My wife is from Nigeria. She is a Research student and writer, and knows her own Country's History as well as anyone else. She KNOWS that all the Tribes had always taken and sold slaves, centuries before they has even seen a white face...White man offered a better price for slaves, simple as that.
Jeremy Clarkson quoted an old nursery rhyme and didn't edit it enough, and apologised, and now nobody has forgiven him for clouting and shouting at his producer, just because of that.
She got a safe seat. I'd love to see her go mouthy in the more rural, Tory constituency. Where there are no diversity moaners around to hide behind. She'd be laughed at. And ignored.
Her comments like "whites divide and rule", "police will cost £30 or 30pence etc" she just keeps on making crap statements for no good reason. She does everyone, including many blacks a disservice.
Darcus Howe accused my friends Mum of racism as far back as early 80s. A brilliant white woman who blazed a trail within Labour for cross communities representation. She was supposedly racist as she campaigned for a white MP in a constituency made up of 30% non white. You couldn't make it up. She campaigned for a Labour MP to win. It was her job.
We can take this out of context and make a massive issue of it as much as we like. The hammer comes down for any little comment made by whites in the public eye. Equal rights is truly a wonderful thing. Darcus Howe feels lost without the systematic subjugation of blacks in society, he no longer has a role to play, but tries his hardest still.
I remember Lenny henry going to africa for comic relief (years ago) and being overwelmed because he felt like he was home and he had found where he belonged.With his own people
Massive difference between the reaction to Diane Abbott's comment and Ken Livingston's. Ken has been suspended because just to mention the word Nazi in any relation to a debate on Israel is seen as Anti Semitic. How appropriate is it to mention 19th Century imperialism in relation to 21st Century race relations in the UK?
The cultural history of blacks and whites (and Jews) means that it is much more serious when the dominant group or non-group makes a racist or political remark. So a Jew saying - 'stop behaving like a Nazi' is far less of an issue than when a non-Jew says it. And a black man saying 'white fool' is less serious than the other way around. Thanks to history we are NOT all on a level playing field. This report and the reaction to Abbott (who is very smug and annoying) ignores this very important social historical and political context completely. That's why Ken had to go and Abbott doesn't.
Darcus Howe, the same man who called Joan Rivers racist and got instantly called out by Joan on radio. He then pretended to not understand English. It's on youtube, check it ouy.
"My error was in context", is not admitting a mistake, it is an example of someone who's trying to mitigate the fact they did indeed make one. Very subtle and very foolish.
go darcus ? yea yea , its ok to talk bout white people or harm white people but as soon as anyone white say,s the word black , ther,s all hell let lose , what you gona do if a wee green alien lands and says i hate whites and blacks lol , if diane abbot and darcus where white they,d b sacked and never on tv again , answer 1 question 4 me ? wat do you think of a black leader for usa ????????
I think there are sadly a lot of racists MP'S in the Labour Party, I know that the Muslim Religion dominates in the Labour Party, Men and Women sit separate in Labour Muslim meetings.
***** It also was the policy in Ireland, the Miners Strike, Iraq, India, Uganda etc etc. Get them all to fight like rats in a sack, that way they destroy each other. The Tories recently played Divide and Rule with Labour and the Scottish National Party. I mean why did Cameron call that referendum? It wasn't Salmond who called it, he was basically backed into a corner by Cameron. But sure 'New' Labour will play the same game, given they are Red Tories. An ethnically diverse working-class isn't really anything to do with socialism (East Germany, Czechoslovakia were hardly great examples of Multi-Culturalism) However, the old Left despises racism, so it won't stand by and watch ethnic minorities come under fire from the likes of Farage and Nick Griffin. Rather, Lax or loose immigration controls is a Neo-Liberal standard - that straddles Liberal, Labour and the Tory Party. E.G. The noises Boris Johnson makes on immigration being good for London being little or no different to Tony Blair's position. Of course Labour and Conservative will say they're getting tough on immigration - but they never can turn words in action. Meaning they are totally incompetent or secretly they think immigration is great for growth. That's because they are all Neo Liberals who see immigration controls as just another barrier to free trade. The labour market being no different from any other market. From their Neo Liberal POV If immigrants are willing to work harder than the indigenous working-class then why restrict them taking jobs. You should see past mainstream politics and look at the economic theories informing Thatcher/ Blair/ Cameron etc. Check out Milton Friedman's ideas on immigration. The leading economist behind the free market orthodoxy that's held sway for the last 30 years - i.e. privatization, deregulation, free trade, cutting taxes etc. According to Friedman open-door immigration is great for productivity. With the caveat immigrants shouldn't be granted benefits. Basically Cameron is employing a watered down version of Friedman's laissez faire immigration policy at the moment.
***** If you bone up on Neo-Liberalism and Liberalism more generally you'll find its hardly a secret. Its nothing to do with social engineering, it just comes down to free-market ideology. Liberals have an aversion to statism or Big Government as they call it - so open immigration flows naturally from that position. To conduct a truly strong anti-immigration policy for the 21st century, you'd have to pump billions into state coffers to pay border police, you'd have to crack down heavily on illegal employers; landlords. gang-masters, agencies etc. The state would expand far more than people realize - hence taxes increase to pay for big government. Or alternatively more aid would have to go to the developing world in order to improve their living conditions so they stop emigrating. Just coming out of the EU wouldn't solve the problem. They'd still find a way to get in; Moreover there's non EU immigration from Africa and the Arab World. So Tories (Neo-Liberals) New Labour (Liberals) UKIP ( Anti EU Neo-Liberals) are ideologically opposed to tight immigration controls on three main counts 1) restriction to free trade in Labour markets 2) enlargement of the state to police immigration 3) raising taxes to pay for border guards, civil servants etc. In many ways its like the Liberal attitude to drugs - they make a show of getting tough but in reality they're ideologically okay with the drugs trade. If they just went ahead and legalized drugs of course they'd lose votes - so they make this token gesture of a few big swoops on major drug barons. Quite pathetic really considering you and me both know where all the dealers live. As McMillan said - 'its important that things are seen to be done. Whether they get done is irrelevant'.
Provide evidence that the black community are the lowest end of the social spectrum. I take it you've had a bad experience? Some would say being stopped and searched 10 times in a week is also a bad experience. This is what happens on a regular basis to black people in London. As for Stephen Lawrences family, they have been smeared by an organisation described by a judge as institutionally racist. Things are not as clear cut as you describe. I'm white.
Ai Zhongguo - Had Stephen Lawrence been white, what would the upshot of that been? I'll guarantee, he would have long been forgotten and his murder swept under the carpet. And his mother wouldn't have been made a Baroness, either. I am sick and tired of political correctness and moaning ethnics complaining. If you are so damned sensitive, relocate.
As I never claimed Diane Abbott was racist I am not the one moving goal posts. If you would like to know how Diane CAN be racist then that is simple, she can be racist by expressing prejudice towards, discriminating against or antagonising people on racial grounds. I never said that she did these things, that is open to discussion, I merely countered your argument that she was INCAPABLE of racism, which is your assertion which you have yet to substantiate.
No, Dictionary's is a perfectly acceptable word, just not in the context in which I used it, making it a malapropism. For instance if I were to day "The dictionary's definition of..." meaning the definition belonging to the dictionary then that would be fine. I conceded my error and apolgised, why press the matter?
well maybe you didnt get the point,..his point is that Abot should never have apologised!...i wish the Queen of England apologised for slavery on an attire race when asked to apologised on behalf of the country,..she simply refused!!
He said it isn't logical to ask what if a white person had said it? lol I had no idea that the same double standards exist in the UK as they do here in the USA.
The Asians I know are largely doing very well for themselves in UK. Indians Cantonese Korean etc.. Those not doing so well should speed more time working and less time moaning about not doing so well
PART 1 - Your spelling is NOT fine which is prescisely why I had to correct it and please don't try and obfuscate the issue by using words like malaproprism; you misspelt the word end of story."dictionary's" is NOT a malapropism (i.e. used out of context), it is a misspelt word.
Just gone down hugely in my opinion. Darkus is a persona non grata and should not be allowed to spout his vitriol on air. As for Dianne Abbott, she is taking my money and the tax payers money to have a happy lifestyle and get her kid a privileged education. Get yourself out of Hackney and stand somewhere else, I dare you!
On the contrary, the big clue is the "my error WAS IN CONTEXT", which mitigates the error you very clearly made. We can play with semantics all day my friend, but you'll invariably lose. That said, now please address the issue as to how black people can be racist towards whites.
OK fine, here again is my answer. Black people can be racist towards white people or people of any ethnicity by showing prejudice towards, discriminating against or antagonising these people on racial grounds. If your reply to this post is anything other than astounding enough for me to surrender my egalitarian position then I will be unimpressed.
Can anyone actually show how black immigrants have contributed more than they have taken or troubles they have caused ? The negatives far outweigh the positives of having them here. It has bee a win for them and nothing for us
Have you not heard of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and colonialism? And after WW2 who helped to build up the country again, doing the crap jobs that the white British people did not want to do? It's 2024 and nothing's changed , the NHS and social care would collapse without immigrants. Educate yourself.
I am prepared to pretend you are correct if you will stop replying to posts relating to spelling, semantics, grammar and other things which I've stopped caring about. I did post a reply to this, it is the post which begins: "As I never claimed Diane Abbott was racist I am not the one moving goal posts."
Darcus Howe at the end: I'm not racist, but black ministers should speak to black people and white ministers should speak to white people No that's not a racist opinion at all. Its not like you're saying some ministers should do certain things because of the colour of their skin...oh wait...
Germany didn't exist until the late 19th century! 1871 if you really wanna know ;) Denmark, around since the 700's was much larger back then and Saxony (now north-west Germany) was part of Denmark, Angles and Jutes were from modern day Denmark - so the English are Germanic Vikings, not Germans, in the same sense that all southern Scandinavians are 'Germanic'! Most non-white people would identify themselves as English, hardly any non-whites in Scot/Wales, English doesn't mean white! It's cultural
wow i cant beleive she hasn't been removed for racism, if this was someone who was white they would be. I suppose some people ar more equal than others.
My spelling is fine, my error was in context. A Malapropism perhaps, I apologise. They can be reactionaries to White Racism and still be Racist. For instance the French resistance were reactionaries to German violence, that does not make them non-violent. Anyway you assertion is that Black people "Cannot" be racist, so it is not for me to provide examples of black people being racist (which I have done) but for you to prove that no black person can every be racist, which you have failed to do.
@DebbyInStKitts i think the problem is that terms like 'the black community' are usually followed by some sort of opinion, implying that all black people essentially share the same consciousnes, and are not individuals, its an odd kind of racism that isnt immediately racist. if some1 said 'the white community' id be like which one? if some1 said 'white community leader' id say who appointed them. im guessing this is why the woman in question didnt like the term.
Well yes that is exactly what it is. The words "My error" are the clue. I'm not mitigating anything, I made a mistake, I admit that it was a mistake. I am sorry, It was a mistake. It was also trivial and hardly worth the attention we have given it. If you want to discuss spelling, grammatical and contextual errors in posts then please find someone with a greater boredom threshold to argue with.
Saxons were from Germany! So many people get English & British mixed up. 99% don't have a clue what the difference is! When we say English, the general conscientious is white Fact. Most black or asian will say they are British. How many will say English? Hardly any, I assure you. You seem like a smart guy. Our common laws has been stolen. If you want to make noise about something then that is it. If anyone loves this country, they should fight for our common laws. We are divide so we all lose
@SuperXenomorph "Darcus Home appears a bit confused and does not appear to realise that a black person can be called racist" - WRONG. Black people cannot be racist and the fact that you haven't studied racism extensively as a concept speaks volumes. Go and get educated before coming on youtube making statements that you cannot qualify.
Yes, prejudice and racism are different, prejudice is to pre-judge. It is a blanket term. Racism can involve a kind of prejudice, that is to say a prejudice based upon race. If I pre-judge a gay person that is prejudice but not racism. If I pre-judge an Asian person then that prejudice and racism. You will also notice my statement does include antagonism and discrimination. For instance to assault someone based on race (Antagonism) or Idi Amin's treatment of Asians (discrimination).
Marcus was trying to defend the indefensible....he is saying is because she's one of a handfull of black women in politics she can think and say what she likes and be excused for it.he is very much mistaken...
I didn't have difficulty with anything, but you clearly have difficulty when it comes to spelling. The phrase is "DICTIONARIES are your best best". That said, if you can give me a more elaborate definition, then I suggest you give me one. As for the NBPP being racially superior, that's complete nonsense. The NBPP are not racists, they are REACTIONARIES to white racism. You need to do a lot better than that my friend. I'm waiting...
Then please, exercise some common sense. This is the first time that you made any reference to Socio-economic power so I don't think you can call it your original assertion. All you said before is that black people could not be racist, you never gave any reasoning. Now that you have I am disappointed, I've heard this same argument before and never considered it to have much merit. For me racism is a motive and power (whether economic, physical or whatever) is a means.
Amaribling you obviously don't know your history! How could anglo saxons kill off English people when english are anglo saxon decendants. The word England derives from the word angleland and angleland was a part of England the angles occupied.
She is a complete joke, but in the worst possible taste.....she brings nothing to politics but racism, but nobody dare say it. She is like a protected species.......come to think of it, the does have the look of a square-lipped rhino!!!! The problem with her views is that black "communities" invariably show their anger more visibly, but they generally harm their own "communities", by smashing the place up, then complaining there is nothing there for them!! As for the old black guy, I never really took notice of him when he was around....he was largely irrelevant, other than to stir up race hatred with his continual pessimism on relationships between whites and blacks. Today, (29/1/19), I heard a debate about the disproportionate amount of black youths in detention........there is, after all the talk and discourse....one answer - they commit more crime. Do not tell me about disadvantaged upbringing.....white kids go to the same schools and suffer poverty. No - it is a cultural thing. Nothing more, nothing less. Somebody please be brave enough to say it.
That was not 48 hours ago as you claim. My memory is pretty good, but it only works with things which actually happen I'm afraid. Of course I was born stupid, I was a baby. I have however got more intelligent as time has progressed, this is perhaps not the same as your own personal experience. You claim that is what racism is. I disagree. Partly because your definition is far too narrow to matter even if it were true, party because consensus agrees with me but mostly because you are just wrong.
I genuinely sorry you did not mention socio-economic power at the beginning of this debate, I was hoping for some more original bullshit rather than generic bullshit which was dismissed as a meaningful theory around the time that I was born. I have researched your position, at best it is a exercise in self-deception for racists who are not prepared to admit to being racists and so redefine racism as a specific action which they do not engage in. Goodbye.
@DaveyWalshey Here's some homework for you DAAAAAAAAAAAVE. I want you to READ (yeah that word again) and research exactly why it is that black people, given their historical trajectory CANNOT be racist. Let me know your findings :-)
@BritishAltruist "To re-iterate, black people cannot be racist" I know why black people cannot be racist because I've studied the concept of racism extensively. As anyone (black or white) who has studied racism extensively will tell you, black people CANNOT be racist. Now it's for YOU to do YOUR research on this particular topic. Let me know your findings.... ignoranus (Yes, that's how I'm spelling it in your case!)
A person of average intelligence would be unimpressed, but as you seemed to be having such difficulty with it yourself I can't really say whether or not you should be impressed, that's up to you. I can give you a more elaborate opinion on what I think racism is but dictionary's are you best bet for objective definitions. You don't make a lot of sense but I'm taking that as you want me to give you an example of black people who believe they are racially superior. The New Black Panther Party.
@ezekielthemack youve yet to say why you think black people cant be racist, if its the old thing about powertionships then id recommend you research** the british class system.
@ezekielthemack Dude seriously, I myself have experienced more racism from Afro Caribbean people than from any other race - I'm classed as African Indian and find it very funny & shocking when I'm called a 'Paki' by your kind.. An example recently was we were in Nandos and waiting to be served at the counter, me and my friends (I have a diverse bunch and the majority of my close friends are from African or Afro Caribbean background) were just throwing some friendly banter at each other (Part1)
PART2 - What a pile nonsense you speak. Let me correct you: In your ORIGINAL assertion you gave the dictionary definition of racist, so it is for YOU to prove that how Diane can be racist, because in terms of the choronology of this discussion, that is what came first. So please tell me how you believe that Diane Abbott is a racist and I'll duly rebut you again by telling exactly why she cannot be racist. Stop moving the goal posts - it's not a good look.
Diane Abbot should never have apologised. When did this country apologise for stop and searching black men for no apparent reason. BLM
I always loved Mr Howe - honest, clever and interesting
Why invite someone on your show if you're not going to try and listen to what they have to say?
My wife is from Nigeria. She is a Research student and writer, and knows her own Country's History as well as anyone else. She KNOWS that all the Tribes had always taken and sold slaves, centuries before they has even seen a white face...White man offered a better price for slaves, simple as that.
Why is the news reporter interrupting Darcus's very valid statement, she looks nervous. Truth must've hit a raw nerve!
Jeremy Clarkson quoted an old nursery rhyme and didn't edit it enough, and apologised, and now nobody has forgiven him for clouting and shouting at his producer, just because of that.
Sunder says he loves twitter to bits. He would not if he got all the spam that I get!
Well they have forgiven him as he went on to bigger and better things...what price did he pay? He got a job straight after his last one.
i like to listen to an old black man talk, my history lies in their talk and i learn alot from Darkus! thank you
Diane Abbot wonderful women love her to bits!
She's a racist.
Dianne Abbott can't answer any question off-script.
Darcus Howe is a DON
Darcus is eloquent but he has always been wrong.
Well said I enjoyed the debates though, but you can't have those anymore.
Transfer Diane to a mainly white British constituency, and see how she does without ethnic support, i.e 99% of Hackney.
She got a safe seat. I'd love to see her go mouthy in the more rural, Tory constituency. Where there are no diversity moaners around to hide behind. She'd be laughed at. And ignored.
Rufus Chucklebutty are our politicians not meant to be representative of their constituents? Your argument is stupid.
Diane Abbot was right
Her comments like "whites divide and rule", "police will cost £30 or 30pence etc" she just keeps on making crap statements for no good reason. She does everyone, including many blacks a disservice.
who would have guessed that Darcus Howe would have sided with Diane Abbott? I didn't see that coming.
Darcus Howe accused my friends Mum of racism as far back as early 80s.
A brilliant white woman who blazed a trail within Labour for cross communities representation.
She was supposedly racist as she campaigned for a white MP in a constituency made up of 30% non white.
You couldn't make it up. She campaigned for a Labour MP to win. It was her job.
We can take this out of context and make a massive issue of it as much as we like. The hammer comes down for any little comment made by whites in the public eye. Equal rights is truly a wonderful thing. Darcus Howe feels lost without the systematic subjugation of blacks in society, he no longer has a role to play, but tries his hardest still.
"If one person say they started carnival, they LIE. Carnival is about the spontenaity of the people!" RIP Darcus Howe
I remember Lenny henry going to africa for comic relief (years ago) and being overwelmed because he felt like he was home and he had found where he belonged.With his own people
3;00 What has the Budget got to do with sending her Son to a Private school ?
Massive difference between the reaction to Diane Abbott's comment and Ken Livingston's. Ken has been suspended because just to mention the word Nazi in any relation to a debate on Israel is seen as Anti Semitic. How appropriate is it to mention 19th Century imperialism in relation to 21st Century race relations in the UK?
The cultural history of blacks and whites (and Jews) means that it is much more serious when the dominant group or non-group makes a racist or political remark.
So a Jew saying - 'stop behaving like a Nazi' is far less of an issue than when a non-Jew says it. And a black man saying 'white fool' is less serious than the other way around.
Thanks to history we are NOT all on a level playing field.
This report and the reaction to Abbott (who is very smug and annoying) ignores this very important social historical and political context completely.
That's why Ken had to go and Abbott doesn't.
Darcus Howe... For all I know, he may well be a cocoa-shunter
What's a cocoa shunter?
@@quotha An uphill gardener?
This argument should not have been about race. It should have been about having a level playing field.
its the white people that pay your wages
Darcus Howe, the same man who called Joan Rivers racist and got instantly called out by Joan on radio. He then pretended to not understand English. It's on youtube, check it ouy.
"My error was in context", is not admitting a mistake, it is an example of someone who's trying to mitigate the fact they did indeed make one. Very subtle and very foolish.
Go Darcus!
go darcus ? yea yea , its ok to talk bout white people or harm white people but as soon as anyone white say,s the word black , ther,s all hell let lose , what you gona do if a wee green alien lands and says i hate whites and blacks lol , if diane abbot and darcus where white they,d b sacked and never on tv again , answer 1 question 4 me ? wat do you think of a black leader for usa ????????
Agreed -----just go ---and don't come back
I have never ever heard a black or brown person called racist in the media. How about sharing some of that equality you guys seem to own
Slept her way to the top.
Sorry, wrong video. I was searching for Robert Elms.
If you'd care to notice the creams is merely held at the top by the majority at the bottom.
Why?
I think there are sadly a lot of racists MP'S in the Labour Party, I know that the Muslim Religion dominates in the Labour Party, Men and Women sit separate in Labour Muslim meetings.
spot on. you been to any or just read it in your ukip handout?
No doubt about it, the British Establishment likes to play divide and rule. This spat being an excellent case in point.
***** It also was the policy in Ireland, the Miners Strike, Iraq, India, Uganda etc etc.
Get them all to fight like rats in a sack, that way they destroy each other.
The Tories recently played Divide and Rule with Labour and the Scottish National Party. I mean why did Cameron call that referendum? It wasn't Salmond who called it, he was basically backed into a corner by Cameron.
But sure 'New' Labour will play the same game, given they are Red Tories.
An ethnically diverse working-class isn't really anything to do with socialism (East Germany, Czechoslovakia were hardly great examples of Multi-Culturalism) However, the old Left despises racism, so it won't stand by and watch ethnic minorities come under fire from the likes of Farage and Nick Griffin.
Rather, Lax or loose immigration controls is a Neo-Liberal standard - that straddles Liberal, Labour and the Tory Party. E.G. The noises Boris Johnson makes on immigration being good for London being little or no different to Tony Blair's position.
Of course Labour and Conservative will say they're getting tough on immigration - but they never can turn words in action. Meaning they are totally incompetent or secretly they think immigration is great for growth.
That's because they are all Neo Liberals who see immigration controls as just another barrier to free trade. The labour market being no different from any other market.
From their Neo Liberal POV If immigrants are willing to work harder than the indigenous working-class then why restrict them taking jobs.
You should see past mainstream politics and look at the economic theories informing Thatcher/ Blair/ Cameron etc.
Check out Milton Friedman's ideas on immigration. The leading economist behind the free market orthodoxy that's held sway for the last 30 years - i.e. privatization, deregulation, free trade, cutting taxes etc.
According to Friedman open-door immigration is great for productivity. With the caveat immigrants shouldn't be granted benefits. Basically Cameron is employing a watered down version of Friedman's laissez faire immigration policy at the moment.
***** If you bone up on Neo-Liberalism and Liberalism more generally you'll find its hardly a secret. Its nothing to do with social engineering, it just comes down to free-market ideology. Liberals have an aversion to statism or Big Government as they call it - so open immigration flows naturally from that position.
To conduct a truly strong anti-immigration policy for the 21st century, you'd have to pump billions into state coffers to pay border police, you'd have to crack down heavily on illegal employers; landlords. gang-masters, agencies etc. The state would expand far more than people realize - hence taxes increase to pay for big government. Or alternatively more aid would have to go to the developing world in order to improve their living conditions so they stop emigrating.
Just coming out of the EU wouldn't solve the problem. They'd still find a way to get in; Moreover there's non EU immigration from Africa and the Arab World.
So Tories (Neo-Liberals) New Labour (Liberals) UKIP ( Anti EU Neo-Liberals) are ideologically opposed to tight immigration controls on three main counts 1) restriction to free trade in Labour markets 2) enlargement of the state to police immigration 3) raising taxes to pay for border guards, civil servants etc.
In many ways its like the Liberal attitude to drugs - they make a show of getting tough but in reality they're ideologically okay with the drugs trade. If they just went ahead and legalized drugs of course they'd lose votes - so they make this token gesture of a few big swoops on major drug barons. Quite pathetic really considering you and me both know where all the dealers live.
As McMillan said - 'its important that things are seen to be done. Whether they get done is irrelevant'.
Brilliant comment.
Getting them off benefits onto zero hour contracts, that's what he means
I did admit that I made a mistake.
Dianne wasn't racist in the slightest. It sounds like political correctness to me.
Provide evidence that the black community are the lowest end of the social spectrum. I take it you've had a bad experience?
Some would say being stopped and searched 10 times in a week is also a bad experience. This is what happens on a regular basis to black people in London.
As for Stephen Lawrences family, they have been smeared by an organisation described by a judge as institutionally racist.
Things are not as clear cut as you describe.
I'm white.
If a white person had said what she said to a minority group they'd be universal calls calling for one to be sacked.
Ai Zhongguo - Had Stephen Lawrence been white, what would the upshot of that been? I'll guarantee, he would have long been forgotten and his murder swept under the carpet. And his mother wouldn't have been made a Baroness, either.
I am sick and tired of political correctness and moaning ethnics complaining. If you are so damned sensitive, relocate.
Scimitar Publishing there are in fact lots of examples of what you say.
And Charlene Downes.
As I never claimed Diane Abbott was racist I am not the one moving goal posts. If you would like to know how Diane CAN be racist then that is simple, she can be racist by expressing prejudice towards, discriminating against or antagonising people on racial grounds. I never said that she did these things, that is open to discussion, I merely countered your argument that she was INCAPABLE of racism, which is your assertion which you have yet to substantiate.
No, Dictionary's is a perfectly acceptable word, just not in the context in which I used it, making it a malapropism. For instance if I were to day "The dictionary's definition of..." meaning the definition belonging to the dictionary then that would be fine. I conceded my error and apolgised, why press the matter?
Can no one handle the truth anymore is abbot right by any chance
well maybe you didnt get the point,..his point is that Abot should never have apologised!...i wish the Queen of England apologised for slavery on an attire race when asked to apologised on behalf of the country,..she simply refused!!
Howe is correct, that someone makes a comment like this you have to consider the context. In Abbott's case, the context was clear.
The context is that she plays divide & rule to enable her own career as a race hustler to garner votes & get paid
He said it isn't logical to ask what if a white person had said it? lol I had no idea that the same double standards exist in the UK as they do here in the USA.
I wish Asians learn something from this man ..get up stand up for you're rights
The Asians I know are largely doing very well for themselves in UK. Indians Cantonese Korean etc..
Those not doing so well should speed more time working and less time moaning about not doing so well
The debate is about race. I agree with your other comments.
PART 1 - Your spelling is NOT fine which is prescisely why I had to correct it and please don't try and obfuscate the issue by using words like malaproprism; you misspelt the word end of story."dictionary's" is NOT a malapropism (i.e. used out of context), it is a misspelt word.
If it was a remark about 19th century colonialism, maybe she should have used the past tense.
Darkus does not hate white people, but he is just outspoken for the minority blacks and its unfortunate that you see that as hatred or hypocritical!
We were brought here to be their servents , they made a big mistake.
if there was an olympic sport for whom can play the racist card the most, then im sure darkus would swoop the gold medal every time
Darcus Howe sounds like he's been on the Jamaican Woodbines!
Just gone down hugely in my opinion. Darkus is a persona non grata and should not be allowed to spout his vitriol on air. As for Dianne Abbott, she is taking my money and the tax payers money to have a happy lifestyle and get her kid a privileged education. Get yourself out of Hackney and stand somewhere else, I dare you!
she meant it all right.
On the contrary, the big clue is the "my error WAS IN CONTEXT", which mitigates the error you very clearly made. We can play with semantics all day my friend, but you'll invariably lose. That said, now please address the issue as to how black people can be racist towards whites.
OK fine, here again is my answer. Black people can be racist towards white people or people of any ethnicity by showing prejudice towards, discriminating against or antagonising these people on racial grounds. If your reply to this post is anything other than astounding enough for me to surrender my egalitarian position then I will be unimpressed.
Diane should just quite politics and do something else
yes....she shud go and eat sum more dumplings...shes a fuckin disgrace
i do not know him much till i bumped into him on youtube few weeks ago,..so i can not say nothing about that now.
Can anyone actually show how black immigrants have contributed more than they have taken or troubles they have caused ? The negatives far outweigh the positives of having them here. It has bee a win for them and nothing for us
Have you not heard of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and colonialism? And after WW2 who helped to build up the country again, doing the crap jobs that the white British people did not want to do? It's 2024 and nothing's changed , the NHS and social care would collapse without immigrants. Educate yourself.
I am prepared to pretend you are correct if you will stop replying to posts relating to spelling, semantics, grammar and other things which I've stopped caring about. I did post a reply to this, it is the post which begins:
"As I never claimed Diane Abbott was racist I am not the one moving goal posts."
Portillo's mush says a thousands words.........
Please enlighten me with the shortcomings? Back up this comment as it lacks conviction without source, evidence & examples!
We have given them education, financial aid, jobs, cars, planes trains everything they have today, but yet coloured people still wants more and more.
Why don't you list what you stole?
@Coco-uk9tv you can have your two pointed sticks back at any time you want them , but you must return to Africa. Deal.
@@Coco-uk9tv sure thing. You can have your two pointed ended sticks. But you must go with them. A deal
@@welshwizardwales I can imagine what you look like 🤮.
How has she still got a job?
Darcus Howe at the end: I'm not racist, but black ministers should speak to black people and white ministers should speak to white people
No that's not a racist opinion at all. Its not like you're saying some ministers should do certain things because of the colour of their skin...oh wait...
Like to know what black and mixed raced views of Howe are. Any black people agree with Howe? Any disagree? Why?
I love her
All the blacks agree with her. No surprise there.
Germany didn't exist until the late 19th century! 1871 if you really wanna know ;) Denmark, around since the 700's was much larger back then and Saxony (now north-west Germany) was part of Denmark, Angles and Jutes were from modern day Denmark - so the English are Germanic Vikings, not Germans, in the same sense that all southern Scandinavians are 'Germanic'! Most non-white people would identify themselves as English, hardly any non-whites in Scot/Wales, English doesn't mean white! It's cultural
wow i cant beleive she hasn't been removed for racism, if this was someone who was white they would be. I suppose some people ar more equal than others.
Darcus Howe - Legend.
Leg, or bell?
+Andy “wiseone2473” Dicky More likely you are the racist, given your priorities.
nothing to say.......
lol
My spelling is fine, my error was in context. A Malapropism perhaps, I apologise. They can be reactionaries to White Racism and still be Racist. For instance the French resistance were reactionaries to German violence, that does not make them non-violent. Anyway you assertion is that Black people "Cannot" be racist, so it is not for me to provide examples of black people being racist (which I have done) but for you to prove that no black person can every be racist, which you have failed to do.
@DebbyInStKitts i think the problem is that terms like 'the black community' are usually followed by some sort of opinion, implying that all black people essentially share the same consciousnes, and are not individuals, its an odd kind of racism that isnt immediately racist.
if some1 said 'the white community' id be like which one? if some1 said 'white community leader' id say who appointed them.
im guessing this is why the woman in question didnt like the term.
Well yes that is exactly what it is. The words "My error" are the clue. I'm not mitigating anything, I made a mistake, I admit that it was a mistake. I am sorry, It was a mistake. It was also trivial and hardly worth the attention we have given it. If you want to discuss spelling, grammatical and contextual errors in posts then please find someone with a greater boredom threshold to argue with.
Saxons were from Germany! So many people get English & British mixed up. 99% don't have a clue what the difference is! When we say English, the general conscientious is white Fact. Most black or asian will say they are British. How many will say English? Hardly any, I assure you. You seem like a smart guy. Our common laws has been stolen. If you want to make noise about something then that is it. If anyone loves this country, they should fight for our common laws. We are divide so we all lose
@SuperXenomorph "Darcus Home appears a bit confused and does not appear to realise that a black person can be called racist" - WRONG. Black people cannot be racist and the fact that you haven't studied racism extensively as a concept speaks volumes. Go and get educated before coming on youtube making statements that you cannot qualify.
Darcus Cole.
I though you had gone away.
Dracus Howe = racist, Dianne Abbott = racist ....simples
@@simonegan3698 Are you talking to yourself again ? You should seek help.
just heard darcus died. I didn't agree with him most of the time.
Abbott = piece of shit. Howe = piece of shit. Argument over. Both sinister, racist, self-promoters, disguised (heavily) as intellectuals.
Yes, prejudice and racism are different, prejudice is to pre-judge. It is a blanket term. Racism can involve a kind of prejudice, that is to say a prejudice based upon race. If I pre-judge a gay person that is prejudice but not racism. If I pre-judge an Asian person then that prejudice and racism. You will also notice my statement does include antagonism and discrimination. For instance to assault someone based on race (Antagonism) or Idi Amin's treatment of Asians (discrimination).
Marcus was trying to defend the indefensible....he is saying is because she's one of a handfull of black women in politics she can think and say what she likes and be excused for it.he is very much mistaken...
I didn't have difficulty with anything, but you clearly have difficulty when it comes to spelling. The phrase is "DICTIONARIES are your best best". That said, if you can give me a more elaborate definition, then I suggest you give me one. As for the NBPP being racially superior, that's complete nonsense. The NBPP are not racists, they are REACTIONARIES to white racism. You need to do a lot better than that my friend. I'm waiting...
Then please, exercise some common sense. This is the first time that you made any reference to Socio-economic power so I don't think you can call it your original assertion. All you said before is that black people could not be racist, you never gave any reasoning. Now that you have I am disappointed, I've heard this same argument before and never considered it to have much merit. For me racism is a motive and power (whether economic, physical or whatever) is a means.
Amaribling you obviously don't know your history! How could anglo saxons kill off English people when english are anglo saxon decendants. The word England derives from the word angleland and angleland was a part of England the angles occupied.
She is a complete joke, but in the worst possible taste.....she brings nothing to politics but racism, but nobody dare say it. She is like a protected species.......come to think of it, the does have the look of a square-lipped rhino!!!!
The problem with her views is that black "communities" invariably show their anger more visibly, but they generally harm their own "communities", by smashing the place up, then complaining there is nothing there for them!!
As for the old black guy, I never really took notice of him when he was around....he was largely irrelevant, other than to stir up race hatred with his continual pessimism on relationships between whites and blacks.
Today, (29/1/19), I heard a debate about the disproportionate amount of black youths in detention........there is, after all the talk and discourse....one answer - they commit more crime. Do not tell me about disadvantaged upbringing.....white kids go to the same schools and suffer poverty. No - it is a cultural thing. Nothing more, nothing less. Somebody please be brave enough to say it.
That was not 48 hours ago as you claim. My memory is pretty good, but it only works with things which actually happen I'm afraid. Of course I was born stupid, I was a baby. I have however got more intelligent as time has progressed, this is perhaps not the same as your own personal experience. You claim that is what racism is. I disagree. Partly because your definition is far too narrow to matter even if it were true, party because consensus agrees with me but mostly because you are just wrong.
I genuinely sorry you did not mention socio-economic power at the beginning of this debate, I was hoping for some more original bullshit rather than generic bullshit which was dismissed as a meaningful theory around the time that I was born. I have researched your position, at best it is a exercise in self-deception for racists who are not prepared to admit to being racists and so redefine racism as a specific action which they do not engage in. Goodbye.
@DaveyWalshey Here's some homework for you DAAAAAAAAAAAVE. I want you to READ (yeah that word again) and research exactly why it is that black people, given their historical trajectory CANNOT be racist. Let me know your findings :-)
The plumber
Diane Could
@BritishAltruist "To re-iterate, black people cannot be racist" I know why black people cannot be racist because I've studied the concept of racism extensively. As anyone (black or white) who has studied racism extensively will tell you, black people CANNOT be racist. Now it's for YOU to do YOUR research on this particular topic. Let me know your findings.... ignoranus (Yes, that's how I'm spelling it in your case!)
I'm struggling with the burden of white privilege, thankfully Darcus is on hand to explain it to me...
THey go so nice on her?
A person of average intelligence would be unimpressed, but as you seemed to be having such difficulty with it yourself I can't really say whether or not you should be impressed, that's up to you. I can give you a more elaborate opinion on what I think racism is but dictionary's are you best bet for objective definitions. You don't make a lot of sense but I'm taking that as you want me to give you an example of black people who believe they are racially superior. The New Black Panther Party.
@ezekielthemack youve yet to say why you think black people cant be racist, if its the old thing about powertionships then id recommend you research** the british class system.
@ezekielthemack Dude seriously, I myself have experienced more racism from Afro Caribbean people than from any other race - I'm classed as African Indian and find it very funny & shocking when I'm called a 'Paki' by your kind.. An example recently was we were in Nandos and waiting to be served at the counter, me and my friends (I have a diverse bunch and the majority of my close friends are from African or Afro Caribbean background) were just throwing some friendly banter at each other (Part1)
PART2 - What a pile nonsense you speak. Let me correct you: In your ORIGINAL assertion you gave the dictionary definition of racist, so it is for YOU to prove that how Diane can be racist, because in terms of the choronology of this discussion, that is what came first. So please tell me how you believe that Diane Abbott is a racist and I'll duly rebut you again by telling exactly why she cannot be racist. Stop moving the goal posts - it's not a good look.