It's a fucking miracle that Captain America: Civil War can tell a tight, coherent, well-balanced, fun story out of an ensemble of so many superheroes that Batman v Superman can't do jack shit with just three superheroes.
That's becuase Captain America had a creative team behind it that A) Actually liked and gave a fuck about the characters B) Weren't embarrassed over the fact that these characters wear tights and were meant for and appeal to children, and C) Aren't pretentious douchebags
+Johar Malik Also, the team behind Civil War knew that fans CARED about the characters because so many other writers and directors had PUT IN THE TIME to get us invested. BvS just assumed IT'S SUPERMAN AND BATMAN SO YOU SHOULD CARE, OKAY?!!
+Zedfinite DC tried to do too much too fast with BvS. Sure, people generally know who Batman is in a broad sense, but since this Bat doesn't have anything to do with the Nolan trilogy (which showed Batman retiring not that long ago) no one knows what Batfleck's history really is. I'm not saying we need to see his parents get killed again, or need to see him training and becoming Batman for the first time, but a stand-alone movie that shows us what a Ben Affleck Batman is like before throwing him into a fight with another super hero.
+Britton Stanaland Exactly. SO MUCH TIME was wasted on seeing his parents die (which was proven to be useless when they flashed back to it in the "Martha" scene) and on the Knightmare sequence that could've been used to further explore Batman and Wonder Woman as characters
In the comics it never really made sense why Peter Parker would join the registration side, in the movie it makes complete sense that a barely established Spider-Man would be swayed by a rich, intelligent, exceedingly charismatic superhero who walks into his bedroom and offers him a job.
+Cal6009 -- I thought it made sense in the comics. What _didn't_ make sense was Peter unmasking for the public. That was never a requirement of the SHRA; superheroes just needed to make their identities known to the director of SHIELD, which, in this case, turned out to be Tony Stark himself, with his Extremis-enhanced, computer-like brain, so the only list in existence was literally in Tony's head. {oh, uh, yeah . . . COMIC SPOILERS.] I do like that CBMs are making less of a big deal about secret identities these days. I love that Thor is always Thor, and everybody knows Iron Man and Cap's real names.
+Ben Culture Counter-point, I've sometimes felt that the MCU was a little light on secret identities. I mean, they don't even call Clint Barton "Hawkeye" in the movie. I think... Ant-Man and Spider-Man are the only ones with secret identities at this point? I appreciated the addition of Peter Parker to reestablish the secret identity trope in the minds of fans.
Lol that's what I liked about peter in this movie. He doesn't really have a real motive nor is he really effected by the outcome he's just basically like "I don't want to let Ironman down."
Remember two months ago when the dc fanboy's were saying civil war is just a bunch of heroes in a parking lot and BVS was the greatest gladiator match ever? Yeah it's funny to look back on those times and see how much marvel can beat dc
ultimatrixhero5 ingnore him he's one of those people who just hates marvel. The only reason he's excited for suicide squad is because Margot Robbie is eye candy.
It's SO much better. On the YMS review heaps of people were saying "The comic handled the conflict and characters much better." I thought I was losing my goddamn mind.
+Walter Kovacs I know the feeling. I used to like YMS, and I still find him interesting, but his views on superhero movies are SO BAD. Like, he doesn't like anything in MCU, but called Ghost Rider 2- awesome. WHAT THE FUCK
+Арсений Брилёв Whenever it comes to superhero movie talks/reviews, I don't go to YMS. He even admits he doesn't enjoy superhero movies anyway, so why would I go listen to an opinion of someone who didn't want to go see the movie in the first place?
Pardon me if I'm repeating myself, but (SPOILER)... My reading of Zemo's plan wasn't that he was manipulating governments, or even concerned with their reactions, but rather he was simply taking advantage of the accords. He really only wants two things: 1) To break up the Avengers 2) To kill the remaining super-soldiers After breaking the codes behind Widow's leak, it's really just a matter of waiting for an opportunity. He knows from the leak that Bucky killed Tony's parents, but doesn't know where the base is. That's the info he needs from Bucky for part 2. As a bonus, it's also info he can leak to Tony to create friction between him and Cap. Then the accords happen, an independent action of the UN. They're not part of his plan, but they provide him the opportunity to act, as the accords alone will create friction in the team by their very nature. He tries to get the base location from the Hydra operative. If he gets it, he heads straight for Siberia, then sends the info/video to Tony. At that point he probably doesn't even need to bomb the accords, but since he doesn't get the info he bombs and frames Bucky, which will immediately put Tony and Steve at odds with each other. If Bucky gets killed or escapes (presumably with Cap), well at least the Avengers are broken up, part 2 is waiting. Bucky is captured, though (and here I'll readily admit the EMP/replace the psychologist bit is contrived) so he takes over interrogating Bucky to get the location. From there his plan actually is complete. Anything after that is incidental. That all three actually MADE it to Siberia and he got to see them fight in person was just icing on the cake. He could have, as before, simply sent the package to Tony at that point just to ensure the split remained. Yes, as with any villain plan, he could get found out, but that's an issue with ANY villain plan from most films. There really aren't as many moving parts to his plan here as most people seem to think. At least not as I read the film.
Totally, plus i never get why people seem to think that just because zemo isn't a metahuman he couldn't infiltrate a facility or travel lie he does in the movie. it's not that expansive to travel as he does in the films and he was part of a death squad of some sort so he should have access to some money and have the training to pull such things off.
Yep, I agree....I am not even sure if all parts of Zemo's plan actually worked like he wanted. I mean, he certainly didn't expect Cap to figure him out, and whatever he ordered Bucky to do never happened because of Steve intervening. But he was constantly adjusting to what was happening.
I admire Marvel's courage to just go back to a smaller scale. Sure, you had a shitload of at this point iconic characters beating each other up, but Civil War never reaches the kind of bombast we saw in Winter Soldier or Age of Ultron, instead focusing on the characters, the one thing people love most about those movies. They seem to nail what works about the MCU and what doesn't, going away from Iron Man 2's or AoU's explosion-filled climaxes that turned them into a bit of a mess (though still an enjoyable one, at that).
What i really like about this one is how it provides examples of how these characters have grown and changed over the years. Keep in mind that in Iron Man 2, the US government tried to regulate superheroes and Tony Stark was on the complete opposite side he is now. How many other universes can have characters undergo complete reversals and still feel genuine?
It completely washed away the bad taste left in my mouth by DC's Batman vs Superman. Too bad Wonder Woman can't request an official transfer to the Marvel Universe.
+David Buckingham -- A good ol'-fashioned "OMFG!" Just to imagine Wonder Woman in the MCU. Oh, such heaven. I'm totally okay with Gal Gadot, how about you? I could look at her all day.
+Ben Culture I was afraid she would be made into an eye-candy distraction, but her first costumed WW appearance had her doing a Captain America style shield blocking save on Batman, followed by some great looking kick-ass combat with the big baddie. It has me enthused for the possibilities of the WW movie, if they can manage to wrap a good story around it.
You are so wrong about Toby McGuire's Spider-Man vs. Tom Holland's. Holland knocked it out of the park so hard that Toby is still spinning. That first Spider-Man movie was fantastic, and the second was great, but I was never a fan of how he played the character. I never felt like he did a good job of really capturing who Spider-Man was, and Holland did. He nailed it so perfectly.
+DaBombDiggidy88 There really wast enough character development going into the fight in BvS. It was like seeing the fight clip on you tube and the reason for them fighting was written in the description.
+Adel ECDW Because they tried to have their reasons for fighting be completely plot-driven as opposed to character driven. It was "these characters have to fight because the plot says so" as opposed to "these characters don't like each other and need to work through it".
Noisemaker50 And they shouldn't have done that. If you title your movie Batman v Superman people expect the fight to be evenly sided in the aspect of the reasons for them fighting.
And to top it of This had the same basic plot as BVS A defender of truth and justice fights a billionaire with hang-ups about his dead parents which was ultimately orchestrated by a genius super villain. While also setting up future movies especially the one about the warrior with an accent from a secret society.
Batman v Superman reeks of insecurity. Snyder is like "hey look, Batman is dressed like he was in The Dark Knight Returns! You loved that book, right? And he fights Superman!" Marvel, on the other hand, has been doing this for years (decades if you count the comics). They're like "we got this, we don't have anything to prove anymore, let's do something fun."
+Plaguesque -- None of that is actually true. When Action Comics #1 (first appearance of Superman) was published in 1939, DC was National Comics, and Marvel was Timely Comics. Timely published Human Torch before National published Superman, then published Namor (the first comics antihero) while National published the first Batman story. Captain America was published in 1941. All three of these characters are still popular with Marvel readers today (although stories with the original Human Torch are few and far between).
+Plaguesque said *"if DC referencing the Dark knight returns in an organically logical way "reeks of insecurity", what smell does the forced inclusion of spiderman and half of the avengers roster give off!"* AWESOMENESS. Dude. I sympathize. Superman and Batman deserved a MUCH better movie! Not to mention Diana. She was criminally under-used. The very DAY they cast Gal Gadot, they should have renamed the project _Wonder Woman v. Batman and Superman: She Totally Beats Their Asses._ I'm hoping the extended home video version of BvS will be a more cohesive and interesting story. Either way, I only hate one guy: I openly and proudly hate Zack Snyder. The cast itself was stellar (well, except Jesse Eisenberg. He should be homeless and incontinent. Okay, I guess I hate him, too.) BvS shoud have been one of the all-time greats. I can only imagine what better writers and filmmakers could do with that cast. But here, in this one slice of the multiverse, BvS sucked and CA:CW is an instant classic.
+Plaguesque -- Nope, no hypocrisy on my part. To be accurate about what just happened, I forfeited any winnable debate by taking your intellectually-dishonest question seriously, when I SHOULD have merely called bullshit on it. Your question was bullshit. "[O]rganically logical"? You do not know what those words mean. In that order, it's complete gibberish. I assume you meant "organic and logical". Either way, there was nothing organic OR logical about the TDKReturns references. They just adapted the cool-lookin' shit that any 15-year-old would love. The post-nuclear, withered Superman, and the big splashy fight. I was 15 when it was published in 1986. In 1986, Batman's "fat tin can" armor looked cool. It countered about 16 years of Neal Adams drawing Batman as sleek and thin as possible. Now it just looks like "Tony STARK was able to BUILD this BETTER, in a CAVE! With a box of SCRAPS!" They were fools to put Batman in the 1986 Frank Miller armor in this day and age, for BvS. All it does is remind me what a much better story TDKReturns is, as is _Iron Man._ What is it Batman says? "You want me? Come and get me"? or something? That's not Batman. Batman doesn't seek out unnecessary and risky punch-em-ups. Batman would tag him with a tracker, follow him home, wait for him to fall asleep, and then spear him with the Kryptonite. I mean, if we're going to talk about Batman taking a life, let's at least be true to his coldly logical, ruthlessly efficient nature. They didn't need -Nuclear Man- Doomsday. They should have just let him kill Superman. Since Superman is coming back anyway, it's a win/win -- Batman gets to hate himself and be more ashamed than ever, but we also still HAVE Superman! BvS ends with (non-armored) Batman slipping into their shitty little hovel, murdering Clark in his sleep. Lois is screaming and backing into the corner. Batman yanks out the bloody, glowing spear and points it at Lois: *"WHAT **_ARE_** YOU?"* Hard cut to black. Roll credits.
It really is impressive how Civil War is so obviously a Captain America movie, while featuring the Avengers (+Ant Man, Spider man and Black Panther) and having such a well done morally grey feel to it AND giving every member of the main cast the excact amount of screen time needed... AND still having the humor and charm the other MCU movies have.
For real though. It felt like three films in one: Cap 3 (the main story), Avengers 2.5 and a Black Panther origin story. But it was so seamless and continues the Cap and Bucky dynamic.
I love that Bob touched on this. If you feel conflicted about who you really support, that's the movie doing this conflict right. Ultimately, it's not about the accords, who's right or wrong, but about the tragedy of two friends fighting their hardest for what they each believe to be right. You're going to sympathize with Captain America (Of course you would!), and you're equally sympathize with Iron Man. They're both right, and they're both wrong, often at the same time.
+FallenTemplar -- Thank you! That is what makes it such a powerful story. I lean heavily towards registration. Not that the Avengers should be dogs on a leash held by the U.N. But they should be held accountable, and there should be some kind of fund for destruction of private property. I cringe every time some jackass lifts up a car and smashes it over someone else's head. I've never owned two working cars in my life. If Iron Man and Hulk destroy my car while fighting, I could easily lose my job and ruin my life. I should be able to turn to somebody and say "Are these YOUR Avengers? Great, you're replacing my car, bitches." Because if Cap just told me "In this job, you try to spare as much private property as you can. Sometimes, that doesn't mean all of it." I dunno, I'd be thrilled to meet Captain America, but then I'd immediately think 'Oh, no, but he's a dick.'
+TeaDrinker3000 I don't always agree with Bob but he is always smart and thoughtful. Even films we disagree on I can really see his point of view and appreciate the time he takes to lay it out.
+mrtalos I don't think he needs to produce two separate reviews just like other popular youtubers are doing. He's a film critic, and Moviebob doesn't really return to movies he's reviewed. Always producing each one with the intent of it having some long-lasting conclusion or message. Back when he had multiple shows, he would use The Big Picture/In Bob We Trust to touch on game changer pieces like Avengers or Man of Steel to talk about not the movie specifically but how they change the expectations for their respective universes. And we got a bit of that here anyway.
+Glennjamin Glutton normally I would agree. however in this case with the difference between the source material and the film, that would be massively spoilerfull, I think Bob's input would be both welcome, informative, and interesting. Not sure that a really that good episode is right for this film.
no need for a full spoiler review. while the outcome is very important in the grand scheme of the MCU, the film is way more about the events in it than the outcome of those events.
Tony- ‘We need to be reined in, remember what happened in New York?” Cap- “Yea, the suits took over and tried to nuke the city” Tony- “Ok but what about what happened in Washington DC?” Cap- “The suits took over and used the heli-carriers you designed” Tony- “What about what happened in Sokovia?” Cap- “The genocidal AI you created tried to destroy the world” Tony- “Look we need to be reined in” Cap- “You fuck up and suddenly its ‘we’? Seems more like the suits and you need to be reined in”
Oh my god thank you for this line. I too wish I'd seen the movie Bob thought he saw. Civil War was a terrible choice of story and they didn't remotely make it work. Winter Soldier works because the plot is tight and all the action fits the story but in Civil War it's just a bunch of stuff that happens. Geeky fun? Hell yeah; but this had none of the smarts of Winter Soldier. Lazy movie making. Just because it was the only decent movie of the big four blockbusters doesn't make it great by default. As Ultron has totally grown on me I'll give it many more chances but it's praise doesn't jive.
Acrocanthosaurus Fair. but there were other characteres in the room present in NY. Including one who's in love with a nive guy that uncontrolably transforms into a giant green monster. Does anyone use Bruce as an argument around that table?
It works great with the other two Captain America because it continues the trend of his world view evolves while never letting the world around him pressure him into going against doing the right thing, while still being complex enough to still make mistakes
Cap 1: Rogers fights to save his best friend and country Cap 2: Rogers is forced to fight his best friend and country Cap 3: Rogers is forced to choose between his best friend and country
This has been out here for just about a week (I live in Ireland) and I'm already so on board with this review. If Marvel break their streak of fantastic films and drop a Batman v. Superman-esque clanger, it won't hurt them at all because there's no fucking way anything they put out, at this stage, could be anywhere near as bad as that absolute trainwreck of a film. This film gave me the most satisfying cinema experience I've had in quite a long time.
+Gareth O'Malley Agreed. Just came home from seeing it and while I seriously mark it down for shaky-cam fight scenes (come on guys, we know they can all fight, stop shaking and cutting and let us see it), it was overall a very good movie. And that's even more starkly contrasted against seeing BvS just a few weeks ago and how much of a dumpster fire that movie was.
Now THAT'S how you do a spoiler free movie review, unlike all these other UA-camrs who do movie discussion and call them reviews, and end up spoiling things anyway even when they claim it's spoiler-free. Critics are forgetting how to review movies without spoiling anything these days. BTW I agreed with damn near everything mentioned except for the part at the end about the Raimi Spiderman movies. Those flicks were very average and they've actually aged pretty damn badly. It's obvious they really tried hard to mimic the magic of the old Superman movie though.
+Juls Token Don't know about the first two (haven't fully seen them), but I actually thought Spider-Man 3 was decent. Unfortunately, my opinion means nothing because Sam Raimi regrets the film - when a creator admits their own work sucks, it means we fans were objectively wrong, and our feelings about the film were wrong. And we must now side with the creator.
+Jack Man it is a bummer about HH's rotten score, but it doesn't surprise me. no matter how good it might be, it's not a movie for everyone. you have to like action movies first, then not get motion sickness, and be okay with first person perspective. so anyone that goes to see it without meeting those points, will not enjoy it and give a poor rating
+Jack Man Meh, I wasn't disappointed; the rating is not all that surprising. Sometimes (often?), critical consensus of a movie is lower than its audience appeal. Sometimes, that critics and audiences are on the same page. I think this is one of those rare action flicks which the critics like the movie slightly more than audiences - which, sadly, is still not all that much. This movie is essentially "What if [Transformers] was made by a clever person," and I loved the hell out of it. But audiences were never going to come out for it in large numbers because they can't handle anything not based on a pre-existing property and hyped to hell anymore, and it is by nature divisive in its exuberance and willful absurdity for moviegoers and critics alike.
I love your point about how refreshing it is to see a superhero movie where a deep, personal conflict between characters isn't resolved just because the catalytic problem that exposed that conflict is resolved. Just like in real life, sometimes a conflict merely brings to light long festering wounds and raw nerves that can't be buried again. That's what makes this conflict particularly tragic, in a movie that is otherwise so light and fun. The final scene between Captain America and Iron Man may be my favorite scene in the entire MCU franchise.
I'm sorry but...I cannot agree with the Spider Man. From what I saw in Civil War he's a much better character. Toby Maguire was a very believable Peter and Spider Man in the first film, but I never saw him as anything other than a squeaky highschooler in 2 and 3. And good lord the writing for his quips was awful. "It's you that's out, Gobby. Out of your mind!" New Spider Man however was much better written, is a great Peter and also a great voice for Spider Man character. He has some genuinely funny one liners "That thing does NOT obey the laws of physics..." and despite my misgivings, I actually like the animated eyes. Especially since they went a little way to explaining them within the context of the movie. Oh, also kudos for Marvel not bothering to tell his origins because they're well aware that there are tribes of humans as yet undiscovered by the developed world who can quote Spider Man's story to you verbatim. Although that footage did make me pine for a Netflix Spider Man show...
+DragonNexus The original is still my favourite, but while Maguire erred on the side of nerdy, and Gafield was much too cocky, Holland's character has a great balance of the two.
+DakNJaxter Holland's feels more like his quips and talking come naturally, is what I like. The nerd isn't forced, the hero banter isn't forced, it just feels more real.
Got to say it, this feels like the proper successor to the Avengers film. Though AoU is worth watching in its own right, this ups the standards for the new phase just as its immediate predecessor did, and Ironman did just before that. If this really does set the standard for tone, action and story for phase 3 in the run up to Infinity War just as Ironman did for phase 1in the run up to Avengers and Avengers did for phase 2 in the run up to Civil War, then we can expect some next level stuff from over the coming years.
While I don't blame you for feeling that way, I do want to point out that _Civil War_ only works as well as it does _because_ it's a sequel to movies like _Age of Ultron_ and _Winter Soldier_. There was no way this film could've worked without such a strong "foundation" of prior films to build upon.
That's pretty undeniable, sure, but I feel that that's a good thing. By praising CA:CW we indirectly praise the MCU as a whole. Though I believe the standard of action and story are good enough to exist in own right, it is certainly true the learning curve for each of the characters back stories, motivations and powers is very steep (or even non existent in some cases) in this movie which would have put viewers off had they not the benefit of a pre-existing foundation - but the fact is they do, and, as you said, an incredibly strong one at that. No-one judges any of these films on their own merits any more. The whole reason they even bothered to make this a franchise (aside from the money) is because of the special kind of pay-off such a medium lends itself to and CA:CW IS the pay-off that comes with such great franchise building. In fact, I'm inclined to think that even a great standalone CW film (if such a thing were even possible) would be inferior to the heavily enfranchised one we have now.
He's a UA-cam cliche.... He needs to slow down or add emotion. He's not even really being honest he is reading a script in order to sound smart. Not that other people don't do that but he just wants to sound like every other critic rather than give an alternative view. He never really has a point he is just spewing out things we already know about the MCU. I hate the new kid in the block feeling to him.
I have not seen it but I probably will love it, however as a huge superman fan this movies success hurts that much more because BvS was not only one of the worst movies I've ever seen but WB completely shit on superman and ruined his character. Now I have to go enjoy yet another marvel movie. #screwtheDCU
+Joseph Diaz As somebody who prefers Marvel over DC most of the time (with the exception being cartoons, I prefer the DC animated universe to any Marvel cartoon), I feel really bad for DC fans because of how much of a disaster Man of Steel and Batman V. Superman are.
Agreed. I will always take Marvel over DC because i cant relate to gods. However I enjoy comic book movies and would like to see Marvel have some healthy competition to keep them on their toes. Fox made me hate X-Men, my absolute favorite comic of all time. I would hate to see the same thing happen for DC fans.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm a biased Marvel fan. BUT, although the DC movies have not been great, there are some things to get excited about (aka Wonder Woman) I think that once they finally invest in telling a good story and get rid of Zach Snyder, they could have something special on their hands. I'm cautiously optimistic.
I thought Agents of SHIELD season 3 was pretty good, their addiction parallel to Hive, the Lash stuff (aside from the resolve), the Rosalind/Coulson relationship, Coulson's revenge, Secret Warrior setup, Simmons arch, Fitz/Simmons relationship, and Brett Dalton's performance as a Hive. That's just some of the big stuff off the top of my head. Somethings could have used some work but overall it was quite a good season and in my opinion continues it's trend of improving upon itself with each season. To each their own though.
There were three things that bugged me about the film. 1. Hawkeye's completely spontaneous dislike for Tony when the two exchanged words, which was never even hinted at in any of the previous films they shared. 2. Iron Man going for the kill against Bucky out of revenge, turning what would have otherwise been a duel between two likable heroic characters fighting for their own beliefs into Iron Man being clearly in the wrong when he fought against Captain America. 3. Baron Zemo, the villain behind the entire thing, who was utterly forgettable even when compared to some of the less memorabe Marvel cinematic villains. With that said, I can still forgive the small mistakes and holes in logic made in the Marvel cinematic movies because of just how much goes into all of them.
+chucknorrisismypal 3 that's actually a different problem because in the end "spoiler" it turns out he's not Baron Zemo, He's just a sokovian bloke called Zemo who's lost his family, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS BY ITSELF IF YOU'RE A COMICBOOK FAN. But yeah still, that's sort of the point, I think they've cut some scenes but the fact that nobody went "ahah.... he's THAT Zemo".
Toby McGuire is your peter Parker. The shit talking add bundle of quips, awkwardness and sheer righteousness is my peter Parker. Holland is the best actor in the film behind evans
+SepticHead That's a very apt comparison to make, considering that they're both good portrayals that have some really stupid quirks--like Bale's grumbly voice.
+MegaFunnymonkey123 I can only agree with this sentiment, this version of Peter Parker and of Spiderman, because yes, those are two different characters, hit it out of the park in just about every way. While McGuire did a very good job, this version is so much more fulfilling.
Iron Fist is a TV show. And Bob is the first in line to hate it. I personally loved Cap 2 (it's actually one of my favourite movies overall) and Iron Man 3 was pretty good and Guardians 2 (at least I guess this is GG 2) was great. Just a tad forgettable. >To each their own. Iron Man 3 and GG 2 are also critically acclaimed enough and with Cap 2 basically everyone is on board that this a very good and refreshing take on the superhero genre. So please don't state that as if it was a universally accepted truth. It's your opinion which you are free to have.
With two and a half years of hindsight, maybe the *most* important thing this one did was to introduce Black Panther. His arc is a great introduction to the character and means his own movie can go on to bigger concerns.
Man it feels so good to be an international viewer and having already seen the film. I'm spoiler immune now and can go into any discussion without worrying. Edit: It seems increasingly clear to me that the Raimi Spider-Man has a personal place in your heart Bob that will probably put you in the minority among your colleagues when it comes to the MCU Spider-Man and that's ok. To me Holland is the best Spider-Man and Peter Parker by a country mile. No one embodied the dichotomy between Peter Parker, the nervous nerd with a hint of self-loathing turned superhuman, and Spider-Man, the let's be honest mean all ego manifestation of Parker's innermost desires as well as he has.
I thin Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man yet. waiting to see if this opinion holds up after his solo movie, but I wasn't the biggest Toby Maguire fan to begin with
+MBase Great analysis! My friends all walked out of this movie declaring him to be the best Spiderman ever. It was a joy to have that additional treat in an already excellent movie full of so many other treats.
yeah, that's what my problem with past Peter Parkers. He's a multi faceted character, and it felt like previous versions were just avatars of one of the aspects that made Peter Parker. Toby Maguire had the social awkward, innocent, idealistic side of him, but I didn't buy him being hyper intelligent, and he was not funny or witty at all, he bordered boring really. Andrew Garfield was the opposite, I believed that he was intelligent, he was witty, or at least had more wit than Maguire had, but was a little too cool to be Peter Parker. Oh, and both did not look like highschool students. Garfield looked like a college student, and Maguire looked even older than that. So far, with what little we saw with Holland, he looks the part, he seemed very innocent, geeky, intelligent, and he was very witty, his dialog was excellent, the best Spidey script yet.
I loved the TMaguire movies in the same way I thought I liked the first Transformers. The spectacle and the excitement of seeing the characters on the big screen drew me in. Yet on later viewings it's very clear the movies actually leave much to be desired.
Oddly enough Civil War is what finally strung me along in the MCU. I never watched the Phase 1 and 2 movies because I was so annoyed Ant Man and Wasp aren't in the Avengers.
Best thing about this: A Spiderman who's actually a kid. My only exposure to Spiderman growing up was that 70s live action TV show, which cast a guy in his thirties. I didn't even realise Peter Parker was supposed to be a kid until the first movie, and even then it was just Tobey Maguire pretending to be a kid.
+wratched He was only a kid for like the first 20 or so issues of SpiderMan. Then he graduated High School, got put into the adult world, but kept getting screwed over because of his responsibilities as SpiderMan. SpiderMan being a kid wasn't something that happened until the ultimate series. One of the major draws to SpiderMan was he was for the most part an ordinary guy (yeah he was super scientist smart but worked for pennies at the Daily Bugle getting shit on by his boss constantly) who was gifted power to be a hero and being a hero has had a pretty damning cost on his adult life.
Pretty stoned right now, and perhaps just flustered and tricked by fast talking, but this might just be one of the greatest youtube videos ever made. Each paragraph is thoroughly insightful, flawlessly and wittily written, and delivered without flaw. I am enriched on several levels for having seen it, and not one second of my time was wasted in over 9 minutes. You outdid yourself with this one, Mr. Chipman.
+Captain Scarlet Because it's Marvel. No important character deaths are allowed. The status quo must be maintained otherwise the audience will think too much.
+TenebrousFilms I think he probably had the guy drugged and stashed away in the room until he wanted him to be found. Keep in mind, he was only in that hotel room for a couple of days and he probably denied any cleaning service.
A lot, and I mean A LOT, of reviews of this movie are saying that Holland is the best Spidey to date, but I can't help but feel like we haven't seen enough to even make a claim like that yet. Sure, this was a great sample of what may be to come, but how do you extrapolate that to him being "the best."
Yeah..the hype for Holland's Spidey seems *insane* to me, too. Cameos are far easier to pull off than standalone films. (Just look at the Hulk and how tough it for them to craft a solo film for Ruffalo's Hulk)
I would say Agents of SHIELD season 3 isn't bad it's just messy. The characters are better than ever and it's pacing is very quick (sometimes a little too fast)
+WhateverReally basically yeah. Season 2 was a really well done retooling of the series while season 3 is more exciting. I think the writers bit off more than they could chew with season 3, but it's still fun to watch
on your so-called loopholes regarding someone would be able to manipulate so many people and situations...how bout The Joker in The Dark Knight...??? at least, with Zemo, he's explained to be part of the Sokovian special ops..he even said it took him quite a while to decrypt all the shield infos released by Widow on the net... but, at least Zemo's a more plausible mastermind than a crazy street punk like Joker.
It is admittedly a slow burn, but these are the people that work in the shadows of the MCU, they have some tangible effect in the MCU, but they have their own problems to deal with.
Overall I'd say Winter Soldier is better, because it is a movie with comic book characters, instead of a comic book movie. And [Spoiler]'s "omniscience" is well told, but still barely tolerable. if his motivation wasn't so clear at the end and that well hinted at during all that red herring waving, I'd say this movie was barely above Ultron. but as is, it's is a pretty god damn good movie and leaves, except for a few head scratches, the other Marvel movies in it's dust. But still, blaming the Avengers for destroying New York because they stopped an alien invasion minutes before the government was about to nuke the place is kinda stupid and I bet the writers just forgot, or shrugged and retconned.
+Rawbeard Don't forget that the whole "New York was the Avengers' fault" thing didn't start in this movie. Mere minutes after the battle, you can see a senator claiming they have to take responsibility for what happened. It's just how they work, apparently :p
Bob you nailed it , this one felt less structurally coherent than Winter Soldier but the trade off was a percentage good over total good kind of thing which made this a better film in some ways. There is a lot of ad hoc but it's payoff made it worth it. It reminded me of The Dark Knight a bit which had some of the same plot issues.
Really like your style Bob. I'm developing my own review video now. Working on channel and all. So I have allot of respect for your originality, delivery, and opinion explanation. Def Subbed.
I agree with everything that you said other than Tobey Maguire. I don't like his take at all. To me Tom Holland is the only Spider-Man that we've gotten because Maguire and Garfield didn't do it for me.
+Ren Davis I like Maguire's Peter Parker. A nerd and social outcast who is emotionally vulnerable. I like Garfield's Spider-Man. Snarky as fuck. Tom Holland's is the perfect portrayal: vulnerable without the mask, snarky as fuck with the mask.
+TrueRomancer04 that is true that is the kind of Spider-Man I've always wanted to see someone who showed vulnerability without the mask and someone who showed that kind of smack with the mask
+Ren Davis -- We finally got the chatterbox Spider-Man we've been reading for decades. I'd be lying if I said I caught every word he said during the fight. But oh, how I loved them for finally getting the character _right!_
This kinda of review cures my superhero fatigue. As a fan of cinema and superheros I don’t really miss any of these and somtimes you just need to hear a well written opinion to reignite you passion. A lot to be proud of here bob
Zemos plan did not hinge on him predicting the exact circumstances. This cannot be said enough. People assume because it played out this way, that this was the exact and only wat zemo intended. The fact is, Zemo would have moved on to a new version of his plan if this hadnt worked out to his liking, and we actually see him do that in the film. I don't know why anybody thought the film hinged on him being able ti predict everthing. It didn't. It simply didnt.
+Marcos Danilo Funnily enough, if you check out the long term traffic you can see that when Jim left an entire third of the audience left and never returned. The site is around a quarter of what it was pulling before Bob and Jim left.
Hey, just one thing, the villain didn't actually plan for everything, a lot of it was just him going with the flow. He had info and he knew when to use it. And some things that happened were just chance that he took advantage of.
Great review as always, Bob. Glad to hear your thoughts, you're always the most extensive reviewer I follow now-a-days. Though, not gonna lie, I think I prefer the still images with occasionally punchline picture. I understand you probably wanted to up the quality (this is Civil War, and I know you're gonna get a spike in views which means you want this to look as polished as possible), but I've tried to avoid trailers and footage and eventually had to open up a separate tab so that I didn't indulge myself before the movie. Otherwise, great time, great points, and excited for the movie tonight. Woot!
Toby McGuire was great fantastic as Peter Parker, but I always found his Spider-Man lacking (though I think that was mainly down to the writing). And while Andrew Garfield was a terrible Peter Parker (and both 'Amazing' films overall sucked), I thought his take on Spider-Man in the second film (from a purely character stand-point) was the best to that point. I felt Holland, however, performed both sides better than his predecessors, both individually, and as a complete package.
+ByMonitorLight And he acted like a REAL TEENAGER, not a 20-something playing the role of a teenager! Yes, Peter/Spidey had some angst issues to work out but he also allowed himself to have fun while he was fighting and I look forward to seeing Holland do what Garfield did in those fight-the-bad-guys scenes.
+Dakota Hazel well not a lot of people agree with you. But if you dont like it thats your perogative. Now if you don't like it because BvS was shit that's just stupid. I'm bummed out that that movie sucked because i wanted to see a good question or blue beetle but with this its not going to happen
+Dakota Hazel *SPOILERS AHEAD* I'd say Iron Man watching Winter Soldier kill his parents is a 100% better reason to fight than two moms named Martha are a good reason to stop fighting.
+Rubberman202 -- What the fucking fuck?!? MovieBob curses. MovieBob MUST curse. Come on. The poor bastard sits through so many bad movies for us. If it weren't for him, I might have gone into _Batman v. Superman_ with high hopes, and been crushed. He can say whatever he wants!
Good review, Bob, but you should REALLY tune-up your audio editing. A lot of the cuts you make are jarring and awkward, and I can hear when you take a breath into your mic.
Regarding your first point, I do think Thor 2 and Age of Ultron are pretty mediocre, if not bad, but the way both of those movies serve the larger cinematic universe does make them better in context of the good to great movies.
+Samuel Cannon I thought the first cap america was the worst. But whilst Age of ultron wasn't as good as 1, it was a harder movie to pull off and most other directors would have sunk it. It had to play from the past, lead into the future and all be it's own thing while hitting the check points the producers put in.
+Man Down Under What I love about the First Cap movie is how simple it is. The villain loves being evil. No tragic back story, no sympathetic reasons, Nothing but drive and motivation. And Cap is just the blue boyscout with an unshifting moral compass pre and post serum. It's just a feel good movie that reminded me of those Donner Superman movies.
***** Great argument, man. You really convinced me there. I now believe that this movie is the same level of trash as Batman v Superman or some modern Adam Sandler film.
Goddammit, me from 4 years ago. This is all you had to say to dismantle their argument: "Civil War is bad because Hawkeye had no motivation to be there" is an asinine argument. 1) Yes, he did have motivation. He had to save the fucking world from evil super soldiers. "But what about his family?" He already risked his life to save the world twice prior. This isn't character inconsistency, so don't even try to spin it that way. 2) Even IF he had no motivation/reason to be there (which he did), that wouldn't suddenly turn the WHOLE film bad. Think about it for one second. Saying an ENTIRE film is bad because *1 SIDE CHARACTER* had poor motivations is putrid logic. Ffs, Clint had such little screen time that he hardly even registers as a side character.
I like it too. I still think season 2 is the best so far though. You can't beat something like Daisy "coming out of her shell". The score in that moment was perfect. Or Fitz's struggle with the aftermath of hypoxia.
+Duke Spubber It's good but I do fear that they might cancel the show after season 4 since the Agents have pretty much wiped out HYDRA and main baddie Grant Ward is officially dead and Hive is just wearing him as a corpse suit. Still, I guess the writers could keep bringing in the other Marvel terrorists groups like they did the Watchdogs (Ultimatum, the Resistance, and AIM).
I think that you perfectly summarized why I loved this movie. The plot was "small" as the stakes were more relatable even with enhanced individuals flying, jumping and controlling objects. However I am still looking forward to GotG2 and Doctor Strange!
+Captain Scarlet The frightening thing is that I used to say that about The Avengers, and then Winter Soldier, and now Civil War. At this point we can only hope for the best and let Marvel work their magic.
Great review...but Tobey Maguire was an utterly shithouse Spiderman/Peter Parker combo. Spiderman 2 was a very good movie and Spiderman 1 was good...but both could be described as "Great, except for Tobey Maguire". He didn't ruin those movies, but he was by far the worst thing about them and what made them pretty good, but by today's standards, they would be "just a movie" quality - like most of Ant Man, Age of Ultron, Iron Man 2 & 3, both Thor movies and the first Captain America movie. I *loved* The First Avenger, but pretending it's as good as Winter Soldier (which I appreciate the hell out of, but don't really love) would be dumb. Pretending Spiderman 1 & 2 (let's just ignore #3 - it sucked almost completely) are cinema classics instead of pretty good movies (and probably the best superhero movies seen at that point) is no different. I get that you love those movies, but they are really not that great - which isn't to say that they weren't good movies, because they were (with a couple of great moments - eg: the train scene). New Spidey is *easily* the best Spiderman/Peter Parker we've had so far - everybody already forgot they wanted Miles Morales. It's not even close, both previous incarnations have fans and detractors, but new guy is almost universally loved. That's not to say that his standalone movie will actually be any good of course - but we've already seen more great moments from him than we ever did from Tobey Maguire.
I think Reeve nailed Superman more than Mcguire ever nailed Spider-Man, the movies he was in could have been better but its hard to argue Reeve was the weak link. MingJian Yap
+A most excellent dude who is totally not bogus! I don't know... Batman v Superman is certainly not a good movie... but I didn't despise it like I despised Iron Man 2.
+Daniel King I feel like that one was a mediocre mess, but still enjoyable, especially with Sam Rockwell, the excellent fight scenes, and Scarlet Johansson.
+Mad Swan It's been a while but I remember thinking the movie was a colossal mess - unfocused, poorly paced, bad jokes, uninteresting character motivations, etc...
+ixkariot Yeah, unfortunatlely he got fired, and found a new job at Screenrant to write news and speculation articles after a brief contract with Screwattack. It probably gives him more money than making videos, but those articles have zero lasting value.
But do Steve and Tony both have a mother with the same name?
+Darrius Cooper they both have a best fiend called James.
+RedSoulYo what does it all mean?!!
+Darrius Cooper YDIDUSAYDATNAME?
Well both of their parents are dead so...
+Darrius Cooper If by mother you mean home state, then yes they do.
It's a fucking miracle that Captain America: Civil War can tell a tight, coherent, well-balanced, fun story out of an ensemble of so many superheroes that Batman v Superman can't do jack shit with just three superheroes.
That's becuase Captain America had a creative team behind it that A) Actually liked and gave a fuck about the characters B) Weren't embarrassed over the fact that these characters wear tights and were meant for and appeal to children, and C) Aren't pretentious douchebags
+Johar Malik Also, the team behind Civil War knew that fans CARED about the characters because so many other writers and directors had PUT IN THE TIME to get us invested. BvS just assumed IT'S SUPERMAN AND BATMAN SO YOU SHOULD CARE, OKAY?!!
It's not a miracle, the Russo brothers just know what they're doing, unlike Snyder.
+Zedfinite DC tried to do too much too fast with BvS. Sure, people generally know who Batman is in a broad sense, but since this Bat doesn't have anything to do with the Nolan trilogy (which showed Batman retiring not that long ago) no one knows what Batfleck's history really is.
I'm not saying we need to see his parents get killed again, or need to see him training and becoming Batman for the first time, but a stand-alone movie that shows us what a Ben Affleck Batman is like before throwing him into a fight with another super hero.
+Britton Stanaland Exactly. SO MUCH TIME was wasted on seeing his parents die (which was proven to be useless when they flashed back to it in the "Martha" scene) and on the Knightmare sequence that could've been used to further explore Batman and Wonder Woman as characters
In the comics it never really made sense why Peter Parker would join the registration side, in the movie it makes complete sense that a barely established Spider-Man would be swayed by a rich, intelligent, exceedingly charismatic superhero who walks into his bedroom and offers him a job.
+Cal6009 -- I thought it made sense in the comics. What _didn't_ make sense was Peter unmasking for the public. That was never a requirement of the SHRA; superheroes just needed to make their identities known to the director of SHIELD, which, in this case, turned out to be Tony Stark himself, with his Extremis-enhanced, computer-like brain, so the only list in existence was literally in Tony's head. {oh, uh, yeah . . . COMIC SPOILERS.]
I do like that CBMs are making less of a big deal about secret identities these days. I love that Thor is always Thor, and everybody knows Iron Man and Cap's real names.
+Ben Culture Counter-point, I've sometimes felt that the MCU was a little light on secret identities. I mean, they don't even call Clint Barton "Hawkeye" in the movie. I think... Ant-Man and Spider-Man are the only ones with secret identities at this point? I appreciated the addition of Peter Parker to reestablish the secret identity trope in the minds of fans.
+Gordon Graham Yep, Ant-Man, Spider-Man, and Daredevil are (so far) the only folks with secret identities in the MCU
Lol that's what I liked about peter in this movie. He doesn't really have a real motive nor is he really effected by the outcome he's just basically like "I don't want to let Ironman down."
LOL. If Zack Snyder was running Spider-Man, they would get married in the first one, then go straight to One More Day for the sequel.
Remember two months ago when the dc fanboy's were saying civil war is just a bunch of heroes in a parking lot and BVS was the greatest gladiator match ever? Yeah it's funny to look back on those times and see how much marvel can beat dc
yup!!
Yeah, I wasn't too hyped for BvS. Civil War was just the better movie.
+Dakota Hazel not going to do that. Bye now.
ultimatrixhero5 ingnore him he's one of those people who just hates marvel. The only reason he's excited for suicide squad is because Margot Robbie is eye candy.
+Dakota Hazel well Mr hazel tell me why civil war is bad (it isnt).
Not mention that the Civil War movie is a far better realized story than the comic that it is based on.
Dude, tell me about it
Dude, tell me about it
It's SO much better. On the YMS review heaps of people were saying "The comic handled the conflict and characters much better." I thought I was losing my goddamn mind.
+Walter Kovacs I know the feeling. I used to like YMS, and I still find him interesting, but his views on superhero movies are SO BAD. Like, he doesn't like anything in MCU, but called Ghost Rider 2- awesome. WHAT THE FUCK
+Арсений Брилёв Whenever it comes to superhero movie talks/reviews, I don't go to YMS. He even admits he doesn't enjoy superhero movies anyway, so why would I go listen to an opinion of someone who didn't want to go see the movie in the first place?
Pardon me if I'm repeating myself, but (SPOILER)...
My reading of Zemo's plan wasn't that he was manipulating governments, or even concerned with their reactions, but rather he was simply taking advantage of the accords. He really only wants two things:
1) To break up the Avengers
2) To kill the remaining super-soldiers
After breaking the codes behind Widow's leak, it's really just a matter of waiting for an opportunity. He knows from the leak that Bucky killed Tony's parents, but doesn't know where the base is. That's the info he needs from Bucky for part 2. As a bonus, it's also info he can leak to Tony to create friction between him and Cap. Then the accords happen, an independent action of the UN. They're not part of his plan, but they provide him the opportunity to act, as the accords alone will create friction in the team by their very nature.
He tries to get the base location from the Hydra operative. If he gets it, he heads straight for Siberia, then sends the info/video to Tony. At that point he probably doesn't even need to bomb the accords, but since he doesn't get the info he bombs and frames Bucky, which will immediately put Tony and Steve at odds with each other. If Bucky gets killed or escapes (presumably with Cap), well at least the Avengers are broken up, part 2 is waiting. Bucky is captured, though (and here I'll readily admit the EMP/replace the psychologist bit is contrived) so he takes over interrogating Bucky to get the location. From there his plan actually is complete. Anything after that is incidental. That all three actually MADE it to Siberia and he got to see them fight in person was just icing on the cake. He could have, as before, simply sent the package to Tony at that point just to ensure the split remained.
Yes, as with any villain plan, he could get found out, but that's an issue with ANY villain plan from most films. There really aren't as many moving parts to his plan here as most people seem to think. At least not as I read the film.
Totally, plus i never get why people seem to think that just because zemo isn't a metahuman he couldn't infiltrate a facility or travel lie he does in the movie. it's not that expansive to travel as he does in the films and he was part of a death squad of some sort so he should have access to some money and have the training to pull such things off.
Yep, I agree....I am not even sure if all parts of Zemo's plan actually worked like he wanted. I mean, he certainly didn't expect Cap to figure him out, and whatever he ordered Bucky to do never happened because of Steve intervening. But he was constantly adjusting to what was happening.
I couldn’t have said it all better myself!
I admire Marvel's courage to just go back to a smaller scale. Sure, you had a shitload of at this point iconic characters beating each other up, but Civil War never reaches the kind of bombast we saw in Winter Soldier or Age of Ultron, instead focusing on the characters, the one thing people love most about those movies.
They seem to nail what works about the MCU and what doesn't, going away from Iron Man 2's or AoU's explosion-filled climaxes that turned them into a bit of a mess (though still an enjoyable one, at that).
+Kotano well said. nothing beats a character driven story. Spectacle is nice and all; but characterization is always the best.
Marvel's smart --they know that action means _nothing_ if we don't care about the characters punching each other.
+Kotano I already saw some comments saying this movie was boring. Smh.
Panther and Spidey were both great additions to the movie.
3 years later... yes they are
What i really like about this one is how it provides examples of how these characters have grown and changed over the years.
Keep in mind that in Iron Man 2, the US government tried to regulate superheroes and Tony Stark was on the complete opposite side he is now. How many other universes can have characters undergo complete reversals and still feel genuine?
It completely washed away the bad taste left in my mouth by DC's Batman vs Superman. Too bad Wonder Woman can't request an official transfer to the Marvel Universe.
+David Buckingham -- A good ol'-fashioned "OMFG!" Just to imagine Wonder Woman in the MCU. Oh, such heaven.
I'm totally okay with Gal Gadot, how about you? I could look at her all day.
+Ben Culture I was afraid she would be made into an eye-candy distraction, but her first costumed WW appearance had her doing a Captain America style shield blocking save on Batman, followed by some great looking kick-ass combat with the big baddie. It has me enthused for the possibilities of the WW movie, if they can manage to wrap a good story around it.
+David Buckingham Well it's mostly a WWI epic with Patty Jenkins as the director.
You are so wrong about Toby McGuire's Spider-Man vs. Tom Holland's. Holland knocked it out of the park so hard that Toby is still spinning. That first Spider-Man movie was fantastic, and the second was great, but I was never a fan of how he played the character. I never felt like he did a good job of really capturing who Spider-Man was, and Holland did. He nailed it so perfectly.
this movie is the best example of why bvs was a failure.
+DaBombDiggidy88 There really wast enough character development going into the fight in BvS. It was like seeing the fight clip on you tube and the reason for them fighting was written in the description.
+Adel ECDW Because they tried to have their reasons for fighting be completely plot-driven as opposed to character driven. It was "these characters have to fight because the plot says so" as opposed to "these characters don't like each other and need to work through it".
Noisemaker50 And they shouldn't have done that. If you title your movie Batman v Superman people expect the fight to be evenly sided in the aspect of the reasons for them fighting.
And to top it of This had the same basic plot as BVS
A defender of truth and justice fights a billionaire with hang-ups about his dead parents which was ultimately orchestrated by a genius super villain. While also setting up future movies especially the one about the warrior with an accent from a secret society.
btpbtpbtp Except this one did the story right.
Batman v Superman reeks of insecurity. Snyder is like "hey look, Batman is dressed like he was in The Dark Knight Returns! You loved that book, right? And he fights Superman!" Marvel, on the other hand, has been doing this for years (decades if you count the comics). They're like "we got this, we don't have anything to prove anymore, let's do something fun."
+Plaguesque I smell a DC fanboy.
+Plaguesque -- None of that is actually true. When Action Comics #1 (first appearance of Superman) was published in 1939, DC was National Comics, and Marvel was Timely Comics. Timely published Human Torch before National published Superman, then published Namor (the first comics antihero) while National published the first Batman story. Captain America was published in 1941. All three of these characters are still popular with Marvel readers today (although stories with the original Human Torch are few and far between).
+Plaguesque said *"if DC referencing the Dark knight returns in an organically logical way "reeks of insecurity", what smell does the forced inclusion of spiderman and half of the avengers roster give off!"*
AWESOMENESS.
Dude. I sympathize. Superman and Batman deserved a MUCH better movie! Not to mention Diana. She was criminally under-used. The very DAY they cast Gal Gadot, they should have renamed the project _Wonder Woman v. Batman and Superman: She Totally Beats Their Asses._
I'm hoping the extended home video version of BvS will be a more cohesive and interesting story. Either way, I only hate one guy: I openly and proudly hate Zack Snyder. The cast itself was stellar (well, except Jesse Eisenberg. He should be homeless and incontinent. Okay, I guess I hate him, too.) BvS shoud have been one of the all-time greats. I can only imagine what better writers and filmmakers could do with that cast. But here, in this one slice of the multiverse, BvS sucked and CA:CW is an instant classic.
+Plaguesque -- Nope, no hypocrisy on my part. To be accurate about what just happened, I forfeited any winnable debate by taking your intellectually-dishonest question seriously, when I SHOULD have merely called bullshit on it. Your question was bullshit. "[O]rganically logical"? You do not know what those words mean. In that order, it's complete gibberish. I assume you meant "organic and logical".
Either way, there was nothing organic OR logical about the TDKReturns references. They just adapted the cool-lookin' shit that any 15-year-old would love. The post-nuclear, withered Superman, and the big splashy fight. I was 15 when it was published in 1986. In 1986, Batman's "fat tin can" armor looked cool. It countered about 16 years of Neal Adams drawing Batman as sleek and thin as possible.
Now it just looks like "Tony STARK was able to BUILD this BETTER, in a CAVE! With a box of SCRAPS!"
They were fools to put Batman in the 1986 Frank Miller armor in this day and age, for BvS. All it does is remind me what a much better story TDKReturns is, as is _Iron Man._
What is it Batman says? "You want me? Come and get me"? or something? That's not Batman. Batman doesn't seek out unnecessary and risky punch-em-ups. Batman would tag him with a tracker, follow him home, wait for him to fall asleep, and then spear him with the Kryptonite. I mean, if we're going to talk about Batman taking a life, let's at least be true to his coldly logical, ruthlessly efficient nature. They didn't need -Nuclear Man- Doomsday. They should have just let him kill Superman. Since Superman is coming back anyway, it's a win/win -- Batman gets to hate himself and be more ashamed than ever, but we also still HAVE Superman!
BvS ends with (non-armored) Batman slipping into their shitty little hovel, murdering Clark in his sleep. Lois is screaming and backing into the corner. Batman yanks out the bloody, glowing spear and points it at Lois: *"WHAT **_ARE_** YOU?"* Hard cut to black. Roll credits.
Ben Culture I'd watch the shit out of that.
It really is impressive how Civil War is so obviously a Captain America movie, while featuring the Avengers (+Ant Man, Spider man and Black Panther) and having such a well done morally grey feel to it AND giving every member of the main cast the excact amount of screen time needed... AND still having the humor and charm the other MCU movies have.
For real though. It felt like three
films in one: Cap 3 (the main story), Avengers 2.5 and a Black Panther origin story. But it was so seamless and continues the Cap and Bucky dynamic.
I love that Bob touched on this. If you feel conflicted about who you really support, that's the movie doing this conflict right. Ultimately, it's not about the accords, who's right or wrong, but about the tragedy of two friends fighting their hardest for what they each believe to be right. You're going to sympathize with Captain America (Of course you would!), and you're equally sympathize with Iron Man. They're both right, and they're both wrong, often at the same time.
+FallenTemplar -- Thank you! That is what makes it such a powerful story.
I lean heavily towards registration. Not that the Avengers should be dogs on a leash held by the U.N. But they should be held accountable, and there should be some kind of fund for destruction of private property. I cringe every time some jackass lifts up a car and smashes it over someone else's head. I've never owned two working cars in my life. If Iron Man and Hulk destroy my car while fighting, I could easily lose my job and ruin my life. I should be able to turn to somebody and say "Are these YOUR Avengers? Great, you're replacing my car, bitches."
Because if Cap just told me "In this job, you try to spare as much private property as you can. Sometimes, that doesn't mean all of it." I dunno, I'd be thrilled to meet Captain America, but then I'd immediately think 'Oh, no, but he's a dick.'
+Ben Culture This was one epic ass read.
Every single BVS fan boy hid their face in shame once they finished watching this movie.
😂😂😂😂 true
No they attacked the marvel fan pages and trolled really hard
You're a genius! This review is so well thought out and analytical, great job!
+TeaDrinker3000
I don't always agree with Bob but he is always smart and thoughtful. Even films we disagree on I can really see his point of view and appreciate the time he takes to lay it out.
+Geahk Burchill it is best to not always agree with a critic. Bob is my favorite movie critic/reviewer, even when he bashes a movie I enjoy.
Dakota go troll elsewhere
Black Panther: The super hero movie you didn't know you wanted until you saw Civil War. That movie is going to be awesome.
+moviebob please do a full spoiler review.
I mean wait several weeks so people see it, but I want a full in depth review.
+mrtalos Gonna have to second this.
+mrtalos I don't think he needs to produce two separate reviews just like other popular youtubers are doing. He's a film critic, and Moviebob doesn't really return to movies he's reviewed. Always producing each one with the intent of it having some long-lasting conclusion or message. Back when he had multiple shows, he would use The Big Picture/In Bob We Trust to touch on game changer pieces like Avengers or Man of Steel to talk about not the movie specifically but how they change the expectations for their respective universes. And we got a bit of that here anyway.
+Glennjamin Glutton normally I would agree.
however in this case with the difference between the source material and the film, that would be massively spoilerfull, I think Bob's input would be both welcome, informative, and interesting.
Not sure that a really that good episode is right for this film.
no need for a full spoiler review. while the outcome is very important in the grand scheme of the MCU, the film is way more about the events in it than the outcome of those events.
+mrtalos Half in the Bag often does spoiler review in the first week of a movie's release.
Tony- ‘We need to be reined in, remember what happened in New York?”
Cap- “Yea, the suits took over and tried to nuke the city”
Tony- “Ok but what about what happened in Washington DC?”
Cap- “The suits took over and used the heli-carriers you designed”
Tony- “What about what happened in Sokovia?”
Cap- “The genocidal AI you created tried to destroy the world”
Tony- “Look we need to be reined in”
Cap- “You fuck up and suddenly its ‘we’? Seems more like the suits and you need to be reined in”
YES! thank you. The movie needed those lines so much to become the movie that moviebob thinks he saw
+MrSumima I kinda felt that guilt and weight just from RDJ's eyes and how he was blamed by that woman for her son's death.
Oh my god thank you for this line. I too wish I'd seen the movie Bob thought he saw. Civil War was a terrible choice of story and they didn't remotely make it work. Winter Soldier works because the plot is tight and all the action fits the story but in Civil War it's just a bunch of stuff that happens. Geeky fun? Hell yeah; but this had none of the smarts of Winter Soldier. Lazy movie making. Just because it was the only decent movie of the big four blockbusters doesn't make it great by default. As Ultron has totally grown on me I'll give it many more chances but it's praise doesn't jive.
Acrocanthosaurus Fair. but there were other characteres in the room present in NY. Including one who's in love with a nive guy that uncontrolably transforms into a giant green monster. Does anyone use Bruce as an argument around that table?
+MrSumima Yep, "Do you know where Thor and Banner are? Would you misplace two nukes".
Hizah! This is one of my favorite parts of each new Marvel/DC film release: the Movie Bob review!
It works great with the other two Captain America because it continues the trend of his world view evolves while never letting the world around him pressure him into going against doing the right thing, while still being complex enough to still make mistakes
Cap 1: Rogers fights to save his best friend and country
Cap 2: Rogers is forced to fight his best friend and country
Cap 3: Rogers is forced to choose between his best friend and country
Any movie featuring Ant-Man is VERY serious.
+Thisold Hatte "i don't think that word means, what you think it means"- the princess bride.
+Thisold Hatte Paul Rudd is a very serious dude
< "i don't think that word means, what you think it means"- the princess bride.>
I think it is _inconceivable_ that anyone could miss the reference.
I don't smoke, but this movie was so satisfying that I wanted to when it was over.
This has been out here for just about a week (I live in Ireland) and I'm already so on board with this review. If Marvel break their streak of fantastic films and drop a Batman v. Superman-esque clanger, it won't hurt them at all because there's no fucking way anything they put out, at this stage, could be anywhere near as bad as that absolute trainwreck of a film.
This film gave me the most satisfying cinema experience I've had in quite a long time.
+Gareth O'Malley Agreed. Just came home from seeing it and while I seriously mark it down for shaky-cam fight scenes (come on guys, we know they can all fight, stop shaking and cutting and let us see it), it was overall a very good movie.
And that's even more starkly contrasted against seeing BvS just a few weeks ago and how much of a dumpster fire that movie was.
Now THAT'S how you do a spoiler free movie review, unlike all these other UA-camrs who do movie discussion and call them reviews, and end up spoiling things anyway even when they claim it's spoiler-free. Critics are forgetting how to review movies without spoiling anything these days.
BTW I agreed with damn near everything mentioned except for the part at the end about the Raimi Spiderman movies. Those flicks were very average and they've actually aged pretty damn badly. It's obvious they really tried hard to mimic the magic of the old Superman movie though.
+Juls Token Don't know about the first two (haven't fully seen them), but I actually thought Spider-Man 3 was decent.
Unfortunately, my opinion means nothing because Sam Raimi regrets the film - when a creator admits their own work sucks, it means we fans were objectively wrong, and our feelings about the film were wrong. And we must now side with the creator.
Bob, I was really looking forward to hearing your take on Hardcore Henry.
+Jack Man moviebob.blogspot.com/2016/04/review-hardcore-henry-2016.html
great, thanks. I personally loved it, I was disappointed it only got a 51 on RT.
+Jack Man it is a bummer about HH's rotten score, but it doesn't surprise me. no matter how good it might be, it's not a movie for everyone. you have to like action movies first, then not get motion sickness, and be okay with first person perspective. so anyone that goes to see it without meeting those points, will not enjoy it and give a poor rating
+Jack Man Meh, I wasn't disappointed; the rating is not all that surprising. Sometimes (often?), critical consensus of a movie is lower than its audience appeal. Sometimes, that critics and audiences are on the same page. I think this is one of those rare action flicks which the critics like the movie slightly more than audiences - which, sadly, is still not all that much.
This movie is essentially "What if [Transformers] was made by a clever person," and I loved the hell out of it. But audiences were never going to come out for it in large numbers because they can't handle anything not based on a pre-existing property and hyped to hell anymore, and it is by nature divisive in its exuberance and willful absurdity for moviegoers and critics alike.
I love your point about how refreshing it is to see a superhero movie where a deep, personal conflict between characters isn't resolved just because the catalytic problem that exposed that conflict is resolved.
Just like in real life, sometimes a conflict merely brings to light long festering wounds and raw nerves that can't be buried again. That's what makes this conflict particularly tragic, in a movie that is otherwise so light and fun. The final scene between Captain America and Iron Man may be my favorite scene in the entire MCU franchise.
I'm sorry but...I cannot agree with the Spider Man. From what I saw in Civil War he's a much better character.
Toby Maguire was a very believable Peter and Spider Man in the first film, but I never saw him as anything other than a squeaky highschooler in 2 and 3. And good lord the writing for his quips was awful. "It's you that's out, Gobby. Out of your mind!"
New Spider Man however was much better written, is a great Peter and also a great voice for Spider Man character. He has some genuinely funny one liners "That thing does NOT obey the laws of physics..." and despite my misgivings, I actually like the animated eyes. Especially since they went a little way to explaining them within the context of the movie.
Oh, also kudos for Marvel not bothering to tell his origins because they're well aware that there are tribes of humans as yet undiscovered by the developed world who can quote Spider Man's story to you verbatim.
Although that footage did make me pine for a Netflix Spider Man show...
+DragonNexus The original is still my favourite, but while Maguire erred on the side of nerdy, and Gafield was much too cocky, Holland's character has a great balance of the two.
+DakNJaxter SPOILERS BELOW
*steals Cap's shield, then gestures apologetically* "Hi, Mr Rodgers; Big fan."
XD I agree; perfect mix of cocky and nerdy.
+DakNJaxter Holland's feels more like his quips and talking come naturally, is what I like. The nerd isn't forced, the hero banter isn't forced, it just feels more real.
I am early! Time to make a joke!
....
DC cinematic universe.
HA!...I get it!
+Арсений Брилёв You didn't make that, DC did!
Martha!!!
+Арсений Брилёв Maaaarthaa!
+Арсений Брилёв I lol'd!
Got to say it, this feels like the proper successor to the Avengers film. Though AoU is worth watching in its own right, this ups the standards for the new phase just as its immediate predecessor did, and Ironman did just before that.
If this really does set the standard for tone, action and story for phase 3 in the run up to Infinity War just as Ironman did for phase 1in the run up to Avengers and Avengers did for phase 2 in the run up to Civil War, then we can expect some next level stuff from over the coming years.
While I don't blame you for feeling that way, I do want to point out that _Civil War_ only works as well as it does _because_ it's a sequel to movies like _Age of Ultron_ and _Winter Soldier_.
There was no way this film could've worked without such a strong "foundation" of prior films to build upon.
That's pretty undeniable, sure, but I feel that that's a good thing.
By praising CA:CW we indirectly praise the MCU as a whole. Though I believe the standard of action and story are good enough to exist in own right, it is certainly true the learning curve for each of the characters back stories, motivations and powers is very steep (or even non existent in some cases) in this movie which would have put viewers off had they not the benefit of a pre-existing foundation - but the fact is they do, and, as you said, an incredibly strong one at that.
No-one judges any of these films on their own merits any more. The whole reason they even bothered to make this a franchise (aside from the money) is because of the special kind of pay-off such a medium lends itself to and CA:CW IS the pay-off that comes with such great franchise building. In fact, I'm inclined to think that even a great standalone CW film (if such a thing were even possible) would be inferior to the heavily enfranchised one we have now.
+Paradox Acres Kinda like Deathly Hallows part 2 and Return of the King right?
I think Moviebob is a long lost relative of the fast talking Micro Machines/Federal Express guy.
more like one guy that begun like the movie version of Yatzhee from Zero Punctuation
He's a UA-cam cliche.... He needs to slow down or add emotion. He's not even really being honest he is reading a script in order to sound smart.
Not that other people don't do that but he just wants to sound like every other critic rather than give an alternative view. He never really has a point he is just spewing out things we already know about the MCU.
I hate the new kid in the block feeling to him.
You're just too fucking dumb to understand what he's trying to say.
He's reading _his own_ script. What else can a writer do, in a world in which nobody reads?
This movie is my all time favorite movie. Ever. I left the theater amazed at how good it was.
THEN YOU ARE LOST!
It's hard to blame you for loving it so much--it's fucking amazing.
Top Thirty for me.
I have not seen it but I probably will love it, however as a huge superman fan this movies success hurts that much more because BvS was not only one of the worst movies I've ever seen but WB completely shit on superman and ruined his character. Now I have to go enjoy yet another marvel movie. #screwtheDCU
+Joseph Diaz As somebody who prefers Marvel over DC most of the time (with the exception being cartoons, I prefer the DC animated universe to any Marvel cartoon), I feel really bad for DC fans because of how much of a disaster Man of Steel and Batman V. Superman are.
+laz kar DCMU
Agreed. I will always take Marvel over DC because i cant relate to gods. However I enjoy comic book movies and would like to see Marvel have some healthy competition to keep them on their toes.
Fox made me hate X-Men, my absolute favorite comic of all time. I would hate to see the same thing happen for DC fans.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm a biased Marvel fan. BUT, although the DC movies have not been great, there are some things to get excited about (aka Wonder Woman) I think that once they finally invest in telling a good story and get rid of Zach Snyder, they could have something special on their hands. I'm cautiously optimistic.
this was the best review ive seen on youtube, god damn, subbed
I thought Agents of SHIELD season 3 was pretty good, their addiction parallel to Hive, the Lash stuff (aside from the resolve), the Rosalind/Coulson relationship, Coulson's revenge, Secret Warrior setup, Simmons arch, Fitz/Simmons relationship, and Brett Dalton's performance as a Hive.
That's just some of the big stuff off the top of my head. Somethings could have used some work but overall it was quite a good season and in my opinion continues it's trend of improving upon itself with each season.
To each their own though.
Your comments at the end about Spider-man and Superman was well said. That is how i have felt for a while. Glad im not the only one.
There were three things that bugged me about the film.
1. Hawkeye's completely spontaneous dislike for Tony when the two exchanged words, which was never even hinted at in any of the previous films they shared.
2. Iron Man going for the kill against Bucky out of revenge, turning what would have otherwise been a duel between two likable heroic characters fighting for their own beliefs into Iron Man being clearly in the wrong when he fought against Captain America.
3. Baron Zemo, the villain behind the entire thing, who was utterly forgettable even when compared to some of the less memorabe Marvel cinematic villains.
With that said, I can still forgive the small mistakes and holes in logic made in the Marvel cinematic movies because of just how much goes into all of them.
+chucknorrisismypal 3 that's actually a different problem because in the end "spoiler" it turns out he's not Baron Zemo, He's just a sokovian bloke called Zemo who's lost his family, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS BY ITSELF IF YOU'RE A COMICBOOK FAN.
But yeah still, that's sort of the point, I think they've cut some scenes but the fact that nobody went "ahah.... he's THAT Zemo".
Toby McGuire is your peter Parker. The shit talking add bundle of quips, awkwardness and sheer righteousness is my peter Parker. Holland is the best actor in the film behind evans
agree
Maquire was a good Spider-Man. Just like Christian Bale was fantastic as Batman.
+SepticHead
That's a very apt comparison to make, considering that they're both good portrayals that have some really stupid quirks--like Bale's grumbly voice.
+MegaFunnymonkey123 I can only agree with this sentiment, this version of Peter Parker and of Spiderman, because yes, those are two different characters, hit it out of the park in just about every way. While McGuire did a very good job, this version is so much more fulfilling.
+MegaFunnymonkey123 Robert Downey Jr shakes head in disbelief
I wish you'd speak a little faster.
That's what 2x speed is for. :)
Iron Fist is a TV show. And Bob is the first in line to hate it.
I personally loved Cap 2 (it's actually one of my favourite movies overall) and Iron Man 3 was pretty good and Guardians 2 (at least I guess this is GG 2) was great. Just a tad forgettable.
>To each their own. Iron Man 3 and GG 2 are also critically acclaimed enough and with Cap 2 basically everyone is on board that this a very good and refreshing take on the superhero genre.
So please don't state that as if it was a universally accepted truth. It's your opinion which you are free to have.
I saw it and this guy said everything I would tell to an audience about the film. Civil war is fantastic!
With two and a half years of hindsight, maybe the *most* important thing this one did was to introduce Black Panther. His arc is a great introduction to the character and means his own movie can go on to bigger concerns.
Man it feels so good to be an international viewer and having already seen the film. I'm spoiler immune now and can go into any discussion without worrying.
Edit: It seems increasingly clear to me that the Raimi Spider-Man has a personal place in your heart Bob that will probably put you in the minority among your colleagues when it comes to the MCU Spider-Man and that's ok. To me Holland is the best Spider-Man and Peter Parker by a country mile. No one embodied the dichotomy between Peter Parker, the nervous nerd with a hint of self-loathing turned superhuman, and Spider-Man, the let's be honest mean all ego manifestation of Parker's innermost desires as well as he has.
I thin Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man yet. waiting to see if this opinion holds up after his solo movie, but I wasn't the biggest Toby Maguire fan to begin with
+MBase Great analysis!
My friends all walked out of this movie declaring him to be the best Spiderman ever. It was a joy to have that additional treat in an already excellent movie full of so many other treats.
yeah, that's what my problem with past Peter Parkers. He's a multi faceted character, and it felt like previous versions were just avatars of one of the aspects that made Peter Parker. Toby Maguire had the social awkward, innocent, idealistic side of him, but I didn't buy him being hyper intelligent, and he was not funny or witty at all, he bordered boring really. Andrew Garfield was the opposite, I believed that he was intelligent, he was witty, or at least had more wit than Maguire had, but was a little too cool to be Peter Parker. Oh, and both did not look like highschool students. Garfield looked like a college student, and Maguire looked even older than that. So far, with what little we saw with Holland, he looks the part, he seemed very innocent, geeky, intelligent, and he was very witty, his dialog was excellent, the best Spidey script yet.
I loved the TMaguire movies in the same way I thought I liked the first Transformers. The spectacle and the excitement of seeing the characters on the big screen drew me in. Yet on later viewings it's very clear the movies actually leave much to be desired.
Honestly it has become my favorite comic book movie ever.
you forgot the dark knight
Yuvi Singh No I didn't I find it tad overrated
Oddly enough Civil War is what finally strung me along in the MCU. I never watched the Phase 1 and 2 movies because I was so annoyed Ant Man and Wasp aren't in the Avengers.
trisha Hernz Watch them anyway dude, don't be one of those comic snobs
It's a solid pick.Top 5 for sure.
Best thing about this: A Spiderman who's actually a kid. My only exposure to Spiderman growing up was that 70s live action TV show, which cast a guy in his thirties. I didn't even realise Peter Parker was supposed to be a kid until the first movie, and even then it was just Tobey Maguire pretending to be a kid.
+wratched He was only a kid for like the first 20 or so issues of SpiderMan. Then he graduated High School, got put into the adult world, but kept getting screwed over because of his responsibilities as SpiderMan. SpiderMan being a kid wasn't something that happened until the ultimate series. One of the major draws to SpiderMan was he was for the most part an ordinary guy (yeah he was super scientist smart but worked for pennies at the Daily Bugle getting shit on by his boss constantly) who was gifted power to be a hero and being a hero has had a pretty damning cost on his adult life.
Cheeky bastard making us wait for that reprieve at the end to hear your thoughts on Spidey. Well played sir.
I laughed at that.
It was a nice touch.
this is by far the best avengers film in the marvel movies
Speaking of the Richard DonnerSuperman movie, how is progress on Really That Good: Superman?
+IllCaesar I'm eagerly awaiting it too
I would guess a Really That Good takes 40 hours to make by himself, so probably about 3 to 4 months.
Pretty stoned right now, and perhaps just flustered and tricked by fast talking, but this might just be one of the greatest youtube videos ever made. Each paragraph is thoroughly insightful, flawlessly and wittily written, and delivered without flaw. I am enriched on several levels for having seen it, and not one second of my time was wasted in over 9 minutes. You outdid yourself with this one, Mr. Chipman.
They should just give the rights of DC back to Marvel already...
War Machine gets crippled by Vision. No one dies.
+Do NoT AdJuSt YoUr MoNiToR Yh i know... Dunno why they just didnt kill war machine or bucky at least
+Captain Scarlet Because it's Marvel. No important character deaths are allowed. The status quo must be maintained otherwise the audience will think too much.
*****
sucks bruh...
+Do NoT AdJuSt YoUr MoNiToR except Superman isn't dead. He's already marketed to be back for Justice League.
Have I mentioned how much I look forward to your reviews??? Thanks Bob! I'm soooooooo pumped to see this!!!
Bob, you nailed it! Thank you for your input.
I want to know how the antagonist dragged a dead body into their hotel room without being noticed.
+TenebrousFilms I think he probably had the guy drugged and stashed away in the room until he wanted him to be found. Keep in mind, he was only in that hotel room for a couple of days and he probably denied any cleaning service.
Bob still makes one of the best reviews this side of the superhero genre cinematic universe
A lot, and I mean A LOT, of reviews of this movie are saying that Holland is the best Spidey to date, but I can't help but feel like we haven't seen enough to even make a claim like that yet. Sure, this was a great sample of what may be to come, but how do you extrapolate that to him being "the best."
Yeah..the hype for Holland's Spidey seems *insane* to me, too.
Cameos are far easier to pull off than standalone films. (Just look at the Hulk and how tough it for them to craft a solo film for Ruffalo's Hulk)
I would say Agents of SHIELD season 3 isn't bad it's just messy. The characters are better than ever and it's pacing is very quick (sometimes a little too fast)
+Blake Johnson It's way better than season 1 tho, that was garbage
+WhateverReally I didn't think season 1 was horrible, but it was painfully mediocre
Blake Johnson The first half (anything that happens before Cap 2) is really just "Fan-service : the TV show"
+WhateverReally basically yeah. Season 2 was a really well done retooling of the series while season 3 is more exciting. I think the writers bit off more than they could chew with season 3, but it's still fun to watch
Blake Johnson Yeah, also feels like because of the Inhumans movie, they're not allowed to go too crazy with what they do on the show
on your so-called loopholes regarding someone would be able to manipulate so many people and situations...how bout The Joker in The Dark Knight...??? at least, with Zemo, he's explained to be part of the Sokovian special ops..he even said it took him quite a while to decrypt all the shield infos released by Widow on the net... but, at least Zemo's a more plausible mastermind than a crazy street punk like Joker.
I like the 3rd season to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
It is admittedly a slow burn, but these are the people that work in the shadows of the MCU, they have some tangible effect in the MCU, but they have their own problems to deal with.
Glad you're back! I had a hankering for this kind of analysis.
Overall I'd say Winter Soldier is better, because it is a movie with comic book characters, instead of a comic book movie. And [Spoiler]'s "omniscience" is well told, but still barely tolerable. if his motivation wasn't so clear at the end and that well hinted at during all that red herring waving, I'd say this movie was barely above Ultron. but as is, it's is a pretty god damn good movie and leaves, except for a few head scratches, the other Marvel movies in it's dust.
But still, blaming the Avengers for destroying New York because they stopped an alien invasion minutes before the government was about to nuke the place is kinda stupid and I bet the writers just forgot, or shrugged and retconned.
+Rawbeard Don't forget that the whole "New York was the Avengers' fault" thing didn't start in this movie. Mere minutes after the battle, you can see a senator claiming they have to take responsibility for what happened. It's just how they work, apparently :p
Bob you nailed it , this one felt less structurally coherent than Winter Soldier but the trade off was a percentage good over total good kind of thing which made this a better film in some ways. There is a lot of ad hoc but it's payoff made it worth it.
It reminded me of The Dark Knight a bit which had some of the same plot issues.
thanks bob i haven't seen this yet and i felt this was spoiler free enough.
Really like your style Bob. I'm developing my own review video now. Working on channel and all. So I have allot of respect for your originality, delivery, and opinion explanation. Def Subbed.
I agree with everything that you said other than Tobey Maguire. I don't like his take at all. To me Tom Holland is the only Spider-Man that we've gotten because Maguire and Garfield didn't do it for me.
Same here. I just don't like Toby. The Peter Parker in this did very well, I thought
+Ren Davis I like Maguire's Peter Parker. A nerd and social outcast who is emotionally vulnerable.
I like Garfield's Spider-Man. Snarky as fuck.
Tom Holland's is the perfect portrayal: vulnerable without the mask, snarky as fuck with the mask.
+TrueRomancer04 that is true that is the kind of Spider-Man I've always wanted to see someone who showed vulnerability without the mask and someone who showed that kind of smack with the mask
+Ren Davis -- We finally got the chatterbox Spider-Man we've been reading for decades. I'd be lying if I said I caught every word he said during the fight. But oh, how I loved them for finally getting the character _right!_
This kinda of review cures my superhero fatigue. As a fan of cinema and superheros I don’t really miss any of these and somtimes you just need to hear a well written opinion to reignite you passion. A lot to be proud of here bob
Great review, worth the wait as much as the movie was.
Nice review, thank you for no spoilers. Also I like what you say about Sam Raimi Spiderman being like Richard Donner Superman.
Zemos plan did not hinge on him predicting the exact circumstances. This cannot be said enough. People assume because it played out this way, that this was the exact and only wat zemo intended. The fact is, Zemo would have moved on to a new version of his plan if this hadnt worked out to his liking, and we actually see him do that in the film. I don't know why anybody thought the film hinged on him being able ti predict everthing. It didn't. It simply didnt.
Keep up the good work Bob. Your reviews are always spot on.
great review man i miss you at escapist its too bad they didnt appreciate the fact you were why people came.
+Peter Parker Him, AND jim, AAAANNNNNDDDD Yahtzee.
Marcos Danilo ya holy trinity lol
+Marcos Danilo Funnily enough, if you check out the long term traffic you can see that when Jim left an entire third of the audience left and never returned. The site is around a quarter of what it was pulling before Bob and Jim left.
+IllCaesar i know, i still watch their stuff,(more Jim, less Movie bob). The only things in the site that i watch now, are Yahtzee's stuff.
I love bob, but his ego took him away form escapist, don't reinforce it
Wow, if only all of you reviews were this even handed and thoughtful I might subscribe again.
You know what I just realized - this movie could easily act as a catalyst for an actual adaptation of the Demon in a Bottle storyline.
+Adam Sherman Daaaaayum. Good point.
***** The original comic was PG13 as well - but I don't recall Iron Man 3 addressing Tony's alcoholism.
Hey, just one thing, the villain didn't actually plan for everything, a lot of it was just him going with the flow. He had info and he knew when to use it. And some things that happened were just chance that he took advantage of.
So... is "really that good"?
+TheTrueChuster I think not. Only Spiderman 2, Superman, and The Dark Knight (maybe The Avengers) are "really that good" for Bob.
+Jose Colella and Spider-man 1
+Jose Colella Add Spiderman since he did a RTG for both. Avengers also got a RTG so no maybe about that one.
Great review.
Its just a shame that your positive reviews don't get as many views!
holy shit, where the hell have you been?!
Recovering from Batman v Superman
+Michael French recovering from how good it was?
+Michael French I can relate.
+I'mBatmanAndIKnowIt Yah ... that was it, it made me literally feel clean inside once i was done throwing up
Great review as always, Bob. Glad to hear your thoughts, you're always the most extensive reviewer I follow now-a-days. Though, not gonna lie, I think I prefer the still images with occasionally punchline picture. I understand you probably wanted to up the quality (this is Civil War, and I know you're gonna get a spike in views which means you want this to look as polished as possible), but I've tried to avoid trailers and footage and eventually had to open up a separate tab so that I didn't indulge myself before the movie.
Otherwise, great time, great points, and excited for the movie tonight. Woot!
Toby McGuire was great fantastic as Peter Parker, but I always found his Spider-Man lacking (though I think that was mainly down to the writing). And while Andrew Garfield was a terrible Peter Parker (and both 'Amazing' films overall sucked), I thought his take on Spider-Man in the second film (from a purely character stand-point) was the best to that point.
I felt Holland, however, performed both sides better than his predecessors, both individually, and as a complete package.
+ByMonitorLight And he acted like a REAL TEENAGER, not a 20-something playing the role of a teenager! Yes, Peter/Spidey had some angst issues to work out but he also allowed himself to have fun while he was fighting and I look forward to seeing Holland do what Garfield did in those fight-the-bad-guys scenes.
+David T. Smith It helps that he *is* a real teenager, or at least was at the time of casting (albeit barely).
once again love your reviews bob
this movie the dc version:
you have a black buddy who is named James too? Lets be best buds.
+alphaBravoAB Ha ha ha, yes exactly, well said! :)
+Dakota Hazel well not a lot of people agree with you. But if you dont like it thats your perogative. Now if you don't like it because BvS was shit that's just stupid. I'm bummed out that that movie sucked because i wanted to see a good question or blue beetle but with this its not going to happen
+Dakota Hazel *SPOILERS AHEAD* I'd say Iron Man watching Winter Soldier kill his parents is a 100% better reason to fight than two moms named Martha are a good reason to stop fighting.
Howdy, Happy Movie Bob! It's nice to see you again. :-D
+Lance Snead Yeah, more of this please. And I DON'T mean the still foul-mouthed MovieBob like we got in his review of The Martian.
+Rubberman202 -- What the fucking fuck?!? MovieBob curses. MovieBob MUST curse. Come on. The poor bastard sits through so many bad movies for us. If it weren't for him, I might have gone into _Batman v. Superman_ with high hopes, and been crushed. He can say whatever he wants!
Good review, Bob, but you should REALLY tune-up your audio editing. A lot of the cuts you make are jarring and awkward, and I can hear when you take a breath into your mic.
Just as a fan of your work, I really appreciate when you keep the spoilers to a minimum. Looking forward to the next Really that Good
Regarding your first point, I do think Thor 2 and Age of Ultron are pretty mediocre, if not bad, but the way both of those movies serve the larger cinematic universe does make them better in context of the good to great movies.
+Samuel Cannon I thought the first cap america was the worst. But whilst Age of ultron wasn't as good as 1, it was a harder movie to pull off and most other directors would have sunk it. It had to play from the past, lead into the future and all be it's own thing while hitting the check points the producers put in.
+Alucard The first Cap movie is actually my favorite MCU film. Not the one I think is the *best* but the one but the one that resonates with me.
+Man Down Under What I love about the First Cap movie is how simple it is. The villain loves being evil. No tragic back story, no sympathetic reasons, Nothing but drive and motivation. And Cap is just the blue boyscout with an unshifting moral compass pre and post serum. It's just a feel good movie that reminded me of those Donner Superman movies.
I have to scrub through to watch Batman v. Superman. This movie I always look forward to seeing the whole way through
The only thing that can stop Marvel now... Superpro.
+saltygrasshopper :-?
I have that book! Er, one of those. The first issue. Did they ever make more? That first one was pretty terrible.
+Mitsuraga
I think they were obligated to do a full 12 issue run by the NFL. But I only saw the first issue myself.
Thanks for addressing Spidey at the very end, I got all I needed to hear, time to buy my tickets at the Drafthouse.
Tom Holland is adorable.
Spot on review, Bob.
***** Great argument, man. You really convinced me there. I now believe that this movie is the same level of trash as Batman v Superman or some modern Adam Sandler film.
Goddammit, me from 4 years ago. This is all you had to say to dismantle their argument:
"Civil War is bad because Hawkeye had no motivation to be there" is an asinine argument.
1) Yes, he did have motivation. He had to save the fucking world from evil super soldiers.
"But what about his family?"
He already risked his life to save the world twice prior. This isn't character inconsistency, so don't even try to spin it that way.
2) Even IF he had no motivation/reason to be there (which he did), that wouldn't suddenly turn the WHOLE film bad. Think about it for one second. Saying an ENTIRE film is bad because *1 SIDE CHARACTER* had poor motivations is putrid logic. Ffs, Clint had such little screen time that he hardly even registers as a side character.
I like Season 3 of Agents...
I like it too. I still think season 2 is the best so far though. You can't beat something like Daisy "coming out of her shell". The score in that moment was perfect. Or Fitz's struggle with the aftermath of hypoxia.
I like it too. But it's still no where as good as season 2.
+Duke Spubber It's good but I do fear that they might cancel the show after season 4 since the Agents have pretty much wiped out HYDRA and main baddie Grant Ward is officially dead and Hive is just wearing him as a corpse suit. Still, I guess the writers could keep bringing in the other Marvel terrorists groups like they did the Watchdogs (Ultimatum, the Resistance, and AIM).
I think that you perfectly summarized why I loved this movie. The plot was "small" as the stakes were more relatable even with enhanced individuals flying, jumping and controlling objects. However I am still looking forward to GotG2 and Doctor Strange!
In all honesty... I dont see marvel making a better movie than this.
+Captain Scarlet Agreed. And yet, us spoiled brats will want more...
In my opinion, winter soldier was better. Avengers assemble too.
Well, it's hard to surpass near perfection. If the films keep beeing good, who cares if they're not better than Civil War?
+Captain Scarlet They already made better movies.
+Captain Scarlet The frightening thing is that I used to say that about The Avengers, and then Winter Soldier, and now Civil War. At this point we can only hope for the best and let Marvel work their magic.
Always great to hear your reviews.
Great review...but Tobey Maguire was an utterly shithouse Spiderman/Peter Parker combo. Spiderman 2 was a very good movie and Spiderman 1 was good...but both could be described as "Great, except for Tobey Maguire". He didn't ruin those movies, but he was by far the worst thing about them and what made them pretty good, but by today's standards, they would be "just a movie" quality - like most of Ant Man, Age of Ultron, Iron Man 2 & 3, both Thor movies and the first Captain America movie.
I *loved* The First Avenger, but pretending it's as good as Winter Soldier (which I appreciate the hell out of, but don't really love) would be dumb.
Pretending Spiderman 1 & 2 (let's just ignore #3 - it sucked almost completely) are cinema classics instead of pretty good movies (and probably the best superhero movies seen at that point) is no different. I get that you love those movies, but they are really not that great - which isn't to say that they weren't good movies, because they were (with a couple of great moments - eg: the train scene).
New Spidey is *easily* the best Spiderman/Peter Parker we've had so far - everybody already forgot they wanted Miles Morales. It's not even close, both previous incarnations have fans and detractors, but new guy is almost universally loved.
That's not to say that his standalone movie will actually be any good of course - but we've already seen more great moments from him than we ever did from Tobey Maguire.
Couldn't agree with you more about McGuire. Moviebob is blinded by nostalgia.
to be honest the same can be said for superman I-II. the nostalgia factor plays a part
I think Reeve nailed Superman more than Mcguire ever nailed Spider-Man, the movies he was in could have been better but its hard to argue Reeve was the weak link.
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OH MY GOD! I MISSED YOU MOVIEBOB! I literally just found out you are on UA-cam now and I couldn't hit that Subscribe Button Fast enough!
Marvel already made an absolutely terrible movie and it's called Iron Man 2.
+A most excellent dude who is totally not bogus! I don't know... Batman v Superman is certainly not a good movie... but I didn't despise it like I despised Iron Man 2.
+Mad Swan Different strokes for different folks. I hated every minute of Iron Man 2.
+Daniel King I feel like that one was a mediocre mess, but still enjoyable, especially with Sam Rockwell, the excellent fight scenes, and Scarlet Johansson.
+Mad Swan It's been a while but I remember thinking the movie was a colossal mess - unfocused, poorly paced, bad jokes, uninteresting character motivations, etc...
Good to have you back MovieBob. It's been way too long.
+ixkariot Next will be X-Men: Apocalypse, then we don't hear from Bob until Suicide Squad.
+19Szabolcs91 I remember the days when he reviewed a movie a week on the Escapist :-(
+ixkariot Yeah, unfortunatlely he got fired, and found a new job at Screenrant to write news and speculation articles after a brief contract with Screwattack. It probably gives him more money than making videos, but those articles have zero lasting value.
Had to turn this off. The frantic pace was way too much.
One of your best reviews ever Bob