This is a different culture from the one in my first few videos, and Itlu is the name of my conlang. It's just a baby conlang for now, but I will continue to grow it!
I was just sent over here by Artifexian. This is the first video I've watched. I just want to tell you how awesome you are and how much I like you already.
If mothers and daughters are genetically identical how would people prevent disease from completely eradicating families? Especially peasant families. I love the interesting take on families so I would love to know how this system responds to the lack of genetic diversity typical Earth-like familial structures introduce. Keep up the great work!
That's a good question! In-world, this state of affairs has existed for 2000 years, so I'd expect that entire families did get wiped out by disease over the centuries. But their starting point was pretty good: all the original inhabitants came from a very advanced civilisation, so they never had to worry about all the infectious diseases that got eradicated before this particular society came to be.
Worldbuilding Notes if the inhabitants came an advanced civilization that had eliminated many forms of infectious diseases then they will not have immunity built in to them by lack of exposure, by 2000 years that is plenty of time for the bugs to mutate and become deadly. If, as you say, this does occasionally happen: then this would likely be a major fear for your culture with major social implications. First, this would confer great value on the plants and fungi with antibacterial properties (there are studies which show that a culture's culinary signature is based on what spices are able to eliminate different bacterial strains - hence tropical climates use more spices than cold ones). Second, as peasant lines still do occasionally die off from disease, there should be some method of demoting some of the noble girls (which are the source of genetic diversity in your world) to a lesser rank in order to replenish the lower rungs of your society which must always grow faster than the top. Finally, fear of disease has been found to lead to conservative forms of governance and culture as people tend to reject new things and people which might occasionally bring new diseases. Nit saying that your culture has to take these attributes, just something to think about. So glad to have found your channel, keep up the good work.
Yeah, something I've thought about is aristocratic houses falling from grace and starting brand new peasant lines, and this society does have a built-in way of stripping aristocratic houses of their status. And thanks for mentioning the interesting fact about plants and fungi with antibacterial properties, that's something I'll have to add to this world!
Worldbuilding Notes your welcome, the bit about what spices are used is actually something that I just recently learned from the It's Okay to be Smart UA-cam channel on why we eat spicy food.
Evolution tends to make diseases less deadly over time. Diseases tend to be their most deadly when they jump the species divide (aka they go from their original hosts to humans). If the humans came from different evolutionary tree (aka humans came from Earth and all the plants and animals were created by this planet alien), then disease would be nearly nonexistent, but VERY deadly when it did happen.
So strange to notice a random image of a place near my home town (2:54). Also, I love the detail of these relationships and how you have focused on the linguistic connections. The relationships are strange for our world but makes perfect sense.
Very Interesting! It's nice to see a family structure that are creative instead of drawing from European cultures. Also is this conworld the same as the cold island from your other videos?
When a mother has a child who’s a genetic clone, do the children still mutate over the generations like animals that reproduce asexually in our world, or are they magically ensured to be a perfect copy? If they mutate over time, is this a thing people notice and care about?
Your world building is very inspiring and original and encourages world building for the sake of worldbuilding, which is always great in my eyes. You explain your ideas simply and insightfully and the animation is simple and beautiful. Though worldbuilding is quite an uncommon hobby (sadly), if you keep going with this quality I think this channel will grow. I hope that'll happen.
I was a little sad that the other videos didn't have comments, because I had so many questions XD I do have a question about this one... So ass all the older people die off and new husbands join, is it understood that all the women of the past are also ancestrally his wives? or is the title only relegated to the ones that were currently alive and women that died before are like his inlaws? This is a great channel and I love your world! Can't wait to see more! I'm creating a world for a D&D campaign so I can understand your struggle in somethings but I'm also piggybacking off of the base D&D system so that really helps ^^"
Only the living women are wives, the husbands don't really have any relationship-terns to refer to those women who were dead when they joined. But for the people born to that family, all those dead women are grandmothers, and all the fathers who died before they were born are grandfathers.
What makes this channel so compelling are the concepts you provide us with, and the manner of how you manage to do so. You are the type of person one would genuinely be glad to have a four-hour-long session with regarding the very concept of "plant". You throw your ideas out there, showing them clearly and almost out of the blue, yet somehow, it all fits in with whatever idea is in your mind, and we just get to be the lucky passengers enjoying the ride. Marvellous. I subscribed. This channel definitely deserves more subscribers. Post Scriptum (when are you going to continue with the original Bird Island though?)
Artifexian sent me here. I really gotta say, I love your work and creativity. It's really been helpful for me since I've been making up my own world and stuff. Please keep it up!!!
Super awesome! Great content, you have an incredibly interesting kinship system that I would never be able to come up with!I found you through r/conlangs and am excited to see more!
Is this family system separate from that of your previous video, "The Magic Unsystem?" In that video, you established how certain people had children by stealing magical eggs from birds' nests. Or is that simply a part of the people's folklore? Or, was that video focussing on a different country in this fantasy world?
Yeah, that video was focused on my temperate rainforest island only, because magic in this world is directly manipulable (by humans) in only that one location on the planet.
I can't believe I just found out this channel exists today. The art and the ideas here are amazing and I've been watching all the videos. One question though, since the big monster under the river made all women infertile when they migrated there, and then they got the magic thingy that allows them to clone themselves, does that means that there are different "stocks" of peasants, all looking like the original settlers of the river basin, or do they all look like the exact same person? Also, would that mean that if the whole infertility spell disappeared the population would just inbreed itself to death?
There are different stocks, there were several million people around at the very start, but not all of those genetic lines have survived. And if the spell disappeared, their biggest problem would probably be the dire shortage of men.
What an interesting system! I really love your videos; it’s a really cool way to learn about your world and conlang, which I’m enjoying. I really like the sound of Itlu. Also, very interesting about the separate word to refer to one’s own children; I did that in my own primary conlang and it’s cool to see that someone else had the same idea. I look forward to hearing more!
Yes, these is no in-born distinction between aristocratic women and peasants, their differing ways of reproduction are ultimately the result of social stratification (and in a way, also the result of what is practically feasible, but while stratification was one way to solve the whole problem, it wasn't the only way).
Awesome, but I have a question... how do the peasents call their sisters who are from other mothers? You know, when two mothers interchange babies of about the same age. Do they get an special name, or are just "sisters"?
I have a drawing tablet, so that's what I used. Before I had a tablet, I just drew everything on paper and scanned it in, it's often easier than trying to accomplish things with a computer mouse.
It might be easier to draw out family trees like circles inside of other circles or overlapping other circles? instead of a tree shape more like a giant venn-diagram
Interesting, so terrain, water and atmosphere essentially formed around the egg? Great videos by the way, it's getting me kind of inspired to start reattempting some world building of my own.
It all re-formed around the dead bird, so all the other parts of that egg ended up becoming the material the world is made of. And worldbuilding is really fun, so I definitely recommend getting into it! :D
Hey! I don't know if have heard about the concept of "Walking marriage" but here is a link - I hope you'll find it interesting, Ewa! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo#Walking_marriages
They don't really wait for anyone to die to add one more husband, that tends to be more about who's available and what sort of family connection would be beneficial at that particular moment. And since these are aristocratic families, starting a family would start off with acquiring land that's got a good number of peasants living on it, marriage is more about continuing a family rather than setting it up.
In "The Queens and Their King" video I provide answers to some of these questions. But to answer your last question: a person's status in this society ultimately goes back to whether they have access to queens or not, so if a peasant gained such access, then yes, they could join the ranks of aristocracy.
^_^ thank you. Sorry if i'm annoying but I got another idea that might be somehow constructive. If a commoner has a cousin that is closer to the age of her mother, is the cousin considered to be a tusla or a tote?
I started learning Lojban, thought "What will I even do with this language?" and decided I will make some videos about worldbuilding. Then I noticed that making videos is fun, so I've carried on making them, but not in Lojban anymore, because my English is better than my Lojban.
I really shouldn't be watching these in reverse order. :-) Anyway, here is my question. Why are the aristocrats 80% female? Why not 50%? Evolution would push this population towards a near equal production of men and women each generation. I only see few explanations. 1) Magic makes the women reproduce at a 20/80 ratio. But you fail to mention such magic (Or I missed it). 2) There is something excluding 75% of the aristocratic men from ever taking a place in the aristocratic caste. What filter is stopping the aristocratic boys from becoming aristocratic men? War? Infancide? A very demanding right of passage? If you start with a 50/50 ratio of boys and girls being born and go to 20/80 ratio, something is removing 75% of your boys. 3) The aristocrats adopt a lot of commoner girls. To go from 50% boys/ 50% girls, to 20% boys / 80% girls, that would mean that 75% of your aristocrat women were born as commoner girls. But the pitfall of this solution is that Aristocracy would be growing at MUCH faster rate than your commoners. Eventually everyone would be an aristocrat unless something was killing off the aristocrats as fast as they were adopted in.
My brain exploded.
Found this on /r/worldbuilding. There are some really fascinating ideas here. Good video too! Subscribed for future content.
I was just sent over here by Artifexian. This is the first video I've watched. I just want to tell you how awesome you are and how much I like you already.
Given the low genetic variation, this society is just one bad plague away from being wiped out.
Artifexian sent me, and I'm so glad he did. My head is exploding with ideas! :)
If mothers and daughters are genetically identical how would people prevent disease from completely eradicating families? Especially peasant families. I love the interesting take on families so I would love to know how this system responds to the lack of genetic diversity typical Earth-like familial structures introduce. Keep up the great work!
That's a good question! In-world, this state of affairs has existed for 2000 years, so I'd expect that entire families did get wiped out by disease over the centuries. But their starting point was pretty good: all the original inhabitants came from a very advanced civilisation, so they never had to worry about all the infectious diseases that got eradicated before this particular society came to be.
Worldbuilding Notes if the inhabitants came an advanced civilization that had eliminated many forms of infectious diseases then they will not have immunity built in to them by lack of exposure, by 2000 years that is plenty of time for the bugs to mutate and become deadly. If, as you say, this does occasionally happen: then this would likely be a major fear for your culture with major social implications. First, this would confer great value on the plants and fungi with antibacterial properties (there are studies which show that a culture's culinary signature is based on what spices are able to eliminate different bacterial strains - hence tropical climates use more spices than cold ones). Second, as peasant lines still do occasionally die off from disease, there should be some method of demoting some of the noble girls (which are the source of genetic diversity in your world) to a lesser rank in order to replenish the lower rungs of your society which must always grow faster than the top. Finally, fear of disease has been found to lead to conservative forms of governance and culture as people tend to reject new things and people which might occasionally bring new diseases. Nit saying that your culture has to take these attributes, just something to think about. So glad to have found your channel, keep up the good work.
Yeah, something I've thought about is aristocratic houses falling from grace and starting brand new peasant lines, and this society does have a built-in way of stripping aristocratic houses of their status. And thanks for mentioning the interesting fact about plants and fungi with antibacterial properties, that's something I'll have to add to this world!
Worldbuilding Notes your welcome, the bit about what spices are used is actually something that I just recently learned from the It's Okay to be Smart UA-cam channel on why we eat spicy food.
Evolution tends to make diseases less deadly over time. Diseases tend to be their most deadly when they jump the species divide (aka they go from their original hosts to humans). If the humans came from different evolutionary tree (aka humans came from Earth and all the plants and animals were created by this planet alien), then disease would be nearly nonexistent, but VERY deadly when it did happen.
Ewa: "I will not get into the relationships between members of different households."
Me: Goddamnit!
So strange to notice a random image of a place near my home town (2:54).
Also, I love the detail of these relationships and how you have focused on the linguistic connections. The relationships are strange for our world but makes perfect sense.
Very Interesting! It's nice to see a family structure that are creative instead of drawing from European cultures. Also is this conworld the same as the cold island from your other videos?
It's the same planet, but a different place and a different culture.
You deserve more subs
When a mother has a child who’s a genetic clone, do the children still mutate over the generations like animals that reproduce asexually in our world, or are they magically ensured to be a perfect copy? If they mutate over time, is this a thing people notice and care about?
I have no idea what's going on with the aristocratic family tree but I love it.
Your world building is very inspiring and original and encourages world building for the sake of worldbuilding, which is always great in my eyes. You explain your ideas simply and insightfully and the animation is simple and beautiful. Though worldbuilding is quite an uncommon hobby (sadly), if you keep going with this quality I think this channel will grow. I hope that'll happen.
This is a very impressive kinship system
I was a little sad that the other videos didn't have comments, because I had so many questions XD
I do have a question about this one... So ass all the older people die off and new husbands join, is it understood that all the women of the past are also ancestrally his wives? or is the title only relegated to the ones that were currently alive and women that died before are like his inlaws?
This is a great channel and I love your world! Can't wait to see more!
I'm creating a world for a D&D campaign so I can understand your struggle in somethings but I'm also piggybacking off of the base D&D system so that really helps ^^"
Only the living women are wives, the husbands don't really have any relationship-terns to refer to those women who were dead when they joined. But for the people born to that family, all those dead women are grandmothers, and all the fathers who died before they were born are grandfathers.
I *love* what you're creating here. Always on the look out for well-thought out nontraditional family structures in fiction.
Another amazing video, really interested in the new exploration of the subtropics.
I might have to rewatch this, but you did an excellent job of pacing the video so that the viewers could easily follow. Your charts are helpful too!
That's a really cool family set-up. I'm glad I followed Artifexian's advice to check out your channel.
What makes this channel so compelling are the concepts you provide us with, and the manner of how you manage to do so. You are the type of person one would genuinely be glad to have a four-hour-long session with regarding the very concept of "plant". You throw your ideas out there, showing them clearly and almost out of the blue, yet somehow, it all fits in with whatever idea is in your mind, and we just get to be the lucky passengers enjoying the ride. Marvellous. I subscribed. This channel definitely deserves more subscribers.
Post Scriptum (when are you going to continue with the original Bird Island though?)
Artifexian sent me here. I really gotta say, I love your work and creativity. It's really been helpful for me since I've been making up my own world and stuff. Please keep it up!!!
Super awesome! Great content, you have an incredibly interesting kinship system that I would never be able to come up with!I found you through r/conlangs and am excited to see more!
Joe Weinberg same
This channel deserves 100 K subs
Is this family system separate from that of your previous video, "The Magic Unsystem?" In that video, you established how certain people had children by stealing magical eggs from birds' nests.
Or is that simply a part of the people's folklore?
Or, was that video focussing on a different country in this fantasy world?
Yeah, that video was focused on my temperate rainforest island only, because magic in this world is directly manipulable (by humans) in only that one location on the planet.
this whole universe is teeming with sapphic romance potential
I can't believe I just found out this channel exists today. The art and the ideas here are amazing and I've been watching all the videos.
One question though, since the big monster under the river made all women infertile when they migrated there, and then they got the magic thingy that allows them to clone themselves, does that means that there are different "stocks" of peasants, all looking like the original settlers of the river basin, or do they all look like the exact same person?
Also, would that mean that if the whole infertility spell disappeared the population would just inbreed itself to death?
There are different stocks, there were several million people around at the very start, but not all of those genetic lines have survived. And if the spell disappeared, their biggest problem would probably be the dire shortage of men.
This is so cool
Odd yet interesting.
Also nice accent.
Amazing!
What an interesting system! I really love your videos; it’s a really cool way to learn about your world and conlang, which I’m enjoying.
I really like the sound of Itlu. Also, very interesting about the separate word to refer to one’s own children; I did that in my own primary conlang and it’s cool to see that someone else had the same idea. I look forward to hearing more!
Love dis!~
You have gained 100 subscribers since i found you yesterday, Also this is fascinating, Would Aristocratic women be able to become 'peasant' lines?
Yes, these is no in-born distinction between aristocratic women and peasants, their differing ways of reproduction are ultimately the result of social stratification (and in a way, also the result of what is practically feasible, but while stratification was one way to solve the whole problem, it wasn't the only way).
Oh my god I love this
aaaaaah this is all so coool
Awesome, but I have a question... how do the peasents call their sisters who are from other mothers? You know, when two mothers interchange babies of about the same age. Do they get an special name, or are just "sisters"?
This is a really interesting kinship system, came here from Artifixian lol
hey, great video! How did you make up the characters in computer? I'm struggling with this :(
I have a drawing tablet, so that's what I used. Before I had a tablet, I just drew everything on paper and scanned it in, it's often easier than trying to accomplish things with a computer mouse.
thanks a lot
there seems to be a high risk of inbreeding involved, but maybe I've just misunderstood.
How so? The males are all from separate families
It might be easier to draw out family trees like circles inside of other circles or overlapping other circles? instead of a tree shape more like a giant venn-diagram
You mention that daughters are sometimes traded; would a mother still call an adopted daughter ki-pixluhe?
What part of the giant bird's body do the Itlu live on?
Not any! They live on the part of the planet that has a big continent sitting on top of that bird, around Eurasia-sized.
Interesting, so terrain, water and atmosphere essentially formed around the egg? Great videos by the way, it's getting me kind of inspired to start reattempting some world building of my own.
It all re-formed around the dead bird, so all the other parts of that egg ended up becoming the material the world is made of. And worldbuilding is really fun, so I definitely recommend getting into it! :D
do the people of the river basin have surnames?
if so how do those work
Whoa! :)
What music is this?
Hey! I don't know if have heard about the concept of "Walking marriage" but here is a link - I hope you'll find it interesting, Ewa! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo#Walking_marriages
What is the mythology of this country in English?
When the first husband dies - do they find a new one and thus the cycle continues? or is there some special way of starting a family?
They don't really wait for anyone to die to add one more husband, that tends to be more about who's available and what sort of family connection would be beneficial at that particular moment. And since these are aristocratic families, starting a family would start off with acquiring land that's got a good number of peasants living on it, marriage is more about continuing a family rather than setting it up.
How do the comonners get pregnant? Do they have intimite relationships? What happens if an aristocrat hooks up with a comonner?
Can a comonner become an aristocrat?
In "The Queens and Their King" video I provide answers to some of these questions. But to answer your last question: a person's status in this society ultimately goes back to whether they have access to queens or not, so if a peasant gained such access, then yes, they could join the ranks of aristocracy.
^_^ thank you. Sorry if i'm annoying but I got another idea that might be somehow constructive. If a commoner has a cousin that is closer to the age of her mother, is the cousin considered to be a tusla or a tote?
Which song is it by Kevin MacLeod?
Overheat.
@@WorldbuildingNotes Thank you!
But still very cool video
Wow, you're right. That was super complicated and I'm glad I don't live in a society like this lol
My head hurts
Sorry to ask, but whats with the snake tongue in the first few videos?
The snake tongue?
Lojban
I mean, it's nifty, but why? XD
I started learning Lojban, thought "What will I even do with this language?" and decided I will make some videos about worldbuilding. Then I noticed that making videos is fun, so I've carried on making them, but not in Lojban anymore, because my English is better than my Lojban.
I mean these are very good video with great ideas, but the language barrier is kinda hard to get over XD
Idk, if not for Lojban, I would have never made those videos to begin with.
Sakni reminds me alot of my name XD
look at that non existent like to dislike ratio
I really shouldn't be watching these in reverse order. :-)
Anyway, here is my question. Why are the aristocrats 80% female? Why not 50%? Evolution would push this population towards a near equal production of men and women each generation. I only see few explanations.
1) Magic makes the women reproduce at a 20/80 ratio. But you fail to mention such magic (Or I missed it).
2) There is something excluding 75% of the aristocratic men from ever taking a place in the aristocratic caste. What filter is stopping the aristocratic boys from becoming aristocratic men? War? Infancide? A very demanding right of passage? If you start with a 50/50 ratio of boys and girls being born and go to 20/80 ratio, something is removing 75% of your boys.
3) The aristocrats adopt a lot of commoner girls. To go from 50% boys/ 50% girls, to 20% boys / 80% girls, that would mean that 75% of your aristocrat women were born as commoner girls. But the pitfall of this solution is that Aristocracy would be growing at MUCH faster rate than your commoners. Eventually everyone would be an aristocrat unless something was killing off the aristocrats as fast as they were adopted in.
They are born at a 20/80 ratio! And I do mention in the video that it is due to magical reasons. It's at 2:17
Thank you for answering. I honestly missed it.
Thanks! Just had this thought and went looking through the comments to see if there was an answer lol.