How we stop cement ruining the climate
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Our carbon emissions are overwhelmingly from our use and generation of energy, which means that our response to the climate crisis largely needs to be the decarbonisation of energy, specifically ending our dependence on fossil fuels. However, around one quarter of all our emissions come from other processes, one of the largest of which is construction. These emissions are mostly from cement production, due to the nature of making cement.
In this video I shine a light on one company - LEILAC - who are developing what I think is a realistic, scalable solution to this problem. Which, in what may be a surprise to some, involves carbon capture technology. I also ask how a company has made a business model out of preventing carbon emissions, and what this tells us about how capitalism can respond to the climate crisis.
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Video about cement production, cement CO2 emissions, cement carbon emissions, how cement is ruining the climate. In this video I talk about unavoidable carbon emissions, and a fringe case that calls for the use of carbon capture technology, and look at a company providing carbon capture technology called LEILAC. If you like video essays about climate change from Wendover, Real Engineering, Smarter Every Day, It's OK to be Smart, or Veritasium, you'll enjoy this fun science video about carbon capture.
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The craziest thing is that there are complete factories and companies dedicated to produce CO2 for our usage in other industries, like food for carbonated beverages or construction for welding. How it is not economical to recover really pure CO2 from processes like these and sell them as a by-product is mind boggling to me.
Idk about CO2 in the air, but CO2 in fossil fuels sure should be economical to do
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Do chemistry and physics to understand the "dangers" of CO2!
Not sure about the economy but I know they do it, known as BECCS.
pretty sure economics and food safety play a role
Listening to these guys talk about the ETS makes me very mad that Australia's carbon tax got steamrolled by politics. The reality in my country, and so many others, is that large corporations have politicians and the public by the nuts, and refuse to let go. Any form of environmental reform comes with a superstorm of right wing 'unbiased analysis' that's funded by the richest people and companies on the planet. I seriously hope that Australia can find a method of using a carbon tax/ETS to properly encourage a switch to sustainability, that won't become a political suicide.
I lost my job retrofitting low income houses with energy saving technologies when Tony Abbott removed the carbox tax.
In Oz Fitting Pink Batts eg insulation in house rooofs is still a good idea, but due to politics it is toxic and Labour will never do it again.
If done right, as well as good house design are all tools to reduce energy usage
@@robertvesetas8751 never is a long time to not have ceiling insulation. This isn't rocket science, if we can't insulate our houses in Australia, time to completely give up, Rob. All that's needed is a layer of separation from a direct government program. A grants scheme, for example, where WHS requirements are a part of the grant. Not hard!
@@carlbennett2417 totally agree,, WHS issues can be resolved if devolved from govn and a more methodical approach is taken. I had my AU house roof and a new studio wall/roof insulated at my cost as it was the right thing to do to save energy and make it more liveable. Cheers
What's funny is this video is showing the creation of a new industry working very closely with government, and they will (eventually) work jointly against the public interest. The corporations that people complain about having undue influence over government were typically uninterested in government until regulators began threatening. The end result is these corporations become a source of revenue for politicians/bureaucrats, and legislation quickly becomes a means to sustain that revenue (and the corporations it flows from).
This format reminds me of a Tom Scott video, which I sincerely hope you’ll take as a compliment! I’d love to see more of this!
As a civil engineering graduate, the problem too is improper planning by clients eg new deisgns making the building last for 30 years instead of 50 or more.
While designing structures for 30 years uses less resources and affordable initially, the maintenance and renovation required after 30 years could easily wipe out affordability and sustainability.
also designing ugly buildings that can't be retrofitted easily for other uses.
In general the issue is how incentives work in our economy. Construction being this cheap means that people are unlikely to design buildings to be long lasting because whenever someone new takes them over they're likely to just tear them down and build a new one, instead of retrofitting the old one. This is of course a vicious cycle because this also means that new owners have to tear down buildings because they were not designed to stay up for long. It's much more sustainable if we build buildings to stand for a long time and keep upgrading them to match current usage rather than build new every time. Part of this actually comes down to car dependency, it's really hard to retrofit something like a mall for any other uses than as a mall so if for whatever reason that mall can't be used anymore it basically has to be torn down. Denser urban design would instead encourage mixed use development which is far easier to keep using, an apartment complex with shops on the street level can be turned to almost any use. Similarly if a city grows and thus land values rise you basically can't do anything with a suburban home other than tear it down and build apartments in it's place.
However it's not the entire problem and we also need regulation to try to encourage more sustainable usage of construction. The issue of course is that there's a lot of money in construction so that'll be difficult, but that is part of the general issue with incentives.
Really enjoyed the more in depth look at climate solutions, more of this please!
This video's great, thanks for doing an in-depth video on a specific issue, and what is being done to alleviate it, it really does mean that there's something to look forward to.
I just wanted to thank you sir for taking your time to make these educational and informative videos.
One of the huge obstacles to alternatives to cement is the shear volume of cement that is used (as mentioned at 10:20). The current alkali-activated materials that are comparable to cement in performance (GGBS, PFA and Calcined Clays) simply don't exist in large enough quantities to replace all the cement we use. As they mentioned as well (10:40), the construction industry is very slow to change, which is necessary when building things that are meant to last 100 years or more. Which contractor would take on the risk of using a material that has only existed for 15 years to build a structure meant to last 50? That contractor would be liable for any failure during the design life of that structure.
There is a similar problem with roads. Currently we make roads using bitumen and crushed stone (tarmac and bitmac refer to coal tar and stone macadam and the later bitumen and stone macadam). Bitumen is a by-product of the petroleum industry, and we currently don't have a product as cheap or available in such quantities that has the same properties of the bitumen (it needs to be solid enough to support the weight of vehicles but flexible enough to absorb impacts without cracking. Just look at the issues solar roadways ran into when they tried to use a brittle material like glass for a road surface). If we want to reduce production of petroleum, we need to find an alternative for building roads as well.
One plus side to cement is that it absorbs carbon dioxide over the life-time of a structure (see Carbonation of Concrete). This increases the strength of the cement, but it also leads to corrosion of any steel reinforcement in the concrete. There are ways to manage this for the design life of the structure, but it is interesting to think that cement made using CCS could actually be a net carbon sink over the life-time of the material.
11:22 "This Century we have to balance idealism and realism" -Simon Clark, 2022.
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I like how you focused on a specific facet of climate change prevention in this video.
Thank you Simon... You are very generous with your wisdom and insights on our demise as a species...
We could use hydrogen generated by electrolysis using electricity from renewables or nuclear, and combine it with CO2 from making cement to make jet fuel. That doesn't completely solve the issue of CO2 given off when making cement, but it does mean we can eliminate the CO2 given off by airplanes burning fossil fuels
3 birds one limestone, I like your thinking x)
or we can simply ignore all of this energy expenditure to feel better and virtue signal and grow plants to recapture the carbon in a natural process that costs almost nothing and works on its own ....
@@KT-pv3kl growing plants is not a magical solution. It's not even a solution.
However, stopping deforestation is indeed part of the solution
@@YounesLayachi nobody claims it's magical other than you. it is however millions of times more energy efficient than using chemical reactions to capture the carbon.
@@KT-pv3kl It's not millions of times more efficient. Chemical capture is actually vastly more efficient than plants.
Where does it get stored? How? Is there any way to split the co2
What happens after the carbon is captured? Is there a use/reliable storage?
Yes, the S part of CCS is not being addressed adequately - the reality is that the availability of secure CO2 storage is pretty limited and geographically constrained - and the cost of the transport and compression to pump it to the storage site is an important part of the economics and in many cases will need collaboration amongst industrial clusters and significant government support.
Just found this channel, between a degree in Botany, Simon & Sabine hossenfelder, I feel like I can improve my climate competence. Somehow these two physicists are damn good at teaching this stuff.
Very grateful :>
There are also other potential alternatives such as biological concrete but those are very expensive. Also steel faces a very similar issues but ideas for negative carbon steel have actually been proposed, however they rely on the idea of a hydrogen based economy which is not that safe a bet.
This has been on my mind recently. And oil derivatives used in everything everywhere. All lubrication for instance.
Lubrication will stay when we go green, we need it and its' contribution is small.
what actually happens to the C02 captured using this method?
The smallish PassivHaus dwellings I've been working on desperately need a clean, or cleaner, concrete!
The thermal mass & resistance of ICF to moisture/pest/natural disaster/etc damage are so far beyond the capabilities of any other building system, & they are pretty DIY-friendly/fast in labor. Could sustain habitince for hundreds of years with minimal energy or maintenance...
...but the initial carbon cost is impossible to ignore, & kinda makes all the other "sustainability" aspects less impressive to people who only consider the few years they might live in a home.
Then again, we use loads of cement for things that absolutely do not need to be constructed with it. Could at least start there.
Could you take a look into geoengineering and potential of spraying sulfur dioxide into atmosphere as a possible way to give us more time to reduce carbon emissions?
cool to see this company getting attention :) they've been doing good things
This video is so important I'm leaving a comment to help algorithm to notice it. Keep such great and important work! 😊
That is a very good and pragmatic way of dealing with such issues. I have the same opinion on those issue. I would say the same about Hydrogene (H2) production: there are good way of using it and bad way. For example: put H2 in a car is not a good way forward. It should be used for remaining tractors, specific trucks that are needed and ambulances as there are too heavy for battery for the moment and it should be used for Decarbonization of other industries similar to this one.
Anyway, this is a Systemic issue. There is no simple solution and the whole system should be thought of.
As far as I know CO² is great fertilizer for plants how about working on a tech to capture it in solid state that can be dissolved in water to fertilize the plants?
You could heat the tube by use of geothermal energy for cement production. That way there is no CO2 emissions emissions.
I've seen a few videos talking about CO2 being released in the production of cement, however they all seem to overlook the fact that during the setting process it absorbs CO2 from the air. I'm not sure if that fully cancels out the amount expelled in manufacturing, but I find it odd that it's not mentioned at all.
The timescale at which concrete set is in decades to centuries, not a great idea plan around it.
But that would be a fun plot point for a sci-fi book : "We forgot that the geological amount of concrete we used absorbed CO2, after humanity to to go carbon neutral, centuries later the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere dropped and no plant can grow anymore."
@@VaasrefRight! Thanks for reminding me of that. And wow, yeah, we could end up a snow ball planet again! 😅
The ideal solution regarding construction is to influence policy until most projects are designed for humans rather than cars. I think the "we're never going to build less or differently" attitude just puts dollar signs in the eyes of anyone who wants to build a new suburb or another lane on a highway. We already have what we need. It's the capitalism you mentioned that gives us things we don't need. We should decide what is unavoidable, not petroleum-dependent industries.
Also, one of the best ways is just to use less cement.
You can build a big, 5 story multifamily housing unit with 20-30% of the usual concrete if you use laminated timber.
Also saves a fuckton of steel, which is also very carbon intensive ... all while being carbon-negative on the most significant timeframe, which is "right fucking now".
Shifting emissions 100 years into the future is the next best thing after eliminating them, because by then we will have better mitigation and will be carbon negative. Or not be around anymore, which also makes any downside moot.
Video's like this one give me hope ❤
Just imagine how cool it would be if humanity succeeds in its 1.5 - 2°C goal by combining all its forces and talents.
Maybe in lala land
@@bobkane432 Not in lalaland but in a world much more inconvenient that actual one. The only solution is to make our lifes much less comfortable, and being accepted by everyone in a good mood. But that' s soo difficult...
@@moldrientube Will I have to give up my dog
"There is no cost to emitting green house gasses, and so no incentive to not do so."
This is really the crux of it. Emissions need to be costly. Carbon taxes and equivilant strategies are the easiest way to do that, but SOMETHING needs to be done. Environmental degredation has real monetary costs to society, on the order of trillions of dollars. We need to financially incetivice companies to reduce their impact and otherwise, when it's not possible to reduce, recoup those costs to society in order to fund all of the environmental and societal repairs that will be needed as a result of our impacts.
It is definitely a hard sell though, especially compared to things like subsidies. People prefer to get free money for doing a good thing rather than be punished for doing a bad thing. It's hard to tell people that your new tax plan is going to make *everything* more expensive across the board, since just about everything relies on carbon emmitting processes. But subsidies are too easy to be politicized and to be targeted at special interests, to have special carve outs for other interests, or to entirely fail to subsidize various lesser known innovations. Putting a price on emissions means that every improvement anyone makes, of any kind, directly lowers their costs; since costs would be passed on to consumers, it would mean that there would be a real competitive advantage to a company which produces the same product with fewer emissions.
i really liked this video, it felt somewhat unique
it involved less idealism and a lot more realism. even as a staunch anticapitalist myself, i still understand that we cannot reply on the overthrow of capitalism in order to save the climate in time. which is important cuz usually a lot of policies proposed, while completely rational, seem nearly impossible to be passed under capitalist governments
A carbon tax seems on the more likely side and we must organize and push relentlessly until it is passed, at least in Europe, North America and Australia, as thats where most of your audience is i imagine
Keep up the awesome work!!
Correct me if I'm wrong on this one, I seem to remember an video from Undecided from a good while back about how some types of cement can be "decarbonized" by actually adding pure carbon to the mix, it does *something* to the chemistry
Anyone looking for more hopeful videos about technologies and companies trying to find ways to make the world more eco-friendly, definitely check out that channel!
0:55 what about the dots?
10:32 Wood wouldn't work with places that experience hurricane/monsoon seasons. It would just cause too much damage too quickly
You might be surprised. Strength is not an issue. It’s how you build them that counts. ua-cam.com/video/cSYbwwofCKQ/v-deo.html
@@robinhodgkinson Ok I suppose but there's also the issue of how expensive it is to do that as well as circulation for warmer climates would have to worked out locally but I have less doubts now
@@micayahritchie7158 Sure. Like every new tech there’s other issues to sort out. I guess we’ll see how it goes…
There's at least a trillion tons of in place unused concrete. It often blights the land. Surely there's some recoverable value?
concrete is extremely difficult to recycle effectively unfortunately. but even if you could do that it wouldn't matter because we'd still need a lot more beyond that
Anybody thinking we have enough time and enough determination isn't paying sufficient attention!!
So where is this Carbon going to be stored?
Use a nuclear molten-salt reactor, and you can use the heat to make the cement.
Interesting. But it lacks something, the elephant in the room. Let's say it captures CO2 : where does it go? What is it turned into?
16:26 orange pill 🧡
Well done, Simon.
Hey simon the problem what i think is even if these decarbonising technologies in various sectors can be made cheaper in future. They will only be made cheaper for developed countries as research and innovation is only going on here. The developing and poor countries wont be able to afford decarbonising technologies and will be eventually penalised by developed world for that thus making dveloping countries poorer compared to developed countries and make decarbonisation a tool for diciding world and eventually increase the earth's tempreature. This research for decarbonising technologies should continue until its affordable as per parity of all countries.
or we could just stop imperializing countries so the don't need to wait for technologies to become cheaper
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Did not expect to see you recommend Not Just Bikes at the end there, awesome! :D
I've never been adverse to carbon capture technology per se. However, it's all about the application. There are applications, like that mentioned in your video, and probably some other industries as well, where it does make sense, at least for now. There's also the fact that if we develop better technology we can use to replace the fossil fuels with, we will no longer require the carbon capture technology. That will be a big step up. Until then, this is a great idea, and thanks for sharing it.
I do find it bizarre that there are all these adoring comments about this account despite the fact that there is no mention of where all this CO2 if captured is ‘put’, ‘stored’, ‘disposed of’, however you want to put it. It’s all so slick yet seemingly fatuous? Strange.
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Modem civilization is a HEAT Engine...not our fault
this really felt like a tom scott video
12:50 Germany gonna need a lot of nuclear power to do that.
And while we're figuring out cement for building needed infrastructure, there's also no law preventing cement from going towards infrastructure projects that won't help us to reach climate goals.
And you expect the people we elect to represent us are going to change this?
@@mrunning10 no but I think Simon Clark does... Or at least his UA-cam persona does.
"...zero emissions fuels such as...biomass" [?] Since when is wood a zero emissions fuel? It produces more CO2 per unit of energy than coal.
well it's renewable so you plant a tree in it's place and it absorbs the CO2 that another tree produces whereas you can't replant coal
@@dropyourself that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life, or at least this morning. A single tree would take 50 years to capture a portion of the carbon released by burning a tree's worth of wood, and that also doesn't include all the emissions related to processing and harvesting and transporting wood
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From what I understand, the cement-creation problem is going to solve itself simply because we'll run out of viable SAND (maybe limestone too?) long before we create all the necessary infrastructure and new buildings for climate change. We can't pave our way out of the inconvenience of safely housing waaaaaay too many people, even for more capitalism. Have a nice day.
Tell him he's dreaming.
The distinction here is not that meaningful, and several arguments made here are inducing massive cringe, as an architect. because "cement is used everywhere" isn't necessarily true, it's easy to use, and is used everywhere because of that. Cement has a heavy impact on climate how ever it is made and is not used only where needed. It's used everywhere where CONVENIENT. Which is part of the problem.
Alternative fuels will still emit CO2. Cement use should be first and foremost used sparsely. Like energy.
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First we stop building skyscrapers :D
Noooo skyscrapers are cooooollll
Plus other buildings use cement too UwU
Antigrowth coalition pumping out the vids
no it's the not wanting billions of people displaced from their homes coalition
@Riley Brophy they won't. Follow the money. Companies and billionaires still investing money in places that supposedly are predicted to be underwater in a few years so yeah they know its just fear mongering.
We can do everything without capitalism
Any route for effective decarbonisation should be explored, even carbon capture. But options that the fossil fuel industry (and others) may try to use to continue to justify their fossil fuel use should be highly regulated in those cases, with proof that they are accomplishing the goals they say they are going to.
Carbon capture is not the problem here, and shouldn't be ignored as a possible option we may still need; the problem is the use of fossil fuels and no verification methods that forced fossil fuel companies to reach those carbon capture goals or at the very least pay the price for any defecit.
Wow, so many statements in a single comment that are just simply WRONG.
Explored? Nope, carbon capture is the one of the two solutions that both must be undertaken to solve this.
Highly regulated? Screw that. The only funding to solve this mess is to carbon tax the living shit out of fossil fuels.
Proof? Ignore that shit. ANYTHING the fossil fuel industry does is INCREASE the co2 in our atmosphere. IGNORE IT. Focus ONLY on the necessary TRANSITION.
Ignored? what the fuck you talking about? Carbon Capture is the ONLY solution to get the Keeling Curve back down to under 280ppm.
'no verification methods?' what the fuck you talking about? The Keeling Curve tells all.
you a bot from fossil fuel lobby perhaps? you make no fucking SENSE.
Calling carbon capture dirty is like calling a rubbish bin dirty because it just encourages people to produce more rubbish. For God's sake, enough with the ideology. Just keep all options open and evaluate them from a purely financial standpoint. Nuclear? Terraforming (other than all the CO2 we are pumping into the air)? Carbon Capture? RUN THE MATHS, NOT THE POLITICS.
Carbon capture is a band aid solution that doesn't solve the problem and nuclear is cheaper, safer, and produces less carbon than a coal plant with carbon capture and pointing that out isn't ideology
@@dropyourself So what? It's a solution, and it's faster to implement that nuclear. That's the good thing about band aids, they are emergency first aid.
1000 degree knife vs Climate Change.
Seriously, enough with this climate change alarmism nonsense.
Seriously, pull your head out of the sand.
Ey lets make some biogas. From poop! I know it's not the cleanest renewable but it's better then just having diarrhea on the floor.
When do we get your perspective on crazies throwing soup on paintings? LOL
I love how Simon used his UA-cam channel about cutting carbon emissions to buy a house and probably in the future have kids, two of the most carbon emitting activities. Do as I say, not as I do 😂 At least he flies less than he used to I guess?
Oh shut up. Simon would have had a house and kids regardless of what he does for a living. At least he's doing something to help the climate situation, unlike you. Sorry to be testy, but I don't like you implying that Simon is a hypocrite. He's not.
My thoughts:
Ahh, yes okay so... mhmmm
cement does - okay cool got it
The required technology is available. The real question is: Will our political leaders enact the required legislation to force businesses to adopt the required technology? Here is the US, many Democrats want to do the right thing, but it is an uphill battle against the science-denying Republicans. The odds don't look very good. If we couldn't convince people to wear a mask to prevent the spread of COVID, how are we going to ask them to face the required economic challenges of going green?
democrats want to do the right thing? bro they gutted THEIR OWN CLIMATE BILL, democrats are there to give the illusion of choice, both parties are climate change deniers in practice
@@afgor1088 You may be right. Democrats are pretty pathetic. Considering they are the US's best hope for turning things around,... well.... that is really depressing.... Not much hope for humanity....
@@normzemke7824 they're not the best hope
We should get china to do all the building, there a dab hand at building concrete structures, with no concrete
Why are you blaming capitalism? No economic system inherently factors in carbon emissions, or any emissions.
You can be anti-capitalist if you want but it serves not purpose to blame it here.
There is no short term financial cost to emitting therefore its profitable to
@@josephcannon3938 It wouldn't be any different under a socialist or communist, or any other country.
These are policy issues not economic ones.
@@matsurifan but that's the point no? In a capitalist society policy is closer tied to free market pressures.
Yeah, to solve this we need all the help we can get. But a doubt in me remained, what are they going to do with the CO2 they capture in this plant? how are they going to permanently store it?
A very good question! This is a video in itself probably, but as with many of these capture technologies you can effectively pump the CO2 into a rock formation and chemically lock it into the rock structure. There are other solutions, but I think this is the most common one.
@@SimonClark I'm no scientist but that sounds difficult and risky, so I look forward to this video if you do end up making it!!
I was always fascinated by the "Cement laboratory" in our unis engineering department. Really wanted to find out what was going on in there but never had the courage to pry.
what uni?
In a way I'm glad I'm so socially inept. Whenever I see someone doing something interesting, I would just go up to them and start asking them what they were doing and shit. The majority of the time, people were happy to talk about their shit unless they were super busy.
I've learned to back off some though, but I still can't help myself sometimes.
Cement Engineers tend to be malleable if you catch them early, but firm and unyielding later in the day.
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Cement is one of the most tested and experimented upon materials in the world so they were probably doing a ton of tests. I think the only material we know as much about might be steel but that's also partly due to it's use in reinforced concrete which of course brings us back to cement.
When you click on it so fast that an HD version hasn't even finished rendering in youtube so you have to watch it in dirty 480p.
Better for the environment, I guess so there's that.
Also, first.
@@PigletCNC Also you were not first. I opened the video before you wrote this and only saw it after accidentally reloading :P
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I'm glad you made the distinction between different applications of carbon capture. It is one I hadn't learned much about.
I just finished an internship at the US's National Renewable Energy Laboratory- idk if you're interested in it, but the use of supplementary-cementing materials (SCM) sourced from waste-lignin, is also something that's really cool and interesting to look into! These use less energy, and sequester carbon in the form of the biomass used.
You made an optical illusion 😍
From 1:00, I keep seeing the circles (that are not there) in between the squares.
We were wondering how long it would take for someone to notice! Completely unintentional but very cool
I like the angle presented, that there are building codes and standards. Something that needs a lot of explenation in unis for enthusiastic students. I am a trained civil engineer, and I love that Austria is building many public housing projects from wood these days. But bridges from wood often can't carry the load of large trucks, so concrete with cement is neccessary. Thanks for shedding light on this!
Vox just made a video on wood sky scrapers which was good, I think I watched one from the b1m aswell. They seem like a pretty good solution
That will be a slow change. Trust needs to be built, which can only really happen decades after a few projects are built that last the test of time. New training also needs to be done which adds complexity to projects.
Good thing that there are technologies that can capture pure CO2 at the source of the emission. I just hope Simon Clark can in the future post one video where he goes one step further and tell us what they do (or will do ) with that CO2 they pretend to capture.
I just wish I knew what happens to the Co2 after it's being captured.
Same. That is the part that is severely lacking in this video.
Yepp If is stays in gas form is doesn't seem stable over time, if fixated in some chemical it can't really be the cement production so what reaction would be used? The reaction CO2 => C + O2 would be nice.
@@PennyAfNorberg There are ways of storing it underground so that it doesn't leak out. CO2 can be reacted with certain minerals to form a stable mineral carbonate that will hold the CO2 permanently. CO2 --> C + O2 would require insane amounts of energy.
That's what the video should have been about. We all know already from school-level chemistry that a cement plant is a CO2 factory. The video starts with the mystery that these businesses are throwing their product away instead of selling it, but then tells us nothing whatsoever about why, except 'capitalism'.
@@incognitotorpedo42 I'm sure there are quite a few niches out there that take CO2 as input material for industrial (and other) processes. If I'm not mistaken the price of it as a product to be used has already gone up and supply gone down (probably due to rising energy costs and it no longer being produced as a byproduct while halting production in other sectors?). As more energy gets supplied by renewables in an ideal future the reduction in CO2 as a byproduct would hopefully even make it valuable enough to capture for those not legally required to do so by law, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Here in the Netherlands the government agency responsible has had a shortage of CO2 gas to timely execute their policy to euthanise chickens at farms where avian influenza has been found, or maybe it was the extra nearby "highest risk" area farms that used to be culled as well. Can't remember that specific detail, but I do know that they haven't had enough available for their usual process. Some of that might be not having planned for the avian influenza season from the past seems to turn into a year round neverending problem.
And it's often used as "inert gas" for long lasting food packaging too, still not a fan of the plastic wrapping around it to contain that CO2 so in addition to permanent inert storage I'd consider ideal there are also still other uses for it. Plenty of other actually stupid uses too, like shipping cold goods not in a climate controlled vehicle but those foam insulated box and dry ice to keep it cool just letting it sublimate into the atmosphere.
The fun bit about cement is that once it begins setting it actively absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere (about 50% of what is released in the calcination reaction). Using CCS on it is one of the few relatively efficient ways of doing direct air capture (as it is a byproduct of other necessary actions).
Why only 50%? Do you mean there is free calcium oxide even in fully cured concrete? Or do you mean half of the CO2 comes from the fuel burning and half comes from converting calcium carbonate to calcium oxide?
@@gregorymalchuk272 The concrete isn't perfect in completing the absorption. It will reverse entirely if you ground it down and expose it to the air for long enough, but that rarely happens.
9:40 I'm glad you're finally making the distinction between DAC and industrial CCS, but your stance still isn't quite correct. Carbon neutral (or negative) energy production from natural gas is absolutely possible, just not economical. I doubt that it will play a significant role, especially not in todays fuel markets, but I still hate it when youtubers propagate points that might be right in spirit, but factually wrong.
Edit: also unpriced externalities aren't an inherent property of capitalism. I get that it's hip to badmouth capitalism these days, but people were overhunting, deforesting, and dumping waste long before capitalism was even a concept. There's a reason that the usual example for the tragedy of the commons is a pasture.
the tragedy of the commons were in several studies empircally proven to be false for a majority of people... the reason it is "hip" to "badmouth" capitalism is because of the economic growth paradigm that it is build upon that is now threatening to break several planetary boundaries.. not only a changing climate by chaning the composition of the atmosphere.. but also biodiversity loss, water usage, soil degradation etc... of course these phenomenons are interrelated..youre right that in human history people most of the time behaved in an unsustainable fashion.. they depleted one resource and moved to another.. but now there is an extreme incentive to change this behavior as a continuation is threatining the existence of human civilization in known form and humans have also historically proven an ability to change behavior and adapt if there was a necessity to do it... a recent example would be the Covid19- pandemic.. capitalism is an economic system that builds upon unsustainable human traits like greed, enabling the fastest way of capital accumulation and push for maximum growth... it worked for a while but now its facing serval limits... we either have to find a way to decouple GDP growth from increasing resource usage (impossible) or we look at other human traits besides greed and overexploitation and aim for another economic system that incentivizes sustainable behaviors by exploring new ways of increasing welfare besides increasing consumption...
@@Danycuraj wow you listed just about every social media talking point in a single paragraph, using ellipses instead of periods. If you aren't 12 you should at least make an effort to be taken seriously.
I have neither the time nor the will to discuss why the real world is too nuanced for your points to be correct, so all I can leave you with is some personal experience I've gained: If you make an honest effort to actually understand the systems that govern our world instead of focusing on what feels right, you will stop thinking of it in terms of good vs. evil (where you're obviously the good underdog) and will be a lot happier and more at peace with yourself.
@@majorfallacy5926 "actually understand the systems that govern our world" hahahaha. thats a good one, i missed this line on the first reading. are u gonna explain it to me with one of your outdated theories? :D
What's done with the the CO2 after it's captured?
We can eat it
You are a literal hero, Simon
Dear Simon, when you blame capitalism for climate change, I feel like it is a bit dishonest, given that Soviet Russia, which was a socialist nation, e.g. in 1985 produced 16.4 tonnes of CO2 per capita per year, (according to our world in data) compared with the 19.8 tonnes for the US in the same year, which is very similar overall. What I mean to say here is that any social system that tries to somehow optimise well-being is going to run into these problems. I think it may just be in our nature to use these easily available methods of energy production, no matter the political system. Therefore, I am really sceptical that we can really make a lot of progress trying to solve climate change by trying very risky large social transformations.
Im not sure if the channel has covered modern wood structures, it is a really cool topic in itself. They can and are building safe and increasingly large structures from the stuff.
The guys in the video probably arnt strictly wrong: There isnt enough of the right type of wood at the right costs for it replace cement on the time scales we need it to.
Though they are direct competitors so I certainly wouldnt trust Leilac on the issue, no their arnt all the codes in place for wood structures, but they are already being put in place, and the cement industry has grossly downplayed the positive results of wood under strain and in fires. Even the cost, though itd prohibit a broad roll out of wood, can be made up for as wood is much lighter and faster to put together.
Again, I dont think wood is going to overtake cement in the next century at least and we still need people like Leilac, but wood could be a big contributor to reducing CO2 even in the fairly short term, and it probably deserves its own video with a less biased and more complete analysis.
Correction to your comment:
*It'll need another video with a wood-favoring biased look that acknowledges said bias.
Could you explain why all the CO2 emitted by the calcination reaction isn't absorbed again when the cement hardens? Because cement *does* absorb CO2 as it hardens. It's the same reaction, just in reverse. Is there some principle that makes it only absorb, say, 80% of the emitted CO2. (Picking a number completely at random.)
Can we talk about the pollution shifting? Much of the west has been "de-carbonizing". As a result many of the high paying jobs have gone to China. China has been increasing manufacturing and increasing their contribution to CO2. China is now the leading producer of CO2 so we can feel good. Why do we not invest in relatively cheap nuclear power? Much cheaper and land efficient than solar and wind power. Not to mention a much lower environmental impact.
Ngl, I hate the vision of "development" which involves 4x more cement. Even if it is carbon free cement.
Our ecocide isn't just climate change... It's also manual ecosystem destruction.
Alternative title: How to stop cementing climate change
"Climate buckshot" astutely describes how we should approach matters with climate change, great video Simon
It would be a fine idea to at least consider thousands of approaches, but most of them will not turn out to be worth the money. In the end, we will have a relatively small number of great solutions and those can be replicated all over the world.
Thanks for this great video Simon. Really interesting. I realise that it is better than burning fossil fuels, but surely biomass is not a 'zero-emissions' fuel as Daniel Rennie says at one point? Isn't biomass wood or have I got this wrong?
Agreed, as far as I know, biomass is just regular fossil fuel like coal.
@@xWood4000 I don't think it's a 'fossil' fuel, as it's current living matter which is just cut down, but burning biomass surely releases CO2, just not as much as coal, gas etc. It has been a big greenwash to call it a 'green', renewable fuel. However, I am ready to be corrected if I have understood what this guy is saying wrongly...
@@debbiet5130 You have it right. I was a bit surprised to hear biomass as one of the options, given how bad of a solution it is.
why did he not mention the use of sand it is also part of the problem
I don't think it's fair to say ccs is inherently good or bad. In this case CCS is the only available way to build concrete infrastructure and we decided we can't do without it, but CCS is also used in context of businesses where CCS should not be the answers (e.g. fossil fuel power plants), so i think regulations should be strict and constantly updated with state-of-the-art knowlege and technology.
What criterion should be estabilished to differentiate different kinds of CCS?
Not necessarily true that CCS is the only way to build concrete infrastructure. Geopolymers, alkali-activated cements, can be entirely fossil free and up to 70% more affordable, as plentiful, and with superior physical characteristics. Non-cement concrete structural solutions, like gabion walls, 'concrete cloth' contained berms, engineered wood instead of concrete, gravel-and-matrix pavement, and on and on are also great options depending on application.
Carbon cure is under 2% of the mass of CO2 emitted in conventional OPC. The best direct carbon capture reduces overall emissions in making an OPC concrete at most 12%, and diverts resources that could have been applied to direct air capture just so OPC gets a leg up on alternatives.
@@bartroberts1514 thank you for your insight, the video didn't take into account those alternatives. I feel tho that i had a point right: wherever there's no alternative, regulations must be strict in order to avoid ccs leaking into sectors where there are alternatives
We need hemp-crete, legalize hemp!
I know this isn't mainly an engineering or construction channel, but a video on mass timber as a potential replacement for concrete in tall buildings would be real interesting :)
As a Structural engineer, Timber is a weird material for the modern world. It doesnt meet fire regulations, its not particularly carbon Friendly (despite what seems logical sense) it hasnt got particularly great commercial lifespan, it degrades non uniformally and to UV, its often treated with epoxy and other plasitcs/resins. the growth of high quality structural timber is also more tricky to source as trees are growing faster than before (more Co2 in the atmosphere) so the use of low grade timber is required or very wasteful Glulam systems (laminated timbers) meaning you use between to 2-3 trees worth of timber for a higher grade beam vs a single high grade tree. not to mention the trees only lock in the CO2 for the construction lifespan (50 years typically) and recertifying timber products doesnt meet the stringent legislation that we have.
stupid safety laws have made concrete the best material commercially for anything taller than 3 stories... loosen the legislation, allow for more fire risk and we could use things other than concrete
@@anthonylulham3473 I was on the verge of giving you a thumbs up, but, "allow for more fire risk"? Really?
@@anthonylulham3473 i think the best use of trees in construction would be to build treehouses.
Has anybody around here heard of a ‘lab-grown’ mushroom mycelium material being used as a building material? I read something about this in the last few years but idk where to point as the source.
Although this story has a good thing to say about concretes future as a building material I think there’s a huge downside associated with the burden of concrete on the environment when buildings are demolished, because the material is virtually unrecyclable ( tell me if I’m wrong), decomposes very slowly, and as it does, the leaching of the constituent parts plays havoc on the water table, and soil quality, and air quality when very small bits get circulating- highly toxic to anything that breathes or cleans its own fur or feathers without a loofah.
Think of all the buildings destroyed in the Ukraine that now have to be cleaned up, and the costs energy wise of moving this huge amount of incredibly heavy material to landfills.
Just in case you were running out of ideas for future podcasts!
Posted by not-mardon from Canada, day 18/23
@@Laurencemardon I think that the mycelium bricks are closer in properties to wood rather than stone, and then more like ply or MDF because of the amorphous growth unlike the timber that has strength in one direction (along the grain)
We still have time! 🤣