I'm so glad I found this video. It's so well presented and full of factual material. The forestry and plants pictured in the film are alluring and breathtaking in their majesty and beauty. It inspires some optimism and offers a ray of hope that in spite of the unrelenting encroachment of humankind, there are still people who care and are endeavoring to their utmost to preserve what little of nature still remains on this planet for us all and for future generations to see. It is terribly saddening to realize how much is gone and how integral it is to our very nature and survival.
Why would anyone dislike this wonderful video? People who want to kill every tree and then slowly die of asphyxiation? I truly love old growth forests, any human creation pales in comparison to majesty of nature.
@@paulmacfarlane207 Please take the time to watch the video to see specific examples of where remnant old-growth forest areas persist around The Commonweath.
There aren't many areas in the world like old growth, I've visited one, amazing wildlife and micro insect world, the floor of the old growth is spongy and alive. 🙏
I spent the best five summers of my life in northeast Pennsylvania, in Wayne county, at a summer camp just outside the town of Honesdale. It was a beautiful spot. Once the power went out, and you could see the whole of the Milky Way Galaxy. If that wasn't enough, a meteor shower started. I just lay on the ground in awe, watching the sky. That was nearly forty years ago, and remains the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I still dream about it sometimes.
I love to hike alone in the vast forests, far from the maddening crowd, dirt, and noise of modern life. Hiking in the rain is also a delightful experience, relaxing and refreshing.
I live in an area in N. Georgia. On my property I have an area that is on a very steep area. I have several what I consider to be old growth. I have several tulip poplar trees that are 7ft. around and bigger. I have one hickory that is about 300 years old. All in all I have 6 giant trees. That is continued on the propertys that border mine with more of these giants that were probably spared due to the steep terrain they are on.
In front of my old house across the street there is an elm tree that stands well over 100ft tall but the trunk is amazingly huge ! It takes 4 to 5 grown men holding hands stretched out around the trunk to complete. it has to be at least 300 yrs old.
Once and a while I am out in the woods and find a really big one. I came across an oak in WV when hunting I called the "Keebler tree". I bet three of us could not reach around it. It was up on a flat jutting out from a rocky slope. Fire and loggers could not get to it. The upper story was tremendous. Sometimes you will see huge oaks in the woods that are way bigger than the other trees and are in a line. Probably an old fence line. It is not logging wiping out the Pennsylvania forests, it is bugs, disease, and blight. Our whole forest is dying because of it. I live right across from a State Park and I sat on the porch last summer and watched the spotted lantern flies coming out of the park. I hunted a place last year that used to have a sidehill of hemlocks. Half the hill is now brown from a parasite. I remember the big gypsie moth oak kill in the 70's. The ash trees have the emerald borer killing them. The beech trees have some kind of blight. Our laurel has had a blight for years. It will take a lot more than just not cutting a tree to have "Old growth" forests.
Beside the "scenic grandeur" we as stewards and outdoor conservationists enjoy we should automatically come to realize that the woods and fields are constantly providing we humans with a freshness that can only be had by being surrounded by Nature and it`s abundance of rejuvenatory blessings.These woodlands and fields bordering them must be looked upon as not only "treasures" but more to the fact that they are essential to humans being able to live with clean air and mountain irrigation from streams and springs which must also be tended to in order to extend their virtues for the wildlife and man as well.Nature all around us must be taken care of if we as humans wish to have an existence that will be healthy and vital to everything around us.We are the stewards of the land and the responsibilities must be shouldered in order to maintain not only our lives but wildlife as well if it is to remain for years to come.
Great video! Also, great job on purchasing the mineral rights for Tionesta! Now just make sure they don't get into the wrong hands at some time or another!! Being a "beginner forester", I know not much, but I have compiled many documents and articles relating to Old-Growth through PA, as well for most of the East-Coast. You wouldn't know how much I want to become a environmental educationist as well as conservation forester in the future! Also worth mentioning is Ricketts Glen State Park, which has around 2000 acres of Old-Growth which surround the glen's 22 waterfalls, and it was here that the world record age for a Hemlock was found at 988 years of age decades ago! I have found a few new Old-Growth tracts mainly in Southeast PA, most of them on public parks and preserves that were previously unknown, and I don't know where I could go to put them into a list or something. I have put a few locations and reports of old-growth and of notable trees on www.monumentaltrees.com/en/users/BeeEnvironment/
Then the Pennsylvania Government arranged for Natural Gas companies to lease land in the State Forests. New roads, gas pipes buried, and seven acres cleared pads checker the State Forests. Google maps shows the huge amounts of pads and roads that have been developed in the forests.
Yes it's true, the gas development companies are going out in the state lands putting in well pads as well as access roads to these sites. That's a good old country boy and true lover of the beauty of nature I find it disheartening. I will openly admit that I do work in the gas field industry. I am a truck driver and transports materials into these sites. I do think that the companies that are developing the gas industry are working to minimize their impact on the environment. Since I'm most familiar with the fracking side of this industry. I see you were 90% of the water used in fracking is recovered from the ground what's the fracking process has been done. I do not wish to find argument with everybody else's opinion.
@@paulglover1914 sir it is disgusting to me how much forest that has be destroyed to make the right of ways where they bury the gas pipe. Adding up all of those trees they rip out adds up. Why are they not held responsible to replant trees that they cut down? Were loosing so much just from the gas drilling. County and state park should not let them cut so many trees down in the name of gas and money
If the population was to be put into check there wouldn't be such a high demand for anything mentioned. Everything living thing is being regulated....except the over population of humans. One thing that wasn't mentioned that really eats up the forests is windmills.Windmills aren't all that beneficial and definitely not to Pennsylvanians as most of the power they do generate is "piped" to other states. Demark (which has almost the same square acreage as Maryland) has the highest number of Windmills yet they still depend on power plants to supply their power.It costs to much to shut them down when the windmills can supply the power and then restart them when they can't which is more often than not. Many people has never been up close to a windmill here in PA to see just how much land they take to put one up.Compared to oil or gas pipelines windmills kill more forest but everyone wants to believe the "clean" lie. Everything wrong today comes back to needing population control.
@@rider660r You're full of crap! The problem is not that there are too many humans, it's that we sprawl instead of building traditional towns! Take Erie County, NY (Buffalo), for example. Since the 1960s or 70s, the whole county lost population while its housing stock GREW! How does that make any sense? It doesn't. Eliminating property taxes and putting in a land value tax would do more than anything else to save the planet.
Great! The ecosystem of the Allegheny National Forest is also spreading north into the Allegany State Park of neighboring New York. Deer “volunteered” to move north from the national forest into the new state park in the mid 1930’s. The forests here are all second growth but benefit from the national forest ecosystem to its south. Now if PA could just spare a few elk…
The"Mingo Oak" slab in WVU is about 2 feet thick and about 4 feet in diameter. It was cut 64 feet above the ground. She lies. You can bore for a ring count without damaging a tree...
Heh, here in the west coast (Pacific NW especially), we're just used to trees that wide and tall. It would be about average, but what we would consider 2nd or 3rd growth. Our old growth trees can get up to 7 feet wide, and 250+ feet tall. But it is also interesting to know that the east coast actually has a few trees as large as these ones here. To be honest, I never realized the east coast forests were even possible to sustain trees of that size. Too bad they were mostly all lost, but at least a few were saved. Old growth forests are treasures that deserve the highest level of protection. Here in Oregon, we're in a continuous battle to fight to protect our old growth forests, some of which have been protected as wilderness-others of which have limited protection under the Northwest Forest Plan (that runs the risk of being repealed), and others still that lack even that level of protection. The nerve of the logging industry that got 9/10ths of the pie, and now wants the last slice of the pie. Like wtf, at least let us have that last slice of the pie.
Yes Olympic National Park is my favorite national park the giant trees of the Doug-firs, western red cedar, Sitka spruce, western hemlock, etc. of the Hoh Rainforest are incredible. Historically in the East, before the "Great Clearcutting Era," we has trees such as eastern white pine, tulip poplar, and American chestnut, and others that commonly exceeded 200 feet in height. But nothing that approached the tallest redwoods and Doug-firs et al out west.
So my question is now that we know the ecological value of forest, why do we keep extensively logging all these Forest when we have more sustainable ways of doing things?
The problem isn't harvesting timber. The problem is irresponsible people of that era didn't understand. We needed farmland and timber but instead of select cutting, they stripped everything. Select cutting is taking a certain diameter at chest high, and only cutting those. When they started, they could have chosen to cut 20" at chest high and then come back in 20yr and do it again. This allows for new growth cycles and not having a bunch of dead trees all at the same time.
@@sonsofliberty3081 my question is how much of this is going on now though? How many companies are doing these sustainable logging practices? I really hope most of them are.
Let's not forget the most important necessity of forests, old growth or new and that is THEY SUPPLY THE OXYGEN WE NEED TO STAY ALIVE! They also CLEAN the air we breathe of human and natural impurities.
Here in New York State there are still places with bigger white pines than those shown- (I am aware bigger ones also exist in Pennsylvania as well.) White pines 3 feet diameter or bigger are still found in many places across the state. There is a swamp white oak south of Rochester across from my mother's place that is about 7 feet diameter and 40 feet up to to the first branch yet the spread causes branches to droop near to the ground. The height is about 30 feet above surrounding woods. New York State does not have very large old growth forests but there are so many smaller ones that they estimate 350,000 acres exist. Authority Bruce S. Kershner wrote the "Sierra Club Guide to Old Growth Forests of the Northeast." for those interested in this subject.
My first stop in Allegheny was Tracy Ridge that was 1986. I have hiked all over Allegheny. I love it. A little slice of heaven. I have brought many friend's and exposed them to the beauty. I am no longer able to travel due to poor health. I thought I would never get to see some of these great scenes again. Thanks for re kindling some great memories.
You're welcome! We hope to have the entire Tracy Ridge area permanently protected from all forms of development as a wilderness area under the Wilderness Act of 1964! 😊👍🏻
This publication greatly enjoyed! ...my mind equates overharvest there to slow growh Cypress, Cedar and White Pine in Florida (Taxus, Pinus and Juniperus). Let us hope compressed mycelliae can appease a lot of the demand for ALL SPECIES of wood in ALL ITS APPLICATIONS PROPERTIES - including its STORY OF ACQUISITION (propagation and further processing for grain and color. No shortage of humans or their efficiently THUMBED TOOLS ya know. We need more of Earth's people to understand sustainability and have respect for the provisions.
The wonder of nature, is every aspect of nature itself. Lookin at forests, i just cant,t ignore the ( in my opinion) fact , that it,s all inteligent design , so is the human awareness. A universe so complex, and 1 planet so divine, so special.......the universe itself is aware , as we are part of it . One can say, look at that beautifull flower, and it smells " delicious" . That is far beyond coincedence.
I agree, and several of the oldest world religions envisioned a tree as a symbol of the Universe. We can understand the divine nowhere better than in nature.
The virgin timber we have in PA certainly needs to continue to be protected. Parts of the forest should be old growth. However, the ANF needs to manage the forests better. There needs to be more clear cutting as a percentage. There is no longer enough early successional forest. ESF is very important in the respect of wildlife habitat.
@@itsobvious5835 i am suggesting clear cutting and replanting trees is not a good strategy for maintaining our forests because forests are a lot more than just a bunch of trees. some of the new discoveries about these fungal networks in our forests are truly amazing and still in its infancy as far as our understanding of them goes. check this video ua-cam.com/video/hCAvBmY7ZgA/v-deo.html at 34:20 to hear it from a professional (i am not one)
@@FAWweb I live near applachia pine tree probly 4 ft thick base at least..a limb snapped off high winds 2 ft thick probly ...huge took a day to clean the limb up,it fell cornfield ...it should get a video and post next time I'm there yeah soon
I once went on a walk to a stand of old growth pines while at bear camp in the sprawl the guys I went with said its about five miles back in the woods I was up for the adventure they said something about the log book everyone had to sign well I had a great time found a bunch of chantrelles and saw a bunch of stuff beat sitting around at camp drinking beer and telling lies
I want to save and invest as much money as I can and purchase tens or hundreds of thousands of continuous acres of land and return it to nature forever.
If you have even $100,000 there is an island in the Allegheny River for sale that could be purchased and perhaps added to the Allegheny Islands Wilderness someday.
Maybe just too creative on the truth, Pennsylvania seems to be a gem, yet, unfortunately so unaware of its Forests, focused on the West, but hope PA is able to bridge the gap, as some of this seems not Scientifically based. Tree Species do have life expectancies, so just hope she realizes Ancient and Old Growth Forests are sometimes just a dream in growth.
With being a huff! Indian blood courses through our veins. I have always been proud of my Indian heritage it explains a lot of how I feel about nature because Indians never took anything more out of nature than they needed they loved the land they respected the animals and I still live like that to this day! It is who I am and what I am to this day!
When visiting the east i was confounded by the forests consisting of mostly what we call sucker trees, thick forests of short skinny undergrowth trees.Living out west the old trees here are massive 200-400 feet tall and thousands of years old, not hundreds, Thankfully the lumber people didnt take them all out like on the east coast, But they did put a huge dent into our forests, Ignorance knew no bounds for those so called pioneers who thought they would never run out of trees for they uses.
u look at all the wood dropped and its like there is no way they are using all that wood. I wonder what percentage of the woods they didn't use when they first cut down all these forests!!!
They can be replaced. Since they’re protected now even trees that are relatively young now will become old growth. Unless the government starts to sell them on us and I wouldn’t put it passed then for the right numbers.
Of course they can be replaced without constant human disturbance for the next 200 years. However, whatever old-growth we have left, they remind us of what today's forests will hopefully become. Old-Growth also helps sequester carbon more than younger and second growth.
True, but you need a diverse seed source, which Old-Growth forests provide. If you cut down or burn large swaths of forests, the young trees will likely be composed of mainly 4-5 species, opposed to a old growth forest, which can have 100s of different tree species.
@@russj.5296 The regrown forest never quite regains the diversity of the original forest. Also, the duff covering the ground in an old ground forest takes a long time to develop.
I live in maine.the northern part of the state has been logged so many times that you can drive for hours and never see a tree over 10" in diameter.pathetic.they call it the north maine woods but its really the "north maine brush lands"
Many old growth forests were managed by the native Americans. Basically they cut young trees for firewood and long houses. Then they left oak and hickory and pretty much any other edible nut tree to make flour for winter.
1st thing that needs done to protect the forests well into the future is to control population growth of humans,every living thing besides humans are regulated.
The "Old Growth Forests" in this vid are actually "Second Growth Forests" there are no "Old Growth Forests" in PA that I know of... in the years leading up to the 1600s to 1800s most all the trees in PA were strip harvested... leaving no existing trees...
I have property in Jefferson county that boarders clear creek state forest. They just timbered a fenced in area that appears to be clear cut. They left a buffer zone along the road to “fool” people in believing there is a forest along the road. I’m not fooled!!! You shouldn’t be either. The old growth trees you see in this video are sentenced to death by your state forest DCNR. You’ll soon see them coming down the highway on a timber truck. Money....money....money...
Misrepresentation of pre-Columbian history. Native populations would burn forests to aid hunting practices. Human impact only expanded with the industrial revolution. Where there is man, there is impact.
Which is MORE VALUABLE?The old vs. 2nd forest question - "FUNGIMENTAL"in a rudimentary way. Ask mycologist Paul Stiemetz. The speaker mentioning lichens WAS ON THAT SAME NOTE. But I am willing to bet the best distribition of microbes is not immediately ESTABLISHED and also lost with unnatural disturbances. And yeah, never EVERtake the life of any carnivore just so you can ranch domestically or hunt when you do. I do not tolrrste asians eating my Florida freshwater turtles, or our marine conchs.... AND DONT EAT BATS EITHER YELLER BELLY! They pollinate and control particular insects. ...humans need wildlife but the CONVERSE IS NOT TRUE
I'm so glad I found this video. It's so well presented and full of factual material. The forestry and plants pictured in the film are alluring and breathtaking in their majesty and beauty. It inspires some optimism and offers a ray of hope that in spite of the unrelenting encroachment of humankind, there are still people who care and are endeavoring to their utmost to preserve what little of nature still remains on this planet for us all and for future generations to see. It is terribly saddening to realize how much is gone and how integral it is to our very nature and survival.
Why would anyone dislike this wonderful video? People who want to kill every tree and then slowly die of asphyxiation? I truly love old growth forests, any human creation pales in comparison to majesty of nature.
dont think there are any old growth forests in pennsylvania.the were all logged at one time or another.
@@paulmacfarlane207 Please take the time to watch the video to see specific examples of where remnant old-growth forest areas persist around The Commonweath.
hint: these are the militants who want to level everything now
In the early 1900s, not one single person died of asphyxiation, I guarantee it.
Probably the Once-Ler
There aren't many areas in the world like old growth, I've visited one, amazing wildlife and micro insect world, the floor of the old growth is spongy and alive. 🙏
Walking off-trail through Tionesta Forest is like taking a time machine back 2000 years.
You are correct, i spend a lot of time in both these forests since 1972
that is the best intro possible
I wondered what sort of bird it was at first!
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I spent the best five summers of my life in northeast Pennsylvania, in Wayne county, at a summer camp just outside the town of Honesdale. It was a beautiful spot. Once the power went out, and you could see the whole of the Milky Way Galaxy. If that wasn't enough, a meteor shower started. I just lay on the ground in awe, watching the sky. That was nearly forty years ago, and remains the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I still dream about it sometimes.
I love to hike alone in the vast forests, far from the maddening crowd, dirt, and noise of modern life. Hiking in the rain is also a delightful experience, relaxing and refreshing.
I live in an area in N. Georgia. On my property I have an area that is on a very steep area. I have several what I consider to be old growth. I have several tulip poplar trees that are 7ft. around and bigger. I have one hickory that is about 300 years old. All in all I have 6 giant trees. That is continued on the propertys that border mine with more of these giants that were probably spared due to the steep terrain they are on.
In front of my old house across the street there is an elm tree that stands well over 100ft tall but the trunk is amazingly huge ! It takes 4 to 5 grown men holding hands stretched out around the trunk to complete. it has to be at least 300 yrs old.
Once and a while I am out in the woods and find a really big one. I came across an oak in WV when hunting I called the "Keebler tree". I bet three of us could not reach around it. It was up on a flat jutting out from a rocky slope. Fire and loggers could not get to it. The upper story was tremendous. Sometimes you will see huge oaks in the woods that are way bigger than the other trees and are in a line. Probably an old fence line.
It is not logging wiping out the Pennsylvania forests, it is bugs, disease, and blight. Our whole forest is dying because of it. I live right across from a State Park and I sat on the porch last summer and watched the spotted lantern flies coming out of the park. I hunted a place last year that used to have a sidehill of hemlocks. Half the hill is now brown from a parasite. I remember the big gypsie moth oak kill in the 70's. The ash trees have the emerald borer killing them. The beech trees have some kind of blight. Our laurel has had a blight for years. It will take a lot more than just not cutting a tree to have "Old growth" forests.
How do we stop that what do we do about it
@@xbear7473 there isn't much we can do. Donate to charities that fund the research on the blights and maybe plant an American Chestnut or two.
Don't forget about the Chestnuts!
Beside the "scenic grandeur" we as stewards and outdoor conservationists enjoy we should automatically come to realize that the woods and fields are constantly providing we humans with a freshness that can only be had by being surrounded by Nature and it`s abundance of rejuvenatory blessings.These woodlands and fields bordering them must be looked upon as not only "treasures" but more to the fact that they are essential to humans being able to live with clean air and mountain irrigation from streams and springs which must also be tended to in order to extend their virtues for the wildlife and man as well.Nature all around us must be taken care of if we as humans wish to have an existence that will be healthy and vital to everything around us.We are the stewards of the land and the responsibilities must be shouldered in order to maintain not only our lives but wildlife as well if it is to remain for years to come.
Glad this popped up in my suggested list. Great vid. Thx for uploading.
Great video! Also, great job on purchasing the mineral rights for Tionesta! Now just make sure they don't get into the wrong hands at some time or another!!
Being a "beginner forester", I know not much, but I have compiled many documents and articles relating to Old-Growth through PA, as well for most of the East-Coast.
You wouldn't know how much I want to become a environmental educationist as well as conservation forester in the future!
Also worth mentioning is Ricketts Glen State Park, which has around 2000 acres of Old-Growth which surround the glen's 22 waterfalls, and it was here that the world record age for a Hemlock was found at 988 years of age decades ago!
I have found a few new Old-Growth tracts mainly in Southeast PA, most of them on public parks and preserves that were previously unknown, and I don't know where I could go to put them into a list or something.
I have put a few locations and reports of old-growth and of notable trees on www.monumentaltrees.com/en/users/BeeEnvironment/
Here in California i hike throughout the Sierra Nevada mountains and find many old growth trees hidden in the deep, deep woods.
Thank you, entices me to visit these areas. 🌳🚶♀️🌲
Then the Pennsylvania Government arranged for Natural Gas companies to lease land in the State Forests. New roads, gas pipes buried, and seven acres cleared pads checker the State Forests. Google maps shows the huge amounts of pads and roads that have been developed in the forests.
Yes it's true, the gas development companies are going out in the state lands putting in well pads as well as access roads to these sites. That's a good old country boy and true lover of the beauty of nature I find it disheartening.
I will openly admit that I do work in the gas field industry. I am a truck driver and transports materials into these sites. I do think that the companies that are developing the gas industry are working to minimize their impact on the environment.
Since I'm most familiar with the fracking side of this industry. I see you were 90% of the water used in fracking is recovered from the ground what's the fracking process has been done. I do not wish to find argument with everybody else's opinion.
As the Green Party candidate for PA governor I would ban fracking while creating thousands of green jobs: paulglover.org/governor
@@paulglover1914 sir it is disgusting to me how much forest that has be destroyed to make the right of ways where they bury the gas pipe. Adding up all of those trees they rip out adds up. Why are they not held responsible to replant trees that they cut down? Were loosing so much just from the gas drilling. County and state park should not let them cut so many trees down in the name of gas and money
If the population was to be put into check there wouldn't be such a high demand for anything mentioned.
Everything living thing is being regulated....except the over population of humans.
One thing that wasn't mentioned that really eats up the forests is windmills.Windmills aren't all that beneficial and definitely not to Pennsylvanians as most of the power they do generate is "piped" to other states.
Demark (which has almost the same square acreage as Maryland) has the highest number of Windmills yet they still depend on power plants to supply their power.It costs to much to shut them down when the windmills can supply the power and then restart them when they can't which is more often than not.
Many people has never been up close to a windmill here in PA to see just how much land they take to put one up.Compared to oil or gas pipelines windmills kill more forest but everyone wants to believe the "clean" lie.
Everything wrong today comes back to needing population control.
@@rider660r You're full of crap! The problem is not that there are too many humans, it's that we sprawl instead of building traditional towns!
Take Erie County, NY (Buffalo), for example. Since the 1960s or 70s, the whole county lost population while its housing stock GREW! How does that make any sense? It doesn't.
Eliminating property taxes and putting in a land value tax would do more than anything else to save the planet.
I was lucky enough to get a private tour from Dale luthinger and he showed me the 3 biggest trees in cooks forest
In Pennsylvania the remaining forest follow the mountain range going north east except for the upper third of the state. Just look at Google Earth.
Great! The ecosystem of the Allegheny National Forest is also spreading north into the Allegany State Park of neighboring New York. Deer “volunteered” to move north from the national forest into the new state park in the mid 1930’s. The forests here are all second growth but benefit from the national forest ecosystem to its south. Now if PA could just spare a few elk…
The"Mingo Oak" slab in WVU is about 2 feet thick and about 4 feet in diameter. It was cut 64 feet above the ground.
She lies. You can bore for a ring count without damaging a tree...
I love this stuff more than anything els
Heh, here in the west coast (Pacific NW especially), we're just used to trees that wide and tall. It would be about average, but what we would consider 2nd or 3rd growth. Our old growth trees can get up to 7 feet wide, and 250+ feet tall.
But it is also interesting to know that the east coast actually has a few trees as large as these ones here. To be honest, I never realized the east coast forests were even possible to sustain trees of that size. Too bad they were mostly all lost, but at least a few were saved. Old growth forests are treasures that deserve the highest level of protection. Here in Oregon, we're in a continuous battle to fight to protect our old growth forests, some of which have been protected as wilderness-others of which have limited protection under the Northwest Forest Plan (that runs the risk of being repealed), and others still that lack even that level of protection. The nerve of the logging industry that got 9/10ths of the pie, and now wants the last slice of the pie. Like wtf, at least let us have that last slice of the pie.
Yes Olympic National Park is my favorite national park the giant trees of the Doug-firs, western red cedar, Sitka spruce, western hemlock, etc. of the Hoh Rainforest are incredible.
Historically in the East, before the "Great Clearcutting Era," we has trees such as eastern white pine, tulip poplar, and American chestnut, and others that commonly exceeded 200 feet in height. But nothing that approached the tallest redwoods and Doug-firs et al out west.
So my question is now that we know the ecological value of forest, why do we keep extensively logging all these Forest when we have more sustainable ways of doing things?
The problem isn't harvesting timber. The problem is irresponsible people of that era didn't understand. We needed farmland and timber but instead of select cutting, they stripped everything. Select cutting is taking a certain diameter at chest high, and only cutting those. When they started, they could have chosen to cut 20" at chest high and then come back in 20yr and do it again. This allows for new growth cycles and not having a bunch of dead trees all at the same time.
@@sonsofliberty3081 I like that. Sustainable and smart.
@@sonsofliberty3081 my question is how much of this is going on now though? How many companies are doing these sustainable logging practices? I really hope most of them are.
You got a log you got to let Sun it helps growth for the other trees underneath the canopy into the forest floor
Let's not forget the most important necessity of forests, old growth or new and that is THEY SUPPLY THE OXYGEN WE NEED TO STAY ALIVE! They also CLEAN the air we breathe of human and natural impurities.
True, but so does poison ivy, briars and Kudsu.
How climatechange is artificial....you just explained it❤
Here in New York State there are still places with bigger white pines than those shown- (I am aware bigger ones also exist in Pennsylvania as well.) White pines 3 feet diameter or bigger are still found in many places across the state. There is a swamp white oak south of Rochester across from my mother's place that is about 7 feet diameter and 40 feet up to to the first branch yet the spread causes branches to droop near to the ground. The height is about 30 feet above surrounding woods. New York State does not have very large old growth forests but there are so many smaller ones that they estimate 350,000 acres exist. Authority Bruce S. Kershner wrote the "Sierra Club Guide to Old Growth Forests of the Northeast." for those interested in this subject.
Sierra Club is fighting four logging bills in New Jersey !
What a Great video.. Thank you Save the Forest
My first stop in Allegheny was Tracy Ridge that was 1986. I have hiked all over Allegheny. I love it. A little slice of heaven. I have brought many friend's and exposed them to the beauty. I am no longer able to travel due to poor health. I thought I would never get to see some of these great scenes again. Thanks for re kindling some great memories.
You're welcome! We hope to have the entire Tracy Ridge area permanently protected from all forms of development as a wilderness area under the Wilderness Act of 1964! 😊👍🏻
Maddening sounds of today's world? Like the music?
Thanks for the video. I wish the audio could have been captured w less noise.
Yeah, the video was captured from an old VHS tape so the sound is not perfect.
This publication greatly enjoyed! ...my mind equates overharvest there to slow growh Cypress, Cedar and White Pine in Florida (Taxus, Pinus and Juniperus).
Let us hope compressed mycelliae can appease a lot of the demand for ALL SPECIES of wood in ALL ITS APPLICATIONS PROPERTIES - including its STORY OF ACQUISITION (propagation and further processing for grain and color. No shortage of humans or their efficiently THUMBED TOOLS ya know.
We need more of Earth's people to understand sustainability and have respect for the provisions.
The wonder of nature, is every aspect of nature itself. Lookin at forests, i just cant,t ignore the ( in my opinion) fact , that it,s all inteligent design , so is the human awareness. A universe so complex, and 1 planet so divine, so special.......the universe itself is aware , as we are part of it . One can say, look at that beautifull flower, and it smells " delicious" . That is far beyond coincedence.
I agree, and several of the oldest world religions envisioned a tree as a symbol of the Universe. We can understand the divine nowhere better than in nature.
The virgin timber we have in PA certainly needs to continue to be protected. Parts of the forest should be old growth. However, the ANF needs to manage the forests better. There needs to be more clear cutting as a percentage. There is no longer enough early successional forest. ESF is very important in the respect of wildlife habitat.
clear cutting is a bad idea because it also wipes out the fungal networks that we are just beginning to understand how important they are to forests.
Hey Frank, So are you suggesting different ways to harvest timber, or no timber harvest?
@@itsobvious5835 i am suggesting clear cutting and replanting trees is not a good strategy for maintaining our forests because forests are a lot more than just a bunch of trees. some of the new discoveries about these fungal networks in our forests are truly amazing and still in its infancy as far as our understanding of them goes.
check this video ua-cam.com/video/hCAvBmY7ZgA/v-deo.html at 34:20 to hear it from a professional (i am not one)
Fascinating
I never knew Alex Borstein was a host for nature conservation/forest awareness.
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@@FAWweb I live near applachia pine tree probly 4 ft thick base at least..a limb snapped off high winds 2 ft thick probly ...huge took a day to clean the limb up,it fell cornfield ...it should get a video and post next time I'm there yeah soon
@@mindfk394k Cool!
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Incredible video
I once went on a walk to a stand of old growth pines while at bear camp in the sprawl the guys I went with said its about five miles back in the woods I was up for the adventure they said something about the log book everyone had to sign well I had a great time found a bunch of chantrelles and saw a bunch of stuff beat sitting around at camp drinking beer and telling lies
That's my old stomping grounds!
Boy I'm glad for the guy with a high and tight haircut, 9mm,badge and walkie talkie in my forest. What would we do without em?
I want to save and invest as much money as I can and purchase tens or hundreds of thousands of continuous acres of land and return it to nature forever.
Me to if I could buy everthing i could and leave it natural
If you have even $100,000 there is an island in the Allegheny River for sale that could be purchased and perhaps added to the Allegheny Islands Wilderness someday.
Friends of Allegheny Wilderness, I wish. Hopefully someday.
Over 65% of Virginia is forested with 45% of that being old growth trees
We have white pines big around as cars on a hill behind my house. Not as rare as you might think.
Maybe just too creative on the truth, Pennsylvania seems to be a gem, yet, unfortunately so unaware of its Forests, focused on the West, but hope PA is able to bridge the gap, as some of this seems not Scientifically based. Tree Species do have life expectancies, so just hope she realizes Ancient and Old Growth Forests are sometimes just a dream in growth.
With being a huff! Indian blood courses through our veins. I have always been proud of my Indian heritage it explains a lot of how I feel about nature because Indians never took anything more out of nature than they needed they loved the land they respected the animals and I still live like that to this day! It is who I am and what I am to this day!
What tribe flows in your veins?
Lots of hickory In Penn..now hickory is the best firewood..yes hickory
When visiting the east i was confounded by the forests consisting of mostly what we call sucker trees, thick forests of short skinny undergrowth trees.Living out west the old trees here are massive 200-400 feet tall and thousands of years old, not hundreds, Thankfully the lumber people didnt take them all out like on the east coast, But they did put a huge dent into our forests, Ignorance knew no bounds for those so called pioneers who thought they would never run out of trees for they uses.
u look at all the wood dropped and its like there is no way they are using all that wood. I wonder what percentage of the woods they didn't use when they first cut down all these forests!!!
Scheafs ... You there buddy?
And yes folks, That is why I'm a Treehugger.
I am so fucking glad that most have us have decided to stop killing this beauty.
Why the foul language? People don't need to see or read it.
@@timgiles9413 Emphasis
She’s noDavid Attenborough
Kelly@suny morrisvvile is da man !!!!
As of this date most of those hemlocks are dead.
They can be replaced. Since they’re protected now even trees that are relatively young now will become old growth. Unless the government starts to sell them on us and I wouldn’t put it passed then for the right numbers.
Of course they can be replaced without constant human disturbance for the next 200 years. However, whatever old-growth we have left, they remind us of what today's forests will hopefully become. Old-Growth also helps sequester carbon more than younger and second growth.
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Someone needs to tell this lady that when a forest gets cut down, trees grow back without anyone having to plant them.
True, but you need a diverse seed source, which Old-Growth forests provide. If you cut down or burn large swaths of forests, the young trees will likely be composed of mainly 4-5 species, opposed to a old growth forest, which can have 100s of different tree species.
@@russj.5296 The regrown forest never quite regains the diversity of the original forest. Also, the duff covering the ground in an old ground forest takes a long time to develop.
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All Indians are saints got it.
Who is she? ❤
I live in maine.the northern part of the state has been logged so many times that you can drive for hours and never see a tree over 10" in diameter.pathetic.they call it the north maine woods but its really the "north maine brush lands"
so this is a renewable resource //// wow who new
Many old growth forests were managed by the native Americans. Basically they cut young trees for firewood and long houses. Then they left oak and hickory and pretty much any other edible nut tree to make flour for winter.
You ARE correct !!
this is why iceland and scotland has no forests
joe shit the rag man at 24:08
Less than 1% left what a fucking shame I hate loggers
10,000 acres! Sad
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1st thing that needs done to protect the forests well into the future is to control population growth of humans,every living thing besides humans are regulated.
To many people and nothing will be left
We have far too many big trees and big forests remaining in this state. Best to cut them and sell them.
The "Old Growth Forests" in this vid are actually "Second Growth Forests" there are no "Old Growth Forests" in PA that I know of... in the years leading up to the 1600s to 1800s most all the trees in PA were strip harvested... leaving no existing trees...
There are indeed small tracts of old-growth virgin (never harvested) forest scattered around Pennsylvania. They are the subject matter of this video.
My Neanderthal dna is attracted to old growth forests? There has to be some sort of deeper connection?
Are you guys still making videos? You have been inactive for the past 2 years. Are you alive or dead? Is this a dead channel?
I have property in Jefferson county that boarders clear creek state forest. They just timbered a fenced in area that appears to be clear cut. They left a buffer zone along the road to “fool” people in believing there is a forest along the road. I’m not fooled!!! You shouldn’t be either. The old growth trees you see in this video are sentenced to death by your state forest DCNR. You’ll soon see them coming down the highway on a timber truck.
Money....money....money...
Far from the mudding crowd.
Misrepresentation of pre-Columbian history. Native populations would burn forests to aid hunting practices. Human impact only expanded with the industrial revolution. Where there is man, there is impact.
Which is MORE VALUABLE?The old vs. 2nd forest question - "FUNGIMENTAL"in a rudimentary way. Ask mycologist Paul Stiemetz. The speaker mentioning lichens WAS ON THAT SAME NOTE. But I am willing to bet the best distribition of microbes is not immediately ESTABLISHED and also lost with unnatural disturbances.
And yeah, never EVERtake the life of any carnivore just so you can ranch domestically or hunt when you do. I do not tolrrste asians eating my Florida freshwater turtles, or our marine conchs.... AND DONT EAT BATS EITHER YELLER BELLY! They pollinate and control particular insects.
...humans need wildlife but the CONVERSE IS NOT TRUE
Who is this chick? Artur Kent's daughter?
sorry to burst your bubble but the old growth are gone
this is a joke right
Look like our ozone is just fine lol now we have 10 inches of snow what caused that Diesel fuel suckers !!!! Trump 2024
It's caused by global Sinning , don't be fooled!!! Read a bible 1611 kjb!!! Pile-of - tricks can't save you !!!