all fantasy books, especially ones marketed towards young adults.
I work in a bookstore, in storage, so I see young adult novels all the time, hundreds of them a day, and regardless of the maturity of the content, the quality of the writing, the age of the protagonist, the ABSOLUTE VAST MAJORITY of them have incredibly generic titles that are all equally interchangeable.
The majority of them have "x of x" as a default title prompt. "Throne of glass", "Eyes of shadow", "The tower of war", etc...etc... They all share the same very basic nouns too, mostly ones with "throne", "fire", "shadow" and "Rose".
Part of me thinks it's just a problem that fantasy has always had, but another, larger part of me thinks that Tolkien and GRR Martin are to blame. They basically popularized the trend of "x of the x" or "a x of x" and publishers basically wanted all their artists to do the same thing to catch similar audiences.
It's sad really, because to me at least, an original title does absolute wonders to catch attention. If you sound exactly like every other very generic, very crappy young adult romance novel involving a love triangle, a young female protagonist with SPECIAL unique superduper magical powers she DOESN'T WANT and is CURSED with along with PURPLE EYES (the horror!), you will just end up on the garbage pile.
The same problem simply doesn't exist for the science fiction section of our store, which is generally assumed to catch an older, more intellectual audience, or for the horror genre, comic books, manga, etc... It's squarely the fantasy novels that suffer immensely from generic title-creation. It's super sad, and also a tiny bit funny. (Some might rightfully argue that fantasy is a setting, not a genre. I agree, but it doesn't matter. Popularity makes money, and the popular belief is that fantasy is a genre, so that's how bookstores mark their categories. It's annoying, but it's reality.)
"Between two fires", as a title, while definitely a bit LESS generic, still suffers from the interchangeable nouns and definite "love triangle" vibes implied in the title.
That's why you give the author's name with the book
Between two "Between two fires"
lol this is hilarious
Funny I got this recommended, was looking for Between Two Fires by Buelman last month at Barnes and Noble.
I've had this happen to me a couple of times. It's actually been when trying to find a book I've already read :D
this is exactly why trademarks exist
don't know these guys but this is very funny
I had a few of these experiences back in the day, get recommended a book or movie, buy the damn physical copy, get home and get partway through it...
I feel like these 2 were hired just because they look like Simon and Lewis
The exact same thing happened to me with The Darkness i remembered that my brother played the game some how I asked him about it when I finished it I was so confused when it was nothing like what he described it turns out he played darkness 2 and I got darkness 1
Tom should read it too
I like how the first question wasn't "Who wrote it?"
Oh Bon
Just finished the book a week a two ago, and it was good.
I won't tell you which one.
Don't even get me started on how many songs are titled: One.
Got Metallica, U2, Creed, The Bee Gees, Mary J Blige, Ed Sheeran...the list goes on.
Literally had this issue with my mate yesterday. Had to send him a picture of the cover to show him
There's a book about an English princess being married to a Scottish warlord with more or less the exact same plot as the book Ben described that came out like 20 years earlier.
I started watching the tv series that book was based off of, but so far its just been Zach Galifianakis insulting his celebrity interviews.
I like that he continued to read the romance novel. That's my genre preference, lol.
Imagine if this happened with Biack Library books.
Someone else said this did happen to them when their parents bought them a book about astrology that happened to have the same name as a Warhammer book he wanted!
I love UA-cam for showing me random funny moments this reminds me of og UA-cam, so funny 😂
So glad people are finding Between Two Fires, i chose that to get back into reading and it's a great book